Britain - The Official Thread

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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
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Another interesting link to share, this time a podcast. To be honest, I wasn't aware of many of the things brought up in this podcast and largely dismissed the antisemitism as Corbyn not getting rid of some ****** dickheads and political posturing by the Tories. Seems I was pretty far off base... That said, it's a pretty in-depth and brutal look at Labour under it's current leader.

https://audioboom.com/channels/5016299

The first episode features former Labour councillor Adam Langleben, Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland and human rights barrister Adam Wagner.
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False. It's a warning to UK nationals that if they don't leave on the next available flights, they are running the risk of not being able to leave at all - firstly because there will be no flights for them to catch, and secondly (and more importantly) they could well find themselves trapped inside towns and cities that have been sealed off. It is a pretty sensible warning, but I expect most people who wanted to or could leave have probably already done so.
 
Daz555
It's advice. That's all.
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Will the government charter flights and undertake negotiations with China to facilitate this advised evacuation? What of the status of wives and children who do not have the proper papers? Are these 30,000 people to be quarantined individually for 14 days at a military base? That's a lot of rooms.
 
Dotini
Will the government charter flights and undertake negotiations with China to facilitate this advised evacuation? What of the status of wives and children who do not have the proper papers? Are these 30,000 people to be quarantined individually for 14 days at a military base? That's a lot of rooms.
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No proper papers? In China? Really?

British citizens will be allowed to leave. Chinese husbands/wives without dual nationality will not be allowed to leave. Those with dual nationality including children may be allowed to leave, possibly depending on a dice role. :irked:

Taken a flight at a time and distributed to different bases. Not much of an issue.
 
So, Scotland's Finance Minister, Derek Mackay, has quit and been suspended from the SNP after The Sun newspaper published messages he has been exchanging with a 16 year old boy. This also happens to be the day he was supposed to be presenting the Scottish Government's budget.

Mackay sent some 270 messages to the boy, called him "cute", and invited him to meet him. Mackay describes his actions as "foolish". I can think of a few more accurate words.
 
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Touring Mars
Mackay sent some 270 messages to the boy, called him "cute"
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Supposedly the first contact was via social media, he didn't know the boy and hadn't met him before that, which is even weirder. One newspaper suggests that he even contacted other family members, begging them to allow the boy to come in his box for a football match.

It's an astonishing lack of judgement as much as an astonishing lack of moral fibre. Very weird story.
 
Tired Tyres
After being given an instruction no one could agree to. That was a firing in all but name.
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Yes... a perk of the #2 job in Government - you are allowed to tell people you quit instead of saying you were fired.

Saying that, I'm not Chancellor of the Exchequer is #2 any more - that's more likely the Prime Minister... Dominic Cummings appears to be in control now.
 
Boris Johnson won't say who really paid for his free holiday to a private Caribbean island after his millionaire friend denied footing the bill
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-david-ross-private-caribbean-island-mustique-millionaire-denies-2020-2



It's worrying, how quickly our government is slipping. Ministers openly questioning the abilities of our judges, seemingly looking to put the BBC in a weaker position, using OFCOM to 'police the internet' and filling it's own benches with more and more ardent supporters of hard lines. Without any serious opposition Jonson seems a good shoe in for re-election. We shift further and further into an authoritarian regime.
 
baldgye
Boris Johnson won't say who really paid for his free holiday to a private Caribbean island after his millionaire friend denied footing the bill
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-david-ross-private-caribbean-island-mustique-millionaire-denies-2020-2



It's worrying, how quickly our government is slipping. Ministers openly questioning the abilities of our judges, seemingly looking to put the BBC in a weaker position, using OFCOM to 'police the internet' and filling it's own benches with more and more ardent supporters of hard lines. Without any serious opposition Jonson seems a good shoe in for re-election. We shift further and further into an authoritarian regime.
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You want to look at the success rate of overturning a 80 seat majority mate. He isn't in for 5 years. It is a practically guaranteed 10 years.
 
Tired Tyres
You want to look at the success rate of overturning a 80 seat majority mate. He isn't in for 5 years. It is a practically guaranteed 10 years.
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There are other factors though. Many voted for Johnson because they wanted Brexit, not because they wanted him or the Tories, these voters may drop away, or return to voting the way they did before. Labour voters that went Blue because of Corbyn or Brexit will also have different voting criteria next time. Labour lost more seats than the Conservatives gained, and despite picking up 48 extra seats, only 330,000 more people voted Conservative this time around... Labour lost the election far more then the Tories won it... and the two biggest issues (Corbyn himself, and Brexit) won't be there next time. Conceivably the next few years could be very rough for Johnson, and Labour have the opportunity to re-invent themselves. I wouldn't take it too foregranted that Johnson will get 10 years, personally, it's conceivable that support for the Tories will move back to the levels that required coalitions and confidence and supply agreements.

Of course, with the Conservatives in power they'll only seek to strengthen their position by further undermining the idea of a democratic system, so who knows.
 
MatskiMonk
There are other factors though. Many voted for Johnson because they wanted Brexit, not because they wanted him or the Tories, these voters may drop away, or return to voting the way they did before. Labour voters that went Blue because of Corbyn or Brexit will also have different voting criteria next time. Labour lost more seats than the Conservatives gained, and despite picking up 48 extra seats, only 330,000 more people voted Conservative this time around... Labour lost the election far more then the Tories won it... and the two biggest issues (Corbyn himself, and Brexit) won't be there next time. Conceivably the next few years could be very rough for Johnson, and Labour have the opportunity to re-invent themselves. I wouldn't take it too foregranted that Johnson will get 10 years, personally, it's conceivable that support for the Tories will move back to the levels that required coalitions and confidence and supply agreements.

Of course, with the Conservatives in power they'll only seek to strengthen their position by further undermining the idea of a democratic system, so who knows.
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Given how rotten Labour STILL is with antisemitism and the pieces of **** that Corbyn and his cronies enabled in the Labour party, the split/splinter faction it created and the fact there isn't a clear new leader or direction for the party to take... I can't see them being in a position to be a real threat to Johnson in 2024
 
baldgye
Given how rotten Labour STILL is with antisemitism and the pieces of **** that Corbyn and his cronies enabled in the Labour party, the split/splinter faction it created and the fact there isn't a clear new leader or direction for the party to take... I can't see them being in a position to be a real threat to Johnson in 2024
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Totally plausible they'll find themselves in the same situation, however there's a few years to go yet. Between Kinnock and Blair, old Labour and new Labour, the party had 2 other leaders, Blair had what, 2 or 3 years to sort things out and he wiped the floor the Tories.

Also, if you genuinely believe Brexit will be disastrous for the country, what's going to get Johnson off the hook? Who knows, maybe he'll have scarpered by then!
 
Well, Starmer's talking about backing electoral reform... might be enough for me to vote Labour again next time around if he gets in and makes some promises.
 

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