Aussies/Kiwis : Monday Night Racing

[TiZzla]

haha im a simple kind of guy

But seriously, if we are going to do a championship it should just involve MNR. and keep SAR as a a practice day

And joe made a good point, but its unavoidable. If we wait at the start everyone has to move out of they way of people at the start and its all messy as people can jump the start etc etc

So basically, as official GTP events state - Contact with outside players are sometimes unavoidable, so should be considered an unavoidable part of the game

Ive just had another thought, the whole championship will be flawed by our starting positions........... huge disadvantage to those that start at the back of the grid....

hmmmmmmmmm, maybe we should just wait until private rooms guys.

Id hate to see MNR go down in flames

 

[supersonic-88]

You'll have to forgive me, mate, if I'm doing a crappy job of explaining the idea. In the example I actually tried to show that, even though I raced two days and you only one, that you still beat me easily. Only the red numbers count i.e. the highest finish in each of the five races (I forgot to colour Your BEST total = 37 pts in red, which may have added to the confusion).

Even if I won every race at SAR and MNR, I could still only get 50 pts.

If I win every SAR race, and come second in every MNR race, I still only get 50 pts.

For sure, there is an advantage in racing both days - you get two cracks at getting a high finish... but only one, the higher one, counts

Nah mate you're explaining it right, I was just getting confused I edited my post to remove that bit I wrote, as afterwards I rechecked your post and understood it fully 👍 Happy with it now

Yeah... they kinda are... it's easy to get carried away... maybe Sonic & I have a little. I think we'd ALL like to get by with just a "Gentlemen's Agreement", where racers are individually responsible for the legitimacy of the racing. If Sonic is happy to, I would willing trial the event without penalties, and see if we can achieve the standard of racing we're after simply by appealing to racers' senses of fair-play. If it doesn't work out, we could maybe go back to trying to impliment a (more) simple penalty system 👍

More than happy to tone it down completely 👍 Then like you say, if its needed, we can bring some more rules in.

But seriously, if we are going to do a championship it should just involve MNR. and keep SAR as a a practice day.

It'd be easier this way yes but then we have the problem of people who can't do mondays.

If we wait at the start everyone has to move out of they way of people at the start and its all messy as people can jump the start etc etc

Yeah, 10-12 guys all trying to re-grid in 20 seconds wouldn't work I think. Doing the rolling start rule would probably be easier in that circumstance.

Ive just had another thought, the whole championship will be flawed by our starting positions........... huge disadvantage to those that start at the back of the grid....

hmmmmmmmmm, maybe we should just wait until private rooms guys.

Id hate to see MNR go down in flames

Thought about this and yes its flawed as we can't qualify. It especially benefits guys who hosts & as much as the game tries to say its randomish grids, often it isn't. I've had many MNR's were the majority of the time I've started in the bottom third of drivers, as have others. Its just something we have to live with though because until we get the full game, there's nothing we can do about it

 

[crazyhorse]

If no Euro-guys are interested, or SAR has a continually poor turn-out, or score-mixing doesn't work for any other reason, we'll probably shift to just scoring MNR... but I would like to try it out. It is really, when all is said and done, still just for fun, and for my money, the more good people who are given the opportunity to participate the better

As far as avoiding people we'd rather not race with, perhaps if we are diligent in making sure everyone we DO want on-track is invited to the Chat Room, we can adjust the start time by 30 secs or a minute or whatever, and the numpties won't have a clue.

Grid positions... yeah... it is a pain. Not enough to spoil my fun though, especially with us running 10-lappers. If it really is a concern, people who fancy a run from pole can just drop their power by 1% or add weight, and go in at 649 or 749 PP - they'll storm up the grid

 

[TiZzla]

hmmmmm, its still never going to be fair. And the thing is, people that aren't entering every week might think "oh, i dont want to get in their way as im not in the running for the championship" and they wont show up.

MNR has a perfect balance of relaxed fun racing and hardcore competitiveness at the front.

The online racing just isn't up to standard of running a fair championship. Every week people get taken out by punters, or we take eachother out.

I hate to be Mr negative, but just being honest.

 

[crazyhorse]

Everything you say is true, TiZ, it certainly isn't an ideal way to run a championship...

...but that said, my appraoch to SAR/MNR isn't going to change just because there are a few points at stake. There's absolutely no reason why MNR's "...perfect balance of relaxed fun racing and hardcore competitiveness at the front" can't be maintained.

People regularly post screeshots of olr finishing positions... all we are doing is adding points. In the process, and by the use of two tiers, we will also hopefully add a little competitiveness for those who aren't at the front.

Really, points are just going to be there as a way to generate a little continuity from week to week, a sort of story arc, and maybe a chance for a little (good natured) schmak. Any racers who value a few crappy points over kudos, or target points at expense of someone else's enjoyment, quite frankly, will find themselves in a series they don't enjoy - I'll make damn sure of that!

I don't feel that you are being negative... we can all see where you are coming from... but at the end of the day we won't know what works and what doesn't until we trial it

 

[supersonic-88]

I don't know what to think lol! On one hand I agree with tizz in that how the game is now, it really isnt suited to running championships & all that. On the other hand though, its something that I wish we could do.

On the tiers, again its a good idea but perhaps we should hold off on it until the full game. It would probably get complicated and having made a modified version of the template with that stuff removed, it all seems much easier to understand & would take less work. Really at the end of the day we always get good numbers regardless. Sure some people might drop off because they believe they're uncompetitive but then you have new guys taking their spot.

Im happy either way. Whether we just keep running the same old way until the full game is released or if we trial run this championship for a month, everybody just in 1 group, points given 1st-5th, take your best result from each race if you run on both SAR & MNR.

 

[crazyhorse]

...if we trial run this championship for a month, everybody just in 1 group, points given 1st-5th, take your best result from each race if you run on both SAR & MNR.

OK... I say let's give this (your quote) a crack! No special announcements, no new guidelines, etc. Just introduce the points system and post the car/track line-up...

If people are interested in the points situation, they can check the tabled results - if they aren't interested, they can ignore the results. The points are just for fun.

Any on-track tomfoolery can be dealt with as we would have done prior to our scheming 👍

 

[crazyhorse]

After considerable debate, and valuable contributions from various racers (can't thank them enough for the generosity, both of spirit and time), Keith's (Rypien's) baby is evolving a little.

Car & Track combinations will be locked in for a period of time, and points (see below) will now be awarded to (SAR & MNR) racers finishing in the top 10 places.

Racers may run both days (Sunday & following Monday), or one of either, but will only be credited with their best finish in a particular combo for that week.

Points will be awarded as follows:

1st = 25 pts, 2nd = 20 pts, 3rd = 15 pts, 4th = 10 pts, 5th = 7 pts, 6th = 5 pts, 7th = 4 pts, 8th = 3 pts, 9th = 2 pts, and 10th = 1 point

The ethos of SAR & MNR remains the same - it's still about fun! The points are there to add fun! All the fundamentals of Gentlemen's OLR apply. Anyone driving with their head up their ass, for the sake of a point or two, will soon find that my foot follows their head... so play nice, fellas, please.

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SAR Dates: 14th, 21st, 28th June, 5th July
SAR Times: 3:01 pm (GMT +10) -- Synchronised Start Times - 3:01 / 3:31 / 4.01 / 4:31 / 5:01 pm (AET)

MNR Dates: 15th, 22nd, 29th June, 6th July
MNR Times: 8:01 pm (GMT +10) -- Synchronised Start Times - 8:01 / 8:31 / 9.01 / 9:31 / 10:01 pm (AET)

Race 1 @ 3:01/8:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Lancer Evo IX / Tuned
Track - Suzuka Circuit (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.
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Race 2 @ 3:31/8:31 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Dodge Viper SRT10 / Tuned
Track - Suzuka Circuit (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.
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Race 3 @ 4:01/9:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Gran Turismo 350Z RS
Track - Fuji Speedway F (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 650PP.
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Race 4 @ 4:31/9:31 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Ferrari F40 '92
Track - Fuji Speedway F (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 650PP.
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Race 5 @ 5:01/10:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - BNR 34 GT-R '06
Track - Suzuka (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.

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Thread mirrored here at the TORC: SAR & MNR

 

[crazyhorse]

Changed the number of points paying positions to compensate for loss of tier-two... hope no one minds too much

To everyone who contributed, and in particular, to Sonic (who worked back-channel, in addition to his monster efforts in this thread), a sincere thank you! Despite it's obvious flaws, I'm as excited about SAR & MNR as I've been for a while

See you fellas on-track... 👍

 

[supersonic-88]

After considerable debate, and valuable contributions from various racers (can't thank them enough for the generosity, both of spirit and time), Keith's (Rypien's) baby is evolving a little.

Car & Track combinations will be locked in for a period of time, and points (see below) will now be awarded to (SAR & MNR) racers finishing in the top 10 places.

Racers may run both days (Sunday & following Monday), or one of either, but will only be credited with their best finish in a particular combo for that week.

Points will be awarded as follows:

1st = 25 pts, 2nd = 20 pts, 3rd = 15 pts, 4th = 10 pts, 5th = 7 pts, 6th = 5 pts, 7th = 4 pts, 8th = 3 pts, 9th = 2 pts, and 10th = 1 point

The ethos of SAR & MNR remains the same - it's still about fun! The points are there to add fun! All the fundamentals of Gentlemen's OLR apply. Anyone driving with their head up their ass, for the sake of a point or two, will soon find that my foot follows their head... so play nice, fellas, please.

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SAR Dates: 14th, 21st, 28th June, 5th July
SAR Times: 3:01 pm (GMT +10) -- Synchronised Start Times - 3:01 / 3:31 / 4.01 / 4:31 / 5:01 pm (AET)

MNR Dates: 15th, 22nd, 29th June, 6th July
MNR Times: 8:01 pm (GMT +10) -- Synchronised Start Times - 8:01 / 8:31 / 9.01 / 9:31 / 10:01 pm (AET)

Race 1 @ 3:01/8:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Lancer Evo IX / Tuned
Track - Suzuka Circuit (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.
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Race 2 @ 3:31/8:31 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Dodge Viper SRT10 / Tuned
Track - Suzuka Circuit (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.
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Race 3 @ 4:01/9:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Gran Turismo 350Z RS
Track - Fuji Speedway F (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 650PP.
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Race 4 @ 4:31/9:31 pm (GMT +10)
Car - Ferrari F40 '92
Track - Fuji Speedway F (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 650PP.
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Race 5 @ 5:01/10:01 pm (GMT +10)
Car - BNR 34 GT-R '06
Track - Suzuka (10 Laps)
Comments - No control tyre(s). All 'Quick Tune' options are adjustable to 750PP.

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Thread mirrored here at the TORC: SAR & MNR

Nice 👍

So I guess everybody just write down your results and then post your final one's here to be tallied. Would be good if somebody could take a picture of the results each race, if that helps

 

[GTP_joeninety]

I'm not completely sure what "Schmak" means but i think we can take them Tizz!

 

[Animera]

I'm going to start participating in the Sunday afternoon racing. Its much more of a suitable time for me.

 

[Animera]

Sorry for the double post but it is 2 days later. This will be my first SAR, so what is meant by 'No control tyres'?

 

[supersonic-88]

Sorry for the double post but it is 2 days later. This will be my first SAR, so what is meant by 'No control tyres'?

You can use any tyres you want 👍

I won't make SAR this week. Too busy watching Le Mans

 

[Animera]

Thanks supersonic 👍

 

[Nicko]

I will try and make SAR today also. This will be my debut week!

 

[renzo42]

hi there, any chance a newbie like me can join in on this? sounds fun

 

[supersonic-88]

hi there, any chance a newbie like me can join in on this? sounds fun

Of course Have fun!

 

[Paulie]

I'll have to quickly try and make an F40 and get to the 16:31 time. I've never been to SAR either. I'll just check that Le Mans isn't back on One HD yet.👍

 

[Nicko]

Thanks to all the guys who participated in SAR. 👍 I really enjoyed it and there was some really good racing happening.

 

[Paulie]

I must admit, I'm a little disappointed, but I guess I just caught a bad race to judge by. My first race this arvo, the F40 @ Fuji, I dominated start to finish, and additionally heard reports of Animera being bumped off by 2 other SAR racers. No competition and over aggressive driving? Yeah, not a brilliant race, but like I said, I must've gotten a bad race to judge it by. Also, my F40 is a classic tune carried over from an old Suz 650 event, absolutely everything worked and worked perfectly, except the Final Drive which needed massive lengthening. I'll go edit it in my F40 tune sheet soon.

Oh, and then by mistake I missed the last race in the Blitz, but I don't like the Blitz anyway, so I probably didn't miss out on much.

 

[supersonic-88]

Oh, and then by mistake I missed the last race in the Blitz, but I don't like the Blitz anyway, so I probably didn't miss out on much.

I thought there isn't a blitz. Race 5 lists the BNR 34 GT-R '06. That's a different car isn't it? It's the Mine's GT-R or have I gotten confused?

 

[Mad94d]

You're right Supersonic. The BNR34 is the Mines.👍

 

[TiZzla]

well sounds like SAR was a disaster, turning people away......

I warned you

 

[Paulie]

well sounds like SAR was a disaster, turning people away......

I warned you

Did you? Where?

 

[TiZzla]

look in the previous pages of the thread. Im only kidding though im sure MNR will be good as usual 👍

 

[GTP_joeninety]

@Paulie - excuse us for being mere mortals !

Hope i can offer more resistance next time.

 

[crazyhorse]

Right, Joe... just think how disappointed he'd have been if he'd gotten his ass kicked.

If racers want to post here, or pm me there finishing spots (you can ignore randoms, or people who drove the wrong car).

My finishes...

R1 = DNS
R2 = DNS
R3 = DNS
R4 = 2nd (behind Paulie & just ahead of Toivonen)
R5 = 1st (GTP_Toivonen crossed first, but he was in the Blitz)

 

[TiZzla]

Yea, i was thinking do you want me to take photos of the final standings? or are you writing them down or something

 

[crazyhorse]

Yea, i was thinking do you want me to take photos of the final standings? or are you writing them down or something

If you could, TiZ, that would be ace 👍... coz, for a start, I won't be there for 4 & 5.

Don't know if pictures were taken yesterday, but people should know where they placed... hopefully