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[DjEyeQ]

They never cared about rubber banding to earn credits, and they won't start caring now. No reason to be paranoid about big brother Sony/PD spying on your gameplay habits.

Its probably true. While I totally hate the scripting method, I will gladly do it just in spite of what PD has done to this game.

 

[reclaimer]

They can easily identify someone using a script or rubber band. Just because they haven't banned anyone before doesn't mean they couldn't start at any time. The ToS are pretty broad. Money talks and if they perceive they are losing microtransaction income due to "cheating" there could definitely be some repercussions. Judging by the money nerf last patch and the tone-deaf response I wouldn't bet against it. I'm personally willing to take the risk but saying "they won't start caring now. No reason to be paranoid about big brother Sony/PD spying on your gameplay habits" is just a wild ass guess.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

...well, since you are mentioning bans, what about years of rubberbanding over and over through various GT games, not to mention GTS and current GT7 up until this script... in fact, what this script do is basically rubberbanding, and then instead of you to exit and re enter the race, it does it for you, not directly on console, but over PS remote play... Maybe I am playing it from my work, so this should be banned to, me playing from work?

Pretty sure anything automated is against terms of service. Do what you do not my business doesn't affect me.

I'm more about sport mode so buying all the race cars is what I'm doing. All the cars I'm buying are less then 500k mostly so the regular races do just fine for credits.

 

[mcsqueegy]

Think i ran the script too long today, to be fair my PS4 struggles with the game normally but it’s been a lot of hours on this game and today’s 8 hours might have killed it

 

[SnuggleMaster]

They can easily identify someone using a script or rubber band. Just because they haven't banned anyone before doesn't mean they couldn't start at any time. The ToS are pretty broad. Money talks and if they perceive they are losing microtransaction income due to "cheating" there could definitely be some repercussions. Judging by the money nerf last patch and the tone-deaf response I wouldn't bet against it. I'm personally willing to take the risk but saying "they won't start caring now. No reason to be paranoid about big brother Sony/PD spying on your gameplay habits" is just a wild ass guess.

Yep they seems to care way more about money now lol. This isn't a past GT game this is the present one. And at present they seem really concerned about the amount of credits we can farm.

 

[Streeto]

They never cared about rubber banding to earn credits, and they won't start caring now. No reason to be paranoid about big brother Sony/PD spying on your gameplay habits.

You have to consider the recent media blow-up of the whole 1.07 ordeal, and there's news articles on the afk script farmers too. Due to all this they might feel pressured to "look into it"... they have to save face at some point. If it was just rubber banders, I would agree, they don't need to do anything because nobodies talking about that, but when people start modifying the game and using automation software from third parties; It's a little more serious.

 

[rex1825]

...here is my take, people that are doing AFK method wouldn't buy any microtransactions in first place, those that need credits, they don't care about grind and AFK grinding at all, so they'll just cache out $$$ for ingame credits...

I am sure that most people will buy at least one microtransaction, but that will not bring Sony to Heavens, and most of microtransactions will be gained by streamers and content creators... simply said...

 

[DjEyeQ]

You have to consider the recent media blow-up of the whole 1.07 ordeal, and there's news articles on the afk script farmers too. Due to all this they might feel pressured to "look into it"... they have to save face at some point. If it was just rubber banders, I would agree, they don't need to do anything because nobodies talking about that, but when people start modifying the game and using automation software from third parties; It's a little more serious.

What they can do is not be greedy ****s and restore the game, so it can be played normally. So many things transferred over from GTS, why couldn't they keep the daily free car roulette. They don't have to be scumbags. Restore good payouts, and make future tracks, car packs dlcs. I'm sure ppl wouldn't mind that.

 

[Famine]

but when people start modifying the game and using automation software from third parties

They're not modifying the game at all.

The script operates a DualSense controller attached to a PC. The PC is playing GT7 through PlayStation's own Remote Play feature.

If anything it's more legitimate a method than the Nurburgring pitlane glitch from GT Sport which loads of people used until it was patched out to build up tens of millions of credits without ever being banned - and that game had paid content in it, so it was no less of a hit to Sony's pockets.

 

[rex1825]

@Famine ^^

 

[Streeto]

What they can do is not be greedy ****s and restore the game, so it can be played normally. So many things transferred over from GTS, why couldn't they keep the daily free car roulette. They don't have to be scumbags. Restore good payouts, and make future tracks, car packs dlcs. I'm sure ppl wouldn't mind that.

Totally, I agree they need to do a lot of things with this game to make it what it should've been on release. Although I do wonder how much lean Sony have on PD with regards to project schedules, content freedoms, deadlines etc. I don't think we can chuck all blame on PD for this "disaster" of a launch.

They're not modifying the game at all.

The script operates a DualSense controller attached to a PC. The PC is playing GT7 through PlayStation's own Remote Play feature.

If anything it's more legitimate a method than the Nurburgring pitlane glitch from GT Sport which loads of people used until it was patched out to build up tens of millions of credits without ever being banned - and that game had paid content in it, so it was no less of a hit to Sony's pockets.

With regards to modifying the game I was thinking more about how people were getting banned from PSN for modifying savegames back on the PS3.

I still believe the script farming goes against Sony's user policies, you're still using third party software to control your pad, which directly interacts with the game. If Sony are OK with that, then I'm a little confused.

Just to note though, it doesn't actually bother me. People can script away until their consoles overheat, my gameplay habits will be unaffected.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

They can easily identify someone using a script or rubber band.

No... they cannot. Unless they have a camera in your house spying you (which would be illegal anyway lol).

They literally have no way to prove that you are using scripts or rubber band. If they detect that you do the same race over and over, that proves nothing. That could just mean that you grind that race, again, they have 0 evidence and have no ways to know you rubber band or use scripts.

Unless the scripts are used directly on the game itself, which is not the case. The scripts are used on a computer which uses your DualSense controller plugged in to a PC while the game is being used shown on the PC via Remote Play.

With all this said, to all of you people who need credits, just follow the tutorials about the scripts and you will be fine, don't be afraid because you are not going to get banned over this.
Just don't let your PS5 run for 24 hours a day, it's not worth it to degrade the console like that.


The game economy is on such a ridiculous level that I won't even judge people for actually cheating (on the single player) in the game.


20 hours of grinding one race to buy 1 expensive car I like? F**U PD, not going to do it that way.


The worst that can happen is PD patches the races that are being used the most to grind credits, to give low-payouts or like the case with the Pan-American championship, move the Blue Moon Bay race to be the last race. I would laugh so much if this happened. And at the same, consider actually removing the game from my PS5 and never play it again.

 

[reclaimer]

No... they cannot. Unless they have a camera in your house spying you (which would be illegal anyway lol).

They literally have no way to prove that you are using scripts or rubber band. If they detect that you do the same race over and over, that proves nothing. That could just mean that you grind that race, again, they have 0 evidence and have no ways to know you rubber band or use scripts.

Unless the scripts are used directly on the game itself, which is not the case. The scripts are used on a computer which uses your DualSense controller plugged in to a PC while the game is being used shown on the PC via Remote Play.

With all this said, to all of you people who need credits, just follow the tutorials about the scripts and you will be fine, don't be afraid because you are not going to get banned over this.
Just don't let your PS5 run for 24 hours a day, it's not worth it to degrade the console like that.


The game economy is on such a ridiculous level that I won't even judge people for actually cheating (on the single player) in the game.


20 hours of grinding one race to buy 1 expensive car I like? F**U PD, not going to do it that way.


The worst that can happen is PD patches the races that are being used the most to grind credits, to give low-payouts or like the case with the Pan-American championship, move the Blue Moon Bay race to be the last race. I would laugh so much if this happened. And at the same, consider actually removing the game from my PS5 and never play it again.

The game is always online, they can see everything you do. They can easily filter which players are doing what. And by filtering that data they can easily detect people using a script or similar setup.

This is how automated cheat detection works, and if they can detect that they can easily detect rubber band inputs and macros. Especially when you are grinding the same course for hours on end.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

The game is always online, they can see everything you do. They can easily filter which players are doing what. And by filtering that data they can easily detect people using a script or similar setup.

This is how automated cheat detection works, and if they can detect that they can easily detect rubber band inputs and macros. Especially when you are grinding the same course for hours on end.

No... They cannot. The only info they get from us is which events we play the most and which cars we use. They have 0 evidence of what it's happening. It can be just a guy grinding for his life.

Automated cheat detection doesn't work that way in this particular case. Because driving an oval track is literally just doing that, few inputs on the controller. And to repeat the race to grind, the inputs are the exact same as you would manually do. Ergo, 0 reason to get banned.

I guarantee you, no one is going to get banned unless they actually use scripts on the game/console software itself. Which is not the case with the script that is circling around.

So please... stop spreading that info to scare away people from doing this. As I said, I would never encourage this type of way to get credits, but PD and Sony have gone so deliberately far into taking money and time away from you that this is the treatment they deserve.

 

[Prelude514]

Its probably true. While I totally hate the scripting method, I will gladly do it just in spite of what PD has done to this game.

Agreed. I'd never normally do something like this. To me, GT has always been about enjoying everyday cars. I'm happier driving around in an old NSX or Skyline than driving a Unicorn. I'm grinding these credits as an FU to PD's extreme greed. I'll buy all their $200 cars, try them, and probably never put more than 10KMs on them. Then, I'll go back to my NSX which I happily worked for and bought legit. I'll never spend a dime to unlock a car that I already paid for in Gran Turismo. Exception being if it;s a free to play game where this stuff is expected.

They can easily identify someone using a script or rubber band. Just because they haven't banned anyone before doesn't mean they couldn't start at any time. The ToS are pretty broad. Money talks and if they perceive they are losing microtransaction income due to "cheating" there could definitely be some repercussions. Judging by the money nerf last patch and the tone-deaf response I wouldn't bet against it. I'm personally willing to take the risk but saying "they won't start caring now. No reason to be paranoid about big brother Sony/PD spying on your gameplay habits" is just a wild ass guess.

Yeah, money talks. Imagine all the talking we'd do if Sony or PD decided to punish us for playing the game we paid $80-$100 in the way we see fit. The backlash would be insane. This isn't aimbotting, wallhacking, or using ESP to break a game and ruin someone else's enjoyment of it online. History shows us that PD/Sony have historically NOT cared about grinding credits with automation, so I'd say your guess of them possibly starting to care falls more under the "wild ass guess" category.

You have to consider the recent media blow-up of the whole 1.07 ordeal, and there's news articles on the afk script farmers too. Due to all this they might feel pressured to "look into it"... they have to save face at some point. If it was just rubber banders, I would agree, they don't need to do anything because nobodies talking about that, but when people start modifying the game and using automation software from third parties; It's a little more serious.

They are absolutely going to look into it, just like they looked into Fisherman's Ranch. They will break it very easily. But, those of us who are annoyed enough with them will find another way unless PD rights the ship and makes the game's economy reasonable again. We wouldn't have extremely talented people wasting their time programming automation to help others if that were the case.

By the way, there is no modification of the game happening here. That would clearly fall under a different category, and warrant bans. This is simply using the tools offered by Sony with remote play. My computer is pressing buttons on my PS5 controller instead of me putting a rubber band on 2 joysticks.

The game is always online, they can see everything you do. They can easily filter which players are doing what. And by filtering that data they can easily detect people using a script or similar setup.

This is how automated cheat detection works, and if they can detect that they can easily detect rubber band inputs and macros. Especially when you are grinding the same course for hours on end.

You're very wrong. Automated cheat detection works by detecting changes made to game files in real time as the software runs, usually in temporary memory. Stop spreading FUD. They can filter all they want, they can't prove how something is being achieved just by saying "damn, look at this guy. He drove 3000 KMs today! I wonder if he's a no lifer, or if he's using a rubber band or a macro? Steve, launch an investigation into Prelude514's activity at once!" .... No, just no. That's what it would take, and that's not happening.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Are you not afraid of possible bans ? Would be stupid to get banned for this.(or not, and just play a different game).

That's what I'm afraid of.

Don't worry, they have 0 ways of knowing any scripts are being used. The script is used on your PC, not the console or the game software. You are perfectly safe.

 

[SnuggleMaster]

Don't worry, they have 0 ways of knowing any scripts are being used. The script is used on your PC, not the console or the game software. You are perfectly safe.

Ya they totally have no idea what youtube is...

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Ya they totally have no idea what youtube is...

And you totally didn't understand the part about "getting banned" I guess.

They won't ban anyone, because they literally can't without any evidence. All they can do is just patch the game.

And only a handful of us are posting it on youtube, and these are likely guys with alternative accounts to begin with.

 

[McLaren]

They really wouldn't need YouTube at all except for it to be easier to pinpoint an account doing it. 1 or 2 races being continuously farmed are going to be detectable the same way it was before the nerf.

The only way they might know is to deep dive and start attempting to look for specific accounts that are constantly online 24 hours & accumulating credits at an unusual rate per day, similar to what Rockstar does when they see accounts jump tens of millions in an impossible amount of time. The difference is, the scripts aren't really short cutting the races themselves, everything is being input exactly as a human would, so the credits are technically being acquired fairly for the time spent racing. The fact there's a credit cap also means people have to go in and dump their money on a car, so PD can't do what Rockstar does & start looking for abnormally high credit accounts that can be looked into as to how they got so much.

But, I'm not all that sure this is something you'll get caught doing unless your account's routine just stands out to PD. There's just so many people online, likely doing those same exacts races 24/7 in different time zones/countries, that they'd have to be looking for something to stand out. With anything like this though, the community behind it probably already has certain warnings on how not to get noticed like GTA's.

 

[TheScythed]

And you totally didn't understand the part about "getting banned" I guess.

They won't ban anyone, because they literally can't without any evidence. All they can do is just patch the game.

And only a handful of us are posting it on youtube, and these are likely guys with alternative accounts to begin with.

I will guarantee you that they know exactly who is and who isn’t doing what. If you check the thread on that script guy, it asks you to input very specific input settings.

I can assure you PD collects data on what input methods their players are frequenting.

If they actually retaliate against this last offensive players are using after being so obviously ****ed over, remains to be seen.

I am fully supportive of anyone willing to go through the trouble of ‘sticking it’ to this very troubled game, at least until things get fixed properly.

Edit: I do want to point out, it is NOT okay to use cheats or modify software to get an unfair competitive advantage. But how you see fit to play a generally singleplayer-focused game, should be up to the players themselves.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

I will guarantee you that they know exactly who is and who isn’t doing what. If you check the thread on that script guy, it asks you to input very specific input settings.

Even if they do know the inputs, they still mean nothing, it can be a coincidence. They simply cannot prove it. They have no hard evidence. Thus they cannot legally ban you at all. It's the law mate, they could get sued if they did. This is not like an admin or mod of this forum banning you, this is an international company here.

The most they can do is just patch the game again to screw us. Which may be a possibility, but hey, you might as well f*+** them while you can. We don't deserve to be treated like this, and you rightly said it, we should just exploit this until they fix the game.

 

[Samus]

There is absolutely 0% chance that PD are logging every controller input of every player. That would be trillions of inputs in a matter of hours. As such, there is no way they can know if someone is using scripts to control their pad.

They'll know about it happening generally, just like we do. They won't know the individuals doing it if they're aren't publicising it.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

The difference is, the scripts aren't really short cutting the races themselves, everything is being input exactly as a human would

EXACTLY.

Even if it lasts 24 hours, it can just be persons changing themselves. What part of "hard evidence" do people not understand?

And like Seamus added, they will know it's happening, but they won't know who is doing it at all.

 

[TheScythed]

Delete

 

[PolyDiag]

Even if they do know the inputs, they still mean nothing, it can be a coincidence. They simply cannot prove it. They have no hard evidence. Thus they cannot legally ban you at all. It's the law mate, they could get sued if they did. This is not like an admin or mod of this forum banning you, this is an international company here.

The most they can do is just patch the game again to screw us. Which may be a possibility, but hey, you might as well f*+** them while you can. We don't deserve to be treated like this, and you rightly said it, we should just exploit this until they fix the game.

This isn't court, sony doesn't usually suspend online for small stuff but legally they can ban you for any reason. It's a private company like how Twitter can suspend accounts

 

[Wheatybic]

EXACTLY.

Even if it lasts 24 hours, it can just be persons changing themselves. What part of "hard evidence" do people not understand?

And like Seamus added, they will know it's happening, but they won't know who is doing it at all.

nobody is getting banned but people get banned all the time in other games for automation that is still like human key presses because it's pretty obvious when someone presses the same buttons at the exact same time for 10+ hours, that's just not human lol. runescape for example

 

[Famine]

I've done a quick check so you don't have to and...

... it's not against GT7's T&Cs, but it might be against PlayStation T&Cs. The closest specific language I can find is:

27.6. Do not do any of the following in connection with Authorised Systems, PSN or Products:

• 27.6.1. emulate them;
• 27.6.2. disrupt their operation;
• 27.6.3. use any unauthorised hardware or software;
• 27.6.4. avoid any authentication, encryption or security measures;
• 27.6.5. access any information that does not belong to you or a Child Family Member;
• 27.6.6. share, buy, sell, rent, sub-licence, trade, transfer, phish for or harvest any accounts or account details or other credentials; or
• 27.6.7. help anyone else to do any of these things.

Technically, while you're running the script on the PC to operate a DualSense to play GT7 through remote play, you need an "Authorised System" (which is defined as any PlayStation console, past or present; that note on emulation should be a bit of a wake-up for some people) to play GT7 in the first place - thus you are using "unauthorised software... in connection with Authorised Systems".

And in that case the dude that made it breaks the last item there as well.

 

[TheScythed]

I've done a quick check so you don't have to and...

... it's not against GT7's T&Cs, but it might be against PlayStation T&Cs. The closest specific language I can find is:

Technically, while you're running the script on the PC to operate a DualSense to play GT7 through remote play, you need an "Authorised System" (which is defined as any PlayStation console, past or present; that note on emulation should be a bit of a wake-up for some people) to play GT7 in the first place - thus you are using "unauthorised software... in connection with Authorised Systems".

And in that case the dude that made it breaks the last item there as well.

Just to be pedantic, it is not actually connected to the remote play app at all.

There’s some YT guy (lawyer?) that’s also tried going over this:

Someone posted it before on GTP, don’t remember but credits to them.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

This isn't court, sony doesn't usually suspend online for small stuff but legally they can ban you for any reason. It's a private company like how Twitter can suspend accounts

No mate... It doesn't work quite that way. Especially not when you are paying for a product. Twitter is free. It's a world of difference.

Imagine, buying a subscription, and then the company bans you because "reasons" and keep your money while you can't use the product you bought? There's a terms of service mate. Sony, or any other company just can't do anything to you unless it's hard factual evidence.

You guys are really seriously sleeping on modern-day data analytics and all the metrics they do collect combine to give a pretty accurate depiction of what their players do.

I’m not saying they are recording your controller inputs, not at all, but I will assure you, 100%, they do know who is and isn’t using it.

Of course they "know" who's doing it, but they don't have the hard factual evidence to back them up. They simply cannot prove 100% that you are using scripts, no matter how obvious it seems to them or to us. They cannot detect the script (it's on the PC), the only thing they can have is suspicion, and with those suspicions, they simply act accordingly...

They patch the game in a way to stop people from using those scripts. In this case it would be to remove Blue Moon Bay or any other oval tracks from the game. Which is never going to happen, all they can do is just either lower the payouts even more to the point where using scripts would just waste your PS5 with no meaningful credit return, or just make the Blue Moon Bay the 2nd or 3rd race in the championship which would pretty much screw this script up.

I've done a quick check so you don't have to and...

... it's not against GT7's T&Cs, but it might be against PlayStation T&Cs. The closest specific language I can find is:

Technically, while you're running the script on the PC to operate a DualSense to play GT7 through remote play, you need an "Authorised System" (which is defined as any PlayStation console, past or present; that note on emulation should be a bit of a wake-up for some people) to play GT7 in the first place - thus you are using "unauthorised software... in connection with Authorised Systems".

And in that case the dude that made it breaks the last item there as well.

Again... The script is not linked at all to the remote play or any part of the game or PS4/PS5 system software. Sony or anyone else (aside from a hacker obviously lol) cannot detect the script.

 

[Samus]

You guys are really seriously sleeping on modern-day data analytics and all the metrics they do collect combine to give a pretty accurate depiction of what their players do.

I’m not saying they are recording your controller inputs, not at all, but I will assure you, 100%, they do know who is and isn’t using it.

But also - I absolutely do not have anything against the folks that are doing this. If anything, this amount of effort and ingenuity should speak volumes to PD about what a mess they have made.

Punishing for it would probably be a pretty bad idea. But who knows, they clearly showed us they aren’t all out of bad ideas.

They certainly know when you're using Remote Play. They know what events you're completing. They don't know what your inputs are whilst you're playing remote play.