British GP to be held at Silverstone from 2010

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If they want it spectacular, then yes. If they want overtaking... hell no. On the other hand, it's 2009 regs - who knows how it'll work out?

I wonder, won't 1'13 laps be awfully short next year? Currently, the shortest circuits are 1'10 - with next year's regs, supposedly, cars will be several seconds slower..
 
If they want it spectacular, then yes. If they want overtaking... hell no. On the other hand, it's 2009 regs - who knows how it'll work out?

Actually, even in it's current layout, there are plenty of overtaking opportunities at Donington, more so than a flat circuit diagram suggests.

Senna seemed to think so anyway.

 
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Yes, but that's because a) it was raining and b) it was Senna. Hungary in '06 showed that you can overtake on any circuit so long as it's raining.

It's the British GP we are talking about. Of course it will be raining! :dopey:
 
Autosport.com
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/69022

'Donington reveals revamp plans'

Donington Park's owners have revealed details of their planned revamp of the venue that will make the race track suitable for Formula One when its first planned British Grand Prix takes place in 2010.

The current 2.5-mile circuit, which last hosted a Formula One race in 1993, will be extended by approximately half a mile thanks to the addition of a new loop at the final corner.

A new pit and paddock complex will be constructed on the inside of Starkey's Straight, while the Esses chicane may also be removed or reprofiled to extend the length of the new start-finish straight.


Track co-owner Simon Gillett, who admitted that keeping the run from Redgate to Coppice intact was a key part of their plans, explained his ideas for the new layout in this week's Autosport.

"Off the Melbourne loop, instead of going around Goddards corner and 180 degrees onto the [current] start-finish straight, you'll go straight on and do a half-mile loop before going back onto the [current] start-finish straight," he said.

Gillett confirmed that the circuit, which also hosts the British round of the MotoGP world championship in July, would remain open during the build that is scheduled to begin in October and will be overseen by FIA-favoured track designer Hermann Tilke.

"We close the circuit from October to March except for testing, and we're going to be doing the same this year," said Gillett. "During that period we're going to be doing all the works that need to be done to the track to bring us to FIA standard.

"We're building the pits and paddock on the infield next year, and there's no reason why race meetings can't happen at the same time. During the closed period we will be doing the cutting of the asphalt for the pitlane and for the track extension."

So er... It's just gonna be a larger 180 turn at the end of the lap? Fantastic..
 
If its a loop 'at the final corner' does that mean it will extend infield i wonder?
 
If its a loop 'at the final corner' does that mean it will extend infield i wonder?

Thats what it sounds like, it will extend towards Starkey's Brigge or maybe the Old Hairpin (creating a sort of Suzuka 130R-esque kink).
Will be interesting how that corner at Goddards turns out.
 
Hermann Tilke? When are they gonna get some new ideas instead of one bloke designing every bloody track? Other than that, I hope that new corner does turn out well.
 
Hermann Tilke? When are they gonna get some new ideas instead of one bloke designing every bloody track? Other than that, I hope that new corner does turn out well.
Tilke does some okay work; if the natural terrain is good (such as Istanbul Park) then the tracks shine. But if the land topography is flat, then his circuits do not tend to shine. His re-design of Hockenheim wasn't bad either, since there's a lot more overtaking points, and the field doesn't fan out as much because of the old, long straights broken up by chicanes.

For what it's worth, the USGP circuit (the inner section) at Indy wasn't designed by Tilke. It really was a bit Mickey-Mouse in some sections.
 
Istanbul isn't a greatest, either, in my opinion. Turn 8 is it's saviour, but that very corner is a nightmare for overtaking, since it's very close to the limit in terms of downforce-requirements for flat-out driving - looks fantastic for a hotlap, but doesn't help overtaking one bit, and neither does the bump in the middle of it. It appears to me he has a few basic corner-designs, which he just paints and repeats on different layouts. It worked at Malaysia, which I think is a great track, and apparently at Istanbul, which only I seem to dislike - but Bahrain is just a straight-hairpin-straight track, and Shanghai has too many long curves to allow overtaking or look interesting.

Indy may not have been his design, but it sure looks like his work. Plus, it's the infield of an oval - hardly a top location for a track. They probably had to add a few extra corners just to increase the length up to GP standards, which, within the oval, probably meant hairpins.
 
Actually, even in it's current layout, there are plenty of overtaking opportunities at Donington, more so than a flat circuit diagram suggests.

Senna seemed to think so anyway.



Didn't know Mr Ross was an F1 fan.

It is Jonathan Ross isn't it?
 
And probably widened. In its current form, it could hold F1 cars at that width, but it pales in comparison to other Tilke-fied circuits.

They'll probably change pit lane as well; after all, Senna set a fastest lap when he deliberately aborted a pit stop once, didn't he? I can't see the FIA being big on the idea of others doing it ...
 
And probably widened. In its current form, it could hold F1 cars at that width, but it pales in comparison to other Tilke-fied circuits.

They'll probably change pit lane as well; after all, Senna set a fastest lap when he deliberately aborted a pit stop once, didn't he? I can't see the FIA being big on the idea of others doing it ...

They're creating a new pit lane down Starkeys Straight.
 
I see. Has a proposal been put forward, and if so, where can I see it? If the new Start/Finish Line is on Sharkey's Straight, I imagine the Esses would have to go, or at the very least be smoothed out.
 
I see. Has a proposal been put forward, and if so, where can I see it? If the new Start/Finish Line is on Sharkey's Straight, I imagine the Esses would have to go, or at the very least be smoothed out.

I've seen one in Autosport, but I can't find a layout online of the new proposal. There will be a new half mile loop infield to and from Goddards. There is also talk of removing The Esses completely giving a nice fast run all the way from Copice to the Melbourne Loop.
 
I was just looking for a map and I came across a London street circuit map in Google Images, I was interested, so I clicked on it and directed me to this thread. :lol:
 
I've seen one in Autosport, but I can't find a layout online of the new proposal. There will be a new half mile loop infield to and from Goddards. There is also talk of removing The Esses completely giving a nice fast run all the way from Copice to the Melbourne Loop.
If the new Start/Finish Line is indeed on Sharkey's because the new pit lane is there - the only time they've been in different places was for the United States West GP at Long Beach, and that was due to safety reasons - then the Esses would indeed have to go. FIA regulations for Grand Prix circuits state that drivers have to be able to take the first corner at a certain speed to prevent bottlenecking and accidents. The obvious excepton is Spa, with the La Source hairpin as the first corner, however, that's because of the Bus Stop chicane, which slows the cars right down. Spa has the shortest main straight of any circuit on the calendar, and thus the drivers cannot build up much speed in time for the first corner.

But Sharkey's straight is a much long affair, and having seen videos of the circuit, the Esses are really quite narrow and clearly desiged to slow cars down (not to mention looking incredibly ugly and jarring in comparison to everywhere else on the circuit), so they'll have to go.
 
If the new Start/Finish Line is indeed on Sharkey's because the new pit lane is there - the only time they've been in different places was for the United States West GP at Long Beach, and that was due to safety reasons - then the Esses would indeed have to go.
Anderstorp ([wikipedia]Scandanavian Raceway[/wikipedia]) was also an exception, during the 1973-78 Swedish Grands Prix.
 
Plans have been revealed. Here's a rather large PDF of the layout. I really like it, that long sweeper in the infield looks like good fun!
 
I thought they had to extend it a lot more than that just to be able to have a long enough lap. Going to be a quick race, tough on engines, maybe tyre wear too?
 
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I like the look of the changes. Overtaking should be possible into turn 1, and the new, big long sweeper looks like a good corner.
 
I'm having a hard time understanding this track, but do you guys notice how short the circuit actually looks? The track time could be in the low 1.10's or 1.20's. I don't know, maybe it could be me but somehow the newer section of the track just doesn't look very long. As for the race, well I think the first few corners does look rather interesting (especially turn 2,3 and 4 before the old pit straight) and could quite have a few overtaking moves there. 👍
 
Now it is quite long. If you can remember the normal back straight before either the chicane going right-left or left-right if they are using the GP loop, then it is effectively, I think, the loop and the straight before it, but straightened out a little. I may be wrong, though. A shame they haven't put a scale to compare it with.
 
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