Cappuccino Cup Racing Series :: SEASON 2 PODIUM: Wardez, WiiFreak, dsgerbc/dmanaenk!!

[BrandonW77]

The custom track is going to be replaced with an oval, probably one of the ovals we did the other night. I really liked Toxic, Owens and your tracks and I made a few myself on the Eifel kart map today that I'm quite pleased with. I'll get one posted so everyone can check it out. The nice thing about doing an oval as the custom track is that it won't take long for people to learn it.

And +1 to what Mudd said. 👍


In case you didn't catch it, here's the highlight video from this week. It doesn't want to embed for some reason so use the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1hM9wbYo-s

 

[CAMikaze]

The custom track is going to be replaced with an oval, probably one of the ovals we did the other night. I really liked Toxic, Owens and your tracks and I made a few myself on the Eifel kart map today that I'm quite pleased with. I'll get one posted so everyone can check it out. The nice thing about doing an oval as the custom track is that it won't take long for people to learn it.

And +1 to what Mudd said. 👍


In case you didn't catch it, here's the highlight video from this week.

Fixed.

I got a anime convention to go to at the end of this week, so Tuesday night will be the only time I'll be racing in the series this round.

 

[BrandonW77]

i got a anime convention to go to at the end of this week, so tuesday night will be the only time i'll be racing in the series this round.

10-4

 

[Mudd]

Fixed.

I got a anime convention to go to at the end of this week, so Tuesday night will be the only time I'll be racing in the series this round.

That's fine, but who's gonna fill in for color commentary?

 

[CAMikaze]

I got a anime convention to go to at the end of this week, so Tuesday night will be the only time I'll be racing in the series this round.

That's fine, but who's gonna fill in for color commentary?

 

[BrandonW77]

On Friday Aug. 5 and Saturday Aug. 6 I will be at Mid-Ohio to see the ALMS and IndyCars race which will prevent me from hosting the races on those days but I have a couple ideas to work around it that I wanted to run by everybody.

First idea is to run the races at their normally scheduled times and have one of the stewards host the races for me. Lancer and Owens could both host, they've hosted races before and know the Capp procedures so it should go smoothly. If it fits peoples schedules we could also move Friday's race to Thursday (same time) and I would be able to host it then.

Second idea is for everyone to take the whole week off as a "summer break" and then we resume with Round 4 on Tuesday Aug. 9. We could do fun races on our normally scheduled days but they wouldn't go towards points.

A third idea is to do my "all-star races" during this week at our normally scheduled times. My idea for the all-star race is to try out a format that I'd like to run for the next season, it's a bit of a departure from what we do now but I think it would add a ton of fun and excitement for all drivers (if it works as I picture it).
The All-Star Plan: 2 back-to-back 8 or 10 lap races at Monza on Racing Hard tires, the second race starts in reverse finishing order of the first race. Each race would pay full points and the overall podium finishers of each night get prize cars. The points would not go toward the Season 2 Championship, they would simply be used to determine the winners for each night. I would prefer to move the Friday race to Thursday night at the same time if possible so I can host/participate and then have a steward host the Saturday race. If that doesn't fit peoples schedules then we can run them on Friday and Saturday as normally scheduled and I'll need a steward(s) to host both of them.

Thoughts/opinions?

 

[LancerEvo7]

To the All-Star Plan:

YES! I love the idea.

 

[OwensRacing]

All Star Week!!! Race every night for one week!!!

 

[Mudd]

All star sounds fun, and since the points won't count for championship, run the races Thurs and Friday. I'm sure there would be good attendance, we've got alot of Capp addicts in here.

 

[paulmac2k9]

id like to have a go i enjoy racing in 111R RM series so ill give this a crack
Name: #77 paulmac2k9 (paulmac2k9) Persian Blue/Phoenixgelb Metallic
Tuesday: no
Friday: no
Saturday: yes
Primary Points Night: Saturday

am i still allowed #77 or is saturday when you race ? i was hoping to go for a BTCC Andrew Jordan livery....
http://www.btcccrazy.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Jordan-Brands-1.jpg
but if not ill do a different colour or number scheme

 

[BrandonW77]

id like to have a go i enjoy racing in 111R RM series so ill give this a crack
Name: #77 paulmac2k9 (paulmac2k9) Persian Blue/Phoenixgelb Metallic
Tuesday: no
Friday: no
Saturday: yes
Primary Points Night: Saturday

Got you registered, look forward to racing with you! 👍

All-Star races every night of the week? That's an awful lot of prize cars to send out! lol I'd be fine with running Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday if attendance will support 4 races. I'll be counting on some help with sending out prize cars (Owens/Lancer?) so we could probably manage 4 nights ok, providing somebody is willing to host the Friday and Saturday events.

 

[OwensRacing]

I gotcha covered on gifts!!!! I have tickets from 21-24 as well to gift.

 

[Mudd]

If we're going all star, do we get to install some penalty ballast in our crazy fast tied-for-first cars?

 

[OwensRacing]

Mudd. I'd like to see a success ballast implemented for season three. These light wt cars we can add wt a few times.

 

[BrandonW77]

Mudd. I'd like to see a success ballast implemented for season three. These light wt cars we can add wt a few times.

I've thought about it. It seems the same 3 or 4 guys are always going to be up front in this league and that can be discouraging to some of the slower drivers. I'm opposed to it for a couple reasons, firstly I have a hard time penalizing somebody for winning even though I know some real-world series do it (but they are few). Secondly, it adds a bit of complication and time to the proceedings and that's something I've tried to stay away from because I want this to be more of a "hop in your car and race" series. Granted, I've never participated in a race/series where penalty ballast was used so maybe it's not as complicated as I think it would be, but I know I already have my hands full managing 3 nights of racing/points as it is and I'm afraid implementing this would over-load me.

That's kind of the point of doing 2 races where the second race is reverse order of the first races results. It gives the slower drivers a chance to battle up front and forces the faster guys to "earn" their way through the field and successfully get past the slower drivers. I have no doubt that the faster drivers would likely find their way to the front in the second race but at least they have to earn it and there's a chance that they might not get all the way to the front or could get caught up in an incident.

Has anybody here run in a series that uses penalty ballast? If I were to do it I'd want it to be as simple as possible, something like ballast is added once and remains in place the rest of the season. No adding ballast on top of ballast or removing ballast if you finish in a lower position. And I'd prefer to only use the ballast if a driver wins 2 or more times, not for every victory because there's a chance a mid-pack driver gets lucky and scores a victory and then would never be able to win again because of the ballast. So I'd only use it for repeated "offenses" of winning a race.

 

[OwensRacing]

Oh ballast comes off if you don't podium. Not a full reset but it drops off.

So basically if you a guy wins two and ballast so much he can't win tue next. He gets to remove wt. If again he don't podium back to stock wt.

So basically you have

1. + 30

2. + 20

3. + 10


4th on down -15 if you have ballast on from a podium.

So basically you are not stuck with the Ballast if pushes the drivers finish back past 3rd.

 

[dsgerbc]

Ballast logistics defeats the purpose of this being a fairly laid-back series with no dedicated qualifying and such. Might be manageable with one race per week, but with 3 different races with mixed attendance I don't see an easy and fair way of implementing ballast.

I could possibly see something very simple: if you're in the top X of standings after each Saturday - you get 50 lbs ballast.

Grid penalty (or a reverse order per current standings as an extreme version of this) should be more manageable, but won't negate a large difference in speed between top guys and the rest.

One can add some fixed amounts of time penalty to race totals, but then again, it would only make points tighter, but won't produce tighter racing.

 

[BrandonW77]

Oh ballast comes off if you don't podium. Not a full reset but it drops off.

So basically if you a guy wins two and ballast so much he can't win tue next. He gets to remove wt. If again he don't podium back to stock wt.

So basically you have

1. + 30

2. + 20

3. + 10


4th on down -15 if you have ballast on from a podium.

So basically you are not stuck with the Ballast if pushes the drivers finish back past 3rd.

But see, doesn't that defeat the purpose? If you take the ballast away then the fast driver will be right back to the front and we have to do the whole song & dance all over again. I know other series do it that way but it wouldn't work here because the same guys are always at the front/middle/back. For me, the point of using ballast is to bring the fast drivers back to the rest of the pack so we can have closer races. The fast drivers are always going to be fast, at every track, so once they get ballast they should keep it the rest of the season even if (for whatever reason) they have a lower place finish on 1 night.

Ballast logistics defeats the purpose of this being a fairly laid-back series with no dedicated qualifying and such. Might be manageable with one race per week, but with 3 different races with mixed attendance I don't see an easy and fair way of implementing ballast.

I could possibly see something very simple: if you're in the top X of standings after each Saturday - you get 50 lbs ballast.

Grid penalty (or a reverse order per current standings as an extreme version of this) should be more manageable, but won't negate a large difference in speed between top guys and the rest.

One can add some fixed amounts of time penalty to race totals, but then again, it would only make points tighter, but won't produce tighter racing.

Yep, those are some of the things that concern me, it quickly gets complicated and hard to manage, especially with 3 races a week and varying drivers. I don't want to do anything that requires a manual grid line-up so grid penalties are out. The closest thing is your first suggestion of adding X kg's of ballast to the highest finishers after each week's points have been tallied. It would add some complication to organizing the qualifying groups each night but nothing too bad.


As for any ballast during the "all-star" races, these would be totally self-contained events that would start and finish in one night so the ballast wouldn't carry over from 1 night to the next. I also don't think it's quite fair to have the top finishers from the first race start at the back for the next race and also add weight to their car. It would have to be one or the other and I prefer the reverse grid based on the first race results.

 

[Menown]

If you start “punishing” the fast guys for being fast you might need to look at fixing how the number of people attending effects the points awarded.

Example, Cape Ring Race 3 last place got 14 points, whereas Race 1, you have to beat 6 other people to get 14 points.

And, Laguna Seca Race 3 last place got 10, whereas Race 2 you would have to beat 5 other guys to get that.

Personally I don't think either issue NEEDS to be fixed; I actually think things are fine as they are. After all, the only people who needs to record points are the top guys and that is unaffected by grid size, but if you add ballast, grid size might start becoming an issue.

my $0.02

 

[Mudd]

Really didn't mean to open that can 'O' worms.
I'm honestly not a fan of any penalties for being too fast, those guys put the time in and have earned it. My suggestion for the all star race using it was really half jokingly, although I would love a chance to leave some of my Capp's black paint on Brosif or Lancers doors during such an event.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Perhaps for an All-Star race we could do a 10-Lap qualifying race at Daytona, then go to Le Mans and reverse the grid. That plus the draft would make the race absolutely insane.

 

[BrandonW77]

Perhaps for an All-Star race we could do a 10-Lap qualifying race at Daytona, then go to Le Mans and reverse the grid. That plus the draft would make the race absolutely insane.

Daytona's a crap-shoot track because it's all draft + staying away from crashes, not a very accurate or fair way to do qualifying. We'd qualify like we normally do for the first race and do reverse results for the second race.

@Menown - you've let the cat out of the bag!! Saturday is my way to get good points since attendance is lower. I'm well aware of the un-balanced nature of doing points like this since some races have higher participation than others but my hope was this would encourage participation on more days. Right now it rewards people for attending more races during the week and that's what I want, I don't want to penalize somebody for winning, even if they only race once per week. I really think (hope) that the points will balance themselves out over a 6 week/18 race period and hopefully make things very interesting when we get to the final week. I'm already working on a thorough tie-breaker system since it seems we could very likely have a 3-way tie for first place going into the finals.

At the very least, rest assured that I'm carefully monitoring the points situation to see how things will balance out and will react accordingly if I see any issues arising.

 

[Menown]

Saturday is my way to get good points since attendance is lower. I'm well aware of the un-balanced nature of doing points like this since some races have higher participation than others but my hope was this would encourage participation on more days.

It has worked!!

I'm trying to get in on Tuesdays now too, my little girl goes to sleep between 8 and 8:30, so if I skip qualification I might just be able to make it in time for the odd race.

I have been looking over the replay from Friday to help myself improve and I've been taking pictures, is it okay to just upload to the social club or do you want to look them over first?

 

[BrandonW77]

It has worked!!

I'm trying to get in on Tuesdays now too, my little girl goes to sleep between 8 and 8:30, so if I skip qualification I might just be able to make it in time for the odd race.

I have been looking over the replay from Friday to help myself improve and I've been taking pictures, is it okay to just upload to the social club or do you want to look them over first?

On Tuesday the race usually starts around 8:30 so you're welcome to slid in at the back if you can't make qualifying.

You can either upload your photos to the social group or the Official Capp Cup Photo Thread. I don't need to review them first, everybody's welcome to upload any photos they want. 👍

 

[ENFORCER 98]

oh singed up somewhere else oh well.....

#98 ENFORCER 98 (ENFORCER_98) Passionate Pink / Metallic Silver
tuesday : no
friday : no
saturday : yes
primary points - saturday

 

[LancerEvo7]

Daytona's a crap-shoot track because it's all draft + staying away from crashes...

That's the point. It'll create a random starting order for the main race. And if we're on RH tires, wrecks shouldn't happen often.

 

[paulmac2k9]

i prefer the idea of Sport Softs for this car since it is a bit easy on Slicks makes it much more of a challenge

 

[BrandonW77]

That's the point. It'll create a random starting order for the main race. And if we're on RH tires, wrecks shouldn't happen often.

People get angry when the starting order is random. You won't like them when they're angry!! lol

That's been my experience anyway, I kinda like the idea but I try to keep the masses happy even if it goes against my personal opinion.

 

[BrandonW77]

i prefer the idea of Sport Softs for this car since it is a bit easy on Slicks makes it much more of a challenge

For some of the newer drivers the Sport Softs make it a little bit of a handful and it can be discouraging. This car is much harder to tame than most people expect. Racing Hards don't make it overly grippy, just make it a little easier to keep it from spinning. This season we are running on Sport Softs but I'd like to run Race Hards next season, if I can get the majority to agree that they don't "ruin" the Capp's. I think they improve the car, but some people are against any kind of racing tires under any circumstances, even if they haven't driven said car on said racing tires.

I think a lot of people join because they think the Capp's will be fun and easy and are frustrated when they find out the car can be quite a handful and will bite you if it gets the chance. By switching to Racing Hards it will minimize that just a little bit but still reward the smooth and consistent driver. The races wouldn't necessarily be any closer, but the guys at the back would have an easier time keeping the car on the track and would hopefully enjoy themselves more.

 

[paulmac2k9]

yeah i think its still fun on slicks plenty of sliding still ect ect it will allways be fun due to its super responsive nature so i have no problem with changing to racing hards (im probaly not one of the fastest anyway lol but i do enjoy a challenge )
also whats a good time round Grand Valley East?