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...I didn't know that. Huh.
Don't shoot me, but I was one of those people who got bored watching 300...
The first thirty minutes were okay.
But after the twentieth time they go into ultra-slow-motion-blood-spatter-mode, it gets pretty boring.
Also, it's as "Hell Yeah America" as you can get without being about... uh... America. Incredibly jingoistic and xenophobic movie... glossing over certain facets of Spartan life simply to push forward the message.
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Nolan wanted to end his trilogy on his terms. He didn't want someone trying to pick up on it and run with it and end up leading it astray.
The problem was the return to the League of Shadows; it was a re-tread of what was done in Begins. Scott Snyder ran with the idea of Gotham being cut off from the rest of the world and at the mercy of a madman in "Zero Year" without resorting to the League.
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I think that the re-treading was the biggest problem with Rises. But they wrote themselves into a corner there with the over-arcing story development they set up in the first two films. Maybe if Heath Ledger hadn't died, they could have used the Joker instead of Bane as the leader of the "revolution".
Also miffed how they killed off Talia, to prevent any Son of the Batman sequel nonsense. Or maybe not.
Also miffed how they killed off Talia, to prevent any Son of the Batman sequel nonsense. Or maybe not.
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I think that re-using the Joker would have been the same mistake as re-using the League of Shadows. Bane was a good choice, but Deacon Blackfire, Hugo Strange, the Black Mask or even the Court of Owls could have worked as well.
The film was also indecisive as to what it wanted to be. Half of it was a plot to destroy Gotham, and half of it a plot to turn the city into an anarcho-capitalist utopia.
The film was also indecisive as to what it wanted to be. Half of it was a plot to destroy Gotham, and half of it a plot to turn the city into an anarcho-capitalist utopia.
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It was perfectly fine with him to interfere with MOS. That would have been even better with a post-credit scene of some kind had Nolan said no to it.
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Nolan's Bat-films exist in a separate timeline to Snyder's expanded universe. Sure, he consulted on Snyder's films, but mostly because he had re-ignited Batman when the Superman films needed a similar boost. Superman Returns wasn't a disaster of the Batman and Robin calibre, but it still wasn't great.
The Dark Knight Rises wasn't a bad film - it just wasn't a great film following The Dark Knight. It waa confused as to what it wanted to be, and like I said, revisiting the League of Shadows was a bad idea. I get that Nolan wanted to ground his films in reality, so the supernatural and alien and Spiderman-style weird-science-gone-wrong elements were out of the question. But there was so much that he could draw on, like "Batman RIP". And I just finished the first part of "Batman Eternal" which, while published after the Nolan films, also had some good material.
In the end, I think he ran into the same problem that Tim Burton had with Batman Returns, and which Nolan solved with The Dark Knight: where do you go once you have included the Joker?
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You still didn't answer the question, so let me rephrase. As a stand alone movie, what makes you so sure that it is a failure?
WB for years has kept any DC-based movie property from contaminating any other similar franchise to various degrees of success. [The 1989 Batman film and the Christopher Reeves Superman franchise are two of the more successful examples.] However, by design, that isn't how a comic book based movie should work. It should be woven like a spider's web, just enough intersecting points to make it appear to be a coherent universe while allowing independent stories to be told. Marvel, to be honest here, has captured the formula with the Marvel Cinematic Universe, something that was started nearly 10 years ago when Marvel secured a half billion dollar loan to self produce movies. DC should have been at the head of the pack 20 years earlier, but didn't.
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I didn't like it, at all. Not a single thing of the trailer. As opposed to Nolan's Batman trailers.
Things like "do you bleed" sound just silly to me, can't take the movie seriously because of phrases like that.
To be honest, only superhero movies I like are Nolan's Batman, and Iron Man 1. Everything else is crap in my eyes.
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...It should scream "comic book"; after all, it is based on one...
As for the disappointment factor, that's up to individual tastes so I can't say much about that.
What I am saying here is that how can a person be sure of anything, short of actually experiencing it first hand, or at least get a good opinion from an experienced source?
...Personally, the trailer raised my expectations - I'm not a fan of Jack Snyder so was worried but I'm digging certain aesthetics glimpsed in the trailer.
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The biggest hurdle for this movie (IMHO)...
The source material and the "Man of Steel" created very different versions of Superman and one of those will need to be changed if this movie is going to work.
The worst part is that we are going to be treated to a big pissing contest between the main characters for what amounts to little more than fanservice.
Batman fanboys are going to drool over Miller's DKR and Superman fanboys are going to laugh about Superman being out of character and nerfed.
I hope this movie doesn't burst the comic bubble in movies.
Finally, just need to make a note...
I absolutely love Christopher Nolan's work but the final batman movie wasn't nearly as good as the first two.
The source material and the "Man of Steel" created very different versions of Superman and one of those will need to be changed if this movie is going to work.
The worst part is that we are going to be treated to a big pissing contest between the main characters for what amounts to little more than fanservice.
Batman fanboys are going to drool over Miller's DKR and Superman fanboys are going to laugh about Superman being out of character and nerfed.
I hope this movie doesn't burst the comic bubble in movies.
Finally, just need to make a note...
I absolutely love Christopher Nolan's work but the final batman movie wasn't nearly as good as the first two.
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I actually think that it will be the former that will be elaborated into the latter (MOS into TDKR). Why? Miller's comic does make mention that the President of the United States is a hologram (it may not be in The Dark Knight Returns necessarily but it is there), and is controlled by Lex Luthor behind the scenes. Now remember the trailer spot where Superman actually bows before Lex? Playing theorycraft here, I would peg that spot to be the spot in the film where Batman got "out of his control" and threatened Superman to go kill Batman. It really doesn't take much since Lex has a Senator(that we are aware of) in his pocket.
The rest of my theory could get spoilerish.
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New full trailer kicks so much ***. That is all I am going to say about it.
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Now that is a trailer .......
That spoiled Doomsday which I'm not sure what I feel about
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I'll bet there are still more surprises there, and even listening to some fan's plausible theories there is a lot more going on here. And I mean a lot.
What a 🤬 time to be alive
What a 🤬 time to be alive
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Wait a second...
I know the goal here is dark and gritty, but this much change is ridiculous.
Doomsday looks like a horrible video game monster. Is this the same special effects team that did Noah?
I know the goal here is dark and gritty, but this much change is ridiculous.
