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I didn't say that you couldn't talk about French cars. You're free to talk.
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if pescarolo was to come in I bagsy iy!He wasn't on about BTCC Contenders...
He's on about French Cars...
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If Bugatti was to come then I'm putting my name down! 
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I agree that we need to do some pre-season races to get a feel for the cars, but I'm not so sure that we need to be so exhaustive. I don't care what MY lap times are in the Jag, I'm opting for the Renault and therefore I'm more interested in what the Jag drivers are like in comparison to my Renault....I can't drive the Jag, so comparing my Renault lap time (or race pace) to that of a Jag being driven by me isn't going to reflect what the real race pace of the cars will be. I hope that made sense!
We now know more about GT6 than we did prior to BTCC-7, we have some cars which are a good match and should be competitive already and that's a great help. The new cars are the real issue here, they are unknown and the testing to ensure that they are in the same ball park is important.
How did we do the testing for BTCC-6? I know that there were a lack of people turning up but we did have some races which helped to iron out the creases.
As an incentive, why not offer a few (say 2 per test day) bonus points towards the championship for each driver that turns up to testing? Simplify the calendar and let people drive their chosen car and then we'll see whether or not we're roughly an equal match.
Ok, some people will naturally be quicker than others, but we know who the naturally gifted drivers are by now. We all know how to moan and complain about whether or not a car is too fast or too slow, so I'm sure that we'll still get some feedback.
We now know more about GT6 than we did prior to BTCC-7, we have some cars which are a good match and should be competitive already and that's a great help. The new cars are the real issue here, they are unknown and the testing to ensure that they are in the same ball park is important.
How did we do the testing for BTCC-6? I know that there were a lack of people turning up but we did have some races which helped to iron out the creases.
As an incentive, why not offer a few (say 2 per test day) bonus points towards the championship for each driver that turns up to testing? Simplify the calendar and let people drive their chosen car and then we'll see whether or not we're roughly an equal match.
Ok, some people will naturally be quicker than others, but we know who the naturally gifted drivers are by now. We all know how to moan and complain about whether or not a car is too fast or too slow, so I'm sure that we'll still get some feedback.
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At the moment I have 22.565.612 Credits and I have 28 more Ferraris in Reserve which I can sell each for another 8 Mio!
If only trading would still be possible I would give you all some Ferraris...
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I have to say this is a fine idea. I suppose all I personally want to know is how my Peugeot goes compared to the rest as well, so I can totally see your point.
I agree that the idea I had in mind is rather complicated, and as you say, quite exhaustive, perhaps unnecessarily so. I may be going too far in trying to encourage incentives.
But yeah, why not the same car for all, but change cars if you want?
BTCC-6 testing did involve one or two race nights I think.
OK, well I still plan on having three test nights, which should be enough to cover the calendar - with a spare race left over for a final 9th track which we could use as reserve.
What about if I award one point for every race that you do, so a maximum of 9 extra points? Fast drivers even if they never show up should be able to make up those 9 points in one race meeting, especially now the third race is back.
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I have +620 vehicles on my garage. I'm currently collecting all! I'm at 95% but I won't complete 100% until PD finishes his GT6 with all Vision GT's, Senna's, Course Maker....
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At the moment I have 22.565.612 Credits and I have 28 more Ferraris in Reserve which I can sell each for another 8 Mio!
If only trading would still be possible I would give you all some Ferraris...
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Unless you open your PS3 to fix.... You need thermal paste, an screwdriver, an heatgun.... Your PS3 had YLOD anytime?
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But you need to put Alchool to remove the old thermal paste. After that, put the heat gun and heat at low temperature for 15 minutes (in both sides) and then cool it down in 20 minutes, otherwise the PS3 will melt down. When it PS3 cooled down, put the thermal paste on CPU's without touching the motherboard (Otherwise it is damaged!!!)
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I wouldn't trust myself to do any of this...
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With a traditional PC (it's the same method) - you do not need the Heat Gun on a Re-Paste. You do need to make sure the HeatSink is firmly in contact with the CPU so that it makes best heat transfer. Also - don't apply too much Thermal Paste otherwise it does as much good as none at all. Lastly, you can touch the motherboard/logic board if you've touched something that's grounded (metal object). Or you can use an Anti-Static Wrist Strap and attach it to something like a Metal Chassis of a PC.
It's as simple as building a PC... Which isn't hard!
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Wow, I've had a good idea? That's it for this year then, I'm all out of good ideas now.
I'm glad that you like it. The additional bonus points are a great little incentive, it will encourage people to turn up, especially as the points are not able to be used in drop scores (please make them exempt) and anyone that doesn't bother to show to the testing will lose out. So bonus points are available for those that are committed to helping Rolo and the BTCC. That's far better than any Jack Spears trophy.
As I said earlier, I don't care whether or not I can drive the Nissan fast because that isn't my car of choice, what I would like to know is whether or not Skeng can drive it fast and whether I can keep up with him.
Let's be honest here, some drivers are amazingly fast, some are okay and a few struggle a bit. Without naming names, we all have a rough idea where we fit within the championship in terms of ability and therefore we're looking for the usual pattern when it comes to the results from the test races. It would be nice to see the field of cars finishing tightly together and also to see some good battles amongst the different manufacturers.
Hopefully at the end of the test races, Rolo will be able to look at the results, lap times and replay data. He can then ascertain whether or not a particular car is struggling, or is clearly too fast and then he can adjust the specifications accordingly prior to the season starting.
We need a nice mix of tracks, it doesn't have to be the actual calendar, instead I'd rather we saw popular tracks being raced that most people are familiar with. That will ensure that the drivers that haven't got time to practice much will still be able to show a fair representation of their pace.
#Jesus christ Ian.......shut up man.
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essay time?Wow, I've had a good idea? That's it for this year then, I'm all out of good ideas now.
The additional bonus points are a great little incentive, it will encourage people to turn up, especially as the points are not able to be used in drop scores (please make them exempt) and anyone that doesn't bother to show to the testing will lose out. So bonus points are available for those that are committed to helping Rolo and the BTCC. That's far better than any Jack Spears trophy.
As I said earlier, I don't care whether or not I can drive the Nissan fast because that isn't my car of choice, what I would like to know is whether or not Skeng can drive it fast and whether I can keep up with him.
Let's be honest here, some drivers are amazingly fast, some are okay and a few struggle a bit. Without naming names, we all have a rough idea where we fit within the championship in terms of ability and therefore we're looking for the usual pattern when it comes to the results from the test races. It would be nice to see the field of cars finishing tightly together and also to see some good battles amongst the different manufacturers.
Hopefully at the end of the test races, Rolo will be able to look at the results, lap times and replay data. He can then ascertain whether or not a particular car is struggling, or is clearly too fast and then he can adjust the specifications accordingly prior to the season starting.
We need a nice mix of tracks, it doesn't have to be the actual calendar, instead I'd rather we saw popular tracks being raced that most people are familiar with. That will ensure that the drivers that haven't got time to practice much will still be able to show a fair representation of their pace.
#Jesus christ Ian.......shut up man.
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Wow, I've had a good idea? That's it for this year then, I'm all out of good ideas now.
The additional bonus points are a great little incentive, it will encourage people to turn up, especially as the points are not able to be used in drop scores (please make them exempt) and anyone that doesn't bother to show to the testing will lose out. So bonus points are available for those that are committed to helping Rolo and the BTCC. That's far better than any Jack Spears trophy.
As I said earlier, I don't care whether or not I can drive the Nissan fast because that isn't my car of choice, what I would like to know is whether or not Skeng can drive it fast and whether I can keep up with him.
Let's be honest here, some drivers are amazingly fast, some are okay and a few struggle a bit. Without naming names, we all have a rough idea where we fit within the championship in terms of ability and therefore we're looking for the usual pattern when it comes to the results from the test races. It would be nice to see the field of cars finishing tightly together and also to see some good battles amongst the different manufacturers.
Hopefully at the end of the test races, Rolo will be able to look at the results, lap times and replay data. He can then ascertain whether or not a particular car is struggling, or is clearly too fast and then he can adjust the specifications accordingly prior to the season starting.
We need a nice mix of tracks, it doesn't have to be the actual calendar, instead I'd rather we saw popular tracks being raced that most people are familiar with. That will ensure that the drivers that haven't got time to practice much will still be able to show a fair representation of their pace.
#Jesus christ Ian.......shut up man.
Haha, input very welcome. You can see how elaborate I make things if left to my own devices!!
Yes, I think that's reward enough. A loyalty bonus, if you will. No, they won't be dropped, they'll be recorded and marked before any of the races begin, so they can't be touched. I'll only award them if you finish the race, to avoid people only doing a lap and still getting a point.
It will be easy to spot the cars that are slower on the straights, or are worse on tyres. The only real complicating factor is setups, but I guess if it's quick with one then things are alright. Unless it's too quick, then we may have to act.
Well, I can, but I wouldn't mind a bit of help from the stewards... 💡
Hmm, well to be honest I would prefer to run on calendar tracks this time, else wouldn't the data be a bit useless? I could use reserve tracks like Laguna Seca and Rome I guess. Still tempted by the Nordschleife for once though
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You do Nordschleife... Expect me to win
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K.I.S.S?!Haha, input very welcome. You can see how elaborate I make things if left to my own devices!!
Well, I can, but I wouldn't mind a bit of help from the stewards... 💡
Hmm, well to be honest I would prefer to run on calendar tracks this time, else wouldn't the data be a bit useless? I could use reserve tracks like Laguna Seca and Rome I guess. Still tempted by the Nordschleife for once though
I can help with the replays a bit. 👍
Running the actual calendar isn't a bad idea at all, I can see exactly where you're coming from. My point is that not everyone will be up to speed on those tracks and therefore they won't show their true potential. Using very familiar tracks or a mix would help those that need time to learn a track/car combo to be competitive. Maybe throw a couple in from this season as a benchmark.
Some guys will probably tune their cars a little before the pre-season testing and although I don't want to stop anyone doing so, perhaps we should ask people to use a basic tune on their cars, rather than going to town on it? Some cars will tune much better than others, so getting the car to a reasonable state of tune is probably useful.
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Which track of the Nordschleife? The DTM one, the Big one or the 24h one?You do Nordschleife... Expect me to win
Nordschleife is my favourite track so I will be so motivated!
I hope Scania and me get some good setups done.
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Which track of the Nordschleife? The DTM one, the Big one or the 24h one?
Nordschleife is my favourite track so I will be so motivated!
I hope Scania and me get some good setups done.
Well, I'm going to be spending the next couple of weeks focused on TOCA and getting the Team ready for that... And then I'll come over to BTCC and get us ready for the start of the Season 👍
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Maybe we should allow just the adjustment of the max speed on the transmission for the pre-season mini series.
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Or even have everyone use Sports Suspension: Hard so there is more of a level playing field!
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In big powerful cars (supercats) I can whack them round Nurburgring Nordshleife in prior 6mins its always been one of my favorite along with Sarthe and TokyoWhich track of the Nordschleife? The DTM one, the Big one or the 24h one?
Nordschleife is my favourite track so I will be so motivated!
I hope Scania and me get some good setups done.
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Precisely, I'll even admit the Pre-Q system this season was way too over-complicated. Next season's deal for that is a lot, lot simpler.
Yeah, because we'll be running there so it helps to know how they get on. Indeed, but hopefully everyone's got enough warning now to have a quick blast around the tracks. First test night is May 1st so a good 10 days. I've noticed a few have been doing runs at places like Tokyo already.
There won't be any more than 9 races. 3 per week for 3 weeks, to keep it fair for the extra points. 9th race will be Nurburgring Nordschleife (not 24hr), because to be honest it's always been something in the background and I'd like to get it done without it meaning too much.
My only other concern is to ensure that every car gets a fair run, else you could have a situation where a couple of cars are left undeveloped. Not sure exactly how to address this.
That's the aim and the hope. It won't guarantee success but it gives the best chance.
I'm swaying towards this view, it's a really tough call though. Some cars (like the Nissan for instance) gain huge chunks of time with a tune.
Yeah, because we'll be running there so it helps to know how they get on. Indeed, but hopefully everyone's got enough warning now to have a quick blast around the tracks. First test night is May 1st so a good 10 days. I've noticed a few have been doing runs at places like Tokyo already.
There won't be any more than 9 races. 3 per week for 3 weeks, to keep it fair for the extra points. 9th race will be Nurburgring Nordschleife (not 24hr), because to be honest it's always been something in the background and I'd like to get it done without it meaning too much.
My only other concern is to ensure that every car gets a fair run, else you could have a situation where a couple of cars are left undeveloped. Not sure exactly how to address this.
BTW, if this works, it could become the best testing prior to a season that we've had so far in the history of BTCC. Group testing is the way forward. 👍
Give me my bonus points.
That's the aim and the hope. It won't guarantee success but it gives the best chance.
I'm swaying towards this view, it's a really tough call though. Some cars (like the Nissan for instance) gain huge chunks of time with a tune.
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This is the problem. Banning tuning would probably distort the results too and this is exactly what we're trying to avoid. I think that tuning should be allowed, but let's be realistic and ask people not to go too overboard. Just make the car as quick as possible without spending the next 10 days furiously pounding around fettling the spring rate to within 0.01 of the perfect setting.
