Aussies/Kiwis : Monday Night Racing

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Fellas... I'll be able to photo the finishes for races 1-3 tonight, but won't be there for 4 & 5.

If someone is able to take a piccy of the results for those two races, that'd be awesome (post here, or pm to me - either works).

Failing that, could each driver please make a note of their finishing positions (discounting non-MNRers), and post those here.

Cheers, and see you on-track 👍
 
Ill try and take the pics if I remember :)

Hoping for a win or 2 tonight. Gonna use a different setup for both the viper & F40 which should help.

See you guys tonight 👍
 
Will also try and get some pictures.

Was wondering about the "non MNRers" if these drivers are taking the top spots are we marking down where we finish in relation to the lap board or listed MNRers?.

sorry if this has been answered before....

Lets get it on!!
 
The points are in relation to SAR/MNR drivers, disregard all other drivers. So say you finish 2nd in a race & 1st was a non SAR/MNR driver, then you came 1st and get full points.
 
Race 1: Had an ok start, was up to around 2nd, behind joe, when we arrived at the chicane. Dunno what happened but dropped a wheel onto the grass trying to give everybody some more room which resulted in myself spinning off and losing ground to joe and crazy. Then when I came around turn 1 the next lap lion-face had spun off and I had no where to go so we collided. We both got back on & raced each other for a while, I went too deep into the chicane again a few laps later but got back on. Hunted down crazy and was able to make the pass and take second.

Race 2: LAG. Everywhere. Cars were all the over the place, darting from left to right and it was impossible to race. Was driving along with lion-face at 3/4 pace for a few laps while a random did everything he could to stop, block and prevent him from passing. Lion-face went wide in a corner and I went to pass him, there was no contact, we weren't even close yet he went flying off the road thanks to the lag. Stopped and let him back in front which then let dodo into our 'battle'. On one lap at degner there was a massive lag concertina where all 3 of us ran into the back of each other, I got a penalty, not sure about the others. This let lion-face i think go off and pull a gap while dodo and I battled. On lap 8 I think it was, I went slightly wide into T1, I could see him in my mirror but thought he knew I had to turn in or else I was going to go off. I turned in, there was contact, it sent me onto the grass and I half spun, then when I got back on, having no traction I spun again at the next corner. He didn't stop and wait but perhaps it was my fault in that scenario? Gave up and putted home to finish 4th or 5th.

Race 3: Ok start. At turn 2 lion-face came to an almost complete stop on my screen so I ran into the back of him sending him flying off. Waited and let him get back on track, then drove around for a while, was frustrated with things so didn't really give this race my all. Ended up battling a bit with joe and finished 3rd.

Race 4: Only myself and ED5TA_155 turned up for this race. Nothing to write about. Came 1st, boring race.

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Race 5: Again only ED5TA_155 & I for the final race. Bit of lag again and dumb drivers. Was up to second heading into degner when a guy in a red 599 hit me off ruining my race there and then. Had fallen behind too far already to have any shot at winning. Was taken out again later by another driver but pushed on and tried to catch ED5TA_155. Was very slowly making inroads but then on lap 8 went off at degner and that was that. Drove around at half pace until the end making a few more mistakes along the way. Finished 2nd.

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So finishes were:
2
4
3
1
2

I posted in the chat room at the time that race 2 shouldn't be counted. Im sure people would of thought that's sour grapes, especially since I probably came last out of the SAR/MNR in that one but just wanted to say it wasn't.

If SAR/MNR was still in its original form where there were no points on offer and nothing is on the line, then a laggy race doesn't matter. Similarly, if it were a single car lagging, then same outcome. But when you're having a championship, with points & want close, fun, competitive racing, how are you meant to do that with extreme lag? People posted, 'its the same for everybody' but that's the point! How is it fair on any of us, to race in those conditions where its a lottery? For 75% of that race the guys I was 'racing' with, we were all driving between half to 3/4 pace just to avoid collisions. Even then, there were lag crashes and racing was almost impossible.

Again I want to stress its not sour grapes. Tizzla was really missed tonight. He's gone missing since his showdown with one of the mods in another thread and if he doesn't come back or someone with a great connection doesn't replaces him, then a championship format is most likely doomed & it should just revert back to how it was. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the aspect of what we've come up with but without a good host like tizz, some/most of the races, particular the suzuka ones will be lag feasts, where the winner/top positions won't be decided on speed or skill but on whether they can avoid cars in the opening lap to make a gap & avoid the lag, while other drives get taken out.

I don't have a solution, the only thing I can think of is in the future perhaps have a vote, ask the drivers was race x lagging so much that you were unable to compete to your potential and race others around you. If the majority say yes, then everybody gets say 5/10 points for that race regardless of finishing positions or something like that.

Hopefully it'll be different next week & what I'm rambling on about won't be a problem :)

Cheers 👍
 
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Enjoyed MNR tonight, esp. a phenomenal battle with ED5TA... Ed shadowed me for most of the race, occasionally hitting the front, but it was close the whole way. Didn't touch me once, though he was quicker through the twisties... a brilliant drive mate... big props 👍

As I understand it, ED5TA & sonic were racing by themselves in races 4 & 5. Was there another heat, with other MNRers running together? I know there was at least one other occasion where joeninety got connected to another race! We need a points solution for this sort off situation... something simple... but it does require some thought.

Clearly, giving full-points opens us up to connection-sandbaggin'... I wait an extra 30 secs to connect, a lookie-here, I'm the only MNRer... max pts for me! Clearly joeninety didn't do this, but we need to look at this.

There was a solution posted by lion-face, but it relies on everyone recording their total race time (by photo, preferably), and divvying out split-race points according to total race time, but this is perhaps not possible for everyone (access to camera issues).

Thoughts, fellas... :)

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Pics for SAR, and MNR races 1-3 now in album (see sig below) - check out margin on the line in the MNR 350Z (just a bumper sticker it it) :crazy:

EDIT - following sonic's post... so there are two things to discuss, gents (thanks for the pics sonic) 👍
 
No worries crazy. Sorry about the camera flash. Forgot that it was on & then when I took the pictures with it off, it was all blurry.

On lion-face's idea, its good but wouldn't it open up certain problems such as say joe & I miss the main race while you and all the other guys get in. In my race there's 2 other drivers, both of whom are super slow so joe wins, I come second, we both set a fast overall race time. Meanwhile, in the main race, there's some collisions, punters and slowish racing, you win but your overall time is 5-10 seconds slower than mine.

So under that system if I've understood it right, joe would win, I'd come second, you'd come third and so on. Point being, its a massive advantage to both joe & I because our race there was no competition and we could cruise to a good overall time, while you had to battle your heart out, came 1st and was wrapped with that, only to find out later on, oh you've come third because your race was the one with all the cars and punters. Same could go for the opposite way was all.

Maybe some tweaking is needed?
 
myself and joeninety had problems connecting to the F40 race, joe couldnt even get the connection started, and the game dropped me when it loaded in with one other racer after failing to connect the first couple of times. Joe called it a night and so did i, supersonic wasnt talking in the chat so i figured he had gone unfortunately. If i had known you guys were still game i would have jumped in for race5.

Race1, tried to keep up with everyone, but lack of any practice in the car made me a mobile chicane. Keep it on the black stuff mostly. Had a good battle for 3rd, which was about to become a 3 way battle for 2nd when the two cars in front of me had an off, i slid through but think bumped supersonic on the way, let him back ahead, but to generous and lost any chance of holding a slipstream. The slipstream was what was keeping me in touch as i wasnt fast in that car. Finished 4th.

Race2 Supersonc, after that 3 car shunt at the Degners, i thought it was my fault for hitting Dodo first, and then causing you to run into me second, i pulled up behind you under the bridge and we both waited for Dodo to go back past. I then past both of you between 130R and Casio Triangle, which you drafted me down the front straight, i was then hit by Dodo going into turn 2, he didnt stop and you two carried on. It wasnt until you dropped off the circtuit on lap9 that Dodo slowed down and i had my place back. Finished 2nd.

Race3 Supersonic, i wondered why i was nailed so hard lol i was braking about right for the guys in front of me, i must have lagged and you slammed me. All good though My setup was dodgy as for that track, need to adjust the gears alot i feel. Finished 4th (i believe out of the MNRs) 6th overall.

Race4 & 5, explained. Gutted though, i love the F40.

And yes it does suck when Lag happens, but as i said we were all in it together. If we wernt to count races when that happens, what about races like the F40 where me and joe were having connection difficulty? Half the field couldnt join, do we not count that race? Thats abit unfair on you guys that did connect and race. I'm gutted for missing out on the points, but thats just my bad luck for the night, i dont see why you guys should be punished...

Anywho, as for mismatched racers.....
I think the 'main race', being the one where the majority of the MNR Runners end up racing, gets Full points for their positions. Anyone unlucky enough not to run in the 'main race' (gets in another race with various drivers/less MNR Runners) will have to compare overall race times, and is awarded half points for that racers 'theoretical' position.

For example, a lone racer in another race ends up with a time that would have put him in 3rd position in the 'main race', then that racer ends up with half points for 3rd spot. The racer who got 3rd in the 'main race' retains that position, as do any cars in the following positions.

Sure it sux, but thats GT5P and its racing setup as it stands. And its better to give some points than no points, or stripping away points from other gamers who go into the event. It will also give people a chance who didnt connect or turned up a minute or two late to race 'at the same time' and still attain points for their efforts.

Just my idea, opinoins?
 
myself and joeninety had problems connecting to the F40 race, joe couldnt even get the connection started, and the game dropped me when it loaded in with one other racer after failing to connect the first couple of times. Joe called it a night and so did i, supersonic wasnt talking in the chat so i figured he had gone unfortunately. If i had known you guys were still game i would have jumped in for race5.

Sorry wasn't talking, was annoyed at my driving & lag ruining races. However at least from my screen, both you and joe joined way too late for race 4. I joined at 9:30:58 (AUS Time), it was already doing the matchmaking while you & joe were still chatting away with no 'in' or 'joining' comments. It wasn't until the grid loading sheet on my race came up that both of you said those things, so to me it looked like you both missed the time to join by quite a bit, then there was nobody else around to connect you to a race :confused: I even thought at the time, what's going on, why are you guys still chatting & not joining the race?

Race2 Supersonc, after that 3 car shunt at the Degners, i thought it was my fault for hitting Dodo first, and then causing you to run into me second, i pulled up behind you under the bridge and we both waited for Dodo to go back past. I then past both of you between 130R and Casio Triangle, which you drafted me down the front straight, i was then hit by Dodo going into turn 2, he didnt stop and you two carried on. It wasnt until you dropped off the circtuit on lap9 that Dodo slowed down and i had my place back. Finished 2nd.

That's right, I couldn't remember what happened because all I thought of was driving with dodo towards the end. There was that crash at degner then I slowed down with you because I wasn't sure if I would be gaining an unfair position because of both of you having a lag related crash. Then we started racing again, dodo hit you, you went off, then I was hit by him also a lap or 2 later, you got by & that was it.

Race3 Supersonic, i wondered why i was nailed so hard lol i was braking about right for the guys in front of me, i must have lagged and you slammed me.

Yeah sorry :nervous: I was right behind you heading into that corner and then suddenly your car just came to a dead stop and I went right into the back of you :ouch:

If we wernt to count races when that happens, what about races like the F40 where me and joe were having connection difficulty? Half the field couldnt join, do we not count that race? Thats abit unfair on you guys that did connect and race. I'm gutted for missing out on the points, but thats just my bad luck for the night, i dont see why you guys should be punished...

Hmm but how is that the same as extreme lag in a race? One is when all the field make the race, only to have it ruined by massive lag, to the point where racing is impossible and you think to yourself, geez may as well pull into the pits here because this is crap. The other is a driver or 2 not making the race because of connection issues/joining too early or too late/the grid is full. I guess I see it differently to you but that seems like 2 different things?

Furthermore, shouldn't there be consistency in rules? 'Its the same for everybody' you mention to excuse lag and say there shouldn't be a rule for that yet when it comes to people missing the main race, its not the same for everybody? There should be a separate rule for that one? I think both rules or none of them should be enforced if we want consistency. I know that might sound like I'm contradicting myself as in the above paragraph I wrote that they seem different, yet in this one I'm implying they're the same. I understand that when it comes down to it, both situations have drivers unfairly punished. However doesn't the lag punish drivers more so and if they're both similar rules/ideas then as mentioned, surely you can't do one without the other?

As I said, sure we can say its the same for everybody but it becomes lottery driving. If it were just normal SAR/MNR then you'd live with it but if you want to give out points/sort drivers, how is it fair for any driver to race in those conditions?

Had a think about what I wrote last night & that vote system could work. It would only be used in extreme circumstances such as race 2 last night, where its just so bad you think its not worth competing. It wouldn't apply to just a single car/drivers experience & it couldn't be taken advantage of as it would need the majority of the drivers competing to agree. So say last night I add in my write up 'Race 2 - Extreme Lag/Undrivable'. There were 4 of us in that race, meaning if 3 out the 4 of us write, 'Extreme Lag/Undrivable', then that race is put off to lag and everybody gets 5 or 10 points/the guy who was leading gets 10, the rest get 5 or alternatively everybody gets half points. However if just 1 driver mentions 'Extreme Lag/Undrivable' but nobody else, then nothing happens, full points as normal.

Anywho, as for mismatched racers.....
I think the 'main race', being the one where the majority of the MNR Runners end up racing, gets Full points for their positions. Anyone unlucky enough not to run in the 'main race' (gets in another race with various drivers/less MNR Runners) will have to compare overall race times, and is awarded half points for that racers 'theoretical' position.

For example, a lone racer in another race ends up with a time that would have put him in 3rd position in the 'main race', then that racer ends up with half points for 3rd spot. The racer who got 3rd in the 'main race' retains that position, as do any cars in the following positions.

That's a good idea 👍

:lol: Sorry for so much writing. Just like to get everything said in one go :P

Cheers
 
Enjoying SAR/MNR as always, big thanks to everyone who made this possible.

Results:
SAR:
Race 1: DNS
Race 2: 2nd
Race 3: 2nd
Race 4: 3rd (still pending on lucag120's involvement, if he's in MNR then it's 4th - not an issue since MNR has a better placing)
Race 5: 3rd

MNR:
Race 1: DNS
Race 2: DNS
Race 3: 2nd
Race 4: 2nd
Race 5: 1st

* Race 3 [2nd MNR, 2nd overall]: An excellent race with my favourite car (setup-wise at least :)). I was lightly punted onto the grass at the start by a GT-R, backed it off for Turn 1. It took me a while before I caught up with CrazyHorse, the start of an epic battle for the win all the way to the end as mentioned previously. As far as I can remember there was only one major mistake on my end, Lap 4 when I didn't move far enough out of the slipstream and accidentally tapped his 350Z (to his advantage btw). Very happy to be someone else's shadow for once :dopey:.

check out margin on the line in the MNR 350Z (just a bumper sticker it it) :crazy:

For non-GTPlanet members having a look at this forum, the official margin was 0.001 seconds (although I had the difference as 0.003 at my end - 17'37.065 to 17'37.068, instead of 17'37.077 to 17'37.078 - probably because of lag in my connection. I hope this doesn't start a debate over close finishes...)

* Race 4 [2nd MNR, 4th overall]: Sorry ss-88, nothing I do with the F40 cures the turn-in understeer/exit snap oversteer, at least for my driving ability. I'll keep trying though...

* Race 5 [1st MNR, 3rd overall]: My first victory of MNR, although ss-88 could've won it had it not been for all the punters. Was keeping track of his progress by using the last turn exit as reference, I think it was a bit of a see-saw the whole way but I couldn't be sure. As long as a race with only two MNR participants counts, I'll be happy to take the points :).

See everyone next time 👍
 
Race 4 [2nd MNR, 4th overall]: Sorry ss-88, nothing I do with the F40 cures the turn-in understeer/exit snap oversteer, at least for my driving ability. I'll keep trying though...

No need to say sorry, you did nothing wrong! :) The F40 is a bit of a handful but a lot of fun to drive, almost lost it a few times during that race, including hitting the wall on the main straight when I took my eyes off the screen to check the GTP chat :lol:
 
Anyone unlucky enough not to run in the 'main race' (gets in another race with various drivers/less MNR Runners) will have to compare overall race times, and is awarded half points for that racers 'theoretical' position.

For example, a lone racer in another race ends up with a time that would have put him in 3rd position in the 'main race', then that racer ends up with half points for 3rd spot. The racer who got 3rd in the 'main race' retains that position, as do any cars in the following positions.

Just a thought, what about an MNR racer who has a bad run in the non-main race and doesn't get a finishing 'theoretical' time because the driver in 1st place was so far ahead (i.e. their result shows up as "Running..."). If we apply the half-points system then it could work for one driver, say they get the half-points for the last placing amongst all the MNR runners. But what if this happens to more than one racer? Do they all get the same finish on account of them not finishing the race? Or should they technically be classified as DNF's and not get any points at all. I know it's mean but it makes sense to me, even though (as far as I know) DNF's aren't taken into account for the points at the moment.

I know it's only a minor issue with the system, but it's something that can happen in a race full of punters. Thoughts?

EDIT: I'm calling it a minor issue since most of us manage to get into the main race. Btw it sounds like everyone's on GTP chat before the race, I know CrazyHorse invited me into the chat in SAR. Would it be possible if I could join in on future chat rooms? Thanks.
 
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EDIT: I'm calling it a minor issue since most of us manage to get into the main race. Btw it sounds like everyone's on GTP chat before the race, I know CrazyHorse invited me into the chat in SAR. Would it be possible if I could join in on future chat rooms? Thanks.

Usually I have both the GTP chat going on here, as well as being in a PSN chatroom created by one of the guys. So join either or both & you'll be good to go 👍
 
Ok... unless there's a major outcry at what I'm about to post, here's what I'm currently leaning towards regarding laggy-races and split fields.

The setup we have presently... network non-/dis- connections, bailing or poor-quality hosts, etc, etc, means some of us, some of the time, are gonna end up with the s h i t t y -end of the stick! It's unfortunate, but there it is -- one week it'll be (insert nick) getting stiffed... the following week it'll be me.

With that in mind, and for the sake of simplicity, I propose the following:

1: Failure to connect to race = no points
2: Disconnection during race = no points
3: Connecting to race with no other SAR/MNRers in it = no points
4: Connecting to race with minimum 2 SAR/MNRers in it = full points (even if racers get split into a dozen simultaneous heats... if there's two or more, full pts)
5: Lag-tastic race = full points (pull off-track or pit if it's breaking your heart)

Number 3 seems harsh, but it's really the only way (sorry, joeninety!).

Number 4 might seem overly generous, but if you race an MNRer, you should get full credit (...if only two racers show up for a night of MNR, they would be battling for full points, so I don't see the difference).

Number 5 really has to be that harsh! Lag is horrible... but more to the point, lag issues are far too common for us to be voting everytime it pops up, imho.

If we can come to a consensus on these, I fill in the standings :)

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lucag120 -- If you are interested in claiming your points, pls post to this thread before Sunday 28th June. I'm deliberately not pm-ing you to see if you are lurking and have an interest in the series. As things stand, and unless there is an expression of interest from you, mate, I'm not awarding you any points :)
 
@CrazyHorse - Agree, keeps things simple. The points thing i imagine was started to keep track of players progress over a month of racing. I dont think it was intended to become a full on serious championship where players are battling tooth and nail for points. The focus on MNR should be fun and getting together with Aus/NZ GT5Players for some close heated racing. The points should be a secondary thought. And treating it via the rules you propose keeps it that way, and keeps it simple. Everyone will have some bad luck at some stage or another, it'll work itself out.
 
The simple things are always better. The proposals look good and I'd be more than happy to race by them. But, given my track record of joining OLRs, I'll most likely be the victim of Number 1... (it happens quite often, most recently was SAR Race 1... still can't wait to race my favourite car :))
 
it's a long time since I posted at GTP, glad to see the same log in works :)

Been fun racing with the GTP guys 👍

Had a bit of a read through the recent thread and it does seem that there are some very subjective opinions on the driving (very disappointed in your comments Tizzy).

You can be quick, and there are some very quick drivers hot lapping around....for the record, I'm one to three seconds off the runners....but the driving in MNR is not hot lapping and the lines are excruciatingly different......... and it is supposed to be the fun.
But is does help if you have some awareness of where the car in front and the car behind actually are, before they become invisible??????

This weeks SAR ~ brilliant~ would ride in this company anytime:)

This weeks MNR ~ sorry I had to pull the pin L1 R3, had to take my daughter to the airport.

Regarding race 2 ~ SS you were lag city, I like to sit 2 inches off the car in front in the chase, and you went ******* everywhere, even places I couldn't follow. I could have hit you a hundred times and wouldn't really know (but I don't think my drivings that bad).
I was tailing Chris and got pushed on lap one, so wasn't in the hunt to catch him and I just latched on to the next car which happened to be yours and then the the game was to see how closely I could trail, pass etc.........

Perceived pushes off track..........SS, if your off the track (read well off line but still on rumble) and a car is coming through on line......sorry, your collateral damage.
Lionface, mate, not sure.... that was a good Tizzla move, I thought it was fair, and if you did not have enough room .....if you were in front....probable shove....anyway.........then I apologise.......hopefully we can both improve our cornering skills under duress.
I did like the constant time difference once we got going on the last lap....be interesting nose to tail.

If you have the pleasurable opportunity to race peekay, who has been driving this game since GT1, you will appreciate his synergy and understanding of space in the game......it's second to none.

On Fuji.....with great respect gentlemen, the lines in to all corners are the drivers, and if the game says you have a penalty then you have a penalty.....it is a game we are playing.
If that is not entirely comprehensible, then understand that in a race situation, (MNR included) you have to cover your line (which means the obvious) if you can't understand that, stop whinging and just fall off the track quietly......please.

Especially enjoyed racing with ED5TA last couple of times, and of course joeninety for every good race over a good while now 👍
 
Well... apparently we're getting an event update tomorrow, which will totally mess up the current schedule, but anyways.

As there will be very little time for us all to tune 5 new rides by the weekend, I will perhaps try to fit (at least) 3 of our current rides into the new events... I may also put a shout out for help if I start to struggle with time or anything else... but I know you boyz are good fer it 👍
 
Regarding race 2 ~ SS you were lag city, I like to sit 2 inches off the car in front in the chase, and you went ******* everywhere, even places I couldn't follow. I could have hit you a hundred times and wouldn't really know (but I don't think my drivings that bad).
I was tailing Chris and got pushed on lap one, so wasn't in the hunt to catch him and I just latched on to the next car which happened to be yours and then the the game was to see how closely I could trail, pass etc.........

As was your car. Which was the extreme lag I was talking about. Impossible to race with that kind of stuff. Cars jumping side to side, forward and back, going all different angles, etc. :scared:

Perceived pushes off track..........SS, if your off the track (read well off line but still on rumble) and a car is coming through on line......sorry, your collateral damage.

So if somebody goes a bit wide in a corner it gives permission to the car behind to hit them off? What happened at T1, as I wrote, was I went in a bit too hot, managed to pull the car up but was offline. I saw your car in the mirror and you were sitting behind & I assumed a number of things. 1. You knew that I had to turn in at some point or else I'd just run off the track, 2. It was so laggy that unless it was a clear cut simple pass then it would be risky & 3. It didn't look like you'd make a move. I turned in, not coming onto the racing line to give you room if you happened to put your car there and contact was made, I went off. I wrote that perhaps it was my fault & I assumed wrongly what you would do, which it very may well have been & in those very laggy conditions, racing accidents are plentiful. I know if you go wide in a corner and a car makes a dive from your mistake give them room, which I always try to do. So it was just a lag related accident. I'm sure it never would have happened if everything was smooth as silk 👍

On Fuji.....with great respect gentlemen, the lines in to all corners are the drivers, and if the game says you have a penalty then you have a penalty.....it is a game we are playing.
If that is not entirely comprehensible, then understand that in a race situation, (MNR included) you have to cover your line (which means the obvious) if you can't understand that, stop whinging and just fall off the track quietly......please.

You mention with great respect then say 'if you can't understand that, stop whinging and just fall off the track quietly'. Sure the lines are the drivers choice, you're 100% correct. At Fuji however as opposed to other tracks, the corners are very wide, and have a number of different lines. You as a driver are entitled to your line. It does not entitle you to barge other drivers off because your line gives faster corner entry as opposed to someone who's going for faster corner exit.

What happens commonly is drive A takes the wider line (slow in, fast out), driver B takes the shallow line (fast in, slower out), which ends up in a crash because driver B assumes driver A has gone wide and its now his corner, when in fact that's not the case at all, driver A comes across to hit the apex and bam. That's not entitling driver A to his line. You talk about 'understanding of space in the game' well its just as important for the lead driver to understand that, as it is for the driver behind. Driver B should be aware that unless the guy in front has gone so far wide that he really has made a mistake, that don't put your car in a precarious position because more than likely, driver A is about to come across to hit the apex.

For penalties, are you saying if I get hit in the side by another driver, thanks to him not slowing down enough to make the corner, its tough luck to me, all good for him and he can drive off because it's a game and since I got the penalty, that's the right outcome? If you meant something different, then sorry for the misunderstanding.

Covering the line, as you say, is the way to go. But then you're exposed to getting slammed into (for example guys pulling huge dives at T1 at fuji) or accused of moving too much in the braking zone so it's a fine line we all have to tread.

Edit: Forgot to write that there's too much arguing going on lately and most of its from me, so sorry about that :( Don't want to drag the thread and event down so it'll be all positive from here! Oh and look, 500 posts in this thread. Yay! :D

Cheers
 
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@supersonic.
I was just thinking about the race events threads last night - the AU/NZ event seems to be the only really active one and i would add that most of it is positive.....yes some differences of opinion....and some heated.

I have raced with some real dirt bags in my short online career but i don't believe we have any such people currently involved......maybe bad judgement calls in the heat of battle but that just makes it interesting.

If it gets too serious then it stops being fun...and i'm all about fun:dopey:

see you's on track.
 
@supersonic.
I was just thinking about the race events threads last night - the AU/NZ event seems to be the only really active one and i would add that most of it is positive.....yes some differences of opinion....and some heated.

I have raced with some real dirt bags in my short online career but i don't believe we have any such people currently involved......maybe bad judgement calls in the heat of battle but that just makes it interesting.

If it gets too serious then it stops being fun...and i'm all about fun:dopey:

see you's on track.

Fully agree :D I didn't mean to derail the thread. Its just how things evolve. Person posts a topic/issue, it gets talked about & then you realise for the last 2 pages of the thread that stuff has been going on, instead of talking about the enjoyment & fun :ouch:

I enjoy racing everybody in SAR/MNR, its always good fun 👍 Really the stuff we've been talking about mostly comes from flaws in the game, not anybody's driving. If only we have those damn private rooms & a few more features available to us!
 
Really the stuff we've been talking about mostly comes from flaws in the game, not anybody's driving.
NOW you tell me...!!! I just spent good money on a racing shirt that says "I plenty-big Clio Hoon! I punt you long time!"

;)
 
These are the new expert events released today from the other thread:

800 PP HSR
700 PP Suzuka
600 PP AWD/Fuji
550 PP FF/London Forward
550 PP FR/Eiger North

I believe the 700PP suzuka event is a world one, which means lag could potentially be a lot worse than normal but fingers crossed it isn't. So which one's are we gonna use? 600PP Fuji & 700PP Suzuka? Only a 50PP decrease from our current events. What about cars, can we keep them as the current ones or will changes need to be made?
 
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Ok... here are the events that would be of most interest to us:

Expert -- 700 PP Suzuka
Expert -- 600 PP AWD/Fuji

I'll check when I go home whether there's sufficient room in the PPs of our current cars to manoeuvre within these events... I'm pretty keen, for the sake of clean racing, to keep us on R-tyres (sliding around searching for grip is terrific fun, but not necessarily conducive to great racing).

Does anyone have a HUGE objection to keeping (should it be possible) ALL of our current cars?

There is also an Expert -- 800 PP HSR event. There has been some mention previously that HSR is NOT a preferred circuit... is this still the case?

Cheers, gents :)
 
Ok... here are the events that would be of most interest to us:

Expert -- 700 PP Suzuka
Expert -- 600 PP AWD/Fuji

I'll check when I go home whether there's sufficient room in the PPs of our current cars to manoeuvre within these events... I'm pretty keen, for the sake of clean racing, to keep us on R-tyres (sliding around searching for grip is terrific fun, but not necessarily conducive to great racing).

Does anyone have a HUGE objection to keeping (should it be possible) ALL of our current cars?

There is also an Expert -- 800 PP HSR event. There has been some mention previously that HSR is NOT a preferred circuit... is this still the case?

Cheers, gents :)

I'm happy to stay on race tyres and agree that it helps provide better racing usually.

On the cars, if everybody wants to keep them the same until the end of this 'championship', then I'm fine with doing that. Otherwise probably the viper is my least fun car but that's mainly down to not being able to find a good setup that works for me. Would love to know what other people are using if you're willing to share :) If I were to replace that car, what other 'beasts' are available? Is the tuned vette considered a beast? Don't mind that car.

HSR isn't my favourite track & would prefer staying at suzuka & fuji for at least the remaining 2 weeks of our championship, just to keep things the same. However happy to go with whatever the majority want :) If we do go to HSR though, people would need to be reminded of the rolling start procedure again. The other 2 events on offer, Eiger & London, I haven't raced either online before but hear London can be a nightmare to race on & Eiger is more a time trial track.

Cheers
 
On the cars, if everybody wants to keep them the same until the end of this 'championship', then I'm fine with doing that.
Actually, sonic, I'm thinking of re-starting the championship. I'm not blonde, so I don't know how I missed the fact that the current schedule would be interrupted by an online event change... but I did :dunce:

I'd like to consider what we've done so far as a trial-run, and run a new championship for the duration of the current online event list... so for the next four SAR/MNRs.

And really, as far as HSR is concerned, one dissenting voice was just about all I needed to exclude it as an option... and that's you... so it's gone :cool:

The Viper might not go down to 700PP very well, in which case it will go. If it can fit the category, and more people like it than not, I'll pm you my numbers 👍
 
Actually, sonic, I'm thinking of re-starting the championship. I'm not blonde, so I don't know how I missed the fact that the current schedule would be interrupted by an online event change... but I did :dunce:

I'd like to consider what we've done so far as a trial-run, and run a new championship for the duration of the current online event list... so for the next four SAR/MNRs.

And really, as far as HSR is concerned, one dissenting voice was just about all I needed to exclude it as an option... and that's you... so it's gone :cool:

The Viper might not go down to 700PP very well, in which case it will go. If it can fit the category, and more people like it than not, I'll pm you my numbers 👍

Yeah you're right, its probably easier to just restart it now that there's a new schedule rather than have to change cars/PP/tyres/tracks & so on to try and fit it in with the current one we were running. So you win the trial championship! Good work! :D :cheers:

lol ask a few more guys about HSR before discounting it :lol:

Hopefully a few tunes will appear today/coming days so we can get idea of what cars go well with the new schedule.
 
Actually, sonic, I'm thinking of re-starting the championship. I'm not blonde, so I don't know how I missed the fact that the current schedule would be interrupted by an online event change... but I did :dunce:

Yeah you're right, its probably easier to just restart it now that there's a new schedule rather than have to change cars/PP/tyres/tracks & so on to try and fit it in with the current one we were running.

I agree with both of you, trying to fit the current cars into a restarted championship would've been too much of a hassle since the rules for the Fuji race already disqualify Races 3 and 4 (the Amuse 350Z and Ferrari F40, both of which obviously aren't 4WD cars). If you guys want to consider a PP600 Fuji race, there are sensible options in the Nissan GT-R and Subaru Impreza ('05 and '07), both of which were capable of running with the likes of the Honda NSX in the PP650 class. (1'42-1'43 laps, faster than the Amuse 350Z at 1'44-1'46)

I wasn't aware that the Suzuka race was a world event, sounds like it could be a Tuned Clio-fest given PP700. In any case, I wouldn't mind keeping the Viper for the 'beast' car though, like supersonic-88, I'd prefer to drive the Corvette. The Tuned Clio would be an obvious choice for the 'grip' car, but I'd also like to see the Tuned Evo IX and/or Mine's GT-R remain.

And really, as far as HSR is concerned, one dissenting voice was just about all I needed to exclude it as an option... and that's you... so it's gone :cool:

HSR isn't my favourite track & would prefer staying at suzuka & fuji for at least the remaining 2 weeks of our championship, just to keep things the same. However happy to go with whatever the majority want :) If we do go to HSR though, people would need to be reminded of the rolling start procedure again. The other 2 events on offer, Eiger & London, I haven't raced either online before but hear London can be a nightmare to race on & Eiger is more a time trial track.

Would two dissenting voices be enough to discount it? :) I haven't been able to enjoy racing at HSR since Gran Turismo 2, just haven't had the will to drive enough laps to learn the circuit properly. With regards to rolling starts at HSR, I'm not aware of the rules but they would apply to both London and Eiger which also have rolling starts.

London definitely has a reputation for being a hard track to pass on, a combination of being so narrow and having only two real overtaking places (the hairpin at Turn 1 and the final corner, anywhere else and you're asking from trouble). I tried the Beginner class race a while ago and, stopping short of ramming the car in front off line, there was simply no room to pass cleanly. On the other hand, a race at Eiger could be a bit more forgiving with the extra space. Personally I wouldn't mind trying to tune a car to run well around there, PP550 sounds like a good challenge.

I'm pretty keen, for the sake of clean racing, to keep us on R-tyres (sliding around searching for grip is terrific fun, but not necessarily conducive to great racing).

Yes, I agree with keeping the R-tyres. It's much more reassuring to know the drivers around you have the grip to avoid an incident. Plus, it's easier for those of us, including me, who have to race with the Dualshock (I think I developed arthritis a couple of months ago trying to control the F430 on N3 tyres :crazy:)

Well, there's my two cents. Also congratulations to CrazyHorse for winning the trial championship 👍. Now the reigning champion has to do it all over again for real :D
 
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