Brexit - The UK leaves the EU

Deal or No Deal?

  • Voted Leave - May's Deal

  • Voted Leave - No Deal

  • Voted Leave - Second Referendum

  • Did not vote/abstained - May's Deal

  • Did not vote/abstained - No Deal

  • Did not vote/abstained - Second Referendum

  • Voted Remain - May's Deal

  • Voted Remain - No Deal

  • Voted Remain - Second Referendum


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Meanwhile Donald Tusk is asking the EP as a whole to consider the 6 million europeans about to be left on their own in an Island …


Last time I checked 6 was a smaller number than 17.4.

Tusk has never seemed even remotely capable of accepting that a large number of British people don't like being in the EU. Tusk should either respect the result of the referendum or shut his face.

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As for the UK, I reckon that Jeremy Corbyn should resign as the Labour leader very soon - May still has a chance of leaving her office with a shred of credibility... she will even likely win the war after losing almost every battle, and yet her fate has been sealed long ago. Corbyn, on the other hand, has been consistently pathetic, spineless and thoroughly out of step with his own party... and, worse still, has not only contributed nothing positive to the Brexit process, but (amazingly) has also failed spectacularly to lead a credible opposition to it.
 
The biggest problem with a second referendum apart from time to make it happen would be if it goes the same way with a full no deal sceniaro, it will be looked very unfavourably in history as a moment democracy was ignored because the answer was wrong.
 
The biggest problem with a second referendum apart from time to make it happen would be if it goes the same way with a full no deal sceniaro, it will be looked very unfavourably in history as a moment democracy was ignored because the answer was wrong.

Democracy is allowed to change it's mind.
 
The biggest problem with a second referendum apart from time to make it happen would be if it goes the same way with a full no deal sceniaro, it will be looked very unfavourably in history as a moment democracy was ignored because the answer was wrong.
Honestly, whatever happens history is not going to look kindly on this whole sorry mess. There is no result that would leave the country with any sort of consensus. There are going to be divisions for decades to come. Our MP's need to grow a pair and do what is best for the country.
 
Democracy is allowed to change it's mind.
I remember very clearly that when the referendum happened they said there was no turning back from the choice that will be made.

Sure it can change it's mind but before the implementation of what was voted for does not sound like democracy to me.

A the end of the day the MPs have failed the UK people, they approved of this referendum yet they can't implement the result, which is a reflection of how poorly thought out the Referendum was.
 
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I remember very clearly that when the referendum happened they said there was no turning back from the choice that will be made.

I remember Farage saying that if it was a close call (assuming Leave just lost) there should be another vote, and my original post was an almost direct quote of one of the former Brexit Secretary
 
The biggest problem with a second referendum apart from time to make it happen would be if it goes the same way with a full no deal sceniaro,

The scenario wasn't in the referendum, it was Leave or Remain. As it is it looks like we leave with a deal that implements most of Remain. A loss for everybody, particularly those who don't want to lose their European citzenship along with those who want absolutely nothing to do with the EU as a political organisation.

We've voted to change our parliament since the referendum, I still think we should vote on the options (including revocation) just as our representatives are doing. That wouldn't be legally binding but then nor was the first Yes/No referendum.

Too late now, we're ****ed.
 
The scenario wasn't in the referendum, it was Leave or Remain. As it is it looks like we leave with a deal that implements most of Remain. A loss for everybody, particularly those who don't want to lose their European citzenship along with those who want absolutely nothing to do with the EU as a political organisation.
We get to leave without leaving, while also getting to remain while not remaining. That's the nature of compromise - no-one's happy :D
 
Some people will be glad to know that the UK Parliament, despite possible legal objections, has passed into law the change to the Brexit date by a majority of about 340.

That said, some 105 MPs voted not to change the date - which, had the motion failed, would have forced the UK out of the EU 50 hours from now.
 
Results of the 'Indicative Votes' on what the UK Parliament will do in terms of Brexit:

Brexit Option: Votes For - Votes Against

No Deal: 160 - 400
Common Market 2.0: 188 - 283
EFTA/EEA: 65 - 377
Customs Union: 264 - 272
Labour Brexit: 237 - 307
Revoke to avoid No Deal : 184 - 293
Confirmatory vote: 268 - 295
Contingent preferential arrangements (whatever the buggering hell that is, but it doesn't matter anyway): 139 - 422

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Sorry, but I just pissed myself laughing.
 
So since they've voted no on everything, does this only leave us with May's deal?
It leaves us with May's deal (likely not going to happen), No Brexit (now very unlikely), No Deal (against the will of Parliament, but is the legal default) - but my guess is another, much longer delay - however an extended delay requires the UK Parliament to vote in favour of taking part in EU elections.

No Deal remains the only possibility that does not require a majority in favour of it.

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The results above must also be taken in the context that the Cabinet abstained.
 
Results of the 'Indicative Votes' on what the UK Parliament will do in terms of Brexit:

Brexit Option: Votes For - Votes Against

No Deal: 160 - 400
Common Market 2.0: 188 - 283
EFTA/EEA: 65 - 377
Customs Union: 264 - 272
Labour Brexit: 237 - 307
Revoke to avoid No Deal : 184 - 293
Confirmatory vote: 268 - 295
Contingent preferential arrangements (whatever the buggering hell that is, but it doesn't matter anyway): 139 - 422

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Sorry, but I just pissed myself laughing.

When did you guys break your government?
 



Parliament took control of the government in order to have a vote no one could agree on. Our politicians have been fan-****ing-tastic but this is really something special :lol:Is
 
Meanwhile Donald Tusk is asking the EP as a whole to consider the 6 million europeans about to be left on their own in an Island …
The trouble is that it really doesn't matter what anyone who wants to stay in the EU does now. We had the chance to correct the referendum in the General Election. 80% of the vote went to the two parties that had leaving the EU in their manifesto's. The ONE party that would have kept us in the EU won 11 seats out of 650. No amount of signing an online petition or marching in London is going to change that.

We are getting what we deserve. That is democracy at work.
 
The trouble is that it really doesn't matter what anyone who wants to stay in the EU does now. We had the chance to correct the referendum in the General Election. 80% of the vote went to the two parties that had leaving the EU in their manifesto's. The ONE party that would have kept us in the EU won 11 seats out of 650. No amount of signing an online petition or marching in London is going to change that.

We are getting what we deserve. That is democracy at work.
To be fair, the SNP got 35 seats and they also oppose leaving the EU - and they have been consistently clear that we are better off inside a multinational union with common laws, a common currency, and a common market.



Oh, wait...
 
To be fair, the SNP got 35 seats and they also oppose leaving the EU - and they have been consistently clear that we are better off inside a multinational union with common laws, a common currency, and a common market.



Oh, wait...
That makes it even worse. A party that can ONLY be voted for by people living in a country with about twice the population of Yorkshire won more than three times as many seats as a party that could get votes in all the constituencies outside of Northern Ireland.
 
When did you guys break your government?
It's a good question. I mean, technically June 23rd 2016 really properly broke it, when a referendum only 10% of people seemed to actually want generated a result that 0% of people were expecting, but that was only really the turning point in what had been a 25-year collapse since the Maastricht Treaty in 1992.

Our voters broke first though. The country's largest protests to date were against intervening in the Iraq War, but the government took us into the conflict anyway less than four weeks later. And when it was time to vote them out, we voted them back in - which came as a massive surprise even to them, as they'd hobbled the economy to the point of collapse so that the next lot would get the blame and they'd be back in power inside five years.
 
I'm pretty sure that by now there are a bunch of British politicians popping up in the ocean near New Zealand.
 
The latest in a long line of "Boris Johnson is a ****" posts:
Today he voted in favour of May's deal, less than 24 hours after posting this article in the Telegraph.
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If we vote for the PM’s lamentable Withdrawal Agreement we are skewered. We run the risk of either weakening the Union, or else being forced to remain effectively part of the single market and customs union.
Full article:
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This was meant to have been a week of national jubilation. It was meant to be the week when church bells were rung, coins struck, stamps issued and bonfires lit to send beacons of freedom from hilltop to hilltop. This was the Friday when Charles Moore’s retainers were meant to be weaving through the moonlit lanes of Sussex, half blind with scrumpy, singing Brexit shanties at the tops of their voices and beating the hedgerows with staves. This was meant to be the week of Brexit. And what has happened instead? In one of the most protoplasmic displays of invertebracy since the Precambrian epoch, this Government has decided not to fulfil the mandate of the people. They have decided not to leave on Friday March 29.

In so doing, they have broken a promise the PM made more than 100 times at the despatch box – and the public is entitled to ask: why?


Is it really true that they are all panicked about the risk of leaving with no deal? Do they really believe Project Fear’s assertions about a murrain on our cattle and a plague of frogs?

Of course not. They have cancelled Brexit this Friday because they want to bully and browbeat Parliament into agreeing the Punic terms on which the EU insists.

We are on the horns of a dilemma. We are between a rock and a hard place; the devil and the deep blue sea. We have on one side the Scylla of the backstop and on the other the Charybdis of infinite parliamentary delay. We have the frying pan labelled Theresa May and the fire consisting of the new triumvirate of Oliver Letwin, Yvette Cooper and Nick Boles.

There are many MPs who fought for Brexit, and who care about it deeply, and who are wrestling with their consciences, and are frankly utterly furious that it has come to this.

So let me briefly set out the choices – in case you have not been following. If we vote for the PM’s lamentable Withdrawal Agreement we are skewered. We run the risk of either weakening the Union, or else being forced to remain effectively part of the single market and customs union. But if we vote it down again there is now I think an appreciable risk that we will not leave at all.

Because on Monday night we saw the extraordinary spectacle of a government collaborating in the hijacking of the ship of state – captain and crew cravenly handing the helm to the pirate Letwin – so that these backbenchers are now charting the way ahead. And though it is absolutely true that the whole problem with the last three years has been a lack of direction ... we are now faced with an even wider range of destinations – second referendum, general election, longer extension, or the Boles/Letwin model – Norway/customs union/plus backstop – none of which correspond remotely to what the people voted for; none of which delivers Brexit.


I wish that we could remember that this is the 5th or 6th biggest economy on Earth; the second biggest military power in Nato, and that we had the guts to go one last time to tell them in Brussels that we cannot accept the constitutional humiliation of that backstop. And if they say no, I wish we could – as I have said before – channel the spirit of Moses and Aaron in Exodus and say to the pharaohs of Brussels, “let my people go”.

Because I tell you this – there will be Mars bars, and there will be drinking water. And the planes will fly and the sun will come up in the morning, because even now ... that is the truest and best way to do justice to the courage and self-belief of the 17.4 million who voted to leave.


If politicians adopt that self-confidence, we can turn Brexit into what it should be – a story of hope and opportunity. And if we are to achieve that we must come out properly, and take back control, and get it done now.
 
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