Attack in Berlin

Apparently they've found a ID belonging to a 21 year old Tunisian in the truck and now he is the prime suspect.
 
Azuremen
Because it so simple to run a background check on a person fleeing a country whose government is collapsing? Immigration checks are time consuming when the countries involved aren't in anarchy, and basically impossible when they are. So how exactly are they suppose to make that work?

And I've noticed the view in Europe is more "assimilate" into our culture rather than a fusion. The French seem particularly focused on this and it just seems a bit weird as an American. We've had huge amounts of immigration since the start of the country and there has certainly been a fusion of cultures over time, albeit regional as result of the countries size. So is it just a history thing, with the various European countries and culture having deeper roots?

As for the Christianity vs Islam thing, I'm not even sure where to start on that rambling of rhetorical questions.
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I agree cultures should be sustained, but the thing is we actually do the part you think are far too time consuming, which is why we have a problem where people try to circumvent said time consuming process. Thus being illegal in nature.
 
Vinylshark
I think the only party who really would put a stop to this whole immigration mess (closing borders, etc) would be the AFD as the biggest right-winged one, but unless they somehow get more than 50% of the votes they won't do anything at all, since none other party would join a coalition with them.
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Look at how the Dutch people will vote for the PVV of Wilders in March (projected 40% already), and who knows German people might be inspired and find the will to do the same.
 
Dennisch
Apparently they've found a ID belonging to a 21 year old Tunisian in the truck and now he is the prime suspect.
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21 years old? Bloody hell, that's young.

Unfortunately I feel like we're getting to the point where nothing can really be done to prevent this. Any sharp reaction from the western world would simply inspire nutjobs who want any excuse to cause chaos and give more fuel to the division between cultures. What's worse, typical bomb-based attacks aren't the choice of these imbeciles these days - simple transport devices can be just as deadly, if not more so, and easier obtained with little to no risk in doing so.

Worth considering, why wouldn't ISIS claim responsibility? It generates fear and unrest even if it wasn't actually them who carried out the attack. Claiming responsibility means literally zero until previous history with the group can be confirmed (if that's even possible).
 
Brend
21 years old? Bloody hell, that's young.

Unfortunately I feel like we're getting to the point where nothing can really be done to prevent this. Any sharp reaction from the western world would simply inspire nutjobs who want any excuse to cause chaos and give more fuel to the division between cultures. What's worse, typical bomb-based attacks aren't the choice of these imbeciles these days - simple transport devices can be just as deadly, if not more so, and easier obtained with little to no risk in doing so.

Worth considering, why wouldn't ISIS claim responsibility? generates fear and unrest even if it wasn't actually them who carried out the attack. Claiming responsibility means literally zero until previous history with the group can be confirmed (if that's even possible).
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The Pattern of when IS gets huge defeats that they do domestic terrorism is looking like their strategy though, all the big attacks that have happened in the last few years have came after devastating losses for them in the Middle east.
 
Every month there are terror attacks foiled on European soil by our intelligence services. There would be attacks every week if it wasn't for them so that goes to show how great the problem actually is. They cannot catch them all and with the added problem of this huge influx of immigrants it makes things even harder for them.

I fear we won't see the new year without another slaughter in the name of Allah.
 
Azuremen
It wasn't too long ago that Western culture put women very clearly below men. Of course, it still does but not to the same extent you see in some Islamic states, but that is besides the point. The point is your sense of cultural superiority is removed from the reality of relatively recent history and even the current situations in Western countries.
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Yes! I'm extremely happy the west has evolved out of its misogynistic and fanatic religious dark era, that was one extremely important step towards the modern, progressive society we enjoy living in right now. But now you suggest to adapt to certain cultures which have a value system and laws very similar to that we have thankfully evolved out of? That kind of regression would be absolutely devastating. Adapting to a weaker culture weakens society as a whole.

I have no problems saying the unpopular and politically incorrect truth: yes, the Islamic culture is vastly inferior to the western culture in most areas, at least today. The Middle east was once the center of progress, commerce, astronomy, medical knowledge, mathematics, but like all high cultures they have experienced a rise and fall, very sadly. Thats the way the world works.
 
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Yes! I'm extremely happy the west has evolved out of its misogynistic and fanatic religious dark era, that was one extremely important step towards the modern, progressive society we enjoy living in right now. But now you suggest to adapt to certain cultures which have a value system and laws very similar to that we have thankfully evolved out of? That kind of regression would be absolutely devastating.
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Radical Islam (or pure Islam), will never want a reform of their religion. According to them the truth of god and the laws one needs to abide to were written down 1300 years ago (so go figure), and it is not to be altered by any means.

Basically people that want to abide by that belief system 100% are stuck in the year 700, and they will forever see the West as something dishonorable and despicable just because we are in violation of all their backward laws.
 
mister dog
Ah look, they are protecting the privacy of the new suspect:



:rolleyes:
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Which is reasonable. A person is innocent until proven to be otherwise. Germany, being a civilised country, respects privacy - unlike the so called civilised country I live in where the daily fail can do what was posted directly above your post.
 
Tired Tyres
Which is reasonable. A person is innocent until proven to be otherwise. Germany, being a civilised country, respects privacy - unlike the so called civilised country I live in where the daily fail can do what was posted directly above your post.
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Don't you think it is now of utmost importance that the public can identify this man? I mean more important than being 'correct' again?
 
mister dog
Don't you think it is now of utmost importance that the public can identify this man? I mean more important than being 'correct' again?
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Don't you think it's likely that EVERY young Muslim man is not already under suspicion by the public now? It is up to the security services to find him.
 
mister dog
What kind of an argument is that now? They are looking for one particular suspect, not every young Muslim man...
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Oh come off it mate. You understand human nature as well as anyone else. He's a Suspect. What was that I posted before? Innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
 
Tired Tyres
Oh come off it mate. You understand human nature as well as anyone else. He's a Suspect. What was that I posted before? Innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
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Yeah and he'll stay innocent until proven otherwise, but seeing he 'might be' a an armed terrorist on the loose, it would be beneficial if the German public was allowed to see his bloody eyes.
 
Azuremen
It wasn't too long ago that Western culture put women very clearly below men. Of course, it still does but not to the same extent you see in some Islamic states, but that is besides the point.
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Bollocks. I'd like to see some sources that Western culture very clearly puts women below men.
 
Tired Tyres
Oh come off it mate. You understand human nature as well as anyone else. He's a Suspect. What was that I posted before? Innocent until PROVEN otherwise.
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Sadly, we are living in different times - and the nature of the threat posed by someone who has already committed mass murder, is armed, and who is possibly prepared to die rather than face justice means that the old-fashioned approach doesn't really apply. As has been seen already in Belgium, jihadists who are facing imminent arrest are a very serious threat to innocent life, and so it is reasonable to waive the usual formalities and make people aware of who the suspect is in a case specifically like this. In fact, there would be serious questions about why the police didn't raise the alarm in this case if they had credible information about the likely suspect.
 
mustafur
Like?
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Like the fact that in the UK, which is unless i'm mistaken part of 'Western Culture', the average wage for women is 9.5% lower than it is for men. And that's taking into account the fact that a higher percentage of high paid jobs are taken by men and a higher percentage of low-wage jobs are taken by women and also that women are more likely to work part-time.
 
TheCracker
Of course it is.
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No, it isn't.

The suspect, uncensored, courtesy of the Daily Mail:
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TheCracker
Like the fact that in the UK, which is unless i'm mistaken part of 'Western Culture', the average wage for women is 9.5% lower than it is for men. And that's taking into account the fact that a higher percentage of high paid jobs are taken by men and a higher percentage of low-wage jobs are taken by women and also that women are more likely to work part-time.
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As has been said already, though, there are economic, historic and sociological reasons that explain why there is (still) a difference in pay between men and women in the UK, but equal pay, rights, opportunities etc. has been part of UK law since the 1970s. Arguably, despite the actual difference in pay that still exists between men and women, I'd say that the 'culture' was very much in favour of equal pay for equal work, and has been for many, many years in the UK.
 
TheCracker
Like the fact that in the UK, which is unless i'm mistaken part of 'Western Culture', the average wage for women is 9.5% lower than it is for men. And that's taking into account the fact that a higher percentage of high paid jobs are taken by men and a higher percentage of low-wage jobs are taken by women and also that women are more likely to work part-time.
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Does it take into fact of experience? and show me a study that includes the time spent working between the two, the link you provided didn't do that.

It also generalised industries without breaking it down, including industries which have alot of Sales work involved but doesn't cite the figures if Men do more high paying commission jobs then say clerical jobs which women might dominate in that don't pay as well.

Also if we look at it in a whole there is still going to be a massive wage gap when women take up such a small percentage of high paying ''danger'' jobs.
 
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Touring Mars
Sadly, we are living in different times - and the nature of the threat posed by someone who has already committed mass murder, is armed, and who is possibly prepared to die rather than face justice means that the old-fashioned approach doesn't really apply. As has been seen already in Belgium, jihadists who are facing imminent arrest are a very serious threat to innocent life, and so it is reasonable to waive the usual formalities and make people aware of who the suspect is in a case specifically like this. In fact, there would be serious questions about why the police didn't raise the alarm in this case if they had credible information about the likely suspect.
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The Police searched for him nonpublicly since Tuesday i guess, after news broke the search is now public. I guess there are reasons why law enforcement doesn't want to involve the public, like when an swift arrest might be possible and might be spoiled by public news -- so the public search indicates they aren't on to something concrete right now.
German police is sensitive to public involvement owing to incidents such as the 1972 Munich massacre (real time news spoiled every police strategy) and the news involvement in the Gladbeck hostage crisis.
 

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