Car List Criticism - Unwanted Premiums
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
Whatever personal tagline people want to append to GT5 (or future games), Kaz has stated the goal is an "automotive encyclopedia". And there's that whole "The Real Driving Simulator" thing... because let's face it, the game's not very good at simulating actual racing. My personal opinion is that all cars deserve Premium status. Are there some better suited to getting it before others? The better question is: are they better for my particular tastes? And the great thing about that is everyone's tastes are different. My personal "priority list" if I were choosing which cars got Premium treatments first would probably be different from PD's, sure... and it'd be different from largely anybody else's list, too.
And, as Famine has pointed out in numerous other threads like this; it's a huge assumption to think that one car not being made Premium could've opened up any of the others for the same procedure. It's possible, maybe even likely, but not a sure thing. We don't know what limitations were imposed on PD.
Whatever title this thread may have, it is still essentially another veiled wishlist. Of which we've had literally more than I can count, already.
And, as Famine has pointed out in numerous other threads like this; it's a huge assumption to think that one car not being made Premium could've opened up any of the others for the same procedure. It's possible, maybe even likely, but not a sure thing. We don't know what limitations were imposed on PD.
Whatever title this thread may have, it is still essentially another veiled wishlist. Of which we've had literally more than I can count, already.
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The fact I own a Cappuccino I am glad that it is a premium car although once again PD has not exactly re created the car perfectly no chance in hell does a Cappa take that long to rev out with 120bhp...my car with 48.7rwkw is faster 0-100. Also there is a difference between the two, different wheels, different colours, different motor and interior is slightly different (late model in the game has an air bag steering early model does not)
I am disappointed that there is no Premium JZ80 Supra or IS200/Altezza (which is another car I own) or even the iconic AE86!
I am disappointed that there is no Premium JZ80 Supra or IS200/Altezza (which is another car I own) or even the iconic AE86!
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- Chicago, iLL
- GTP_Nismo
I would only WANT to get rid of the F10 and F2007. You can't really do anything with those cars other than arcade and some online races. It seems they were put in the game just to please the F1 fans and make use of the F1 license.
What I wanted added to the game were cars from models years 2006 to 2011 to update all the cars that made GT what it is. Your everyday Audis, BMWs, Chevys, Fords, Hondas, Nissans, Holdens and Falcons.
There are a few other cars that I haven't bothered with but I'm sure someone else has. Plus getting rid of them wouldn't make other cars magically available so why remove them at all unless it meant the game could've released sooner.
What I wanted added to the game were cars from models years 2006 to 2011 to update all the cars that made GT what it is. Your everyday Audis, BMWs, Chevys, Fords, Hondas, Nissans, Holdens and Falcons.
There are a few other cars that I haven't bothered with but I'm sure someone else has. Plus getting rid of them wouldn't make other cars magically available so why remove them at all unless it meant the game could've released sooner.
In order to model any car PD needed to get a hold of it in their studio in Japan. Perhaps they modelled the cars that were easiest to get a hold of as premiums. Getting GT40s, Veyrons etc etc in Japan may not have been easy which could be why they weren't included. They'd have to colntact owners (likely abroad), get them to ship the cars over, potentially pay for transportation costs etc. Not really worth it on their part, hence the large number of "boring" Japanese cars.
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- xNEVER-ONEx
That would explain why certain cars are missing all together, but not why certain cars got the premium treatment over certain other cars. The Veyron is a fairly new car to GT (I think introduced in GTPSP during GT5'S development), and yet its not premium. They had the access likely, just didn't budget time to make it premium most likely.
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So what were they doing for 5 years? What could be more important in a racing game than modelling arguably one of the most iconic cars in history?
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- xNEVER-ONEx
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- Droptop2001gt
The Mustang is so iconic here in the US in all forms of racing and daily life that I find it amazing how little representation it has received in GT5, especially considering how many generations, different trim models, aftermarket tuner versions, and special editions there have been over the last 47 years.
Is there a single Mustang between the 1971 Mach I (a poor enough choice) and the 2000 Cobra R in the game?
The 2010 Shelby GT500 would have been fantastic. We know they have the licenses for Ford, SVT, and Shelby, so I have no idea how they missed on this one.
I would have been happy to get standard ports of the 96-98 Cobra and the 99-04 GT that were in GT2. The Saleen SR widebody from GT2 would have also made for a great race mod for the 96-98 Mustang, or standalone car.
Adding an updated 03-04 Mach I would have made having the 71 model a little more enjoyable.
The 03-04 Terminator Cobra is another glaring omission.
Any Saleen, Roush, Steeda, or Shelby versions would have been a thrill to drive. They couldn't have all been too hard to add, building on the 2000 Cobra R's base code. They certainly made enough other "similar" cars.
That is not the slightest bit true, despite its weight the veyron is quite a monster in corners, and on the brakes also. Everybody that has driven it has said basically the same thing. Not one person that has reviewed it has said anything bad about the way it handles. The whole "doesnt handle" perception has come from people playing forza/gt/shift and running the thing off every corner because they simply dont realise they are carrying nearly twice the entry speed they would with a 458 but using the same braking points they would with a much slower car.
I mean it didnt lap tgtt faster than the zonda f, mc12, enzo, lp670,458 and atom because its a "pos that doesnt handle". People have to remember it is NOT a track car, It is NOT a race car. It is a luxobarge for touring in. But it STILL managed to outperform many track specials on tracks
. It is an amazing piece of engineering and an extremely capable vehicle.
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That is not the slightest bit true, despite its weight the veyron is quite a monster in corners, and on the brakes also. Everybody that has driven it has said basically the same thing. Not one person that has reviewed it has said anything bad about the way it handles. The whole "doesnt handle" perception has come from people playing forza/gt/shift and running the thing off every corner because they simply dont realise they are carrying nearly twice the entry speed they would with a 458 but using the same braking points they would with a much slower car.
I mean it didnt lap tgtt faster than the zonda f, mc12, enzo, lp670,458 and atom because its a "pos that doesnt handle". People have to remember it is NOT a track car, It is NOT a race car. It is a luxobarge for touring in. But it STILL managed to outperform many track specials on tracks
Exactly, people don't realize that when they enter a corner in the Veyron, their entry speed is usually way higher than what they are used to. You have to brake early as your stopping distance increases too. Yes the Veyron doesn't turn like Zonda R, but it doesn't suck at it either.
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- GTP_Nismo
I forgot Kaz made GT5 all by himself.
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Sorry, finger slipped, ignore
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I won't disagree that the choices were weird and some were just bizarre, but:
- A true car nut would appreciate the range of obscure cars rather than PD copying the car list of Need For Speed.
- The older premiums are unbelievably good fun to drive when upgraded, though probably TOO slow otherwise. That's not to say slow cars can't be fun (like the Mazda Carol), but they're just below that threshold I'd say.
- They included a very good range of premiums instead of making them all cars that 'everyone' would want to drive (I still wouldn't touch a Veyron if it were premium), admittedly they do fall into at least one of 3 categories; Japanese, old or mid to late 2000's but on the whole they represent a good selection of cars.
The bit I don't get is why they needed two Swifts, two Cappuccinos and so on. I'm sure they took very little extra time, but still.
Edit: just realised my first and third points are the same, I'll just say that it's almost 4am and I'm only here because I can't sleep.
- A true car nut would appreciate the range of obscure cars rather than PD copying the car list of Need For Speed.
- The older premiums are unbelievably good fun to drive when upgraded, though probably TOO slow otherwise. That's not to say slow cars can't be fun (like the Mazda Carol), but they're just below that threshold I'd say.
- They included a very good range of premiums instead of making them all cars that 'everyone' would want to drive (I still wouldn't touch a Veyron if it were premium), admittedly they do fall into at least one of 3 categories; Japanese, old or mid to late 2000's but on the whole they represent a good selection of cars.
The bit I don't get is why they needed two Swifts, two Cappuccinos and so on. I'm sure they took very little extra time, but still.
Edit: just realised my first and third points are the same, I'll just say that it's almost 4am and I'm only here because I can't sleep.
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- GTP_Paradigm77
If they were going to include one classic premium VW, why wasnt it the original Beetle?????
Also, I think it's worse when you're in the UCD and you see loads of desirable cars and not enough credits...
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Haha, touche. If you've seen that episode of the Simpsons where homer gets so fat he works from home and puts the little bird in charge?
That's what comes to mind
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- GTP_ARP93
I'm not precisely liking the direction this thread is taking, especially given the comment of Slipztrem. I do not intend to make a wish list. All I want to do is bring into the spotlight some points where the car list can be improved so hopefully PD receives some constructive criticism.
I don't want this thread to mess up because I'd like to open others later to discuss the other points I said in my first post. Mods, my intention never was cluttering the forums with another wish list or fanboy war, I just want some productive discussion 👍.
At the moment I'm in my iPod, so I can't answer exactly those comments I want to precissely adress (Specially the one that says I'm not a true car fan because I don't appreciate all cars 👎). I still want to keep this far away from a wishlist and a troll war, so I'll try to do it better 👍.
I don't want this thread to mess up because I'd like to open others later to discuss the other points I said in my first post. Mods, my intention never was cluttering the forums with another wish list or fanboy war, I just want some productive discussion 👍.
At the moment I'm in my iPod, so I can't answer exactly those comments I want to precissely adress (Specially the one that says I'm not a true car fan because I don't appreciate all cars 👎). I still want to keep this far away from a wishlist and a troll war, so I'll try to do it better 👍.
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Wow, some people are selfish. Take the OP. He wants to get rid of the silly small cars in favour of more expensive and powerful cars. Fair enough, that's his opinion. I see many of you share it.
However, using this logic I could say:
"I hate the high-powered cars like the Lambos, the Ferraris, the McLarens and the Aston Martins. They should be gone and replaced with Renaults, Kias, Hyundais and Fiats."
I don't actually want this to happen, but my point is that the people who are saying the above but with lower-end cars, should really be careful with their words and be happy with what they have. I wanted around 5 premium and modern Renaults. It didn't happen, I didn't complain. In fact, there's 2 premium Renaults compared to 7-8 Ferraris.
Using this logic I could say:
"The VW Golf is so iconic here in Europe in racing and daily life that I find it amazing how little representation it has received in GT5, considering how many generations, trim models, and special editions there have been over the past 36 years.
Is there a single Golf between the 1974 Mk I and the 1997 Mk IV in the game?"
Just be happy with what you have... and by the way, some of the smaller cars can be very fun to drive... AZ-1 *cough*
However, using this logic I could say:
"I hate the high-powered cars like the Lambos, the Ferraris, the McLarens and the Aston Martins. They should be gone and replaced with Renaults, Kias, Hyundais and Fiats."
I don't actually want this to happen, but my point is that the people who are saying the above but with lower-end cars, should really be careful with their words and be happy with what they have. I wanted around 5 premium and modern Renaults. It didn't happen, I didn't complain. In fact, there's 2 premium Renaults compared to 7-8 Ferraris.
Using this logic I could say:
"The VW Golf is so iconic here in Europe in racing and daily life that I find it amazing how little representation it has received in GT5, considering how many generations, trim models, and special editions there have been over the past 36 years.
Is there a single Golf between the 1974 Mk I and the 1997 Mk IV in the game?"
Just be happy with what you have... and by the way, some of the smaller cars can be very fun to drive... AZ-1 *cough*
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I think at the end of the day PD should have asked them selves "what would most people want to drive" and those cars should have been the focus. I don't know about you, but I spend 99% of my time in a sports car of varying degree, everything from Evos to Enzos to Formula GTs. The only time I drive cars like the I-Miev and the VW WW2 cars is when I'm forced to, like the seasonal events. I drove them once, hated doing it, but did for the cash.
Everything in the game doesn't have to be fast, but fun. The karts do 85 mph drafting tops, but that doesn't mean they are not fun. But imo very few people would find doing 50 MPH in a WW2 army car in a video game very fun, and rather its boring, and detrimental to the experience. If PD wants to make this a car encyclopedia, power to them, but start with the cars people actually want to drive.
Everything in the game doesn't have to be fast, but fun. The karts do 85 mph drafting tops, but that doesn't mean they are not fun. But imo very few people would find doing 50 MPH in a WW2 army car in a video game very fun, and rather its boring, and detrimental to the experience. If PD wants to make this a car encyclopedia, power to them, but start with the cars people actually want to drive.
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VW has 5 premiums. 3 have less than 40 horsepower.
...Yeah. I think there's a problem there.
...Yeah. I think there's a problem there.
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