Camouflaged Corvette C7

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Yes, i know about the old LT1, but even the old LT1 was not really a trim level/name. Was the engine. Plus, it has nothing to do with the post he just quoted.

It is like, hey, what Skyline you have? I do have a RB26DETT.

Edit: shoot, clicked in the wrong button. Lol

 

[analog]

It is like, hey, what Skyline you have? I do have a RB26DETT.

Except for the fact there never was a Skyline sold as Skyline RB26DETT but there was a Corvette LT1, even when it was only the engine which was different that doesn't mean the name wasn't used to describe a specific model with that engine and not just an engine.
There also for example was a Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 which name also referred to its engine (not the name of that engine though), that doesn't mean it isn't a completely different car than a regular 300SEL.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Except for the fact there never was a Skyline sold as Skyline RB26DETT but there was a Corvette LT1, even when it was only the engine which was different that doesn't mean the name wasn't used to describe a specific model and not just an engine.
There also for example was a Mercedes 300SEL 6.3 which name also referred to its engine (not the name of that engine though), that doesn't mean it isn't a completely different car than a regular 300SEL.

Once again, it has nothing to do with the post he just quoted. He tried to be a smart guy without a reason. This new C7 will not be called LT1.

Edit: And then again, LT1 was not the actual name of the car. But how it got known by people. The name is Corvette Stingray. Not LT1.

 

[analog]

Once again, it has nothing to do with the post he just quoted. He tried to be a smart guy without a reason. This new C7 will not be called LT1.

It has everything to do with the post he quoted, you just ridiculed the notion of a new Corvette being called LT1 when it was once a specific version you could buy, making LT1 falling in the same historic category as names like Z06 and ZR1.
I'll doubt they call one model that but that wasn't the point, they could as it would make as much sense as calling it Z06 or ZR1.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

It has everything to do with the post he quoted, you just ridiculed the notion of a new Corvette being called LT1 when it was once a specific version you could buy, making LT1 falling in the same historic category as names like Z06 and ZR1.
I'll doubt they call one model that but that wasn't the point, they could as it would make as much sense as calling it Z06 or ZR1.

No no, The old Corvettes who had the LT1 engine were actually called Corvette Stingray and Corvette ZR1. See? That is where people mix things up. There were never a Corvette really called Corvette LT1. People say it because it had a LT1 engine, but it is not it's real name.

Edit:

The LT-1 was the ultimate 350 cu in V8, becoming available in 1970. It used solid lifters, 11:1 compression, the '178' high-performance camshaft, and a 780 CFM Holley four-barrel carburetor on a special aluminum intake, with rams' horn exhaust manifolds in the Chevrolet Corvette, Delco transistor ignition and a low-restriction exhaust factory rated at 370 bhp in early Corvette sales literature, but actually only sold as 360 bhp version at 6000 rpm and 380 lb-ft at 4000 (the NHRA rated it at 425 hp for classification purposes). Redline was 6500 rpm but power fell off significantly past 6200 rpm. The LT-1 was available in the Corvette, Corvette ZR-1, and Camaro Z28.

The "LT1" designation was later reused on a Generation II GM EFI 350" engine in late 1991, the LT1.

In 1992, GM created a new-generation small-block engine called the LT1, not to be confused with the high-output Generation I LT-1 of the 1970s. It displaced 5.7 L (350 cu in) and was a 2-valve pushrod design. The LT1 used a reverse-flow cooling system which cooled the cylinder heads first, maintaining lower cylinder temperatures and allowing the engine to run at a higher compression than its immediate predecessors.
This engine was used in:
1992–1996 Chevrolet Corvette C4

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[Griffith500]

Once again, it has nothing to do with the post he just quoted. He tried to be a smart guy without a reason. This new C7 will not be called LT1.

Edit: And then again, LT1 was not the actual name of the car. But how it got known by people. The name is Corvette Stingray. Not LT1.

Absolutely false, try not to act too quickly on your prejudices next time. The swathe of engine, trim and option codes that Chevy have used over the years, some purely cosmetic (with the actual, engineering codes being something different) does make it confusing, especially for someone who, like me, or the guy you replied to initially, doesn't know the whole story.

When I saw that the C7 was powered by an LT1, it confused me because I'd thought up to then that LT was exclusively meant to describe Chevy's second-gen small block V8 - I wasn't aware of the original LT-1 spec car until I looked it up as a result of that confusion.

Besides, you took the snooty smart-ass stance first, I was merely trying to show that the guy you were replying to wasn't the only one to be confused at first.

 

[analog]

No no, The old Corvettes who had the LT1 engine were actually called Corvette Stingray and Corvette ZR1. See? That is where people mix things up. There were never a Corvette really called Corvette LT1. People say it because it had a LT1 engine, but it is not it's real name.

The entire C3 range were called Stingray, the high-performance LT1 model (with a different engine) was sold briefly but if you don't believe me, please read the name put on the bonnet of these limited edition cars.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

It has a sticker... WOW, IT IS CALLED LT-1! Not.

Edit: Civic Si has a i-vtec sticker on it's door, so it is called Honda Civic i-vtec?

Absolutely false, try not to act too quickly on your prejudices next time. The swathe of engine, trim and option codes that Chevy have used over the years, some purely cosmetic (with the actual, engineering codes being something different) does make it confusing, especially for someone who, like me, or the guy you replied to initially, doesn't know the whole story.

When I saw that the C7 was powered by an LT1, it confused me because I'd thought up to then that LT was exclusively meant to describe Chevy's second-gen small block V8 - I wasn't aware of the original LT-1 spec car until I looked it up as a result of that confusion.

Besides, you took the snooty smart-ass stance first, I was merely trying to show that the guy you were replying to wasn't the only one to be confused at first.

Ok, fair enough, excuse me.

 

[analog]

It has a sticker... WOW, IT IS CALLED LT-1! Not.

It has a sticker... WOW, IT IS CALLED Carrera! Not.

 

[another_jakhole]

It has a sticker... WOW, IT IS CALLED LT-1! Not.

Edit: Civic Si has a i-vtec sticker on it's door, so it is called Honda Civic i-vtec?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UX7M6asX-...hzJoB4NSxQ/s640/New-Civic-Si-2007-Adesivo.jpg


Ok, fair enough, excuse me.

...eek. smh

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

analog, you make me laugh man, for real...

Edit: Yes, that Carrera has a sticker, ALSO a badge on the back, it is also written in the car's document. And Carrera is a trim level of the 911, not it's engine name that is shared with other cars, like Boxster or Cayman. LT-1 was in Corvettes, Camaros and even Buick! It is NOT a trim level name, the car does NOT have a LT-1 name, even though it is known for that engine name, it never really had it.

Not a hard concept to understand.

Edit 2:

Yes, check out my Honda CR-X DOHC VTEC Programmed Fuel Injection!

Edit 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_(C3)

Here, it is all there, if anyone find a place where they say the LT-1 is a trim, not an engine, gets a free cookie.

 

[analog]

analog, you make me laugh man, for real...

Edit: Yes, that Carrera has a sticker, ALSO a badge on the back, it is also written in the car's document. And Carrera is a trim level of the 911, not it's engine name that is shared with other cars, like Boxster or Cayman. LT-1 was in Corvettes, Camaros and even Buick! It is NOT a trim level name, the car does NOT have a LT-1 name, even though it is known for that engine name, it never really had it.

Not a hard concept to understand.

I fully understand the concept, the C3 Stingray was briefly offered with an LT-1 engine option (a limited run) where the only cosmetic difference was in fact a domed hood with LT-1 decals, it was therefor sold and thus come to known as the Corvette LT-1, officially and unofficially.
You previously stated that the LT-1 engined one was the Stingray version even though all C3's are officially and unofficially known as C3 Stingray so I'm not trusting your knowledge automatically if you don't mind.
I can't help Chevrolet only put stickers on the hood instead of a badge but that's just cosmetics, but do you think a separate modelname actually needs an additional badge to make it bona fide?

 

[Griffith500]

analog, you make me laugh man, for real...

Edit: Yes, that Carrera has a sticker, ALSO a badge on the back, it is also written in the car's document. And Carrera is a trim level of the 911, not it's engine name that is shared with other cars, like Boxster or Cayman. LT-1 was in Corvettes, Camaros and even Buick! It is NOT a trim level name, the car does NOT have a LT-1 name, even though it is known for that engine name, it never really had it.

Not a hard concept to understand.

Edit 2:http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1464/charlesef9iiiiiiiii.jpg

Yes, check out my Honda CR-X DOHC VTEC Programmed Fuel Injection!

But the Corvette LT-1 is how it's known, is it not? How else do you distinguish between it, the LT-1 powered ZR-1, and the non LT-1 'Vettes?

That's just what I was talking about regarding these obscure, enthusiast terms just "sticking". Whether or not the original car was ever called LT-1 by Chevy, that's what everyone calls them now. It's confusing.

 

[analog]

Okay, from the oft quoted Wiki pages (which apparantly is the source for true info..)

The third generation Corvette, patterned after the Mako Shark II concept car, was introduced for the 1968 model year and was in production until 1982. C3 coupes featured the first use of T-top removable roof panels. It introduced monikers that were later revived, such as LT-1, ZR-1

Basically what this says is that all specially named versions were just monikers, additional names given to option packages (which was how they did things then, instead of offering separately named models, they offered differently named option packs) which means that if LT-1 isn't an official name, ZR-1 isn't as well.
Which also mean this ultrarare ZL-1 is apparantly nothing more than an expensive option pack.
It's just semantics I guess, or being pedantic but I think the current ZR-1 being currently badged and sold as a ZR-1 and not merely an option for a regular C6 (like it was for the C3) makes it possible historically (logically is another matter...) to badge a current Corvette as LT-1 (or Z06, ZL-1 or ZL-2) as well.

 

[RACECAR]

Hmm, so the original ZR-1 was just a Package as opposed to the current completely seperate, top-of-the-line performance version. Interesting to know and given that the car we keep seeing has a Spoiler (again, not a base model option as far as I know), maybe we're looking at one? But then that sort've conflicts with my still developing theory that the C7 might be a sort of Stingray revival.

 

[analog]

Hmm, so the original ZR-1 was just a Package as opposed to the current completely seperate, top-of-the-line performance version.

Again from Wiki (otherwise it cannot be trusted )

The ZR-1 special package was an option available on the 1970 through 1972 model years, and included the LT-1 engine combined with special racing equipment. Only 53 ZR-1's were built.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Yes it is. ZR1 is a trim level, of Corvette C6! Same way that Corvette ZR1 was a trim level, or package of the Corvette C3. Those are trim names, not engine names, even because you could buy a Camaro with LT-1, and yet you don't call it Camaro LT-1.

Same happens to Corvette, LT-1 is it's engine name, even though the old ones were known as Corvette LT-1, and they had a sticker on them, the real name never was Corvette LT-1, it is merelly an optional of the car, to be specific about which model. Basically like Corvette LS2 and LS3. Both were in Corvette C6, same trim level.

Say that a Corvette C3 is called LT-1 is basically the same as say a Ford Ka is a Duratec. Or a Fiat Punto 1.8 is an E.TorQ. Or, a new ZR1 is a LS9. Those are engine names, some have special features (as stickers identifying it), some doesn't.

Edit: Stop saying that about wikipedia. Everyone here used it for some research sometime. If you will doubt about information like that, doubt about anything written by men.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

There was also C4 Corvette ZR1 with LT5 V8 engine, the coolest of them all I want it in premium now...

 

[analog]

Edit: Stop saying that about wikipedia. Everyone here used it for some research sometime. If you will doubt about information like that, doubt about anything written by men.

Disregarding your other info for now (aside from the fact the current ZR1 is sold as a separate model alongside the regular C6 and is more than simply a trim level, or the rather nonsensical comparisons made) but I can say whatever I want on the subject of Wikipedia (within forum rules obviously) and I am not dismissing it but neither am I convinced it always contains the best or most truthful information on anything (that is just my point of view).
And yes, I mostly always doubt anything written by man at first (even my own writings as I could be wrong and willing to admit it if that is the case), I am just sceptical by nature.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Disregarding your other info for now (aside from the fact the current ZR1 is sold as a separate model alongside the regular C6 and is more than simply a trim level, or the rather nonsensical comparisons made) but I can say whatever I want on the subject of Wikipedia (within forum rules obviously) and I am not dismissing it but neither am I convinced it always contains the best or most truthful information on anything (that is just my point of view).
And yes, I mostly always doubt anything written by man at first (even my own writings as I could be wrong and willing to admit it if that is the case), I am just sceptical by nature.

Different model? Lol. Go to Chevrolet.com and then click, cars, then click Corvette. There you go. When you click Cars, it does not show Corvette, Corvette Z06 or Corvette ZR1, it shows as Corvette. Only.

Edit: Once again, this LT1 discussion is totally pointless, the guy who first said, meant Camaro ZL1, not even Corvette, and he was on about new cars. Not this old bs name bullpoo. I am sorry, it was not called LT-1. Old times, different things.

In past cars did not even had proper names. It was Ford, or Chevrolet. So, move on...

 

[analog]

Different model? Lol. Go to Chevrolet.com and then click, cars, then click Corvette. There you go. When you click Cars, it does not show Corvette, Corvette Z06 or Corvette ZR1, it shows as Corvette. Only.

I did not say it was a completely different model, I simply said it was sold as a separate model, it is currently badged as a ZR-1 is it not?
You simply cannot seem to fathom an engine name can be used simultaneously to describe the car it is fitted with too (that does occur, very rarely but still), coming up with ridiculous examples to ridicule the entire notion where that would not make sense nor being logical (like a common Duratec Ford) does not help your argument.

Edit: Once again, this LT1 discussion is totally pointless, the guy who first said, meant Camaro ZL1, not even Corvette, and he was on about new cars. Not this old bs name bullpoo. I am sorry, it was not called LT-1. Old times, different things.

In past cars did not even had proper names. It was Ford, or Chevrolet. So, move on...

How this argument started is not relevant, I am arguing your previous posts right now.
And you trying to put the whole name/badge discussion in a relative context now with saying in the past cars did not even had proper names not only makes me wonder why you even tried to defend the Corvette nomenclature in the way you did but also shows a lack of knowledge as each Ford or Chevrolet ever build had a modelname as well.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Why is it ridiculous? The car actually has a LT-1 name? No. It is only it's engine, which was again, on a Camaro. If it could, if this, if that, doesn't matter. Fact is, it is not officially called LT-1. Now, get over it.

 

[JK83]

Why is it ridiculous? The car actually has a LT-1 name? No. It is only it's engine, which was again, on a Camaro. If it could, if this, if that, doesn't matter. Fact is, it is not officially called LT-1. Now, get over it.

No there isn't anything ridigulous.....
Just happy bday for me

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Name this car then.

Edit: Remember, Sedan is aparently the name of maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany 1930-1940 vehicles. Even a Beetle is actually called Sedan. So, no, i won't accept that as a name.

 

[analog]

Why is it ridiculous? The car actually has a LT-1 name? No. It is only it's engine, which was again, on a Camaro. If it could, if this, if that, doesn't matter. Fact is, it is not officially called LT-1. Now, get over it.

So your argument that the C3 ZR-1 indeed was named ZR-1 (in one of your previous posts) unlike the C3 LT-1 still stands? Even though it also being an engine/equipment option making that it is not officially called a ZR-1 according to your logic?

Are we playing guess that car now? Not up for it right now but a 100% certain that car has a specific modelname which I could find out (pretty good at these games actually) if I chose to, which I will not.
Actually, is that a 1934 Ford V8?

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

So your argument that the C3 ZR-1 indeed was named ZR-1 (in one of your previous posts) unlike the C3 LT-1 still stands? Even though it also being an engine/equipment option making that it is not officially called a ZR-1 according to your logic?

Yes, because ZR-1 is not an engine name, and it was only available in Corvette! Is it that hard to understand? My god...

ZR1 is a trim name, like Carrera. Like V-spec II, not an engine name like 4A-EG or RB26DETT.

Edit: Go on, find the correct model name of that car, i will give you a hint, 1934 Ford. Now go on Mr. "Every car has a model name".

 

[analog]

So an engine name can never be used as an additional name for a car model as well?
Why?

And yes, that Ford actually is named simply V8 (the V8 series had a whole range of bodywork options), and yes that refers to the engine.

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

It can, but is not a Corvette case. That is what i am saying, over and over.

Edit: Nope, not called V8. It is just called Ford. Sedan because it is a 4-door, V8 because it is V8, and 1934 because it's year. It does not have a name like Thunderbird, or Mustang. Or even model T. Ford V8 is a popular name, same as sedan...

 

[analog]

It can, but is not a Corvette case. That is what i am saying, over and over.

Edit: Nope, not called V8. It is just called Ford. Sedan because it is a 4-door, V8 because it is V8, and 1934 because it's year. It does not have a name like Thunderbird, or Mustang. Or even model T. Ford V8 is a popular name, same as sedan...

No, it is called the V8 (the V8-series), plain and simple, man do your research before claiming things which are blatantly wrong and easy to disprove.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

wow, this thread has quite significantly derailed...