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[JKgo]

...A sudden influx of spoilers? Hmm, nothing spoiler-ish about those infos...

One of the stories coming out of SDCC is that Metropolis and Gotham are literally a stone's throw from one another. Like, across a river literally.

 

[Sanji Himura]

...A sudden influx of spoilers? Hmm, nothing spoiler-ish about those infos...

One of the stories coming out of SDCC is that Metropolis and Gotham are literally a stone's throw from one another. Like, across a river literally.

It was never established in the comics where Gotham (or Metropolis for that matter) is from any real world cities. Most people do associate Gotham to more of a Chicago-like city because of the heavy influence of the mob (Falcone in Gotham) and Metropolis to New York (despite the fact that the city really does exist in the DC universe. *See my previous posts). The only argument that cities can be a stone's throw from each other can be made is actually, to the best of my knowledge, is Keystone and Central cities. Most, if not all, of the flashes reside in one or both of those cities (two well known flashes, Barry Allen and Wally West, actually defended both cities (Central for Barry, Keystone for Wally)).

 

[JKgo]

It was never established in the comics where Gotham (or Metropolis for that matter) is from any real world cities. Most people do associate Gotham to more of a Chicago-like city because of the heavy influence of the mob (Falcone in Gotham) and Metropolis to New York (despite the fact that the city really does exist in the DC universe. *See my previous posts). The only argument that cities can be a stone's throw from each other can be made is actually, to the best of my knowledge, is Keystone and Central cities. Most, if not all, of the flashes reside in one or both of those cities (two well known flashes, Barry Allen and Wally West, actually defended both cities (Central for Barry, Keystone for Wally)).

...Okay, maybe I wasn't 100% clear - the story coming out of SDCC is that, for this DC Cinematic Universe, and for BVS specifically, Snyder and Co. have "allegedly" gone with a geographical setting of Gotham and Metropolis right across the bay from one another.

There was news of Flash movie coming out too, although I haven't been following that development so no idea what's cooking there.

 

[niky]

Trailer takes it from a 5/10 for the previous teaser to a 7/10. A late 8/10, though, thanks to Jesse Eisenberg... errh... Luthor chanting: "The Red Capes are coming!" A gritty movie like this needs a little humor like that.

 

[FoolKiller]

[QUOTE="JKgo, post: 10847464, member: 260245There was news of Flash movie coming out too, although I haven't been following that development so no idea what's cooking there.[/QUOTE]
Last I heard the script was being worked on but it has been a few months.

Some are waiting to see what kind of movie they can pull off with fans' expectations being high due to The Flash TV series being considered one of the best superhero television shows ever.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Now that is a trailer, holy 🤬

 

[JKgo]

... Now what exactly is going on here, I wonder? Another official pic from WB. Liberty Files? Hmm?

Edit: Aaannd, WB has released Suicide Squad trailer from SDCC.

Check out Batman hanging on to.. Jokermobile(?)

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'm sold on Affleck. I'd never buy him as the Bale-era Bats, but as a grizzled, (even more) cynical Bruce? Yep.

This new Joker though? Nope, still not convinced.

 

[niky]

I'm sold on Affleck. I'd never buy him as the Bale-era Bats, but as a grizzled, (even more) cynical Bruce? Yep.

This new Joker though? Nope, still not convinced.

Will have to wait to see more.

But yes, it appears Affleck has got "older" Bruce Wayne down. Surprisingly. If they manage to pull this movie off, and the new Batman title, he may just go from zero to hero in the eyes of nerds everywhere.

Might even make up for Daredevil.

Might.

 

[FoolKiller]

Check out Batman hanging on to.. Jokermobile(?)

Sure it's Batman? In the scene where they (or someone) were in costumes (guy in a panda suit was most obvious)shooting things up there is a split second of someone in a clearly store-bought batman costume also.

Will have to wait to see more.

But yes, it appears Affleck has got "older" Bruce Wayne down. Surprisingly. If they manage to pull this movie off, and the new Batman title, he may just go from zero to hero in the eyes of nerds everywhere.

Might even make up for Daredevil.

Might.

He actually might not have to shake it off with the younger generation. The Daredevil they know is on Netflix, and is fantastic.

 

[JKgo]

Sure it's Batman?

...It's the cape.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Will have to wait to see more.

But yes, it appears Affleck has got "older" Bruce Wayne down. Surprisingly. If they manage to pull this movie off, and the new Batman title, he may just go from zero to hero in the eyes of nerds everywhere.

Might even make up for Daredevil.

Might.

What @FoolKiller said, basically. I'm more worried by the news of Electra being in Daredevil's upcoming season...

Sure it's Batman? In the scene where they (or someone) were in costumes (guy in a panda suit was most obvious)shooting things up there is a split second of someone in a clearly store-bought batman costume also.

I'm sure, since Affleck was here in Toronto last month filming that scene not too far away from the office.

 

[FoolKiller]

What @FoolKiller said, basically. I'm more worried by the news of Electra being in Daredevil's upcoming season...

They already hinted about her in Season 1. They talked about him once dating a "Greek Girl." There was also Nobu who attacked Daredevil in a red ninja garb. The Hand were known for their red ninja garb, and Elektra has been involved with The Hand in the past. If I had to guess, I would say that Elektra's appearance will be as an assassin for The Hand and only when they realize who the other person is does she quit trying to kill him. Another possibility is that she is sent to off Fisk to prevent their involvement from being known and Daredevil has to protect him. That would actually work well in the blurring of good and bad morality struggle the show focuses on.

But I think that when you take away the movie, the Jennifer Garner, and start fresh with a ninja assassin in the world created by Daredevil that you will get something much better.

This should go in the Defenders thread.

I'm sure, since Affleck was here in Toronto last month filming that scene not too far away from the office.

Well, then, I stand corrected.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

But yes, it appears Affleck has got "older" Bruce Wayne down. Surprisingly.

The ultimate success or failure of any film that pits Batman against Superman is going to come down to how well the actor playing Batman carries the Bruce Wayne persona. Even moreso here, given that the premise is humanity rejecting Superman as a saviour figure and Wayne deciding that he is a threat. If Affleck has got it down, the big risk he faces is that his Bruce Wayne will be too similar to his other world-weary characters.

 

[JKgo]

...I'm surprised no-one here has spoken about Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman casting choice. She got your approvals then, eh?

From the trailer, I can sort of see why WB bosses went with her - tall, brunette, reasonably exotic and athletic. As far as her acting abilities go, well, she can smile and pout her way out, right?

Also, maybe it was just to show how good Gadot looks as WW, amount of her scenes in the trailer makes me think maybe her role's a lot more than a "extended cameo". Makes me wonder how Aquaman and other rumored cameos will figure into its presumably two and a half hour-long running time...

 

[niky]

We won't know until we know. Never really understood the resistance to Gadot... until she shows us that she can't act or can't pull off a character, there's no reason to believe she'll suck at the role.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

...I'm surprised no-one here has spoken about Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman casting choice. She got your approvals then, eh?

From the trailer, I can sort of see why WB bosses went with her - tall, brunette, reasonably exotic and athletic. As far as her acting abilities go, well, she can smile and pout her way out, right?

Also, maybe it was just to show how good Gadot looks as WW, amount of her scenes in the trailer makes me think maybe her role's a lot more than a "extended cameo". Makes me wonder how Aquaman and other rumored cameos will figure into its presumably two and a half hour-long running time...

We won't know until we know. Never really understood the resistance to Gadot... until she shows us that she can't act or can't pull off a character, there's no reason to believe she'll suck at the role.

It was mentioned in the WW thread. It will be interesting to see how she pulls off the roll as an actor. She is generally not much of a fighter in her movies. I know they said they "beefed her up" for the role as WW. As eye candy, well she has that nailed IMO. I think she did a great job in F&F.

 

[JKgo]

...So then the word on the Interwebz is, Robin's already dead in this cinematic universe. Unconfirmed, of course.

Hmm, Suicide Squad tie-in incoming?

 

[Sanji Himura]

...So then the word on the Interwebz is, Robin's already dead in this cinematic universe. Unconfirmed, of course.

Hmm, Suicide Squad tie-in incoming?

There are a few key points where you could make the case (and by the way, every DC movie since Man of Steel is working in continuity with each other, like Marvel is doing). Bruce holding a newspaper that has red writing on it saying that he failed his family is one indicator (the assumption being made here is that Joker sent it to him by way of Wayne Manor). The second indicator is actually the image that you posted, since the Snyder-verse Joker will make his first appearance in Suicide Squad. Finally, the last couple of indicators is actually found in the Suicide Squad trailer itself, one being Batman hitching a ride on a car presumably being driven by the Joker, and another being the appearance of Joker himself in the trailer with electroshock therapy instruments. The latter of the two in the Suicide Squad trailer might be the scene where Joker kills Robin (Jason Todd presumably).

 

[JKgo]

There are a few key points where you could make the case (and by the way, every DC movie since Man of Steel is working in continuity with each other, like Marvel is doing). Bruce holding a newspaper that has red writing on it saying that he failed his family is one indicator (the assumption being made here is that Joker sent it to him by way of Wayne Manor). The second indicator is actually the image that you posted, since the Snyder-verse Joker will make his first appearance in Suicide Squad. Finally, the last couple of indicators is actually found in the Suicide Squad trailer itself, one being Batman hitching a ride on a car presumably being driven by the Joker, and another being the appearance of Joker himself in the trailer with electroshock therapy instruments. The latter of the two in the Suicide Squad trailer might be the scene where Joker kills Robin (Jason Todd presumably).

...A good observation. With Robin dead, presumably by Leto's Joker as a flashback sequence in Suicide Squad, this could open doors for Red Hood story arc. A few months ago I watched a bunch of animated DC films and one of them was Under the Red Hood. Jensen Ackles did a great VO there.

Incidentally, the Batman Arkham game features....

Spoiler: Arkham Knight

...Jason Todd as the Arkham Knight...

...Wouldn't that be cool to turn into a live-action Batflick in the future?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

With Robin dead, presumably by Leto's Joker as a flashback sequence in Suicide Squad, this could open doors for Red Hood story arc.

That's probably too complex for one film. Especially one introducing an ensemble of supervillains. It's not just the Joker who will be appearing in Suicide Squad, but Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer Croc and a few others. Jason Todd's origin is deeply rooted in the mythology of Robin, and his resurrection as Red Hood would likely require the Lazarus Pits to have some presence in the films.

 

[JKgo]

That's probably too complex for one film. Especially one introducing an ensemble of supervillains. It's not just the Joker who will be appearing in Suicide Squad, but Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer Croc and a few others. Jason Todd's origin is deeply rooted in the mythology of Robin, and his resurrection as Red Hood would likely require the Lazarus Pits to have some presence in the films.

...Not in the Suicide Squad movie, I agree. But for the future solo Batflicks, this is tantamount to leaving a hook for the next story arc.
As for S.S movie, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ayer & Co. decide to forego (or drastically shorten) the intros of all the "heroes" bar a few recognizable ones, like Harley and Deadshot (since scenes with Smith and a little girl was filmed apparently).
There were strong rumours of Joker only making an extended cameo in S.S movie too, so the scenes in the trailer could be almost all the footage shot for the intended final cut. Hopefully not.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

...Not in the Suicide Squad movie, I agree. But for the future solo Batflicks, this is tantamount to leaving a hook for the next story arc.

I can't see them doing it. They've already produced a filmic version of Jason Todd. They've already lost ground to Marvel in kick-starting their shared universe; so re-treading ground that they have already covered seems like a bad idea.

 

[JKgo]

I can't see them doing it. They've already produced a filmic version of Jason Todd. They've already lost ground to Marvel in kick-starting their shared universe; so re-treading ground that they have already covered seems like a bad idea.

...Well, not gonna say I know what the future plans of WB are, but the death of Robin is one of the most important story arcs in Batman's existence. And it hadn't been covered in live action films yet (almost ) so it is simply a possibility; Bruce Wayne hanging up his cape after failing to save Jason (or whoever the creative team decides to kill off) seems like a nice and open-ended story hook to me. With emergence of Supes, Wayne's anger at his inability to save people - the way he failed to save Robin - breaks surface and makes him confront the Last Son of Krypton.
And at the end, they join hands and sing kumbaya while handing the real bad guy an ass whupping.

Oh wait, I just spoiled the whole movie, didn't I?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wayne blamed himself for Todd's death because he promoted Todd too soon, and didn't really iron out the impetuous streak that he developed. Todd had the spirit of a Robin, but lacked discipline, and Wayne knew it, just as he always knew that his war on crime would come with casualties. Going back over that would be a mistake, because it's based on a narrow, highly conditioned aspect of his psyche.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Wayne blamed himself for Todd's death because he promoted Todd too soon, and didn't really iron out the impetuous streak that he developed. Todd had the spirit of a Robin, but lacked discipline, and Wayne knew it, just as he always knew that his war on crime would come with casualties. Going back over that would be a mistake, because it's based on a narrow, highly conditioned aspect of his psyche.

While Jason may be the more prominent of the people killed in the incident, let's not forget who sold him out in the first place, his mother. To my knowledge, Todd was one of two male Robins that actually had relatives (Dick Grayson had his family killed by Tony Zucco, Tim Drake's father was killed by Captain Boomerang and Damien Wayne's father was Batman) alive before assuming the Robin role. While Joker killing Robin may be in the cards at some point, we always have to point out that when they announced the release dates for all of these movies, there would be a solo batman film and a proper Man of Steel sequel stashed in there somewhere.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

True - but there is so much more in the way of interesting stuff that they could do. This is really an opportunity for the film-makers to run with the thing that Nolan didn't do and which Burton attempted but didn't really execute all that well: Batman as a beacon for mad supervillains.

 

[JKgo]

...Since this thread haven't received attention for a while, I'll just leave this here:

....

...Oh and what up with the rumor of Snyder's own kid being cast as Jason aka Robin for flashback sequences? Nepotism much?

 

[FoolKiller]

...Oh and what up with the rumor of Snyder's own kid being cast as Jason aka Robin for flashback sequences? Nepotism much?

Nearly Zack Snyder's entire career is nepotism. Look at the producer credits. Deborah Snyder is his wife.

 

[niky]

...Since this thread haven't received attention for a while, I'll just leave this here:

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...Oh and what up with the rumor of Snyder's own kid being cast as Jason aka Robin for flashback sequences? Nepotism much?

While normally, I'd say yes and roll my eyes along with you, the kid played young Leonidas in 300... and he did pretty good there. He's got the physical ability and look, I think, to pass as a pretty good Jason Todd.

True - but there is so much more in the way of interesting stuff that they could do. This is really an opportunity for the film-makers to run with the thing that Nolan didn't do and which Burton attempted but didn't really execute all that well: Batman as a beacon for mad supervillains.

It was a real shame. They suggested as much at the end of the first Nolan movie... started off strong by doing the Joker and Two-Face (poor Two-Face... never gets a movie to himself... always has to play second fiddle to another villain!), then went straight for the franchise-ending Bane, avoiding an extended rogue gallery altogether.