Bowtie's Speed Shop : Ultimate Corvette Collection!

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 1: Stock
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For this first stage, I tested each car fresh from the dealer, only Sports Soft tires were changed. No other upgrades or weight reduction, no adjustments allowed (not even brake bias). The gearing seemed to be what won out here. Those with transmissions that actually got good use out of high gear did better. Most however, got little use out of high gear and some never even touched high gear.

Anniversary Edition's were a last minute add on. Had to use (start) a backup account to ensure the were stock. Even though the weight may be slightly lower and they do have sports exhaust added. This addition did change the top of the leaderboard and the fastest car. Just keep that in mind.

High Speed Ring Reverse

"Street Cars"
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*1:06.847 - Viper GTS '13 Anniversary Edition
1:07.005 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09
1:07.280 - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13
1:07.481 - Viper GTS '13
1:07.849 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
1:08.343 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06
1:08.580 - Corvette Stingray (C7) Anniversary Edition '14
1:09.014 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
1:09.815 - Corvette Test Prototype (C7)
1:10.064 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14
1:10.113 - Viper SRT10 '03
1:10.190 - Viper SRT10 '06
1:10.357 - Corvette Stingray Gran Turismo Concept '13
1:11.383 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04
1:11.793 - Viper GTS '02
1:12.234 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
1:12.267 - Viper GTS '99
1:15.540 - Corvette Grand Sport '96
1:15.667 - Corvette ZR1 '90

"Race Cars"
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1:01.794 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) LM Race Car '09
1:03.735 - Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car '06
1:05.637 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #91 '00
1:05.639 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
1:05.777 - Corvette C5-R (C5) '00

(tested on Racing Hard tires)

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 2: Head to Head
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Corvettes vs Vipers, covering varying pp levels from 525-600. Cars were not tested one after the other, instead, all cars were added to my favorites. They were then tested according to model year, and all versions of each model were tested before moving on to the next model. For example, the '99 Viper GTS was tested on both tracks at 525pp (and at Willow Springs to be added to that leader board), then tested at 550pp (and at Ascari for that leader board). I then moved on to the next car. Even if a tune was not in this battle, each tune was tested at Indy Road Course and that will make up Stage 3. All cars were given 5 laps on each track. 1 point for fastest lap at each track(faster time in italics), 1 point for total time on both. I will give the split difference(faster car by how much). All testing done on Sports Soft tires.

Note: IRC = Indy Road Course, BGR = Bowling Green Raceway.

Round 1​

(525pp) - '96 Grand Sport...//... '99 GTS
IRC - 1:37.510...//...1:37.512
BGR - 2:11.026...//...2:10.821
Total Time Split - Viper GTS +0.203

Round 2​

(550pp) - '00 Z06...//...'02 GTS
IRC - 1:34.379...//...1:34.436
BGR - 2:07.827...//...2:07.584
Total Time Split - Viper GTS +0.186

Round 3​

(550pp) - '04 Z06...//...'03 SRT10
IRC - 1:34.383...//...1:34.137
BGR - 2:06.899...//...2:07.270
Total Time Split - Z06 +0.119

Round 4​

(575pp) - '06 Z06...//...'06 SRT10
IRC - 1:32.268...//...1:33.387
BGR - 2:03.862...//...2:05.046
Total Time Split - Z06 +2.303

Round 5​

(575pp) - '13 C7 Gran Turismo Concept...//...'13 GTS
IRC - 1:33.060...//...1:33.600
BGR - 2:05.650...//...2:05.092
Total Time Split - C7 Gran Turismo Concept +0.792

Round 6​

(600pp) - '06 Z06...//...'00 GTS R Concept
IRC - 1:32.313...//...1:32.207
BGR - 2:03.413...//...2:04.348
Total Time Split - Z06 + 0.829

Round 7​

(600pp) - '09 ZR1...//...'08 ACR
IRC - 1:32.359...//...1:31.673
BGR - 2:03.980...//...2.03.714
Total Time SPlit - ACR +0.952

Round 8​

(600pp) - '14 C7 Stingray...//...'13 GTS Launch Edition
IRC - 1:32.586...//...1:33.245
BGR - 2:03.872...//...2:04.353
Total Time Split - C7 Stingray +1.140

Round 9​

(600pp) - '14 C7 Anniv Ed...//...'13 GTS Anniv Ed
IRC - 1:32.270...//...1.32.174
BGR - 2:04.141...//...2:04.115
Total Time Split - GTS Anniv ED +0.122

Round 10​

(600pp Flat Floor) - '04 Z04...//...'02 GTS
IRC - 1:32.975...//...1:33.437
BGR - 2:05.063...//...2:05.552
Total Time Split - Z06 +0.951

Round 11​

(600pp Flat Floor) - '06 Z06...//...'08 ACR
IRC - 1:31.652...//...1.33.168
BGR - 2:03.491...//...2:05.723
Total Time Split - Z06 +3.748

Round 12​

(600pp Flat Floor) - '14 C7 Stingray...//...'13 GTS
IRC - 1:32.186...//...1:32.449
BGR - 2:03.433...//...2:03.898
Total Time Split - C7 Stingray +0.728

Results: 36 total points
Team Vette = 24 points
Team Viper = 12 points

Bowling Green Raceway and other tracks can be found at https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt6/user/#!/mypage/course/​

 

[Pete05]

That's quite the project you're working on there & I'm always interested in methodical testing results so I'll be watching closely.

Some of the cars you've listed, I have already tested in completely stock form on SH tyres at the Mother of all test tracks, the famed Nordschleife. When I get the chance, I'll post the relevant models' times for comparison. One thing is for sure, in stock form it's certainly a case of horses for courses as when I compared model against model around the Ring, some sectors favoured some cars whereas other sectors were the opposite.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

That's quite the project you're working on there & I'm always interested in methodical testing results so I'll be watching closely.

Some of the cars you've listed, I have already tested in completely stock form on SH tyres at the Mother of all test tracks, the famed Nordschleife. When I get the chance, I'll post the relevant models' times for comparison. One thing is for sure, in stock form it's certainly a case of horses for courses as when I compared model against model around the Ring, some sectors favoured some cars whereas other sectors were the opposite.

Very true indeed, I felt a stock test was needed and HSR reverse gives a challenge coming out of the tunnel. Some were better in the slow section but lost it on the main straight due to gearing. Overall, ZR1 was fantastic, but Vipers were the stars.

 

[Pete05]

Very true indeed, I felt a stock test was needed and HSR reverse gives a challenge coming out of the tunnel. Some were better in the slow section but lost it on the main straight due to gearing. Overall, ZR1 was fantastic, but Vipers were the stars.

Exactly. Take the C6 Vettes for example. The ZR1 has a killer engine & is matched to a magnificent set of gearbox ratios with something for all occasions.
The Z06 on the other hand has a great engine too but imagine for a second just how much better that car would be with the ZR1 gearbox. No more dying in 6th gear.
I could easily use the same argument for the C7 with it's 7 speed 'box. After testing that car at the SS10 & never needing to select 7th, I decided to re-pack the box so that when flat out, it can't quite reach the redline in 7th. The difference is light years apart. I call this version my take on a hypothetical C7 Grandsport.
The same problem exists with our homegrown Holdens present in the game. Great cars until you go for 6th gear & then you're left wondering.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Exactly. Take the C6 Vettes for example. The ZR1 has a killer engine & is matched to a magnificent set of gearbox ratios with something for all occasions.
The Z06 on the other hand has a great engine too but imagine for a second just how much better that car would be with the ZR1 gearbox. No more dying in 6th gear.
I could easily use the same argument for the C7 with it's 7 speed 'box. After testing that car at the SS10 & never needing to select 7th, I decided to re-pack the box so that when flat out, it can't quite reach the redline in 7th. The difference is light years apart. I call this version my take on a hypothetical C7 Grandsport.
The same problem exists with our homegrown Holdens present in the game. Great cars until you go for 6th gear & then you're left wondering.

Most Vipers are similar but get more out of 6th. Like the ZR1, pulls all the way through. That 13 GTS changed my feelings on the Viper.

 

[Pete05]

As previously mentioned, I've tested some of the vehicles in your latest project around the Nordschleife using a DS3 with manual transmission on SH tyres with no driving aids, in Arcade Mode with grip set to real.
Here are the times:

C6 Corvette ZR1 7:13:559
Viper SRT10 ACR 7:18:157
Viper GTS 2013 7:20:397
C6 Corvette Z06 7:21:717
C7 Corvette 7:23:930

And, just for interest:

Shelby GT500 7:35:066
2010 Camaro 7:38:790
Cadillac CTS-V 7:42:427
Ford Boss 302 7:42:568

The GT500 proves power isn't the answer to everything if it corners like a Taxi.
There is probably more time left in each car but these laps were done at around the pace the factory test drivers cut their laps. If it goes wrong, they tweak the 2-way radio back to base & don't have to pay the repair bill.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

As previously mentioned, I've tested some of the vehicles in your latest project around the Nordschleife using a DS3 with manual transmission on SH tyres with no driving aids, in Arcade Mode with grip set to real.
Here are the times:

C6 Corvette ZR1 7:13:559
Viper SRT10 ACR 7:18:157
Viper GTS 2013 7:20:397
C6 Corvette Z06 7:21:717
C7 Corvette 7:23:930

And, just for interest:

Shelby GT500 7:35:066
2010 Camaro 7:38:790
Cadillac CTS-V 7:42:427
Ford Boss 302 7:42:568

The GT500 proves power isn't the answer to everything if it corners like a Taxi.
There is probably more time left in each car but these laps were done at around the pace the factory test drivers cut their laps. If it goes wrong, they tweak the 2-way radio back to base & don't have to pay the repair bill.

Nice lap times 👍. Good info

 

[Pete05]

Nice lap times 👍. Good info

Sort of still on subject, I've just finished watching the official BMW
In-car camera footage of their test driver giving the heavy foot therapy to the new BMW M4 GTS. If you're interested, the video is available on YouTube.
That's about the pace I drive a lap at.

 

[RB26Mayhem]

What track have you tested these on?

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

What track have you tested these on?

Vettes and Vipers? Indy Road Course and a track I built. Stock test was High Speed Ring reverse. More test results still to post.

 

[RB26Mayhem]

Vettes and Vipers? Indy Road Course and a track I built. Stock test was High Speed Ring reverse. More test results still to post.

Oh, personally I think Vettes are better around corners, Vipers are just beasts in a straight and on exits!

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Oh, personally I think Vettes are better around corners, Vipers are just beasts in a straight and on exits!

My thoughts exactly, then I ran these tests and found a few Vipers that can corner as well. GTS 13, and the Launch Edition GTS, ACR with its down force not so bad either. Still, I'm a Chevy guy so my heart is with the Bowtie Vettes!

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 3: Free-for-all!​

For this stage, all cars were given 5 laps on Sports Soft tires at Indy Road Course, times from the Head to Head battle are used for those tunes. The rest, are as tuned in this garage. Some did receive a minor final gear adjustment although it was not optimal, just enough that they were not bouncing of the rev limiter. Some could have used more, some less, so times could have been slightly different had I adjusted each, but once you see how many times there are, you will see that was not possible and this kept it fair.

**Keep in mind, these are my tunes built for the way I drive and limited to what grip PD gives each car. I am a Chevy guy, but did my best to remove any bias and some cars may have gotten an extra lap or two, they generally speaking were Vipers to be even more unbiased.

Indy Road Course Lap times: Sports Soft Tires

1:31.362 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:31.673 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (600pp)
1:32.174 - Viper GTS Anniversary Edition '13 (600pp)
1:32.186 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:32.207 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (600pp)
1:32.245 - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13 (600pp)
1:32.268 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (575pp)
1:32.270 - Corvette Stingray (C7) Anniversary Edition '14 (600pp)
1:32.313 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (600pp)
1:32.359 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 (600pp)
1:32.449 - Viper GTS '13 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:32.559 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 Update Tune (600pp)
1:32.586 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (600pp)
1:32.748 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (575pp)
1:32.975 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.060 - Corvette Stingray (C7) Gran Turismo Concept '13 (575pp)
1:33.115 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (575pp)
1:33.168 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.310 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (575pp)
1:33.387 - Viper SRT10 '06 (575pp)
1:33.394 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 (573pp) FITT Tune with stock weight and transmission
1:33.437 - Viper GTS '02 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.600 - Viper GTS '13 (575pp)
1:33.682 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (550pp)
1:33.985 - Viper SRT10 '06 (550pp)
1:34.137 - Viper SRT10 '03 (550pp)
1:34.219 - Corvette C7 Prototype Test Car (550pp)
1:34.379 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 (550pp)
1:34.383 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (550pp)
1:34.490 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (550pp)
1:34.436 - Viper GTS '02 (550pp)
1:34.510 - Viper GTS '99 (550pp)
1:34.558 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (550pp)
1:35.790 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 (525pp)
1:36.012 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (525pp)
1:36.258 - Corvette Stingray Gran Turismo Concept '13 (525pp)
1:37.510 - Corvette (C4) Grand Sport '96 (525pp)
1:37.512 - Viper GTS '99 (525pp)
1:37.927 - Corvette ZR1 (C4) '90 (525pp)


RACING HARD TIRES:

1:24.440 - Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car (630pp)
1:26.628 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 (630pp)
1:26.913 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:26.913 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:27.242 - Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car (600pp)
1:27.821 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.366 - Viper GTS '13 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.389 - Corvette C5R (C5) '00 (600pp)
1:28.564 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.930 - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.956 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (600pp)
1:29.491 - Viper GTS -R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 (600pp)
1:29.637 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (600pp)

 

[Pete05]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 3: Free-for-all!​

For this stage, all cars were given 5 laps on Sports Soft tires at Indy Road Course, times from the Head to Head battle are used for those tunes. The rest, are as tuned in this garage. Some did receive a minor final gear adjustment although it was not optimal, just enough that they were not bouncing of the rev limiter. Some could have used more, some less, so times could have been slightly different had I adjusted each, but once you see how many times there are, you will see that was not possible and this kept it fair.

**Keep in mind, these are my tunes built for the way I drive and limited to what grip PD gives each car. I am a Chevy guy, but did my best to remove any bias and some cars may have gotten an extra lap or two, they generally speaking were Vipers to be even more unbiased.

Indy Road Course Lap times: Sports Soft Tires

1:31.362 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:31.673 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (600pp)
1:32.174 - Viper GTS Anniversary Edition '13 (600pp)
1:32.186 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:32.207 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (600pp)
1:32.245 - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13 (600pp)
1:32.268 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (575pp)
1:32.270 - Corvette Stingray (C7) Anniversary Edition '14 (600pp)
1:32.313 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (600pp)
1:32.359 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 (600pp)
1:32.449 - Viper GTS '13 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:32.559 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 Update Tune (600pp)
1:32.586 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (600pp)
1:32.748 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (575pp)
1:32.975 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.060 - Corvette Stingray (C7) Gran Turismo Concept '13 (575pp)
1:33.115 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (575pp)
1:33.168 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.310 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (575pp)
1:33.387 - Viper SRT10 '06 (575pp)
1:33.394 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 (573pp) FITT Tune with stock weight and transmission
1:33.437 - Viper GTS '02 Flat Floor (600pp)
1:33.600 - Viper GTS '13 (575pp)
1:33.682 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (550pp)
1:33.985 - Viper SRT10 '06 (550pp)
1:34.137 - Viper SRT10 '03 (550pp)
1:34.219 - Corvette C7 Prototype Test Car (550pp)
1:34.379 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 (550pp)
1:34.383 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (550pp)
1:34.436 - Viper GTS '02 (550pp)
1:34.510 - Viper GTS '99 (550pp)
1:34.558 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (550pp)
1:35.790 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 (525pp)
1:36.012 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (525pp)
1:37.510 - Corvette (C4) Grand Sport '96 (525pp)
1:37.512 - Viper GTS '99 (525pp)
1:37.927 - Corvette ZR1 (C4) '90 (525pp)


RACING HARD TIRES:

1:24.440 - Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car (630pp)
1:26.628 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 (630pp)
1:26.913 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:26.913 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:27.242 - Corvette Z06 (C6) LM Race Car (600pp)
1:27.821 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.366 - Viper GTS '13 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.389 - Corvette C5R (C5) '00 (600pp)
1:28.564 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.930 - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13 Flat Floor (630pp)
1:28.956 - Viper GTS R Concept '00 (600pp)
1:29.491 - Viper GTS -R (Team Oreca) #51 '00 (600pp)
1:29.637 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08 (600pp)

Some of those lap times are extremely close.
Have you kept the ghost replays as I'm sure comparing some of the cars would be very interesting.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Some of those lap times are extremely close.
Have you kept the ghost replays as I'm sure comparing some of the cars would be very interesting.

No, I actually did not want to use a different cars ghost so the few I did save I deleted.

There are still 2 SS tunes that I meant to test but missed. Realized it when posting.
And of course, if you look closely, there are still 2 Race cars times to add as well.

Still 5 more stages to post, but the final is still a work in progress. Another 3-4 hours of testing likely. Seems like it's taking forever. Stage 3, 50 tunes, 5 laps each at roughly 10 minutes per tune with loading time/changing cars/setting grip to real and always double checking that TC is at 0. And that's just that stage, not including the other 2 already posted, or the other 5 not yet posted. You can see how, with tuning to start, this has taken months to complete. But it's amazing how the times are close, and 2 630 flat floor cars had the same time even though they were tested days apart.

 

[Pete05]

I've kept the ghost laps from my testing at the Nordschleife I posted the other day & it makes for entertaining/educational viewing.

You certainly get an A+ for dedication.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 4: Team Battle
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This will be the first of three Team Battles. For this one, the cars pictured above were used at 600pp on Racing Hard tires. Each has flat floor installed and the rear down force was set to 15 except for the ACR which was left as stock. I changed tracks as I went along, but the original plan was to do three tracks with adjustable final gear. But I dropped the idea and instead retested each to reset transmissions. They would each now not blink the rev limiter any more, so this meant a quick 2-3 lap test at more than one track. But should have kept thinks fair as adjusting the final gear as much as I was going to seemed to have an adverse effect helping some but hurting others too much. I enjoyed this test some much, I went back and even added an extra (4th) track.
This will be a points based championship style competition, each car will have it's points totaled to find the champion tune. Each team will then have their points totaled to find the winning team.

Enjoy!

Track #1: Eifel Woods (as built by me, found here)
1st (20pts) - 1:29.436 - Viper GTS '13
2nd (16pts) - 1:29.592 - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd (12pts) - 1:29.843 - Corvette Z06 '04
4th (9pts) - 1:30.094 - Corvette Stingray '14
5th (6pts) - 1:30.332 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
6th (3pts) - 1:30.951 - Viper GTS '02

Track #2: Red Rock Valley (as built by @nowcontrol , found here)
1st (20pts) - 1:25.535 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:26.479 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:26.941 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
4th (9pts) - 1:27.097 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:27.872 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (6pts) - 1:28.664 - Viper GTS '02

Track #3: Daytona Road Course (day)
1st (20pts) - 1:42.531 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:43.110 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:43.538 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:44.302 - Viper GTS '02
5th (6pts) - 1:45.148 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (3pts) - 1:45.407 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track #4: Willow Springs
1st (20pts) - 1:11.335 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:12.212 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:12.400 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:12.418 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
5th (6pts) - 1:12.715 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (3pts) - 1:13.201 - Viper GTS '02

Results:
1st: Corvette Z06 '06 - 68 points
2nd: Corvette Stingray '14 - 57 points
3rd: Viper GTS '13 - 50 points
4th: Viper SRT10 ACR '08 - 30 points
5th: Corvette Z06 '04 - 27 points
6th: Viper GTS '02 - 24 points

Team points:
Vette - 160
Viper - 104

Bonus: What if you added the times from the Head to Head Battle from Stage 2?

Track: Indy Road Course
1st (20pts) - 1:31.652 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:32.186 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:32.449 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:32.975 - Corvette Z06 '04
5th (6pts) - 1:33.168 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
6th (3pts) - 1:33.437 - Viper GTS '02

Track: Bowling Green Raceway (as built by me)
1st (20pts) - 2:03.433 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 2:003.491 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 2:03.898 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 2:05.063 - Corvette Z06 '04
5th (6pts) - 2:05.552 - Viper GTS '02
6th (3pts) - 2:05.723 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Updated results:
1st: Corvette Z06 '06 - 107 points
2nd: Corvette Stingray '14 - 86 points
3rd: Viper GTS '13 - 74 points
4th(T): Viper SRT10 ACR '08 - 39 points
4th(T): Corvette Z06 '04 - 39 points
6th: Viper GTS '02 - 33 points

Team points:
Vette - 250
Viper - 146

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[Pete05]

So after all that testing, the '08 Viper & '04 Vette are inseparable on 39 points each
Amazing.

On another sort of related note, I took the '04 Vette for a test session at the Nordschleife as it was missing from my the test results I posted here earlier.
Same tyres & same testing conditions produced a 7:35:710.
That puts it less than seven tenths behind the Shelby GT500 and just over 3 seconds in front of the '10 Camaro.

I'm very tempted to test the premium classic Muscle Cars on the Nordschleife too using their original gearbox ratios but with taller final drive/diff ratios so that they're not bouncing off the rev limiter for the majority of the lap.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

So after all that testing, the '08 Viper & '04 Vette are inseparable on 39 points each
Amazing.

On another sort of related note, I took the '04 Vette for a test session at the Nordschleife as it was missing from my the test results I posted here earlier.
Same tyres & same testing conditions produced a 7:35:710.
That puts it less than seven tenths behind the Shelby GT500 and just over 3 seconds in front of the '10 Camaro.

I'm very tempted to test the premium classic Muscle Cars on the Nordschleife too using their original gearbox ratios but with taller final drive/diff ratios so that they're not bouncing off the rev limiter for the majority of the lap.

I thought the ACR with its down force would perform better, but I guess the others were just that much better. The 04 Z06 is not as good as the tunes that finished ahead of it.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 5: Team Battle II
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The second Team Battle, same rules and points system as the first. All cars at 630pp with flat floors and tuned to 1250kg. The tracks are slightly different however, and for two of the tracks, Racing Medium tires were used. Each track had a different testing order (as did the first battle) and I usually did fastest to the slowest. There was a curve ball during testing, but that will be explained later.



Track 1: Indy Road Course {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (18pts) - 1:26.913 - Corvette ZR1 '09
1st (18pts) - 1:26.913 - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd (16pts) - 1:27.821 - Corvette Stingray '14
4th (12pts) - 1:28.366 - Viper GTS '13
5th (9pts) - 1:28.930 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
6th (3pts) - 1:28.956 - Viper GTS R Concept '00

Track 2: Eifel Woods (as built by me) {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:26.576 - Corvette ZR1 '09
2nd (16pts) - 1:26.791 - Viper GTS '13
3rd (12pts) - 1:26.929 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
4th (9pts) - 1:26.954 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
5th (6pts) - 1:27.051 - Corvette Z06 '06
6th (3pts) - 1:27.697 - Corvette Stingray '14

Track 3: Daytona Road Course {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:39.461 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:39.710 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:40.008 - Corvette Stingray '14
4th (9pts) - 1:40.447 - Corvette ZR1 '09
5th (6pts) - 1:40.524 - Viper GTS '13
6th (3pts) - 1:40.866 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13

Track 4: Infineon/Sonoma (as built by @Venari ) {Racing Medium Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:35.344 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
2nd (16pts) - 1:35.388 - Corvette ZR1 '09
3rd (12pts) - 1:36.313 - Corvette Z06 '06
4th (9pts) - 1:36.493 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:37.613 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
6th (3pts) - 1:37.811 - Corvette Stingray '14

Track 5: Garden State Raceway (as built by me) {Racing Medium Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:13.848 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
2nd (16pts) - 1:13.912 - Corvette ZR1 '09
3rd (12pts) - 1:14.121 - Corvette Z06 '06
4th (9pts) - 1:14.340 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:14.384 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
6th (3pts) - 1:14.389 - Corvette Stingray '14


Results:
1st: 79pts - Corvette ZR1 '09
2nd: 68pts - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd: 54pts - Viper GTS R Concept '00
4th: 49pts - Viper GTS '13
5th: 47pts - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
6th: 33pts - Corvette Stingray '14

Team points:
Vette - 180
Viper - 150


*tracks not listed in testing order*


**Infineon/Sonoma can be found at https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/resources/sonoma-sears-point-infineon-with-hills.2479/


***Garden State Raceway is a short track with a steep hill climb, blind corners and a downhill slalom.

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[RiffleKing]

Viper GTS '13
Team Viper Flat Floor
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Paint: GTS Blue Pearl (was Shadow Blue factory)
Rims: Ray's 57Xtreme (inch+1) GT Chrome 009-N

PP: 630
HP: 735
WEIGHT: 1250kg
WEIGHT DIST: 50:50
TIRE(S): Sports: Soft / Racing: Hard

GT Auto:
Oil Change - No
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - Type C
Wing - Custom = F-C-C Height +0, Width +0
Flat Floor - Installed
Other - Part B and Viper red Calipers

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - 95 / 95
SPRINGS - 10.75 / 11.75
COMP - 5 / 7
EXT - 7 / 6
ARB - 4 / 4
CAMBER - 0.0 / 0.0
TOE - -0.18 / 0.06
BRAKES - 6 / 7

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - 5.000
TOP SPEED TO - 149
1ST - 3.340
2ND - 2.210
3RD - 1.585
4TH - 1.210
5TH - 0.980
6TH - 0.825
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.400
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 11
ACCEL - 14
DECEL - 16

CLUTCH TYPE: Triple-Plate
CARBON SHAFT: Installed
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Stage 1
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Racing
MANIFOLD - Isometric
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Sports
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO -
POWER LIMITER - 95.2%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Stage 3
CARBON HOOD - Body Color
WINDOW WEIGHT - Installed

BALLAST - 5kg @ 0
DOWNFORCE - 0 / 15

NOTE: This one is equally as enjoyable as the 600pp, for this tune I updated my FITT Viper Strike tune. If it were this good then, I might have finished better. But this was not tuned for Trial Mountain, but for World Race Tracks.

Awesome! Easily beats Ia 600pp race cars and looks good doing it. I chose the low profile "special" wing and already had a rigidity improvement installed. I'm not sure if it hurt anything, maybe the rigidity added a tad more understeer here and there?

I've been enjoying your CTS-V ,Camaro SS Touring Car and GT-R Touring Cars a lot as well. I love what you do with the higher PP cars. Just thought I'd stop in to give a 👍

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Awesome! Easily beats Ia 600pp race cars and looks good doing it. I chose the low profile "special" wing and already had a rigidity improvement installed. I'm not sure if it hurt anything, maybe the rigidity added a tad more understeer here and there?

I've been enjoying your CTS-V ,Camaro SS Touring Car and GT-R Touring Cars a lot as well. I love what you do with the higher PP cars. Just thought I'd stop in to give a 👍

Well thank you very much, I am a Chevy guy but that Viper puts a smile on my face. The 580pp tune (which I lowered to 575pp), the 600 and 630 flat floor versions are more competitive than all the other Vipers. Rear wing is cosmetic and which one does not matter, my 575pp has the special blade style on it. Not quite sure what improved rigidity would do, though my guess would be tighter in the corners.

 

[RiffleKing]

Well thank you very much, I am a Chevy guy but that Viper puts a smile on my face. The 580pp tune (which I lowered to 575pp), the 600 and 630 flat floor versions are more competitive than all the other Vipers. Rear wing is cosmetic and which one does not matter, my 575pp has the special blade style on it. Not quite sure what improved rigidity would do, though my guess would be tighter in the corners.

A Chevy guy!? I never would have guessed.
Have you been to the Mid America Motorworks in Effingham, IL? If you're ever on that part of I-57, it's worth the stop for any car guy but especially if you like fast Chevy's. There is an amazing collection on display to the public.

I'll be sure to try those other versions. I may end up buying another '13 Viper and forego the rigidity improvement this time. The winning tune of the FITT Viper challenge had called for it and that tune just didn't agree with me for some reason. Do you prefer these Vipers or the Launch Edition?

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

A Chevy guy!? I never would have guessed.
Have you been to the Mid America Motorworks in Effingham, IL? If you're ever on that part of I-57, it's worth the stop for any car guy but especially if you like fast Chevy's. There is an amazing collection on display to the public.

I'll be sure to try those other versions. I may end up buying another '13 Viper and forego the rigidity improvement this time. The winning tune of the FITT Viper challenge had called for it and that tune just didn't agree with me for some reason. Do you prefer these Vipers or the Launch Edition?

Honestly, I think they are the same. I purposely tuned them with different power parts. I also tried slightly different suspension settings.

And sorry but no, been up and down the east coast but never to the mid west.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 6: Team Battle III
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For this stage, the same point system will apply. The cars this time are race cars (ACR has front and rear downforce though not adjustable) tunes to 600pp and run on Racing Hard tires. 5 tracks, some the same as before but with another (Laguna) added to the mix. 5 laps per car, per track.

Track 1: Indy Road Course
1st (20pts) - 1:27.242 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:28.389 - Corvette C5R '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:29.491 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) # 51 '00
4th (9pts) - 1:29.637 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 2: Eifel Woods
1st (20pts) - 1:27.434 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:27.533 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:28.148 - Corvette C5R '00
4th (9pts) - 1:29358 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 3: Red Rock Valley Speedway (as built by @nowcontrol) found here
1st (20pts) - 1:23.183 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
2nd (16pts) - 1:24.839 - Corvette C5R '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:25.332 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
4th (9pts) - 1:26.109 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 4: Mazda Laguna Seca
1st (20pts) - 1:20.961 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:21.591 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:21.895 - Corvette C5R '00
4th (9pts) - 1:23.596 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 5: Daytona Road Course (day)
1st (20pts) - 1:41.914 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:42.599 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
3rd (12pts) - 1:43.208 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
4th (9pts) - 1:43.322 - Corvette C5R '00

Results:
1st: 92 points - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd: 76 points - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd: 64 points - Corvette C5R '00
4th: 52 points - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Team Points:
Vette: 156 points
Viper: 128 points

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

What if? - Part 1

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My original plan was to run the ACR at 600pp and 630pp with flat floors and the Viper GTS R Concept '00 at 600pp on RH with the Race Cars. I even thought of building a 630pp Concept Viper and C5R to compete with the Z06 LM and the Team Oreca #51 (oops, gave away the next stage there didn't I).
But, while testing the 630pp flat floor cars, during the third track it became obvious that the pp hit the ACR was taking for both flat floor and down force was rendering it completely noncompetitve. So I had a few choices, A) remove the ACR and replace it with the Concept Viper, B) leave it and watch it get crushed, C) replace it with a non flat floor ACR. I chose option A. I then replaced the Concept ACR in the 600pp Race Cars with the ACR at 600pp without a flat floor. Horsepower was similar and having front and rear downforce seemed to make sense. And since the Concept Viper seemingly comes with a flat floor.....well, that's what I was going to do.

But what if I had not made any changes? I will be giving out the results for those three "What if's" before moving on to the final two stages. So here are the results for the 630pp flat floors had I LEFT the ACR in.



Track 1: Indy Road Course {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (18pts) - 1:26.913 - Corvette ZR1 '09
1st (18pts) - 1:26.913 - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd (12pts) - 1:27.821 - Corvette Stingray '14
4th (9pts) - 1:28.366 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:28.564 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08
6th (3pts) - 1:28.930 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13

Track 2: Eifel Woods (as built by me) {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:26.576 - Corvette ZR1 '09
2nd (16pts) - 1:26.791 - Viper GTS '13
3rd (12pts) - 1:26.929 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
4th (9pts) - 1:27.051 - Corvette Z06 '06
5th (6pts) - 1:27.697 - Corvette Stingray '14
6th (3pts) - 1:27.948 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 3: Daytona Road Course {Racing Hard Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:39.461 - Corvette Z06 '06
2rd (16pts) - 1:40.008 - Corvette Stingray '14
3th (12pts) - 1:40.447 - Corvette ZR1 '09
4th (9pts) - 1:40.524 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:40.866 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
6th (3pts) - 1:41.874 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 4: Infineon/Sonoma (as built by @Venari ) {Racing Medium Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:35.344 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
2nd (16pts) - 1:35.388 - Corvette ZR1 '09
3rd (12pts) - 1:36.313 - Corvette Z06 '06
4th (9pts) - 1:36.493 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:37.811 - Corvette Stingray '14
6th (3pts) - 1:37.933 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Track 5: Garden State Raceway (as built by me) {Racing Medium Tires}
1st (20pts) - 1:13.912 - Corvette ZR1 '09
2nd (16pts) - 1:14.121 - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd (12pts) - 1:14.340 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:14.384 - Viper GTS Launch Ed '13
5th (6pts) - 1:14.389 - Corvette Stingray '14
6th (3pts) - 1:14.522 - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Results:
1st: 86pts - Corvette ZR1 '09
2nd: 75pts - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd: 55pts - Viper GTS '13
4th: 50pts - Viper GTS Launch Edition '13
5th: 46pts - Corvette Stingray '14
6th: 18pts - Viper SRT10 ACR '08

Team points:
Vette - 207
Viper - 123

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

" Vette vs Viper"

What if?: Part II

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Next what if scenario, I removed the ACR flat floor from the 630pp, but should I for the 600pp? I did not. The reason being that I did not feel it was that far behind and having built two flat floor ACRs, I felt at least one of them needed to be used even though the 600pp was used in the Head to Head stage. But what would the results looked like if I had replaced it with the Viper Concept R?


Track #1: Eifel Woods (as built by me, found here)
1st (20pts) - 1:29.106 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
2nd (16pts) - 1:29.436 - Viper GTS '13
3rd (12pts) - 1:29.592 - Corvette Z06 '06
4th (9pts) - 1:29.843 - Corvette Z06 '04
5th (6pts) - 1:30.094 - Corvette Stingray '14
6th (3pts) - 1:30.951 - Viper GTS '02

Track #2: Red Rock Valley (as built by @nowcontrol , found here)
1st (20pts) - 1:25.535 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:26.479 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:27.097 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:27.582 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
5th (6pts) - 1:27.872 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (3pts) - 1:28.664 - Viper GTS '02

Track #3: Daytona Road Course (day)
1st (20pts) - 1:42.524 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
2nd (16pts) - 1:42.531 - Corvette Z06 '06
3rd (12pts) - 1:43.110 - Corvette Stingray '14
4th (9pts) - 1:43.538 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:44.302 - Viper GTS '02
6th (3pts) - 1:45.148 - Corvette Z06 '04

Track #4: Willow Springs
1st (20pts) - 1:11.335 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:12.212 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:12.400 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 1:12.715 - Corvette Z06 '04
5th (6pts) - 1:12.841 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
6th (3pts) - 1:13.201 - Viper GTS '02

Results:
1st: Corvette Z06 '06 - 68 points
2nd: Corvette Stingray '14 - 57 points
3rd: Viper GTS R Concept '00 - 52 points
4th: Viper GTS '13 - 50 points
5th: Corvette Z06 '04 - 27 points
6th: Viper GTS '02 - 24 points

Team points:
Vette - 137
Viper - 122

Bonus: What if you added the times from the Head to Head Battle from Stage 2?

Track: Indy Road Course
1st (20pts) - 1:31.652 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 1:32.186 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 1:32.207 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
4th (9pts) - 1:32.449 - Viper GTS '13
5th (6pts) - 1:32.975 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (3pts) - 1:33.437 - Viper GTS '02

Track: Bowling Green Raceway (as built by me)
1st (20pts) - 2:03.433 - Corvette Z06 '06
2nd (16pts) - 2:003.491 - Corvette Stingray '14
3rd (12pts) - 2:03.898 - Viper GTS '13
4th (9pts) - 2:04.331 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
5th (6pts) - 2:05.063 - Corvette Z06 '04
6th (3pts) - 2:05.552 - Viper GTS '02


Updated results:
1st: Corvette Z06 '06 - 104 points
2nd: Corvette Stingray '14 - 86 points
3rd Viper GTS R Concept '00 - 73 points
4th: Viper GTS '13 - 70 points
5th: Corvette Z06 '04 - 33 points
6th: Viper GTS '02 - 27 points

Team points:
Vette - 226
Viper - 170

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

What if?: Part III​

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Final What if?, I chose to use the ACR at 600pp (with out flat floor) against the other 600pp race cars. The reason, it has downforce front and rear (though non-adjustable) whereas the Concept Viper has a bunch of rear only and is heavier. I also felt it could be faster depending on the track, and this way one flat floor was used and one each of the ACR and Concept Viper. But what if I had used the GTS R Concept instead?

Track 1: Indy Road Course
1st (20pts) - 1:27.242 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:28.389 - Corvette C5R '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:28.956 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
4th (9pts) - 1:29.491 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) # 51 '00

Track 2: Eifel Woods
1st (20pts) - 1:27.434 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:27.533 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:29.106 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
4th (9pts) - 1:29.358 - Corvette C5R '00

Track 3: Red Rock Valley Speedway (as built by @nowcontrol) found here
1st (20pts) - 1:23.183 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
2nd (16pts) - 1:24.839 - Corvette C5R '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:25.332 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
4th (9pts) - 1:27.582 - Viper GTS R Concept '00

Track 4: Mazda Laguna Seca
1st (20pts) - 1:20.961 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:21.591 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:21.895 - Corvette C5R '00
4th (9pts) - 1:23.797 - Viper GTS R Concept '00

Track 5: Daytona Road Course (day)
1st (20pts) - 1:41.914 - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd (16pts) - 1:42.524 - Viper GTS R Concept '00
3rd (12pts) - 1:43.208 - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
4th (9pts) - 1:43.322 - Corvette C5R '00

Results:
1st: 92 points - Corvette Z06 LM Race Car
2nd: 73 points - Viper GTS-R (Team Oreca) #51 '00
3rd: 64 points - Corvette C5R '00
4th: 55 points - Viper GTS R Concept '00

Team Points:
Vette: 156 points
Viper: 128 points

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

"Vette vs Viper"

Stage 7: One on One

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For this stage, the tune for the Z06 Race Car is old and untouched, the Viper is new. Both cars were tested on multiple tracks and used Racing Hard and Medium tires, and tuned to 630pp. Each car was given 5 laps unless it beat the lap of the other car. Generally speaking, fastest car from the previous track was up first, meaning the Vette was almost always up first. Expected more from the Vette but it could just be my tune for it. Or that the Vette is just a better car at this pp level.

Racing Hard
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Track 1: Indy Road Course
Vette - 1:24.440
Viper - 1:26.628

Track 2: Eifel Woods (as built by me)
Vette - 1:24.793
Viper - 1:24.574

Track 3: Daytona Road Course (day)
Vette - 1:39.158
Viper - 1:41.885

Track 4: Willow Springs
Vette - 1:08.135
Viper - 1:08.707

Track 5: Laguna Seca
Vette - 1:19.425
Viper - 1:19.508

Track 6: Suzuka (East)
Vette - 46.639
Viper - 47.152

Track 7: Red Bull (Short)
Vette - 46.596
Viper - 47.320

Racing Medium
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Track 8: Road America (as built by @smskeeter23 )
Vette - 1:56.376
Viper - 1:58.920

Track 9: Infineon/Sonoma (as built by @Venari )
Vette - 1:31.742
Viper - 1:32.695

Track 10: Nurb GP/D
Vette - 1:21.980
Viper - 1:22.811

Track 11: Silverstone International
Vette - 58.902
Viper - 59.466

Track 12: Brands Hatch GP '80s
Vette - 1:18.829
Viper - 1:21.007

Track 13: Twin Ring Motegi East
Vette - 1:15.167
Viper - 1:15.447

Track 14: Monza (with chicane)
Vette - 1:39.187
Viper - 1:40.590