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[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I'm not saying that you can't drive, but perhaps he can make you better than you are.

There is always ways to make yourself better no matter how good a driver you are so willing to try anything 👍

I will add you as a friend, knock up an exact replica of mine and send it you with instructions for shifting and adjusting the gears. Just don't expect much from Monza. I bombed there last season. It's just the way it is.

Thanks Rob that would be a great help 👍

 

[azidahaka]

uhm is it ok to pass setups around like this? i thought it as a bit off the spirit of competition. I mean between team mates is ok but like this feels a bit weird

 

[Gedi69]

uhm is it ok to pass setups around like this? i thought it as a bit off the spirit of competition. I mean between team mates is ok but like this feels a bit weird

That's a bit harsh isnt it! Thought you was all racing buddies wanting close racing?

 

[rolo912011]

I agree that the Crossfire needs a weight reduction which will bring it closer to the FF's, also the G35 weight needs looking at (although it didn't run). This should close up the field without having to add weight to the FF cars.

We have had 1 race (yes we had some test races) but to be fair, the FR's haven't been on the track enough.

Crossfire weight reduction already done - down to 1380. G35 I could probably put back to 1350, but Rob told me it might be a bit too fast at that spec.

this championship will be won by either the ford or the alfa no one else has a chance

You don't know that. Rob will be up there. The fact he wasn't at Suzuka triggered the Crossfire weight change.

For some unknown reason Ford were much stronger in race 2+3. How much testing/practice had the Ford drivers done on Suzuka? Perhaps race 1 was their practice.

The Ford was setting better lap times than the Alfa too, but that said, slipstream can make a big difference on lap time.

Basically this in my case - I did about 6 laps before the event. I did a 16.6 in Race 3 I think, only because I was in your draft for the whole lap.

Yes slipstream can make a big difference on your lap time so long as you can stay close enough to the car in front to keep it and that is what the BMW can't do and then by the next bend you are too far away to have a real chance of a clean passing move. Suzuka should be a FR circuit but the lighter FF ran away with it and will be the whole season and nothing else has a shot at anything.

I am aware the BMW has been in your championship before but was it up against the same cars at the same weights?

I agree that maybe my power adding idea would be hard to police so not such a good idea but i think something needs to be done as the problem is only going to get worse at the rest of the tracks in the season. There seemed to be a 10mph difference at top end between the alfa/ford/mazda/dodge and the BMW at Suzuka! so how much will that gap be at monza? I would guess at least 20mph. This will mean that no matter how close you are at the start of the straight you will still be going slow enough that by the half way point of the straight you will no longer have slip stream and will lose even more time.

I just can't help but think that with a better top end in the BMW it would be able to be competitive but as it is it can't show its full potential.

The BMW can stay in the slipstream (given the right factors). The race at Sarthe last season, me in a Honda Civic, Rob in the BMW - I'm in front, he's behind. He just stays on my tail, gets enough stream to make the odd move. In fact, he almost had me in that race, which I was seriously impressed with.

Suzuka should indeed be an FR circuit, hence the Chrysler weight change. The BMW weight is fine, I'll keep saying it. Again, you don't know what will happen. And yes, the Ford has been the same spec since Season 1, and so has the BMW. When the Hondas were here they were also 1200 every season.

Once again, you don't know what will happen during the season. Monza definitely won't be FR-friendly, but there are other tracks on the calendar which hopefully will be. I try and design the calendar equally between more FF-friendly and more FR-friendly.

Sorry to say, but I think it's more the case that you can't show it's full potential yet. GT Academy showed you're a quick driver, but it might not be the car for you yet.

You really need to speak to ROB regarding the BMW. His is seriously fast, some of it is down to the tune, but I think that he has also learnt how to 'drive' the BMW to its potential. The racing line is critical when driving a slower car like the BM and I suggest that you ask whether you can follow him around a couple of tracks. I'm not saying that you can't drive, but perhaps he can make you better than you are.

This. Have a go.

Regarding the Ford's weight.. I think that to be honest - it's completely fine. It's been on 1200kg since Season 4 (when I started) and it's always been competitive (apart from mine)! Regarding the Dodge - it's also pretty damn quick!

EDIT: I'm not going to be in at Monza next week... Got some stuff on! But should be back for Round 3!

Dodge is OK, mosendtner was quite racy in it. karsten could maybe do with a little set-up help, maybe same with Brendon.

Noted about next week, don't think Paul is free so if gedi is...

Just run some laps at monza with the Mazda, nice little car, surprised more people aren't using it

...and if not, it's open for you. What car are you taking?

I think there needs to be some changes to one of the two cars, you should reduce the weights of cars that are struggling instead of adding weight to cars with the advantage, thats my view 💡

Hitting the Alfa but leaving the Ford would basically turn me into Furi

uhm is it ok to pass setups around like this? i thought it as a bit off the spirit of competition. I mean between team mates is ok but like this feels a bit weird

I'm completely fine with it. It would probably do you a favour more than most.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

uhm is it ok to pass setups around like this? i thought it as a bit off the spirit of competition. I mean between team mates is ok but like this feels a bit weird

If I were you I wouldn't be passing up any help captain.

 

[Ian_83]

I'll be rather blunt here. I'm willing to help anyone if I can, but I'm nt giving away my exact Alfa settings as I want to win this season. I've spent far too long developing that tune and although I want close racing, I would like mine and canyons Alfa's at the top.

However....I will help as much as I can, FF is my thing (apparently) and I struggle a little with FR, but I will try and tune anything. As canyon said earlier, I also work best tuning alongside someone else, preferably him as we are similar on pace and very competitive with each other.

If anyone needs a helping hand please ask and add me on PSN (if you haven't already) and we'll get a testing session organised and put your car through its paces. It would also be much easier if you have a mic.

I've not had any runs around Monza yet, but I'm hoping that the little Alfa will be quick. The gearing needs a few tweaks and possibly the spring rates. CANYON - When can you steal your boys ps3, we need a practice session? If anyone has done a few laps at Monza I'd be interested to know what times you're currently running?

EDIT// Thank you for the Dodge Rob. I'm testing and tuning it in my lounge if anyone wants to join in. I'll have a test around Suzuka first as I know what my Alfa is capable of around there.

 

[azidahaka]

concerning my srt4 setup, i think it's not so bad, mo used it lightly modded version of it.

i just feel the srt4 is the slowest FF car but as i said it just might be me

concerning setups sharing i always did it with team-mates.

@gedi sure we want, but are we sure that is what will happen?

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

The BMW can stay in the slipstream (given the right factors). The race at Sarthe last season, me in a Honda Civic, Rob in the BMW - I'm in front, he's behind. He just stays on my tail, gets enough stream to make the odd move. In fact, he almost had me in that race, which I was seriously impressed with.

Suzuka should indeed be an FR circuit, hence the Chrysler weight change. The BMW weight is fine, I'll keep saying it. Again, you don't know what will happen. And yes, the Ford has been the same spec since Season 1, and so has the BMW. When the Hondas were here they were also 1200 every season.

Once again, you don't know what will happen during the season. Monza definitely won't be FR-friendly, but there are other tracks on the calendar which hopefully will be. I try and design the calendar equally between more FF-friendly and more FR-friendly.

Sorry to say, but I think it's more the case that you can't show it's full potential yet. GT Academy showed you're a quick driver, but it might not be the car for you yet.

To be honest if Rob can stay in your slips like that then he must have something on the gearing that we can't figure thats making a hell of a difference.

I agree I don't know what will happen durin the season but i will be very shocked if I'm wrong about what car will be leading.

As for showing the cars full potential in a race, I couldn't stay in the slip of a FF even when i was on the power earlier and harder for any of the straight at suzuka. Meaning i could never make an indent even though ( up untill i crashed at least) i was always carrying more speed than most through the bends and even got up the side of some just after the apex but as soon as they put the power on after me they start to drive away.

Rob has said he is happy to help us try to figure where we are goin wrong but i can't help that think maybe specs are not working as well as you had hoped. I am aware that you hae run the bmw at these specs against similar specs on similar or same cars but I can't be the only one to think that the FR's are too heavy and sluggish or there would be more people would be using them.

 

[ROB 256R]

BTCC GT Academy Trophy Results:​

Congratulations to Red_Leader

I forgot to accept this. So, thanks 👍

 

[rolo912011]

i just feel the srt4 is the slowest FF car but as i said it just might be me

I wouldn't be surprised if it lack a few hundredths compared to the Ford/Alfa. This was when I ran it at 1250 though. I did a quick spin before Suzuka in the lounge at 1200kg (which some of you may have seen) and I matched my best Ford time until that point in it.

Rob has said he is happy to help us try to figure where we are goin wrong but i can't help that think maybe specs are not working as well as you had hoped. I am aware that you hae run the bmw at these specs against similar specs on similar or same cars but I can't be the only one to think that the FR's are too heavy and sluggish or there would be more people would be using them.

See how that goes and if there's still difficulties then I'll look into cutting the weight of the BMW down by 20/30kg. It's a shame hurleyman wasn't racing because he normally does pretty well in the BMW. That said, he's never been that keen on its lack of straight line.

 

[Ian_83]

concerning my srt4 setup, i think it's not so bad, mo used it lightly modded version of it.

i just feel the srt4 is the slowest FF car but as i said it just might be me

concerning setups sharing i always did it with team-mates.

I just tried the Dodge for the first time. After a few adjustments I posted a 2:17.5 on Suzuka which is nothing spectacular although I'm sure that a low 17 was possible. One thing that I did note, that Dodge has some serious power, with the right gearing it felt rapid and I'm begining to wonder whether it will be faster than out Alfa's at Monza.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

See how that goes and if there's still difficulties then I'll look into cutting the weight of the BMW down by 20/30kg. It's a shame hurleyman wasn't racing because he normally does pretty well in the BMW. That said, he's never been that keen on its lack of straight line.

Thanks Rolo 👍. I don't mean to bi**h and moan about something you have put hours of your life into trying to make a competitive championship for people to race in and have a lot of respect for you doing it and making it successful.

I know it is hard to properly balance cars in GT5 due to the regs we have to work with. At the risk of insulting someone i am going to mention the words Furi and TOCA9 .

He has held 8 official pre season test sessions on the tracks he is going to be using to race at to iron out any balance issues they have with the cars before the season gets going properly. From what I saw last night it seems to have worked really well and all the cars are 'about' equal. Maybe this could be an idea for future BTCC? To save issues after race 1.💡👍

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Err I think you just bitched.

 

[Furinkazen]

👍 JB!!!

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

Err I think you just bitched.

Yea a little, but if you experienced what I did at Suzuka you would understand

 

[rolo912011]

Hang on, what? All the TOCA cars are equal, but he did a rubbish job of balancing them?

Plus tests are only effective when people show, and if the people who show run a wide spectrum of cars. Trouble is, needs a lot of time and effort to prep and set-up each car to make it work properly.

I'm grateful to those who did show for the tests, turnouts of 10+ occasionally.

Perhaps I should lengthen the gap between BTCC series, but it would take weeks to get everything great, as people set-up their cars. Lots of wasted time not actually racing properly for anything.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

I was racing last night and all cars could keep up with each other. Some cars were not on track but they all seem to run in a tight pack.

 

[rolo912011]

I might organise car selection a bit differently in GT6, a method which may hopefully eliminate the problems.

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

It's a thought as I'm sure that this isn't the only time you have had issues

 

[rolo912011]

Never normally this bad...

 

[SkengD]

No matter how hard you try the cars wont be perfectly balanced but if you can get them within 2-3 tenths of each other then thats good to me and i believe thats what we have at the moment .

It can only get better , it cant get worse.

 

[Ian_83]

P1K3Y - what was your fastest ever lap around Suzuka?

 

[sibbystiggy]

Just did a 2.03.346 on monza, averaging 2.04.5-2.03.9s with the help of a ghost car, I'm sure the alfa can do a high 2.02 after alot of practice,
has anyone else set monza lap times yet?

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

P1K3Y - what was your fastest ever lap around Suzuka?

My fastest on suzuka I think was a 18.*** (no too sure and please bear in mind I had a lot less practice than everyone else) and I am sure having raced the other cars that a lot of the lost time is on the straights (yes some in bends due to tune, driver etc but not all)

 

[rolo912011]

1370kg on the BMW certainly sharpens its turn-in abilities. Can't say what effect that means for straight line.

Ran at Suzuka and did a 2:18.245 at 1370.. but then my FR skills never were the best.

Further to that, with the Crossfire at 1380 I was on course to do a 2:18.2 until I screwed up the chicane. I was 2 tenths up on a 2:18.4 lap into 130R.

hurley is currently in my lounge doing a BMW run at 1400...

 

[SkengD]

Stewards post updated

 

[P1K3Y_M1k3Y]

1370kg on the BMW certainly sharpens its turn-in abilities. Can't say what effect that means for straight line.

Ran at Suzuka and did a 2:18.245 at 1370.. but then my FR skills never were the best.

Further to that, with the Crossfire at 1380 I was on course to do a 2:18.2 until I screwed up the chicane. I was 2 tenths up on a 2:18.4 lap into 130R.

hurley is currently in my lounge doing a BMW run at 1400...

Well it's hard to know without testing but as a guess I would think that it wouldn't make that much difference. Although it might just be enough to be able to get out the corner that little bit quicker and give yourself a better chance. Or if not then at least it will be a little bit quicker through the bends making it possible to mount an attack easier there.

Rob popped in on me earlier while I was testing for TOCA and said he should be around on Tue eve to have some testing in the BMW 👍

 

[rolo912011]

1370 would be my final offer, depending on Tuesday. It would also mean the other FRs would lose 10 and drop to 1370.

 

[SkengD]

I think 1375 is a fair number .

 

[rolo912011]

70 is checkable and trustworthy, 75 isn't