Britain - The Official Thread

[Fezzik]

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To be fair to Gove he did acknowledge that

Kemi Badenoch: I would give JK Rowling a peerage

The Tory leadership candidate says ‘all sorts of oddballs and bad people’ are attacking sex-based rights activists

www.thetimes.com

Kemi going for the Mumsnet/Mail terf vote

 

[HenrySwanson]

"Envy of the world"

 

[XJ40]

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"Envy of the world"

I live in Scotland, less densely populated than South of the border. Getting a GP appointment is... awkward. Unless I'm dead or dying I tend to turn up at 5 to 8 and speak to the receptionists, amongst the ringing phones.

Over my life I've had several operations after speaking to the frankly awesome staff from initial GP to Consultants/specialists.

The NHS has always been there when I have needed it.

Now, devil's advocate: I think it would have been a different story if I had lived in bigger cities such as London or Birmingham. Even Glasgow or Edinburgh. So many more people requiring the same service.

Now let's imagine I live in the USA.

"Envy of the world"

Yes, very much so.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I live in Scotland, less densely populated than South of the border. Getting a GP appointment is... awkward. Unless I'm dead or dying I tend to turn up at 5 to 8 and speak to the receptionists, amongst the ringing phones.

Over my life I've had several operations after speaking to the frankly awesome staff from initial GP to Consultants/specialists.

The NHS has always been there when I have needed it.

Now, devil's advocate: I think it would have been a different story if I had lived in bigger cities such as London or Birmingham. Even Glasgow or Edinburgh. So many more people requiring the same service.

Now let's imagine I live in the USA.

"Envy of the world"

Yes, very much so.

This doesn't make sense. The world is not the UK and USA only.

The NHS needs both funding and reforming.

 

[Liquid]

In Slovakia, I went for a check up yesterday for my broken collar bone. I had checked carefully because I have to work:

"Is the clinic open in the afternoon?"
"Yes, until 5pm."
"And the X-ray department?"
"Yes, same times."

Okay, so I went there after work.

"Oh, the doctor's not here. He always leaves at 12."

Sure, the language barrier is one thing but why the radiology clinic and actual X-raying operations are open for four hours without attending doctors I do not know.

There's not a country in the world without a messed up healthcare system. The sheer scale of the operation guarantees it.

The NHS needs both funding and reforming.

I agree. But reform in the sense of modernising (old computers and wacky processes) rather than streamlining (cutting jobs and services in the name of efficiency).

 

[HenrySwanson]

There's not a country in the world without a messed up healthcare system. The sheer scale of the operation guarantees it.

There will be good and bad ones. I'm thinking more your South Koreas and Denmarks of the world.

I agree. But reform in the sense of modernising (old computers and wacky processes) rather than streamlining (cutting jobs and services in the name of efficiency).

Definitely both. The capital budget has been abysmal but things like this are ludicrous. Plus there's the complete shambles of the ARRS money and the MAP/ANP/etc cockup

EDIT: Jesus, why does that post comparing it to ONE country get so many likes?! It really is like a religion

 

[XJ40]

This doesn't make sense. The world is not the UK and USA only.

The NHS needs both funding and reforming.

In what way does it not make sense to you?

I have relayed my experience of the NHS from my corner of the UK, a positive one, been unsure about busier parts of the UK. And glad I am not in the USA as the costs involved (I do not know the dollar figure, but probably more than my house) would have been mind numbing to me.

Also regarding "The world is not the UK and the USA only", I am aware of that....

 

[HenrySwanson]

In what way does it not make sense to you?

I have relayed my experience of the NHS from my corner of the UK, a positive one, been unsure about busier parts of the UK. And glad I am not in the USA as the costs involved (I do not know the dollar figure, but probably more than my house) would have been mind numbing to me.

Also regarding "The world is not the UK and the USA only", I am aware of that....

Because someone could have an equally positive experience in any other country (including the USA) and conclude their health service is the envy of the world.

It's anecdotal.

I mean, I'm happy you've had that experience, but the reality is we have stories such as:

Leeds adult ADHD clinic shut for referrals due to 10-year wait

Thousands of adults are currently waiting for an assessment with the Leeds-based service.

www.bbc.co.uk

It goes to my point in another thread that this part of the board is kinda stuck in the 2000s-2010s for whatever reason.