Aussies/Kiwis : Monday Night Racing

[peter_vod69]

Yeah, B, I think that'll work fine

Welcome to peter_vod69 👍

@ Paulie - if Dexter follows GNW, like Supernatural did (c 9.40pm), you can do the first four races no problem

Thanks for the welcome - don't expect me to be fast though, got a bad headcold (see, already got the excuses warmed up! ).

 

[peter_vod69]

So we're clear on this, you want racing tyres (as in R1/2/3) on the Lotus and Renault for the Suzuka races? This will make tuning them difficult!

 

[supersonic-88]

Racing tyres for all the races. You can pick R1, R2, R3 doesn't matter as long as you're using race tyres

We choose this as racing tyres gives everybody the best grip, encouraging more passing & so on.

 

[peter_vod69]

Fair enough, just means I'll have to knock some power out of it or up the weight I guess...

 

[peter_vod69]

If that damned Clio hadn't ruined it that would've been fantastic! As it was, Lion_Face and I had a really good battle for a couple of laps, I think he had a spin somewhere near the bottom of the hill though...

 

[peter_vod69]

Well I hope I'm worthy, that first suzuka race was fantastic!

 

[peter_vod69]

Well I dunno what happened, but GT5P has dumped me, sans F40 into the middle of Coca Cola bend, and I can do nothing but listen to the distant roar of F40's and tortured rubber. See you guys in the Suzuka race I guess...

 

[Paulie]

Peter, please don't quadruple post, use the edit button instead.

 

[peter_vod69]

Oh come on, they were whole MINUTES apart!

And why aren't you racing?

 

[Paulie]

Oh come on, they were whole MINUTES apart!

And why aren't you racing?

Days apart is what's more necessary. I'm not racing due to a family crisis that arose thanks to my sister being the 🤬 that she is.

 

[peter_vod69]

Days apart is what's more necessary. I'm not racing due to a family crisis that arose thanks to my sister being the 🤬 that she is.

Well that does indeed suck. Good luck with the family.

 

[Lion-Face]

If that damned Clio hadn't ruined it that would've been fantastic! As it was, Lion_Face and I had a really good battle for a couple of laps, I think he had a spin somewhere near the bottom of the hill though...

Yeah that was great fun! You steamed into the Chicane on lap 8, overtaking me, i was undercutting you through the first right of the chicane, and then took a sharper line into the left of the chicane to undercut you and accelerate out faster, too much power over the crest and it sent me off the track to try and chase you down for the last couple of laps.

 

[peter_vod69]

Yeah that was great fun! You steamed into the Chicane on lap 8, overtaking me, i was undercutting you through the first right of the chicane, and then took a sharper line into the left of the chicane to undercut you and accelerate out faster, too much power over the crest and it sent me off the track to try and chase you down for the last couple of laps.

If its the corner I'm thinking of (the sharp right hairpin at the bottom of the hill) then I seemed to have it all over you under brakes, but then you'd be right on me on the way up the hill. Pity you had a moment, nice driving otherwise.

In general guys, that was some of the best fun I've had online in GT5P, its nice to be able to race aggressively, safe in the knowledge that you aren't going to be punted and that everyone else knows you won't either (if I did bump anyone, I am genuinely sorry, it was not my intention and I didn't notice if I did).

 

[Lion-Face]

Yeah, hadn't played much GT5P since last MNR so I was still learning braking points for the F430 right up till lap 10.

 

[peter_vod69]

Yeah, hadn't played much GT5P since last MNR so I was still learning braking points for the F430 right up till lap 10.

On the run down to that corner, on R1's, you can use the stripes on the surface of the road as a brake marker. I tend to brake just after I cross the second lot of stripes (They kind of look like the silhouette of two zebra crossings).

 

[crazyhorse]

Ok, I'm normally pretty easy going... but there was some seriously uncool c-r-a-p on display tonight 👎

I know this thread has become very big, and it might not be that easy, if you are new to SAR/MNR, to throw an eye over everything and see where this series is at, but there are a few drivers that need to get clued in as to what we expect from people taking part in SAR and MNR... a quickly!

I myself was punted-off twice tonight, and hit hard on several other occasions, and on each occasion by somebody new to the Series! There were also other reports of unnecessarily rough driving, and even reports of racers weaving like idiots down the straights, trying to break a tow, and not giving anyone behind any clue as to what line they might be taking into the corner. It's not on!

• You do not pass if you cannot do so without contact!
  
• If you are about to hit someone, you do everything (within reason) to minimise the damage!
  
• If you hit someone, or punt someone off, you pull over and wait for them to re-join!

THESE ARE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF SAR & MNR... NO 'IFs', 'BUTs', or 'MAYBEs'!!!

This week's MNR needs to be a one-off, because next week I will be naming and shaming... and if that doesn't work, I will be asking people if they wouldn't mind sitting things out!

We've all put some considerable effort into making SAR/MNR an excellent series, full of fantastically fast racing and outstanding on-track etiquette... so guys, either check-out how we do things, and get with the program... or if you feel that's too much to ask, please look for another series or GTP event to run in... it's that simple!

For those of you who couldn't be bothered to look at the schedule we're currently running, click here.

For those of you who are interested in finding out SAR/MNR is about, and what we expect from racers, click here, and here (see also following posts), and here (see also following posts), and here too (see also following posts).

New faces around the thread and on-track are great, but if people want to jump in, I think it only common courtesy that they check out how our little series works!

I'm not suggesting that we are perfect... and it's taken a little time for the regulars to get to the type of (largely) contact-free racing that we've been enjoying. Indeed, we all still make the occasional gaff and hit someone... but there's always an attempt to make redress (i.e. undo any advantage gained by contact), and there's always an apology! Tonight, however, there was a shocking lack of respect shown on-track by some, and it's just not on

 

[supersonic-88]

Wasn't the best MNR tonight, especially thanks yet again to the terrible online matchmaking system 👎

Race 1: A fantastic race. Devie blasted away in his GT-R, so it was myself & chris having an epic battle for 2nd in our F430's. We must have been slowing each other down because joe who was quite a bit behind caught up and now it was a 3 way battle. Some great racing, especially side by side stuff. There was a racing accident on lap 9 between us all but I guess that's what happens trying to go 3 wide through a corner Managed to come home in 2nd, just ahead of the other two.

Race 2: Had an ok start and was into the lead early. The gearing on this car still isn't right and it felt like everybody else had much greater drive out of the lower gears so will need to change this for next week. Stuffed up spoon while in the lead, going in to too hot and went into the sand. Quickly got back on and finished 3rd.

Sorry for the super dark photo, again the game quit right as I took it

Race 3: Another struggle in the F40 to keep it on the road Had a battle with lion-face for much of the race but broke clear slightly right at the end to finish 2nd.

Race 4: Didn't get to race this one like a lot of other guys. Loaded up, said joining race but then went to a GT loading screen, then a blank black screen. Had to quit the game completely to fix it.

Race 5: By now most people had left and only myself, devie and lion-face were around. Tried but the same problem as race 4 happened to all of us again. Lion-face left however tried one final time again with devie and managed to get in a race. Wasn't much though. He was taken out in the first corner and then I had the pleasure of driving with a random AU driver who it seems can only beat you by running into you over and over again. Finished 1st.

Finishes were:

Race 1: 2
Race 2: 3
Race 3: 2
Race 4: NA
Race 5: 1

 

[peter_vod69]

Ok, I'm normally pretty easy going... but there was some seriously uncool c-r-a-p on display tonight 👎

I know this thread has become very big, and it might not be that easy, if you are new to SAR/MNR, to throw an eye over everything and see where this series is at, but there are a few drivers that need to get clued in as to what we expect from people taking part in SAR and MNR... a quickly!

I myself was punted-off twice tonight, and hit hard on several other occasions, and on each occasion by somebody new to the Series! There were also other reports of unnecessarily rough driving, and even reports of racers weaving like idiots down the straights, trying to break a tow, and not giving anyone behind any clue as to what line they might be taking into the corner. It's not on!

• You do not pass if you cannot do so without contact!
  
• If you are about to hit someone, you do everything (within reason) to minimise the damage!
  
• If you hit someone, or punt someone off, you pull over and wait for them to re-join!

THESE ARE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS OF SAR & MNR... NO 'IFs', 'BUTs', or 'MAYBEs'!!!

This week's MNR needs to be a one-off, because next week I will be naming and shaming... and if that doesn't work, I will be asking people if they wouldn't mind sitting things out!

We've all put some considerable effort into making SAR/MNR an excellent series, full of fantastically fast racing and outstanding on-track etiquette... so guys, either check-out how we do things, and get with the program... or if you feel that's too much to ask, please look for another series or GTP event to run in... it's that simple!

For those of you who couldn't be bothered to look at the schedule we're currently running, click here.

For those of you who are interested in finding out SAR/MNR is about, and what we expect from racers, click here, and here (see also following posts), and here (see also following posts), and here too (see also following posts).

New faces around the thread and on-track are great, but if people want to jump in, I think it only common courtesy that they check out how our little series works!

I'm not suggesting that we are perfect... and it's taken a little time for the regulars to get to the type of (largely) contact-free racing that we've been enjoying. Indeed, we all still make the occasional gaff and hit someone... but there's always an attempt to make redress (i.e. undo any advantage gained by contact), and there's always an apology! Tonight, however, there was a shocking lack of respect shown on-track by some, and it's just not on

I hope you aren't referring to me.

 

[GTP_joeninety]

I must admit my driving was not really up to scratch last night....

Race 1 in the GTR - The car just would not behave(like i had nothing to do with that!)
I side swiped Devie on lap 1 and then threw it off the track...2nd place to last in 2 easy steps.
Fought LionFace & Mrvajj for a couple of laps before finally making a T1 dive stick....then proceed to track down Stone and Sonic who were ripping it up in the F430's.
5laps later and i was on their bumpers and looking for a way around, but it's easy chasing, it's whole different game plan when your trying to pass.....great racing boys.

Race 2 in the Lotus - Got P1 on the grid which i quickly surrendered because i really don't know how to drive this car....afew bumps and grinds, abit of grass surfing - glad it was only 5 lap race.

Race 3 in the F40 - would perfer to remember my SAR race and not this one!

Race 4 - in the Clio - slow load and then people disappearing on the grid - whole race locked up and screen went blank.....time to put this one behind me

 

[Lion-Face]

If anyone has a problem with me, or I hit them, please tell me so I can resolve the issue, if it was a mistake I can learn from it.

While on the topic, can people just be a bit wary through the 2nd half of Fuji, there are a few different lines through the squiggly bits near the end of the lap and its hard for a player ahead to take a wider line and watch players behind taking a tighter line and try to avoid contact by giving some room, there is only so much room at the apex of some of these corners and while you may 'look' ahead at the entry of the corner, the wider line driver is always going to come in and cut your nose off at the apex.

 

[crazyhorse]

LF... mate, as much as possible, I'd like to keep individual disputes off this thread, and kept back-channel, please.

People need to keep in mind just how destructive accusatory posts can be - I can just come out and call someone a cheat, with little or no evidence, but just an accusation from a racer can leave from a stain on another blokes reputation... cheating, punting, over-aggressiveness, poor race-etiquette, whichever... back-channel, please fellas

For anyone STILL in doubt as to what's expected of them in SAR/MNR, just take a minute to see where the most kudos is dished out in this thread...! Nobody gives a rats-ass who wins, or who beats who... but we DO care about close clean racing! Somebody posted that they thought MNR was a nice place to be able to race aggressively... it isn't... never will be! Following on someone's bumper for 10 laps coz they don't give you a clear-cut opportunity to pass requires infinity more skill than just slamming in down the inside when you think they are holding you up!

I know it seems like I going over the top, but just as we hit the highpoint of the last SAR, and just as we lost the randoms, we've discovered a whole new brand of idiot. Just bring on damage, PD, please...

 

[peter_vod69]

OK, does anyone BESIDES crazyhorse here think I'm an idiot and a cheat based on last nights racing?

 

[GTP_joeninety]

OK, does anyone BESIDES crazyhorse here think I'm an idiot and a cheat based on last nights racing?

Would be happy to answer that question based on how you drive next week.👍

 

[crazyhorse]

Not sure why I bother sometimes... asking people to keep certain issues backchannel... because this sort of stuff just stinks-up the thread.

Congratulations, peter_vod69, I'm now quite happy to call you an 'idiot'!

PS, interesting how its become race 4 now instead of 5.

Not really... just a typo... like I say, I wasn't in race 5 either.

I will NOT be accused of being a cheat without responding.

Read the post again... I'm asking people to keep inflamatory issues, such as "cheating, punting, over-aggressiveness, poor race-etiquette" off the forum... nothing more. I haven't accused anyone of cheating.

And as for calling me an idiot, please...

Same deal as the 'cheating' issue above... I haven't called you anything.

I can't believe how fired up you are getting over an incident you claim I caused, yet I can barely remember.

That's my problem with you, mate, because whether you remember or not is just not relevant. In SAR/MNR we've made it our business to take resposibility for EVERYONE'S enjoyment. A racer's first reaction to a "Hey buddy, you punted me!" should be "Geez, I'm sorry buddy, if I did I didn't mean too"... but you're far too busy up there on your high horse, and we don't need that sort of arrogance in the series.

Show me a racing driver who doesn't race aggressively and I'll show you a bridge I have for sale...

You should have taken the opportunity last night to learn from some of the extremely quick, contact-free, racers... people like supersonic88, Toivonen, etc. Your loss.

I agree, bring on damage, because my car would've had the lightest of scrapes and scratches, but thats it.

What part of contact-free are you having trouble understanding?

---
I won't be replying any further on this issue, life's too short.

 

[peter_vod69]

Well if you are going to show them that, why not the whole lot, you know, the stuff where you can't quote me out of context?

Yeah I thought so.

 

[peter_vod69]

The PMs for all to see.

I hope you aren't referring to me.

Well they say, "hope springs eternal"!

I'm not posting to the thread because I want to avoid discussing individual people in regard to this topic. But as you've asked, you were one of the racers to punt me off (...at the start of the esses, lap 1 of race 5). You've posted that "...if I did bump anyone, I am genuinely sorry, it was not my intention and I didn't notice if I did". I must accept that, though it's a little difficult to believe as you hit my right-rear quarter, i.e. I was ahead of you (...not a very gracious acceptance on my part, but I'm still a little heated!).

At this point (...and again, why I'm not posting this in the thread) I'm referring to 'an attitude', more than any particular racer or incident... there's no need for mention any racer by name... the ones who hit people (lag touches aside) know exactly who they are... diving down the inside knowing someone's about to turn in... pushing people wide as they run side-by-side... we don't want that in SAR/MNR!

If that's not you, not how you race, fine... you'll be welcome in the series.

I think you'll find that was impossible. I didn't end up racing in the fifth race because I missed the start. I remember because I only got to drive my F430 (which was in the first race) and not the GTR. After my game crapped out in the F40 race, I came back for the fourth race in the Lotus, then I missed the start of the fifth. So whoever it was that knocked you off the road, go after them.

No need to get hot under the collar at someone when they weren't even involved!

Yeah, I wasn't in race 5 either... I meant race 4... and your dark coloured elise punted me off and didn't stop... so quit acting like a juvenile and put your hand up like a man!

I will NOT be accused of being a cheat without responding. And as for calling me an idiot, please, I'M the Juvenile?!?!

I can't believe how fired up you are getting over an incident you claim I caused, yet I can barely remember. If you are seriously going to be this childish about it, then might I suggest you take up chess or something less "exciting".

You claim I bumped you or whatever (I'm still not sure how or where), yet the only time I remember a significant bump in that particular race was somebody rubbing up the outside of me attempting to go around the outside into turn one at Suzuka and ending up in the sand. If it were real life racing, that sort of incident would be the fault of the bloke who ended up beached.

Show me a racing driver who doesn't race aggressively and I'll show you a bridge I have for sale... Aggressive is NOT a synonym for deliberately knocking someone off the track, which I maintain I didn't attempt to do. I agree, bring on damage, because my car would've had the lightest of scrapes and scratches, but thats it.

Ask Lion_Face, whom I raced aggressively with for several laps on Fuji, whether I'm a cheat, and whether I attempted to punt him off the road. I resent the inferences you are making, and I resent your attitude.

PS, interesting how its become race 4 now instead of 5.

And the Quotes from this thread that were obviously directed at me.

LF... mate, as much as possible, I'd like to keep individual disputes off this thread, and kept back-channel, please.

People need to keep in mind just how destructive accusatory posts can be - I can just come out and call someone a cheat, with little or no evidence, but just an accusation from a racer can leave from a stain on another blokes reputation... cheating, punting, over-aggressiveness, poor race-etiquette, whichever... back-channel, please fellas

For anyone STILL in doubt as to what's expected of them in SAR/MNR, just take a minute to see where the most kudos is dished out in this thread...! Nobody gives a rats-ass who wins, or who beats who... but we DO care about close clean racing! Somebody posted that they thought MNR was a nice place to be able to race aggressively... it isn't... never will be! Following on someone's bumper for 10 laps coz they don't give you a clear-cut opportunity to pass requires infinity more skill than just slamming in down the inside when you think they are holding you up!

I know it seems like I going over the top, but just as we hit the highpoint of the last SAR, and just as we lost the randoms, we've discovered a whole new brand of idiot. Just bring on damage, PD, please...

If its the corner I'm thinking of (the sharp right hairpin at the bottom of the hill) then I seemed to have it all over you under brakes, but then you'd be right on me on the way up the hill. Pity you had a moment, nice driving otherwise.

In general guys, that was some of the best fun I've had online in GT5P, its nice to be able to race aggressively, safe in the knowledge that you aren't going to be punted and that everyone else knows you won't either (if I did bump anyone, I am genuinely sorry, it was not my intention and I didn't notice if I did).

There now, quote that lot out of context.

And he STILL hasn't told me the what/when/how/where of what he thinks happened!

 

[Lion-Face]

LF... mate, as much as possible, I'd like to keep individual disputes off this thread, and kept back-channel, please.

Sorry crazy, i was just pointing out that if anyone has anything to say about my driving, please let me know, as I would rather hear it through the chat or via PM on the forums than not at all.

I agree with keeping it out of this thread as its for the race series, and I should have said that in my initial post.

 

[crazyhorse]

Thanks LF, but I wasn't really concerned with your actual post, I just wanted to be sure that IF someone was to have an issue with you, they should talk to you backchannel 👍

Same goes for everyone, please... coz these things have a tendency to get out of hand

 

[Mad94d]

Wow! MNR sounded ugly. I should be back next week, hopefully we have some clean racing.

I agree with crazyhorse, any negative comments need to be discussed privately. Also, MNR was originally designed as a night where AU/NZ drivers get together for some clean racing. Just remember that.

 

[peter_vod69]

Well if we were going to be negative, I could have had a whine about several people ramming me into some of the braking zones, but I figured they were accidental, so I let them go.

I maintain I did nothing wrong, and my accuser has not told me otherwise except by way of a (very) vague accusation.