B-Spec useless?

I am REALLY starting to HATE this game. I hate to say it since I am a huge GT fan. Got my PS2 soley for GT3, and 2 PS3s just for GT5 (considering I got my 1st one when they came out, expecting GT5 to be out when it was suppose to), but this game has been nothing but trouble. Between the worthless idiotic B- Spec drivers, the BGM glitch that NEVER wants to play your own music for longer the one race, before it either decides to switch back to its horrible default music, or nothing at all, the fact that alot of races are impossible to beat without the right, or required cars, that always seem to be unattainable, ect. I have about had it with this game and im on the verge of just selling it along with my PS3 to some other poor fool. I used to joke to the gamestop guys about it being the "Chinese Democracy" of the Playstation *citing the fact that The G 'N R album that took 15 years to come out, with constant delays, totally sucked and bombed when it did*, but now I think it is more true then a joke. Which is sad. I will say I will NOT be looking forward to GT6 and honestly if it isnt much better then this, they should just hang it up here. And this again, coming from a die hard fan since '97...:banghead:
 
With all its SUPER ridiculous flaws I've always been a B-Spec fan especially the GT4 B-Spec. There are some really good moments in B-Spec but unfortunately you have to go through the bad to experience them sometimes. I dont want to see B-Spec go away. Just improve the obvious idiocy with it PD thanks.

Case in point: I started the 24 Hours of Nurburgring. Raining as usual as you can see from the pre race start screen. You can never tell if its a downpour or just a drizzle, as they both look very similar, so you really play Russian Roulette on tire choice between slicks, intermediates and rains. Seriously Ive seen my driver and the computer drivers pit in DOWNPOUR RAIN and put on slicks and go fast lol. No rooster tails etc like the track was dry but during a downpour lol. They need to give you a weather report before the race because the Rain shaders arent accurate enough for you to decide which tire.

Anyway on to the race. I'm in my Peugeot 908 HDI[Never lost with this car]. I leave with my level 40 Bobs, in the Blue Zone, comfortably in the lead and running away consistantly from that Peskyrollo C60 Hybride and the others. I checked on about 22 1/2 hours later to find myself in 4th place, a lap and a half down, in dry weather but with Hard Slicks on:crazy: while the computer racers are on Medium Slicks. Why didn't my level 40 duffus choose Medium or Soft Slicks.

This actually was the beginning of the most fun time Ive had in GT5's B-Spec section. Man I Max Red Zoned my Bobs for the rest of the race to barely come back from that far down to win by about 30 seconds. That was a rush. I still don't know what happened to cause this 4th place and lap down situation. Ive never lost with the car on any track, any series etc even when doing 24 hours races and not checking in till race was done.

There's a lot of great stuff in GT5 but too much silly programming mistakes, not well thought out ideas poorly implemented and time wasting silly stuff that takes away from the fun. Fix those and we have a gem.
 
cairnz
Here's my lv37 on tsukuba 9hr...

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This NEVER stops happening to your Bobs no matter how high level they get. The frequency of it happening drops drastically as you level the bums up. That's it. I have 5 Level 40 dunces and while they are capable of driving there butts off from time to time man they just consistently go off track on every race track in the game. And it always seems to be on the same corner. Exactly that corner in your vid my high level fools all seem to go off almost every lap. Most of the time though they dont spin out but it kills there lap times. Le Sarthe they almost always go off, every second lap like clockwork, at that sharp turn after the end of the long straightaway. I can go on but you get the picture lol. It is quite infuriating and makes me hate B-Spec at times because it feels like you wasted all that electricity to these guys from low level fools to high level fools. I dont like fools. I pity the fools.
 
I still fondly remember my first bob. Then again maybe I don't since I deleted him at LVL 4. He was driving so horrible even though I was giving him high level cars....

So then I rerolled a new bob and got him to like L21 now. I concluded that the lower level bobs are just really noobish...

Last night I had tough time getting him to win that lamborghini gallardo one make race even though I could've sworn he had over 100+ hp advantage & was now L21. once again Bob placed like 5th even though I tried to coach him pretty much the whole way. So anyway I just kept modding the car gradually until he placed 1st. Granted, I have troubles with that same car, lamborghini gallardo. So I couldn't hate for not being able to drive. Still, I couldnt understand why he refused to pass the other cars.... But then maybe the tires were setup wrong as well cause I noticed he was lacking grip. So after adding more +hp and chasis rigidity he finally smoked it

Anyway I usually just AFK my bob and give him overpowered cars ftw. So I normally dont pay attention to what hes doing. So dont have too many complaints. I really just enjoy watching my cars driving around the track and not having to lift a finger too much.

I do get annoyed when Bob slows down after he gets comfortable. He'll even do it when he's not in the lead. I guess they do this so we have to pay some attention to the race.

Sometimes bob seems to ignore all my commands even when properly timed. Other times he seems to listen. I guess i dont too much care that much. I just want him to keep earning me more cars & money

My only main wish is that i hate Bob races being twice as long as the A-spec ones
 
MGS2 Snake
Oh boy... Yet another useless thread complaining about B-Spec.:rolleyes:
Someone, please close this.;)
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I'm sure it will happen soon. B-Spec bashing threads are like weeds, they just won't go away! :crazy:

Apparently people have a lot of frustration about the existence of B-Spec. Enough that they feel an urge to unleash said frustration upon the GTP Forums.
 
People who don't like B-Spec are people without patience... I really enjoy B-Spec now when my Bob acctually follows my commands ;)

And he really seem to like the 2J Chaparral.. No matter what commands I give him with that car, he simply won't lose (meaning he always wins). :dopey:
 
ViLLaiN
Who needs patience? You just start a race and walk away! :lol:
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I find it quite fun and entertaining to give Bob commands... It's fun to see him struggle in 8th or whatever place then you give the overtake command and suddenly he is 1st... And if you don't keep giving him commands he'll just fall back again...

And use of the X1 on B-Spec is just pathetic....

B-Spec is there to be challenging.. Not just a event where you press Start and come back to collect the money like most people thinks and does...

Oh well.. Guess im on of the few left with real passion for the game...
 
Ive been driving online races now for more than a month, and I can assure you, that the skills of the average human racer are way below the skills of Bob and even the worst of the AI. Not to mention that a lot of humans tend to try to slam you of the track, if you have the audacity to overtake them.

Try it yourself.

Bspec is about tuning your car for the events without overpowering, but balancing your car. Teaches you a lot about handling.
 
ID_racing
Ive been driving online races now for more than a month, and I can assure you, that the skills of the average human racer are way below the skills of Bob and even the worst of the AI. Not to mention that a lot of humans tend to try to slam you of the track, if you have the audacity to overtake them.

Try it yourself.

Bspec is about tuning your car for the events without overpowering, but balancing your car. Teaches you a lot about handling.
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The AI is much better than people are giving them credit for. Yes, Bob can do stupid stuff. I've just watched Level 21 Bob through 5 long races in the FGT Championship, and he utterly kicked butt. He pulled off passes at Monaco that were unreal (including three in the hairpin). Honestly, he drove like Gilles Villeneuve, style-wise. It was just like watching the French-Canadian in a modern GP car.

But tuning the car just a bit is all that's needed to give Bob the edge.
 
McSoap-90
I find it quite fun and entertaining to give Bob commands... It's fun to see him struggle in 8th or whatever place then you give the overtake command and suddenly he is 1st... And if you don't keep giving him commands he'll just fall back again...

And use of the X1 on B-Spec is just pathetic....

B-Spec is there to be challenging.. Not just a event where you press Start and come back to collect the money like most people thinks and does...

Oh well.. Guess im on of the few left with real passion for the game...
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Come back to me with that "passion for the game" when you start your 3rd 24hr LeMans. Are you going to babysit Bob in a BMW McLaren for 24 hours straight? Repeatedly?

Also, get off your high-horse. These forums don't need condescending remarks on "real passion." You are pretty much saying that you play GT5 in a superior fashion than me, solely because I had a "set-it-and-forget-it" attitude towards B-Spec. 👎
 
One good thing about this game is that you can put as much or as little as you want into a particular aspect. If B-spec doesn't float your boat, "set-it-and-forget-it" is awesome. I mean, why force people to go through something they don't prefer?

I happen to like it, and we can choose how much of a challenge we want from it. For the guys who don't like it, I wish there was a way to speed it up instead of committing their PS3's to 24 hours of uninterrupted boredom.

I'm very entertained by it, but it's expecting a lot from people to set the box aside for 24 straight hours instead of actually doing the racing they wanted to do.

What might be a nice feature would be if you could set it up to speed through a B-spec race, BUT give greater rewards depending on how much you fast forward. Somebody doing the race for a full 24 hours would get a boatload of cash and maybe a nicer car than somebody setting it to run for 2 hours. But the guy doing it for 2 hours can still get the gold, and if they have problems, can come back to it over and over without the big 24 hour headache.
 
I agree with that ^^^^ and to be honest, I enjoyed having to coach/babysit my drivers throughout some of the events, but not all of them, repeatedly...
 
ViLLaiN
I enjoyed having to coach/babysit my drivers throughout some of the events, but not all of them, repeatedly...
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Yeah, it makes me wonder how much play-testing they did. Did they play-test any 24 hour events, and after one hour they said "awesome", but never checked back to see how they'd feel after 4 hours, 12 hours, etc?

I think they missed a great opportunity here. They could have done it like they did in GT4, where you shared the driving duty with the B-spec driver. But where they REALLY missed it was sharing the driving responsibilities with friends.

So Villain, when you pull into the pits, you should get a drop-down for the driver. One option would be for you to continue driving. Another option would be for one of your B-spec drivers to drive. The option they really missed is that the drop-down should list your in-game friends, and if you wanted to pass the driving duties to ElSecundo, I'd pick up an hour or two, drive your car with your tune, then pass it back to you when I hit the pits. I'd get some of the cash, and maybe a lesser car as my prize for helping out.

Instead, they force one person to cover all the driving duties, and even if you do 4 hours each day, it still takes 6 days where you can't do anything else with the PS3, and have to leave it turned on the whole time. This was play-tested, and the team said "yeah, that's the way we want it"?

What an awesome challenge that would be -- they put up one car for everyone to use, and you could have up to four live drivers on your team, and you try to set a 24 hour record. Maybe give the teams 48 or 72 hours to get it done.
 
Right, I remember all of that from GT4. It's okay, though. I'm done with B-Spec anyways ;)
 
The reason people are getting pissed off, is that the AI could be much smarter. Instead of following the racing line, they should be able to think on their own, that's what real AI is. Also, there are some trophies involving b-spec that they might want to get, but the drivers always waste their time by screwing up nonstop. For example, the historic car cup, i beat it in a dodge challenger R/T RM on my first try. My Bob on the other hand, had to use a Toyota 7. He got 1st place on the first place, but 2nd on the second race. He's lvl 21 and still screws up, mostly because of the terrible driving line. I like the idea of b-spec, but there are too many problems with it to enjoy it properly.
 
Most complaints regarding B-spec seem to be around Bob failing to adapt. He keeps crashing in the same spot, or he keeps braking in the wrong place, or he can't make a pass. He's 'AI', and he should be able to figure it out, right?

But let's face it, Bob isn't truly AI. AI doesn't actually exist yet (as far as we know), so it's up to the team managers (that's us) to adapt. If we keep losing in B-spec, it's because we keep failing to adapt.

There are clearly some guys who 'get' B-spec. They've learned how to get good results, and while they might have a minor complaint about Bob here or there, Bob works for them. There is a skill to B-spec, and if it isn't working for you, maybe it's time to re-think the approach.

I didn't get it either, but then I started thinking about how a real driver might respond to radio communications every three seconds. Or how he would respond to being told to 'go faster', when he's already pushing as hard as he can. Once I started treating Bob more like a human driver, and figuring out how to keep him calm in the heat of battle, the B-spec wins started to pile up. Now Bob rarely loses, even below level 20, and Bob has surprised me with some really fantastic maneuvers.

If he has a hard time in one part of the track, start calming him down before he gets there. Once he gets through it, pace him back up again. You'll find Bob's lap times will improve, and he'll wreck a lot less. Pick good spots to pass -- don't keep telling to pass in a place where someone is 99% likely to slam the door in his face (and create a large gap that's hard for him to overcome). Don't tell him to pass when he's out of striking range. Stuff like that.

Good luck, guys. Give it a little thought, and see how it goes for you. 👍
 
I hated B-Spec at first. I would get upset enough to retire a race early. Then Bobby-boy started to improve. Now the Bob I started with is at level 30 and the other five range from level 15 to 27. They do well. They have made me money and won cars for me. Plus I enjoy watching the races and seeing the other cars that I am up against.
 
Snakebitten
Anyway on to the race. I'm in my Peugeot 908 HDI[Never lost with this car]. I leave with my level 40 Bobs, in the Blue Zone, comfortably in the lead and running away consistantly from that Peskyrollo C60 Hybride and the others. I checked on about 22 1/2 hours later to find myself in 4th place, a lap and a half down, in dry weather but with Hard Slicks on:crazy: while the computer racers are on Medium Slicks. Why didn't my level 40 duffus choose Medium or Soft Slicks.

This actually was the beginning of the most fun time Ive had in GT5's B-Spec section. Man I Max Red Zoned my Bobs for the rest of the race to barely come back from that far down to win by about 30 seconds. That was a rush. I still don't know what happened to cause this 4th place and lap down situation. Ive never lost with the car on any track, any series etc even when doing 24 hours races and not checking in till race was done.
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That is in fact a bug in the 908 HDI programming. It will revert to racing hards after some time for some reason. No other car does this, at least none that I have raced with.
 
It could have been about a 1000 times better. Even seeing the B spec sig edition comp first hand, which pretty much made people look into every nook and cranny of the B spec mode and extact everthing it has, there was nothing more to it than most of the time pressing pace up and overtake on some areas (actually sometimes pace up would cause your driver to actually overtake and overtake would make him get stuck behind the car your trying to overtake which makes it even more laughable)

Then in some cases if your tyres were wearing out you have to pace down. Thats pretty much as complex as it gets. The most important aspect is probably have to luck out with your drivers stats.

There is no learning or team stragegy involved like there should have been. You should have been able to tell your driver what he is doing wrong and what he is doing right and how to improve.
 
Just think about it from a developer perspective. They had all the pieces together since they had to create AI drivers. So, with just a bit more effort, they could create an interface for users to direct the AI. So, they get a "feature" (which they unfortunately padded to to half of the game) to get more mileage out of the game.

Do I wish if they never included it? No. I do enjoy watching Bob's antics when I'm too tired to race my self. I also enjoy the prizes and money.
 
89FC3S
The whole b-spec thing in general to me is pointless. GT was always a drivers game and should remain that way. B-spec is not a full racing management sim, so why bother? It's resources PD could have better put into a-spec, and overall I think it's a complete burden to the game.
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Right, i think you're being too friendly towards B Spec, if my opinion on B Spec would be written here it would be rewarded with a ban.., IT'S THAT #***!!!
WHY T H. pd MADE THIS ABONIABLE USELESS PIECE OF..., common pd put your thinking hats on, your WASTED time on this, and GT5 could use that time very well on the cars for instance, becouse standard cars look bad !!!
Make cars PREMIUM, get A Spec 99% right first, AND THEN, IF THERE'S TIME LEFT, ABUSE IT TO MAKE B Spec rubish.
Greetings stano(very anrgy at pd right now)666
 
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B Spec is more frustrating at the beginning. Low skill drivers can't drive well. Personally, I think that's a great dynamic.

I do wish they had a 3X option, but I think that was technically impossible at max sim level (I would love an option to reduce the sim in exchange for speed, and GT5 should consider that, given they tolerate standard level cars and therefore are not purists about quality).

But there's a lot more to B spec than level. Some Bobs are better with some tracks and cars than others. You have to figure that out. You can hire bobs with different skills for cornering, etc, with certain cars and tracks in mind. That's what I did, and I've had much less trouble with bad Bobs than most of you guys seem to have.

If you were a real race team owner, you would hire drivers for series they were suited for. I have a MR sharp handling guy and a FR high speed guy and others in between, and it's worked quite well.

B spec is a great part of GT5, and I hope it's always around. When I first played Gran Turismo 1, I had just joined the Army, and it was my buddy's Playstation. He doesn't have both hands anymore, and we are both out of the service, and we still hang out and play GT5. He is great at tuning cars and managing his Bobs, and totally able to enjoy this racing came.

I bet there are a lot of people who just can't drive, but want to experience racing and tuning, and the little bits of challenge in B Spec mean they get a full game instead of a tacked on easy mode like in GT4.
 
Well there's can't drive well and THERE'S CAN'T DRIVE AT ALL, BEING SUCH A S¿!#¥ (excuse my french) DRIVER YOU SHOULD'NT DRIVE TRICYCLES.
10 TIMES i tryed, once he did ok -a bit dodgy but ok enough- 4 times he sucked and 5!!! times HE DID IT TREMENDIOUSLY LOUSY, STUPID, IGNOURANT... etc. !!! I EVEN TOLD HIM 4 TIMES TO SLOW DOWN YET HE RAN OF A STREIGHT ROAD, i tryed not telling, telling once, i tryed enough , THERE IS NO EXCUSE IN THE WORLD FOR HIS BIHAVIOUR!!! YET HE DID RAN OF A STREIGHT ROAD MULTIPLE TIMES. Come on pd get your **** together finish 1 thing properly, for me it's PREMIUM CARS first, bspec, gtacademy, fotolocations, gttv and such second, others might disagree with me but it says DRIVING SIMULATOR on the GT5 box, so stick with that before doing other stuff please.
Greetings stano(got to stop for now)666
 
stano666
Well there's can't drive well and THERE'S CAN'T DRIVE AT ALL, BEING SUCH A S¿!#¥ (excuse my french) DRIVER YOU SHOULD'NT DRIVE TRICYCLES.
10 TIMES i tryed, once he did ok -a bit dodgy but ok enough- 4 times he sucked and 5!!! times HE DID IT TREMENDIOUSLY LOUSY, STUPID, IGNOURANT... etc. !!! I EVEN TOLD HIM 4 TIMES TO SLOW DOWN YET HE RAN OF A STREIGHT ROAD, i tryed not telling, telling once, i tryed enough , THERE IS NO EXCUSE IN THE WORLD FOR HIS BIHAVIOUR!!! YET HE DID RAN OF A STREIGHT ROAD MULTIPLE TIMES. Come on pd get your **** together finish 1 thing properly, for me it's PREMIUM CARS first, bspec, gtacademy, fotolocations, gttv and such second, others might disagree with me but it says DRIVING SIMULATOR on the GT5 box, so stick with that before doing other stuff please.
Greetings stano(got to stop for now)666
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Can you write that in a language which someone else than you can understand?

https://www.gtplanet.net/aup/
 
My B spec drivers drive really well. They won their first races, too.

B spec is a challenge. It's not easy. If you lack the skill to play the game, don't complain that the game is too hard. The problem is you.

You have to think carefully when picking a driver, and then tailor a car to his talents. This is a lot of fun at the beginning, if you're a tuner.

Even at low levels, my Bob won a lot of races. And it was difficult to accomplish, but I learned a lot about tuning.

And before long, Bob learned to drive as well as most of the people populating this thread to bash B spec. In fact, I would pit 100% of my Bobs against Stano666 on Nurbugring in a car capable of a sub 8 minute lap. Let's see who really is the best driver.

That's not to say there aren't many ways to improve B spec. Why can't we share a race, like in GT4? I wish we could increase the speed of the race many times over. Remote Racing could be a lot less clunky, IMO.
 
There are no excuses (cardiac arrest maybe) to drive of a straight road. I'm glad i got the game as a gift from a friend who bought it second hand, luckily it has strong points aswell, fact is it doesn't look completely finished. It could do well without bspec, gtacademy, fototravel, it could do better with more premium cars (without that much shaking of the onboardcamera btw) for instance. I too think it's easy to bash bspec they made it so easy to bash bspec, allmost impossible not to bash bspec.
I'm not the only one who thinks this apparently.
Greetings stano(perfectly clear & finished on this subject)666
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