B-Spec is infinitely broken, not fun, and isn't racing
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- RedSuinit
The Jag is not in the same class as the rest of them. I would suggest you back out and restart if you are running a Zonda and see the Jag in the lineup. He is only there part of the time.
Anyway I am letting Bob run them and he is using the FGT so the Jag gets lapped just like everyone else
As to the pace I noticed when Bob is running the FGT If I keep him full red he will hit the corners over 200mph if he is in the middle he will slow to 190 or so and if he is full blue he will slow to 170 or so also he will not pass other cars right away when he is cool but will heat up when he gets close and pass on his own. In the FGT this is not a problem but in a more even car he will loose because of this. Also if you push him full red then everytime he comes up to a car to pass there is a chance he will loose control. Small chance on ovals but yet it is there and does happen sometimes. Keep him Red to get to the front and do not let him drop below center and he will pullaway from the pack. Also when he starts to come upon lapped traffic tell him to over take as he gets close and he is less likely to settle in behind and let the others catch him.
My Bob beat the Dreamcar Championship with the Zonda R. Even with the Jag in the mix.
It was hard though, it took a ton of concentration. It also took the right personality, the cool consistent one eventually pulled it off. The hothead would eventually just get so frustrated he would start hitting walls trying to go faster. 
Whatever man, when Bob is in the middle of a straightaway, with no one around him, he doesn't brake. Just saying.
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- IDragonofSilverI
The Key to B-spec is setting up the Car for the Drivers
On Ovals the easy Option is to set the Front an Rear brakes too 1 on each
Even the Crowd can see the B-specs Bobs eyes pop out of his head when he hits the brakes and nothing happens
I tried this for the pick up challenge and my bob still lost, even with a 700HP F150 Lightning.
Pedal-Force
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- Pedal-Force
There are certain corners that drivers (at least my drivers) seem to struggle with more than others. If you push them on these corners they're almost guaranteed to spin it or put it into the wall. These are generally the same corners that the normal AI has trouble with.
Some examples off the top of my head are the tight chicane by the water at Monaco after the fast downhill, and the chicane at the end of the back straight at Nurburgring GP/F.
After the Formula race at Nurburgring GP/F there were so many tire marks after that corner from people spinning that the whole road was dark black. My driver alone spun about 5 times there, including once while another two drivers spun at the same time, individual of each other.
At Monaco they'll try to pass on the inside of the first part of the chicane and stuff it into the wall. At Nurburgring they take a bad line and run wide on exit and onto the grass, which is almost an instant spin in a Formula car under hard cornering.
Some examples off the top of my head are the tight chicane by the water at Monaco after the fast downhill, and the chicane at the end of the back straight at Nurburgring GP/F.
After the Formula race at Nurburgring GP/F there were so many tire marks after that corner from people spinning that the whole road was dark black. My driver alone spun about 5 times there, including once while another two drivers spun at the same time, individual of each other.
At Monaco they'll try to pass on the inside of the first part of the chicane and stuff it into the wall. At Nurburgring they take a bad line and run wide on exit and onto the grass, which is almost an instant spin in a Formula car under hard cornering.
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- Conquerer13
No, it is broken. I don't care if there's some secret way to do it -- it doesn't change the fact that your drivers are absolute morons with no sense of racing or competition whatsoever around or before level 10. It's like you just took someone off the street and threw him into a car. They're are not proper racing drivers. All the AI drivers are significantly better and make much more aggressive passing moves, plus they don't brake like idiots on ovals and extremely early after straights.
Ok, but if he's trying to pass another car he brakes all the time instead of just going around the car and he always brakes earlier than other drivers (at least earlier on). And then there's the problem with ovals and braking over the finish line at Daytona.
Pedal-Force
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- Pedal-Force
You just have to pretend he's an idiot, and it's a lot more fun. Don't pretend he's some great race car driver who happens to want to race for you.
Pretend he's a guy from your office who said he wanted to try racing, so you decided to give him a chance. I would imagine I'd be braking at the S/F line at Daytona at 150 mph too. It's probably pretty scary until you get used to it. I'd also be braking really early, turning in late, accelerating late, etc, etc.
We're all real great sitting at 0 mph in a racing seat and driving in our living rooms. It's a lot harder driving on the edge in real life. Pretend Bob is in real life.
Pretend he's a guy from your office who said he wanted to try racing, so you decided to give him a chance. I would imagine I'd be braking at the S/F line at Daytona at 150 mph too. It's probably pretty scary until you get used to it. I'd also be braking really early, turning in late, accelerating late, etc, etc.
We're all real great sitting at 0 mph in a racing seat and driving in our living rooms. It's a lot harder driving on the edge in real life. Pretend Bob is in real life.
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- Joeminihulkster
My Bob is the man. As long as he has at least a half decent power to weight advantage, he wins pretty easily. He is grinding for me right now as I type in an my blue Audi R8. I'm still waiting for the elusive Formula GT. I think I will have earned enough credits to buy every car in the game before that car shows up.
For me, i just let him drive any of my fully tuned cars (depends on race requirements), let him overtake cars from the start (knowing you have twice the power from other a.i's). After he is in the lead, he will "cool down" and decrease his error driving ways, order him to "maintain pace", make a cup of tea/ flip a channel and leave him driving till the finish.
No stress for me.. Especially when you figured out that a Bugatti Veyron (prize car) is a "European Hot Hatch" and is "Made in France". LMAO.
It's not exactly "sitting on the director's seat" for some, but it is B-Spec.. and for me, i just want the best for "him" LMAO (again)
No stress for me.. Especially when you figured out that a Bugatti Veyron (prize car) is a "European Hot Hatch" and is "Made in France". LMAO.
It's not exactly "sitting on the director's seat" for some, but it is B-Spec.. and for me, i just want the best for "him" LMAO (again)
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B-spec is only ever fun (as much fun as you can have watching the computer race for you) when you have a vastly overpowered car and can pass everyone on the straights. Even if your car is 10 seconds a lap faster, he'll usually coast inches behind the car in front, with 5 meters either side to pass that he never uses. They're just utterly useless, and it doesn't improve as your driver levels up either.
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- HBR-Roadhog
- HBR Roadhog
My Bob was turning 33 second laps on Indy in the X1 when I kept his pace up which is not bad. Not as fast as I was driving it but still he was holding 250mph through the corners and he really did not have many chances at a fast lap due to lapping the other cars so often 
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- AERO_HDT
B-Spec drivers need to learn each course, just like you and I would if we were thrown into unknown territory in cars we had never driven. I find that a new circuit, new car, new opponents, I have a 50/50 chance of getting him to win. Bob's win ratio, funnily enough is about 50 percent which shows I'm no team manager, but I try and use comparable cars to the AI so that at least I end up with a reasonable race spectacle.
I find though that by the third attempt at a circuit in a given car, the B-Spec driver is a lot faster, a lot smoother and a lot more likely to overtake in all the right places. It's only early days yet, but I'm thinking that B-Spec drivers are going to be fun when matched online against each other.
Give them a break, they're AI, they're artificial and they don't require much work. They do however, need a bit of nurturing and a dose of patience!
I find though that by the third attempt at a circuit in a given car, the B-Spec driver is a lot faster, a lot smoother and a lot more likely to overtake in all the right places. It's only early days yet, but I'm thinking that B-Spec drivers are going to be fun when matched online against each other.
Give them a break, they're AI, they're artificial and they don't require much work. They do however, need a bit of nurturing and a dose of patience!
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- Conquerer13
B-Spec drivers need to learn each course, just like you and I would if we were thrown into unknown territory in cars we had never driven. I find that a new circuit, new car, new opponents, I have a 50/50 chance of getting him to win. Bob's win ratio, funnily enough is about 50 percent which shows I'm no team manager, but I try and use comparable cars to the AI so that at least I end up with a reasonable race spectacle.
I find though that by the third attempt at a circuit in a given car, the B-Spec driver is a lot faster, a lot smoother and a lot more likely to overtake in all the right places. It's only early days yet, but I'm thinking that B-Spec drivers are going to be fun when matched online against each other.
Give them a break, they're AI, they're artificial and they don't require much work. They do however, need a bit of nurturing and a dose of patience!
I'd be fine if the opponent AI were as horribly awful as my guys but they're not. It's not even close... They are way more advanced. It's extremely unfair. I'd love to see Kaz play B-Spec starting from level 0 and see how much fun he has, forcing him to use cars similar to his opponents.
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- tezster
There's an obvious element of frustration with B-Spec, but it's also very rewarding. And once you get past the frustration, it can be quite exciting to see Bob eeking out victories at the tougher races. I threw a level 12 Bob into Like the Wind Daytona (I had a lvl 19 driver but he had a down arrow status at that time and lvl 12 Bob had the up arrow). Guiding this guy to a win was equal parts frustration and joy, and 100% tension and excitement. I was screaming at him like a madman because he seemed to refuse to pass other cars given the opportunity. He was stuck in the middle of the pack for about half the race, then slowly started to make his way near the front.
With 3 laps to go he seemed to be perpetually stuck in 3rd, content to stay there no matter what I was ordering him to do. At that point, a Minolta passed him through the infield (I also gave my driver a Minolta), pushing him back to 4th. I can only describe what happened next as a light bulb going off in Bob's virtual brain - I can actually imagine him saying to himself '**** it! Enough of this s***!' because once he got passed he drove like a madman. Once out of the infield and through the oval section, he caught up to the other Minolta and almost completely took him out as he passed him! Best B Spec moment ever! The rival Minolta spun out as Bob drove away - never seen anything like it before. Back on the infield, Bob passed the lead two cars with very agressive racing moves i.e. actually going off the racing line - he almost drove like a human!
It was funny because he did all this with his mood meter on the extreme red, and both of his strength and mental strength bars completely depleted.
That was by far the most exciting B Spec race I've witnessed.
With 3 laps to go he seemed to be perpetually stuck in 3rd, content to stay there no matter what I was ordering him to do. At that point, a Minolta passed him through the infield (I also gave my driver a Minolta), pushing him back to 4th. I can only describe what happened next as a light bulb going off in Bob's virtual brain - I can actually imagine him saying to himself '**** it! Enough of this s***!' because once he got passed he drove like a madman. Once out of the infield and through the oval section, he caught up to the other Minolta and almost completely took him out as he passed him! Best B Spec moment ever! The rival Minolta spun out as Bob drove away - never seen anything like it before. Back on the infield, Bob passed the lead two cars with very agressive racing moves i.e. actually going off the racing line - he almost drove like a human!
It was funny because he did all this with his mood meter on the extreme red, and both of his strength and mental strength bars completely depleted.
That was by far the most exciting B Spec race I've witnessed.
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Someone pointed out a good way to win the oval races in B Spec. Create a new driver, level 0, and use him. I have won Like The Wind every single time doing this. For some reason, a new driver doesn't brake as much on the ovals. You do still have to give him the pace up order all the time to make sure he wins, but it is a lot less frustrating.
Other than the ovals, I actually kind of enjoy B Spec. It is a nice change of pace. This is the first GT I have played since GT 2, so I have no other game to compare the system used in this mode to. I always try to keep my drivers just above the middle, except on the ovals where I keep them red!
The Nascar was quite hard to do in B Spec, but again I had help from someone who gave me some pretty good settings to use.
Other than the ovals, I actually kind of enjoy B Spec. It is a nice change of pace. This is the first GT I have played since GT 2, so I have no other game to compare the system used in this mode to. I always try to keep my drivers just above the middle, except on the ovals where I keep them red!
The Nascar was quite hard to do in B Spec, but again I had help from someone who gave me some pretty good settings to use.
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- Rave2Grave
levelling up does nothing to help your driver get better for anything but enduros. I just want you all to know that. Please stop saying it does. Furthermore, STOP saying that your driver needs to learn the track. They do NOT learn. The key to getting Bob to drive like you or I would, is to give him a car that's tuned to the max, on the best tires, and weighs a good 200+kg less than the competition or has 100+hp more (preferably both, so you can just do nothing and walk away or check GTP.) Then he will overtake on the inside, stop braking early, etc.
Give Bob a car with equal or less HP or weighs more than the competition, and you will lose. Every time. Don't blame it on the level or on the Bob-needs-time-to-learn BS.
Give Bob a car with equal or less HP or weighs more than the competition, and you will lose. Every time. Don't blame it on the level or on the Bob-needs-time-to-learn BS.
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- nastradamus87
I seriously laugh out loud so hard at the B-Spec complaint threads. Peoples' descriptions of their drivers and frustrations are just so hilarious for some reason; maybe because I've experienced it myself.
HOWEVER, a few of my friends who are not avid racers came over to my house over the weekend to try out GT5 and my G27. I'll just say that it helped put the skill level of B-Spec drivers into perspective for me. Since then I get far less frustrated with my driver because at least he's better than my friends. True story.
HOWEVER, a few of my friends who are not avid racers came over to my house over the weekend to try out GT5 and my G27. I'll just say that it helped put the skill level of B-Spec drivers into perspective for me. Since then I get far less frustrated with my driver because at least he's better than my friends. True story.
Your driver does improve, it's just not a significant amount per level. You're not going to see a dramatic change but they do get slightly better.
If the second part of your post were true then the Formula GT/NASCAR races would not be winnable. My driver wins those races almost every time while I'm afk, without instructing him at all. If you tune your car appropriately for each race your driver will have no problem at higher levels.
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- Mercenary_Wez/jabtay
Its horrible. I have suffered through this all day. I gave him a fully modded GTI RM to race the hot European hatch challenge. he was very content in staying in 3rd. i would tell him to overtake a stock lupo and he would. then the next corner the lupo would pass again.
In other races, he would bump draft the lead car...on a straightaway and not in high gear. he would just sit there. i tell him to overtake, and he would start. but heaven forbid there be a corner coming up. he would start to brake and let the car past again. or the fact he will not power out of a corner until the car is straight.
very upsetting
In other races, he would bump draft the lead car...on a straightaway and not in high gear. he would just sit there. i tell him to overtake, and he would start. but heaven forbid there be a corner coming up. he would start to brake and let the car past again. or the fact he will not power out of a corner until the car is straight.
very upsetting
He is my problem with b spec it is not that drivers are stone stupid (even tho they are) or that cannot win with close cars (they can but you have to put a ton of effort into it) it is the sheer fact that when you work up a lead you have to keep spamming pace up else they will slow to a crawl on the track.
Since when do top drivers in a race slow down so the whole field not only catches up but passes them? At most they should pace down to 50% pace and only drop below that if they are tired. The whole drop in the crawl mode garbage is over blown and annoying.
The way they win races with op cars is that they get a lead pace down to zilch then when the field catches up and starts passing they get motivated to actually drive again and with a stupidly op car that just takes driving at maybe 40 50%.
I can live with them sitting behind slower cars half the time having the line and overbraking and letting the car they were past repass them, i can live with that stuff cause eventually they will get by. When they do they blow the car away. But they do it far too often. It is just stupid how annoying dense the whole mode is.
Yes you should have to nanny your noob racers properly to win, you should have to nanny them in even matched races. But once you nanny them into the lead that should be pretty much it period i should not have to tell my driver stop slowing down and let everyone catch you, speed the heck up you moron, over the car radio, tho that would be very funny to hear in formula 1 or real racing series.
Fix the pace down stuff and i could live more happily with b spec. My b spec guys are at level 24 with a 21, 20, 19, 12, and a new racer i have yet to make. So yes i know how to manage them yes i can win races with them. Yes given the right car i can afk and let them race away and win 90% of the time.
Since when do top drivers in a race slow down so the whole field not only catches up but passes them? At most they should pace down to 50% pace and only drop below that if they are tired. The whole drop in the crawl mode garbage is over blown and annoying.
The way they win races with op cars is that they get a lead pace down to zilch then when the field catches up and starts passing they get motivated to actually drive again and with a stupidly op car that just takes driving at maybe 40 50%.
I can live with them sitting behind slower cars half the time having the line and overbraking and letting the car they were past repass them, i can live with that stuff cause eventually they will get by. When they do they blow the car away. But they do it far too often. It is just stupid how annoying dense the whole mode is.
Yes you should have to nanny your noob racers properly to win, you should have to nanny them in even matched races. But once you nanny them into the lead that should be pretty much it period i should not have to tell my driver stop slowing down and let everyone catch you, speed the heck up you moron, over the car radio, tho that would be very funny to hear in formula 1 or real racing series.
Fix the pace down stuff and i could live more happily with b spec. My b spec guys are at level 24 with a 21, 20, 19, 12, and a new racer i have yet to make. So yes i know how to manage them yes i can win races with them. Yes given the right car i can afk and let them race away and win 90% of the time.
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I think I finally understand why the AI in this game is so crap. It's not just Bob, the whole AI system is deeply flawed. I watched the ending movie yesterday which opened my eyes.
There are page after page of names of people working on the landscapes and the car modelling. How many names working on AI? Just two. That's it. Six years of work on the most anticipated racing game for years and all they think they need to work on the AI is two people.
There are page after page of names of people working on the landscapes and the car modelling. How many names working on AI? Just two. That's it. Six years of work on the most anticipated racing game for years and all they think they need to work on the AI is two people.
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- Julian_Jazz
Agreed with the OP. I'm at level 25 and my driver still drives like Miss Daisy's in the back seat. This is an annoying and tedious mode that should never have been added to the game. And like you said, was fine in GT4.
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- GRANPWNISMOGam3r
To avoid my Bobs making mistakes I kept him way down on the cool but then he was driving too slow and FREAKING CIVICS were gaining on him in a McLaren F1!
So I keep him right around the middle, he still drives slow but he manages to pull away, and win.
My highest level Bob is at class 9 so I haven't gotten far, B-Spec level is 11 but yeah.
Maybe I'm just lucky. O_o
So I keep him right around the middle, he still drives slow but he manages to pull away, and win.
My highest level Bob is at class 9 so I haven't gotten far, B-Spec level is 11 but yeah.
Maybe I'm just lucky. O_o
I think the way it's setup makes sense. Granted they do drive a little too slowly in front, but if they're capable of reaching the front of the pack in the first place then they should be capable of maintaining that lead once second place is closing in on them.
The fact that they run cool when they have a lead prevents them from making mistakes, which beats having them take a lead and then drive recklessly to further build the lead and end up sabotaging the race by spinning out/crashing. They speed up when there's pressure behind them, but otherwise take it easy which is perfect if you don't feel like watching the race and maintaining him at the optimal pace.
I really don't understand why people have so much trouble with B-Spec. Yes, they could be far better drivers but they're racing other AI drivers who drive just like they do. Give them a decent vehicle, use the best tires possible, tune it for the track you're on and he'll win. I literally NEVER direct my driver, I don't give him a single command the entire race and it's extremely rare that he loses. He just won every Formula GT race in a car with 845HP due to engine degradation without me giving a single command. He has trouble on one or two tracks and that's only because I'm not tuning the car as well as I could be.
I think the issue is because at level 0 thru about level 12ish they are horrible period, lest when you race them with even cars. Or give them a good car with a ton of power and they just cannot handle it because they are low level plus they do not know the cars well. Drivers get used to certain car types, i started my drivers out on MR or FR cars because the vast majority of races will be in RWD cars. But give a level 0 noob even a nice stock BMW and watch them just spin the car out, run off the road etc. Even when paced down and people think omg these guys suck.
Stick with the driver and let him win or lose a few races in a BMW for example and he will get much better at driving that BMW, which i would guess carries over to other FR and maybe related to MR type cars, cause i can stick them in any car later on and they will handle it well even if they never been in it before.
Sometimes it is tires, you do not notice that this race allows comfort softs and you got comfort hards on. SOmetimes you just forget to change them before a race and wonder why your driver keeps running into stuff (yes i have done this).
But i disagree on the pace thing a driver can pace down to 10% 80% and they will not be making mistakes, well some might if they are total rhythm drivers and your asking them to slow down to save tires etc and it breaks their rhythm, but most drivers can drive slower np, it is when you are pushing to gain ground or pushing to hold off an opponent on your tail that your most likely to mess up and miss a braking point or take a turn too fast or put a tire off.
I just do not like that once your driver takes a lead he just soon drops to stroll speed which is just stupid, once you are in the lead barring massive exhaustion of your driver, or your chars chassis has just hit that brick wall and the car is very undrivable all of a sudden, they should never ever slow down to 0%. All that the game comes down to at this point is one AFK and hope he does go totally stupid and blow his lead and get passed at the very end of the race and lose, or sit there and push pace up on every straight and fast bend.
They should not drive flat out once they have a lead, but they should not just tool around so the entire field catches them without any effort. It would be nice to have an option in the game to set a default min/max pace setting, where more pace equals faster exhaustion, and less pace equals slower. That should be in the game really than this default decay bar. But since drivers can ignore orders they could ignore that to on occasion, just to keep things interesting.
Stick with the driver and let him win or lose a few races in a BMW for example and he will get much better at driving that BMW, which i would guess carries over to other FR and maybe related to MR type cars, cause i can stick them in any car later on and they will handle it well even if they never been in it before.
Sometimes it is tires, you do not notice that this race allows comfort softs and you got comfort hards on. SOmetimes you just forget to change them before a race and wonder why your driver keeps running into stuff (yes i have done this).
But i disagree on the pace thing a driver can pace down to 10% 80% and they will not be making mistakes, well some might if they are total rhythm drivers and your asking them to slow down to save tires etc and it breaks their rhythm, but most drivers can drive slower np, it is when you are pushing to gain ground or pushing to hold off an opponent on your tail that your most likely to mess up and miss a braking point or take a turn too fast or put a tire off.
I just do not like that once your driver takes a lead he just soon drops to stroll speed which is just stupid, once you are in the lead barring massive exhaustion of your driver, or your chars chassis has just hit that brick wall and the car is very undrivable all of a sudden, they should never ever slow down to 0%. All that the game comes down to at this point is one AFK and hope he does go totally stupid and blow his lead and get passed at the very end of the race and lose, or sit there and push pace up on every straight and fast bend.
They should not drive flat out once they have a lead, but they should not just tool around so the entire field catches them without any effort. It would be nice to have an option in the game to set a default min/max pace setting, where more pace equals faster exhaustion, and less pace equals slower. That should be in the game really than this default decay bar. But since drivers can ignore orders they could ignore that to on occasion, just to keep things interesting.
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I have no idea how you guys are saying you can compete properly at Daytona. I've tried making the brake balance 1:1 and he still loses in any car that isn't able to regain the places he loses before/during the corners once he's back on the straight.
Why does he constantly slow down way more than every other driver on the track?!
Why does he constantly slow down way more than every other driver on the track?!
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