Car List Criticism - Unwanted Premiums

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I don't mind the Kubel and the Schwim but what I find odd is that some premium cars look nearly identical to each other. For example,

The two Suzuki Cappuccino's look exactly the same

The two Suzuki Swift's look identical except for turn indicators on ORVM on one of them.

I think twins like these could have been avoided.

YEEESSSSSS. OMG. I noticed this the other night when I went to buy a Cappuccino and was like - wtf are there two of these exact same cars premium for? I mean, it handles great, but even the engine specs are almost identical.

Since we didn't get Porsche, I'd love to see all the RUF cars get premium treatment, but there could be copyright issues showing the interior.
 
Yeah thanks PD i've always wanted a premium prius instead of a veyron. 2 old premium mx-5's instead of a Furai and a stunningly beautiful Daihatsu copen active top instead of a, I dunno, maybe a FGT or something.:ouch:
 
I actually like the i-Mev and Prius. They are important cars from a technological and historical perspective. I find it interesting to see how they drive. If just for one lap. Like the Prius having a CVT and its computer balancing the motor/engine to the battery charge. It's unique. Gives variety and contrast !

Ok...……:nervous::indiff::ill:
 
I actually like the i-Mev and Prius. They are important cars from a technological and historical perspective.
While that is true, but why not have the Chevy Volt or Honda Insight? Anyway just because they're important doesn't mean they don't suck, like a lot. I'm just saying that they should've taken a much lower priority. Not saying take them out or exclude them, just you know put some better/faster/less sucky cars instead.
 
Using this logic I could say:
"The VW Golf is so iconic here in Europe in racing and daily life that I find it amazing how little representation it has received in GT5, considering how many generations, trim models, and special editions there have been over the past 36 years.

Is there a single Golf between the 1974 Mk I and the 1997 Mk IV in the game?"
If the Golf is as popular in Europe as the Mustang is in the US, I would absolutely agree with you.
 
How do define desirable though?

Each and everyone person is different/.../

The thing that I loved most about GT was the fact that he contained everyday type cars.


Desirable in a video game? I assume we are talking within the context of a video game because GT5 is after all a video game. Well video games are all about doing what we cant do in real life. So what would be more desirable in the "true driving simulator" well for 99% of people it would be getting a chance to experience that car that they will never have enough money to be in the same room as let alone unleash on a track. Anybody can buy a cheap *insert old, cheap or crap car here* and take it to a track day. Not anybody can go out and buy a gtr35 or an enzo and push it to its limits. So my definition desirable in gt5 is infact either super iconic sports/exotic cars or supercars and hypercars.

Now if your talking desirable in the context of real life...Fuel economy, 5 star safety crash ratings, large luggage space, fold down seats, comfort. Then one really wonders why you are playing what is essentially a racing game. If you want to experience that prius in premium form. Go down to your local toyota dealer and buy one, or if you just want to use it for a lap to see what it feels like when all the systems come together, just take one for a test drive IRL. Leave those in game premium spaces for the enjoyment and exploration of cars that most people would never be able to breathe on and dont waste them with cars that as people have said are likely to use just once or twice.

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Basically, the Suzuki's. There are two identical Cappuccinos and two identical Swifts. From different years, but have identical appearance and specs. Pretty pointless. :rolleyes:
 
I'm just a little surprised, they had access to 2 WW2 German military vehicles but not the 2011 Mustang GT. Something to think about :P
 
the daihatsu ones. they are both the same car with a different year on them. why waist time on that when you could add a few super cars or even some good everyday cars.
i think this is it. http://www.tejamovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Daihatsu-1.jpg

Why waste time licensing, researching and designing another car from scratch when they can just duplicate one that's already been done?!

Lazy and rushed. That's what it is. They can't even keep the weekly seasonal event update promis. And they made it last week. PD make Kauro Ishikawa roll in his grave!

Back on topic: Most of the "new" premium cars are 07'~08'. Which means they were licensed for the initial release. I want them all replaced with the latest version. Specifically the ones that aren't anything special (e.g. Ford Focus).
 
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I have to agree with Car Bastard completely with this. Although some of you are saying "this isn't a racing game it's a driving simulator" it's the same bloody thing, the core and majority of the games content is based around racing so it IS a racing game (I personally wouldn't refer to a console game as a simulator, but anyway).

Therefore because the game is based around racing/motorsport it makes no sense what so ever to have a vast wealth of premium cars which are more or less domestic/eco/pointless and have no potential or reasonable application towards motorsport/racing/tuning (and dont you dare use KERS in F1 as a means of justifying the eco-cars! LOL).

Cars like the aforementioned 207, the Prius, the Kubbelwagen, the Copen... these are cars that history will forget (nobody remembered the Kubbelwagen anyway), 20 years time you will look back and you won't remember these cars and nor will you want to. I mean take the 207 range of models, it is from the same bloodline as the 205 which makes it the descendant filling the shoes, but the 205 range still is and will be remembered because it has a story that excited people, it was genuinely part of history.

The basic stock 205s handled very well and the gti's just took that a step further and became a very sought after car, then you had the biggest reason why people would rather remember this then the 207, the Group B era of rallying, a time where rally cars where effectively road going F1 cars (Henri Toivonen famously did a lap of Estoril at the test which would have been good enough to qualify 6th in the 1986 Portuguese GP) and was so popular that rally stages were so full of spectators that there was barely any room for the rally cars themselves, it was at the height of this era that the 205 t16 rally cars knocked the Audi Quattro of the top spot and won the drivers and constructors title two years in a row.

^^^ THIS is an example of the kind of car that should be a premium car, the premium cars should be the ones which have an exciting story, I mean nobody wants to hear, remember or care what Daihatsu were doing when they cursed the world with the Copen.

Premium cars should be the cars that have character, like the original TVR Speed 12, (code named the 7/12 : http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/tvr/images/speed12-18.jpg ), it had character because it was an immensely powerful car that would literally bite your head off with it's 812bhp, a car that was so powerful that the racing version had to be de-tuned to 700bhp, a car so mad that Keith Flint from Prodigy decided he wanted one. Compare that to something as dry and as mundane as a Suzuki Cappucino, something which is about as characterless as a blank page, I think it's pretty clear which kind of car you would rather have.

Then we move on to the fastest cars in the game, the cars people want to get their hands on, cars like LMPs, Group C, DTM, GT, etc. (I personally discount the F1 cars as you can't use them in A-Spec and the X1 is plainly ridiculous) ... we do have the 908, a car which was impressively quick compared to the Audi R15+ and yes we do have the Audi R10TDI, the first diesel to win Le Mans... we also have the Mazda 787b, a car that created it's own legend, a true underdog defeating Peugeot, the dominant Sauber-Mercedes and the feared TWR Jaguars... but what else do we have? Two F1 cars and a fantasy car with comical performance? What about the Jaguar XJR9, the car which toppled Porsche's dominance at Le Mans? What about the Sauber C9, the first Silver Arrow since 1955, a car that only lost one race in an entire season? What about the Audi R8 LMP1 the most dominant LMP car ever? The Pescarolo C60, the privateer car which was quicker than the R8 at one point? The Alfa 155 DTM car, a car in which a man with one arm won two races (Alessandro Nannini) and in which Alfa-Romeo and Nicola Larini won the title in their debut year? Thats what you call historical, thats what you call bloody good cars, but sadly the Toyota 88CV should not count as the performance is inaccurate by a mile in the game, as it was in reality a mid-field/tail-end car which was unreliable and never in top 15 when it came to the Sportscar World Championship.

Polyphony really need to look at which cars are the fastest in the game and which cars the people playing and racing within the game actually want and desire, before they decide to effectively waste resource on dull, uninspiring shopping trolleys and so called 'historical' cars which no one cares about... because we really want to vault the wall at Grand Valley East (2nd sector after the crest) and drive our 1930's VW on water that badly.

I think the best way to sum it up is this:
The Volkswagen Schwimwagen, a car your more likely to have never even heard about and nor would you want to drive it... built for the Nazis = this is a premium car.

The 1969 Ford GT40 #6 driven by Jackie Ickx and Jackie Oliver, a car which makes grown men feel 6 years old again, a car which fought off the Porsche 917 and a livery which makes us all think of Steve McQueen = this is a standard car.

Now alot of you will know that this should not be the case.
 
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Premium cars should be the cars that have character, like the original TVR Speed 12, (code named the 7/12 : http://www.pistonheads.com/tvr/tvr/images/speed12-18.jpg ), it had character because it was an immensely powerful car that would literally bite your head off with it's 812bhp, a car that was so powerful that the racing version had to be de-tuned to 700bhp, a car so mad that Keith Flint from Prodigy decided he wanted one. Compare that to something as dry and as mundane as a Suzuki Cappucino, something which is about as characterless as a blank page, I think it's pretty clear which kind of car you would rather have.

How would you know a Cappuccino drives like a characterless blank page? Have you driven one in person? I can guarantee that the Cappuccino is not that slow in person I have less power and it accelerates faster than how GT5 predicts it. I had a choice I would own a Cappuccino over a speed 12. Its a lot more useable and probably a lot more fun. Consider it is one of the funniest cars I have driven. I have driven everything from Evos, Skylines, V8 Commodores to a wide range of MX5s. Anyone that I have let driven my car (one of them actually ownes a 1972 Nissan Skyline aka the Hako) was giggling like a little school girl after he drove it. Car has a lot more character than what the game shows.

Cappuccino is a premium car so deal with it. Me personally owning one and being a massive fan of Kei Class cars I am glad it is. Also glad that at least one of my cars is a premium car.

A couple of vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXcE1__qdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evLSTtDZlLI&feature=player_embedded

My car only has 48.7rwkw.
 
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How would you know a Cappuccino drives like a characterless blank page? Have you driven one in person? I can guarantee that the Cappuccino is not that slow in person I have less power and it accelerates faster than how GT5 predicts it. I had a choice I would own a Cappuccino over a speed 12. Its a lot more useable and probably a lot more fun. Consider it is one of the funniest cars I have driven. I have driven everything from Evos, Skylines, V8 Commodores to a wide range of MX5s. Anyone that I have let driven my car (one of them actually ownes a 1972 Nissan Skyline aka the Hako) was giggling like a little school girl after he drove it. Car has a lot more character than what the game shows.

Cappuccino is a premium car so deal with it. Me personally owning one and being a massive fan of Kei Class cars I am glad it is. Also glad that at least one of my cars is a premium car.

Ya, I don't mind cars like the Cappuccino or the MX-5 because they are sports car in some capacity, and are still fairly fun to drive, but cars like the Schwimmawagon should not even be in the game, let alone premiums, but its done now, so I think this thread was meant for the future. No point taking them out now, as that is counter productive.
 
Mate agree with you with Schwimmawagon is a waste of space I don't understand why there are war vehicles in the game in the first place.
 
I thank the lord every day that the Veyron is standard. Imagine how many more noobs would be attracted to the game if it was premium. Anyway what races can you use a Veyron in anyway? Open lobbies with unrestricted Hp? Wow way to take a game with 1000 cars and turn it into a two horse race.

What are you supposed to use the lower Hp ( whatever that means? ) cars for I hear you asking? Um, race them in lobbies with hp restrictions to suit. Problem solved. I'm surprised the people asking these questions can even turn there PS3's on.

Honestly racing in 600hp cars is no better then racing in 200hp cars. Once you stop trying to one up everyone you play against you may realise this. And for the record my premium LS insight weighing in at 1022kgs is unbeatable for under 200hp production road cars. The only cars faster is the standard early model Insight and the Elise's but the Elise doesn't even count in my books being designed from the ground up as a track car. CVT + hybrid power plant equals me dragging off all under 200hp car including any Elise.

I'm a Honda fan and even I thought "why the hell would I want a Insight?" But one night I took a chance and was pleasantly surprised. It has one of the best body kits available as a premium and the technology behind the Power train mean the performance cannot be represented accurately by power to weight. There my secrets out, so drop by your Honda dealer and pick one up!

Cars of a Noob generation,

The Elise, anyone would think that they were everyones favourite car but I bet 99% of people would never own one or even knew of their existance before GT when they realised they can undercut the competition with it. You can bet your bottom dollar that
every Noob who turns up in my under 200 or 300hp class will pull that out straight away and I'm like.. sigh.

The Veyron. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Anyone who wants cars like this in premium are playing the wrong game. There are already games around with only the fastest cars so noob off!

I got to say I'm pretty disappointed with GT Planet their seems to be an epidemic of negative/ noob/ waste of time threads that people keep posting. I'm sure there are some good topics in here somewhere but they are all buried under the avalanche of stupid threads. "Unwanted premiums" "I cheated the game to reach level 40 what do I do now" etc. It just seems to be noob city 24/7 here. Where people meet to cheat, or complain about how they get given the most definitive racing title in the history of man yet its not good enough for them. After the previous games I've been playing GT5 is something to very happy about. Most games are far more broken and much smaller then GT.
 
I thank the lord every day that the Veyron is standard. Imagine how many more noobs would be attracted to the game if it was premium. Anyway what races can you use a Veyron in anyway? Open lobbies with unrestricted Hp? Wow way to take a game with 1000 cars and turn it into a two horse race.Wow, really, your hating on the Veyron because it's a popular car. I think the real noob here is you. Who cares if it becomes premium, it won't make it a better car. Most people use it regardless of it being a standard.

What are you supposed to use the lower Hp ( whatever that means? ) cars for I hear you asking? Um, race them in lobbies with hp restrictions to suit. Problem solved. I'm surprised the people asking these questions can even turn there PS3's on.
People are talking about the almost untouched 33 HP quirks in the game, not necessarily what traditionally a low powered car is in motorsports.

Honestly racing in 600hp cars is no better then racing in 200hp cars. Once you stop trying to one up everyone you play against you may realise this. And for the record my premium LS insight weighing in at 1022kgs is unbeatable for under 200hp production road cars. The only cars faster is the standard early model Insight and the Elise's but the Elise doesn't even count in my books being designed from the ground up as a track car. CVT + hybrid power plant equals me dragging off all under 200hp car including any Elise.
So your telling me your Insight is the fastest regular car in the game with under 200 HP. Doubt it

I'm a Honda fan and even I thought "why the hell would I want a Insight?" But one night I took a chance and was pleasantly surprised. It has one of the best body kits available as a premium and the technology behind the Power train mean the performance cannot be represented accurately by power to weight. There my secrets out, so drop by your Honda dealer and pick one up!

Cars of a Noob generation,

The Elise, anyone would think that they were everyones favourite car but I bet 99% of people would never own one or even knew of their existance before GT when they realised they can undercut the competition with it. You can bet your bottom dollar that
every Noob who turns up in my under 200 or 300hp class will pull that out straight away and I'm like.. sigh.

The Veyron. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Anyone who wants cars like this in premium are playing the wrong game. There are already games around with only the fastest cars so noob off! Maybe you can;t comprehend people's preferences

I got to say I'm pretty disappointed with GT Planet their seems to be an epidemic of negative/ noob/ waste of time threads that people keep posting. I'm sure there are some good topics in here somewhere but they are all buried under the avalanche of stupid threads. "Unwanted premiums" "I cheated the game to reach level 40 what do I do now" etc. It just seems to be noob city 24/7 here. Where people meet to cheat, or complain about how they get given the most definitive racing title in the history of man yet its not good enough for them. After the previous games I've been playing GT5 is something to very happy about. Most games are far more broken and much smaller then GT.
Good for you.
 
IMO, horsepower and super high performance isn't always what driving is about; it is a "driving simulator." This is an important standard when you to criticize Gran Turismo. I'm sure there was a lot of different things considered in the development of the premium car list.

I'm not disappointed in the quality current list, but I am disappointed in how small it is.
 
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They should just make all the European cars premium first, since the game lacks cars in that department in the first place. Then the next thing they should do is take all the race cars that are standard and make them premium. I mean all race cars including rally cars. Then they should take all the rest of the cars that are standard left over and decide, which of these cars are coveted. After doing all that all the crap cars that are stupid premium like slow 4 bangers will no longer be. And all the Japanese cars that have a bunch of different versions of premium and standard should be left alone. That could easily put the standard to premium conversion to around 500 cars.
 
Theres way too many Super GT and Nascar premiums. Same car, different livery.

There are basically only 3 NASCAR models, and different textures to count.

Er, actually no, although that was what I initially thought too (don't know that much about NASCAR) but I own each single NASCAR in GT5 and each interior is different and I don't mean just between Ford, Chevrolet and Toyota like you would expect.
Also each Ford, Chevrolet and Toyota have different interiors from the other examples of the same brand making them much more than a simple cut and paste job, in fact each interior has been modelled separately it turns out (like they obviously are in real life).
Which makes that the time and effort they put into making these cars simply astonishing, same probably goes for most Super GT cars.
 
In my opinion all the premiums are wanted for me. I just wish they had a proper standard car dealership instead of the used car dealership where you have to wait for certain cars thats needed for some races (The Formula GT for instance). The rareness in a lot of the standard cars annoys me. I want to be able to buy the car that I need for some races instead of hoping for pot luck in the cars.

Mate agree with you with Schwimmawagon is a waste of space I don't understand why there are war vehicles in the game in the first place.

Im sure you talk for everybody , because everybody hates the same cars as you do. Thats not including me though because Im glad they included those slower cars too.
 
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The question is

standards to premium?

or new complete new models as premium?


I mean common, there are so great new cars out there and if PD decides to make those suzukis and mx5´s to premium, that would be a big fail in gaming history...

If they really make some good standards to premium that´s ok but if they start again with japanese cars to make them premium, that would be an huge dissapointment...

The yellow bird, the GT40 (old race car) the M3 GTR race car, that´s one of the better standards wich must get premium but at one point PD must let their old cars go... We´ve got cars (and graphics) from GT1 in GT5... Let some cars go, throw them away... Make an GT4 HD for PS3 if you can´t let them go but don´t make an PS2 in an PS3 game...
 
Mate agree with you with Schwimmawagon is a waste of space I don't understand why there are war vehicles in the game in the first place.

Not sure about the Schwimmawagon, can't seem to find it anywhere.
The Schwimmwagen however offers me tons of fun and proves speed isn't the only factor providing fun in a videogame, and that handling can even be challenging at low speeds, same goes for the Kübelwagen.
Yes both were used in some war I believe started by a weird one-testicled Austrian teetotal vegetarian artist with a small moustache and a passion for Richard Wagner, both were also designed by Dr Ferdinand Porsche and can be regarderd as interesting pieces of engineering, I'd much prefer these 2 over a Willys Jeep personally (not the side of the war they fought, just to be clear).
 
That red Toyota in the PCD, is it a Yaris?

I haven't seen anyone take a photo of it yet, in that case, it's fail.
 
Didn't the Willys Jeep have a lot more power than the Kubelwagen? In addition, it wasn't as ugly, and everyone remembers it.

I was reading on Wikipedia and apparently, Kubelwagen translates to "Bucket car".

...I think it fits. It's not the full name, but it still fits.
 
Didn't the Willys Jeep have a lot more power than the Kubelwagen? In addition, it wasn't as ugly, and everyone remembers it.

I was reading on Wikipedia and apparently, Kubelwagen translates to "Bucket car".

...I think it fits. It's not the full name, but it still fits.

Ugliness or beauty are highly subjective and both cars weren't designed to be either or with any of these concerns in mind, they are purely functional (which doesn't rule out being beautiful or ugly).
Everybody remembers the Willys sure as it carried on in many more wars and thus depicted in many post WW2 movies as well (alongside the many, many WW2 movies which also heavily feature the Kübelwagen) but the Kübelwagen is remembered too, although perhaps not as fondly for obvious reasons.
The Willys Jeep is the obvious "hero" car and for me it therefor also became a tiresome cliche.
Objectively (as in disregarding the historical connotations and popular culture imagery) I find both Volkswagens more interesting, and even better looking in a non-conventional way.
 
By a country mile the best online races I've had onine are for cars under 350bhp.

Performance is relative, if everyone is in similar cars the racing is just as intense and challenging whether they have 200bhp or 800bhp.
 
If I could have some cars upgraded, it would be all variations of the stratos and the audi r8 race cars.
 
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Long post.

None of what you said, didn't read all of it, matters if they didn't have complete access to the cars. Don't know how many times people have to say it. I'm sure the majority of the cars were chosen to be premium based on available data or their ability to access the data. Then there are some that they chose in order to appease the US and Euro fans. And finally older, historic cars to keep in tune with the game's encyclopedia like qualities.
This thread is turning into the Standard VS Premium thread, and we surely don't need another one of those.
 
The Autozam AZ-1 is one of my favorite premium cars.

Anyway I think this topic is foolish. If everyone were allowed to eliminate one Premium car they didn't like there would be no Premium cars in the game.
 

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