BMW M League anyone interested???

[GrahamTurismo]

Ya i agree the more variety the better, i just feel it might be tough to balance all of the cars (mainly the difference between last generation with the inline six to the new gens with v-8's).

The only premium BMW with a V8 is the M3, I hope you know that. The Z4M still uses the straight six from the E46 and the M5 uses a V10.

If they're not allowed, I won't be there.

I agree. E46 or bust! 👍

As far as setting a PP, I think maybe making the limit a bit above the car with the highest stock rating, so the cars stay relatively factory but still balanced. 👍

I'd actually like to see the PP limit set right around the stock number of the '07 M3 (Right around 490-500 I believe). That way all the E46 models can join in with a bit of modding and the M5 would have to be handicapped with a bit of weight to fit in. As it stands the entire list of M cars is in the range of 465-515PP.

 

[xisco44]

im in for bmw league psn id = xisco44

 

[Jack Do]

Yeah but all stock though i think would be the best, all of the cars apart from the M5 and the M3 have the same engines! Would be great!

 

[hamster1984]

I'd be interested!

psnid= hamster1984

Have final regulations been settled on? Thanks.

 

[cjs959]

The only premium BMW with a V8 is the M3, I hope you know that. The Z4M still uses the straight six from the E46 and the M5 uses a V10.

Ya im aware just get in a hury when im typing...

I agree. E46 or bust! 👍

Not a problem with me

I'd actually like to see the PP limit set right around the stock number of the '07 M3 (Right around 490-500 I believe). That way all the E46 models can join in with a bit of modding and the M5 would have to be handicapped with a bit of weight to fit in. As it stands the entire list of M cars is in the range of 465-515PP.

After i did a little testing i agree with a pp limit around 500. maybe 510 at the peak. I would also like to throw in some HP/Weight regulations, suspension, tires, and not sure what else but would like to have the PP close to equal with all cars running the same Suspension upgrades (if any at all). I think allowing any sports tires would be good (if we decide to do lengthy enough races to have to make pit stops, with shorter "sprint" races everyone should be on the same tires).

 

[hamster1984]

Thanks for the add, I agree that a PP around the highest stock M would be best. Any car that needed to be tuned alittle to get to that PP would still represent a pretty stock vehicle.

 

[craigc]

I'm interested in racing this sounds like a great league. My PSN is xbrocktonhockeyx.

 

[GTsach]

I'm in for this one if u get it going
PSN:sach22

 

[HaylRayzor]

To steal a quote...

"God didn't make all cars equal, Performance Points did."

PP is the only way to make a street car series even.

 

[cjs959]

well im ready to get things going. I have added or tried to add most of ya on PSN. I work full time and am a little busy o the weekends so my availability is pretty much wednesday-thursday evenings from about 8pm us central time on. I can do weekends i just play hockey and baseball so my wekends are usually busy with those activities and not consistantly during the same time of day (some days i have day games, others are in the evening). If you could hit me up on PSN or here on the thread and let me know when you all want to get together for some practice and to get things figured out.

 

[hamster1984]

Wednesdays would work for me. Anytime on the weekend would too!

 

[Egghead43]

Wednesdays would work for me. Anytime on the weekend would too!

Wednesdays would work for me too. It would be nice to get a mid-week series going, it just generally makes the timing a bit tighter to find a time that works across the time zones. 5-9 Pacific time is generally when I'm on during the week.

On a more exciting note, the Z3M Coupe popped up in the UCD for me today 👍

 

[GTsach]

Wednesday is good for me too. Just make sure u pick a good day that u will be commited to. But yea anytime after 8eastern time will me
Good

 

[BIMMERBOY96]

Granted I'm a novice when it comes to online racing, but I'm interested. Any evening (anywhere from 6 or 7 to midnight CST) works for me.

 

[Egghead43]

Finally got around to taking the Z3M out for a spin tonight. Just one lap of the Nürburgring for a baseline, and managed an 8'09 in offline time trial (flying start). I'm pretty sure I rebuilt the engine on this as I usually do now with my UCD purchases, but regardless, it was sitting at 456PP.

For a comparison, I bought a brand new M3 and changed the oil which brought it to 491PP. Same one lap of the 'ring resulted in a 7'45 lap.
Hardly scientific, but the lap times seem to coincide with the PP rating somewhat. The Z3M could stand to have a little more power to bring it closer to the M3's PP rating, but I'm not putting a turbo on it or anything

 

[GrayFox32]

I sure do love M power. I'm in!

PSN: GrayFox32

Wednesday would be a great time for me, anytime after 5pm pacific.

 

[phil bell]

Im in,my PSN is CRAB_SG

 

[Wdave]

The question is whether or not I can race my M3 GTR Road car, or not XD

 

[cjs959]

Yup M3 GTR ROAD CAR will be allowed... I think I'm going to pretty much allow any M car in (you'll have to stick with that same car for the whole season). We'll have a PP limit (right now i've been testing a little bit off line and think the PP limit will be aound 500, not set in stone though). I would like certain things to be mandatory for all cars, things like suspension (I would like to have a fully custumizable suspension to set up the car the way i want it to handle), tire will probably be restricted to sports tires (I would like any compound choice though for endurance strategies). And I don't realy know what else, if we ever could all get together we could do some messing around and set some restrictions, along with figuring out the length and schedule of the series.
If i haven't sent ya a friend request yet via PSN feel free to send me one, my PSN is CJS158.
Im on line right now, not sure if im going to be on for more than an hour or two. I would like to get this up and running ASAP.
Thanks for everyones interest and input.

 

[cjs959]

Hey eveyone, i have a lobby opened up right now and am messing around. If you wanna race and help me with some testing the room # is
1472-6399-8880-6896-7210

 

[GTsach]

I'll be there in a min!

 

[redcouch1212]

Hey coming back to this after a week it looks good and you seem to have a good enthusiasm about making a proper league. I dont think there is enough interest in this league to really take off but we'll see how it goes when you make a proper thread AFTER you set up rules and regs.

I still think we should limit the cars though. By popularity, we should go with the Z3M, M3 v8, M3 GTR, and possibly the M5(however I didnt notice anyone really interested in the M5). If you can give me enough time I'll PM you a propsed full structure of the league after I thoroughly test the cars and you can present it or critique it however you want. My credentials will be based off of GTA if you have any questions. PSN redcouch1

 

[BrosifDuder]

Sounds fascinating.

... Egg, I will be chasing you in my Z4 M Coupe.

 

[redcouch1212]

After about an hour of testing I can already see the PP system is flawed. M3 07 vs M3 CSL 03 the CSL has about 10 less PP, less power and a bit less weight, than the M3 v8 but I can lap almost a second faster with the CSL. Even more so, I started with the M3 07 and put in some quality laps on a track I knew well from GTA and lapped a 1:34.428 after about a half hour, then with the CSL I lapped a 1:33.585 on my fourth lap; even with less PP.

At first you would think the PP system doesnt really work, however I equiped both cars to bring the closest power to weight ratio, and then with full adjust suspension. The CSL handled alot better than the v8, so possibly after some tuning the v8 might be caple of better times. It just goes to show to make it perfectly fair and fun this is gunna need some testing.

 

[Egghead43]

I still think we should limit the cars though. By popularity, we should go with the Z3M, M3 v8, M3 GTR, and possibly the M5(however I didnt notice anyone really interested in the M5).

I was running a bone stock M5 tonight just to see how it did. It wasn't uncompetitive, but I don't think that will be my car of choice.
Sounded wonderful though!

Sounds fascinating.

... Egg, I will be chasing you in my Z4 M Coupe.

What makes you think you'll be chasing me?
More likely the other way around!

I'll do some more car testing this weekend; will probably go with the E92 M3 or the Z4 M Coupé.

 

[redcouch1212]

... Or just run 1 car. That would be the easiest way. Here I will post the specs of the two cars I've tested:

M3 Coupe 07
520HP/9100rpm-1408kg-PP534
M3 CSL 03
468HP/8800rpm-1385kg-PP529

OK so the PP is actually only 5 off, but the weight is super close, wereas the power is a huge difference; and the CSL is easily faster. I could tune the M3 v8 a bit, but now we would be looking at extensive testing for a total of 3 or 4 cars. Testing was done at Indy Road Course.

 

[Egghead43]

I think the whole point is to have a bit of variety on the track 👍
I'd like to see all of the M cars out there!

What is everyone thinking for tires? From running all 3 of the sport compounds on the M5 tonight, my choice would be sport mediums.
The hards were a bit of a handful, but the softs were too grippy.

 

[redcouch1212]

I've finished a bit of testing tonight, might get more into it tomorrow, but for now this is how I see it:

Indy Road Course

M3 CSL 03 1:33.585
468HP/8800rpm-1385kg-PP529
M3 Coupe 07 1:34.428
520HP/9100rpm-1408kg-PP534
Z4 M Coupe 08 1:36.024
443HP/8500rpm-1375kg-PP512

All cars w/ Racing Tranny, All drivetrain upgrades, Full Adjust Susupension(not tuned), Racing Hard Tires

The CSL handled the best, wereas the Z4M wasnt too far off, and the E92(v8) handled the worst by a significant margin(but not dramatic). The problem here is the Z4 is maxed on power even if it is the lightest, but still is now were near the other two cars. Even more interesting is the lap in the Z4 I had some perfect corners that I couldnt match time on; so a theoretical best lap for me couldnt be too far off in that car and I feel I had possibly my best lap in it.

Overall each car's top lap are all consistant within I'd say a .5 second, meaning the consistancy of the testing is roughly close to a quarter second give or take from any lap. If the ingame analysis could take top sector times a show a theoretical fastest lap this testing could be have been more accurate, but not significantly different I'm sure. The times arent close at all to consider having the 3 cars be competitive with equal PP. I mean theres like a PP20 difference, thats not gunna bring the Z4M up 2 or 3 seconds. Tuning could change things, but I only see it as making things between the CSL and M3 E92 competitive as they are with these specs, and the Z4M needs more power(by decreasing the power of the 3 series') resulting in a high PP.

 

[redcouch1212]

I think the whole point is to have a bit of variety on the track 👍
I'd like to see all of the M cars out there!

What is everyone thinking for tires? From running all 3 of the sport compounds on the M5 tonight, my choice would be sport mediums.
The hards were a bit of a handful, but the softs were too grippy.

With tires I think its all about the power. I dont know how stock the M5 you were runnign was, but my test of 500HP cars should use racing tires. 300HP cars should use the sport tires. The biggest factor of tires has to be drivability, if the car isnt EASY to control with the selected tires, racing wheel to wheel isnt going to be as fun and trouble free as it needs to be to have a league.

As a matter of fact my experience with the racing tires in my tests were perfect. It was all very brief ease into wide open throttle and the cars would stick on every turn. Go into the throttle wide open on/off you would spin, but was very managable and always forced. People could push it in races and not cause too much havoc.

 

[GrahamTurismo]

After about an hour of testing I can already see the PP system is flawed. M3 07 vs M3 CSL 03 the CSL has about 10 less PP, less power and a bit less weight, than the M3 v8 but I can lap almost a second faster with the CSL.

There's no flaw there; the E46 CSL is the superior M of those two. What you've done is discover that BMW turned what once was the world famous 'ultimate driving machine' into a horrid sluggish bloatmobile. I blame it on Bangle.