Car List Criticism - Unwanted Premiums
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TT3AZ
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Damn look at the Car-List in Shift2... The 120 Premium cars are much better than the 1000 cars from GT5!!
I don´t get it why PD made such worse premium cars (not graphics, selection)... I´m turkish and if I would make an real-time strategy game, I would not implement 70% turkish army and 30% from the rest of the world...
And then the track-list of Shift2, I think more than 90% of the GT5 players would preffer the Shift2 Track-list than the GT5...
Stop talking bull, "90%" of players, no way man, i think the tracks are good. Premium car list, okay maybe a little odd, but that is due to the 270 cars limitation. The premium list should be like 500, then we would se more epic cars (i hope)
The Need For Speed seriers will never be good enough as forza or gt series. Just look at all previous NFS games, they are arcade games, hardly racing simulators. NFS series will never be a racing simulator, because NFS players arent car/racing enthusiasts, they are casual players.
I doubt Shift 2 will have 500/1000 cars like forza 3 or gt5.
Many people complain about the amount of Skylines in this game, but to be fair, enthusiasts do care about the different years and specification.
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Ok I talk for me...
But the skyline thing, If they would implement 60 variations of my favourite car, I would not care... You can´t really feel the 5hp difference between some models...
Forza 3 has the best car list from all games but I think EA listens and knows what people want... So T10 do... I bet clever game manufacturers read in GT5 forums and listen to the users to win some of the GT fans... I wish Pd would do the same...
T10 also made a poll wich car the gamers want see in the next DLC...
I bet the new (if we will ever get some) GT5 DLC will have 8 japanese cars out of 10... Ok they can be proud of their car-industry... But they are not the only...
Maybe with the GT series they want to help the Japanese car industry, who knows...
But the skyline thing, If they would implement 60 variations of my favourite car, I would not care... You can´t really feel the 5hp difference between some models...
Forza 3 has the best car list from all games but I think EA listens and knows what people want... So T10 do... I bet clever game manufacturers read in GT5 forums and listen to the users to win some of the GT fans... I wish Pd would do the same...
T10 also made a poll wich car the gamers want see in the next DLC...
I bet the new (if we will ever get some) GT5 DLC will have 8 japanese cars out of 10... Ok they can be proud of their car-industry... But they are not the only...
Maybe with the GT series they want to help the Japanese car industry, who knows...
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If the UCD was filled with rare cars, they wouldn't be very rare now, would they?
TT3AZ
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Yes, the reason gt5 has crappy premium cars, is advertising. The japanese way of thinking is very patriotic, and they dont like americans and europeans, that is said. The real problem is the premium car list, because many japanese epic cars arent in the premium list either. The whole car list 1000 cars is good i think, but the 270 premiums, no way man. I cant figure out why the Supra RZ is standard though.
I dont like the idea of putting new ordinary cars in game, because those cars in real life would never been tuned or raced. Thats why I dont like the idea of having 2010 Toyota Prius in game, because no enthusiast will never race one of those.
Forza series i think, has a very balanced car list, many street cars from both europe, asia, and america. I really think it has something to do with advertising. Even if Kaz want to put certain cars in game, because he sure knows what people wants, he "cant".
Personly i think gt5 is an odd game, it sure is good, but some things are just way to wierd.
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PD is known to get early access to brand new cars that are not even released to the public from manufacturers. Also, I bet Sony (an multi billion dollar corporation) will likely access to things that an individual like me doesn't. Kaz races cars, so I bet he has special accesses as well. Also, there are many "common" sports cars left out in favour of more idiotic ones.
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The only premium cars that seem redundant to me right now are some of the race cars, like the Nisaan GT-R's (not just Nissan's though, there are others too). Exact same car, same specs, just a different livery so PD can pad the car list. It would make much more sense to me if they had (1) of these available for purchase in the dealership and you could go into GT Auto and change the livery to your liking, instead of having multiple copies in the dealership with different liveries. But again, it's just an easy way for PD to pad their car list so they can have the claim to fame of over 1000 cars in the game.
I'm of the opinion that ALL cars in GT should be premium cars available for purchase all the time from the new car dealership. Do away with standard cars and the UCD altogether. Even if that means having several hundred fewer cars in the game. It seems a bit ridiculous to have a game designed for high definition televisions and have 80% of the cars look absolutely hideous.
I'm of the opinion that ALL cars in GT should be premium cars available for purchase all the time from the new car dealership. Do away with standard cars and the UCD altogether. Even if that means having several hundred fewer cars in the game. It seems a bit ridiculous to have a game designed for high definition televisions and have 80% of the cars look absolutely hideous.
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I agree with that statement whole heartedly. Who cares if Forza doesn't have as many cars as GT5. The cars Forza does have are worth driving and are representation of the exceptional vehicles of the world, not just one region.
Many of the cars in GT5 are mediocre at best, and I wouldn't want to race them IRL or in a racing sim. One of the problems in my opinion with GT5 is the completely unbalanced and very biased car list. It seems like they want to shove their country's cars down everyones throat. As someone who has owned Japanese cars in the past, and as a car enthusiast, it's a complete turn off to me. PD needs to realize that other countries have produced exceptional vehicles also. But they are not represented with the vigor and enthusiasm that the Japanese cars are getting in GT5. It's a very unfortunate situation.
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Well, I've read almost all posts and I've found some interesting ideas and some plainly radical and stupid. I'm also able to see that some people still misinterpret me, so I'll explain my OP a bit better and also discuss some of the responses to this thread.
First of all, I do agree that the more premiums the merrier, but here's my argument regarding "Unwanted Premiums". With GT5, PD has given us a pretty though time because they took 5 years to bring us 200-odd cars and they apparently aren't willing to bring us more (I could be wrong, but DLC so far looks like a far-away dream). In this set of 200 cars, you'd expect them to bring the creme de la creme, the all time favourites of GT players merged with the fantastic new supercars and performance cars of the world. They did gave us some of that, but they also wasted (there's no other word for it) time on cars that the majorityof GT players (and therefore, payers) will not ever touch because they don't find them appealing in any level. Yes, there might be some players who like them and some people who excuse this, but I have strong reasons to believe this is indeed a mistake. And apparently other people, who commented on this thread, have them too.
I agree that diversity is a major factor in the GT experience. Driving cars you didn't even knew existed and being surprised with pages long forgotten of automotive history is amazing stuff, I can't deny that. I loved the amazing amount of cars in GT4, covering a somewhat wide span of interests, power ranges, years, and nations. However, I don't see how grocery-getter cars (Because, let's face it, the hybrids, K-Cars, and all that kind of cars, are commuter mobiles. Period.) mean in any form "Enjoyment", "Diversity", or "Interst" to the majority of GT players, or car nuts. If I wanted to drive a piece of metal that was designed to haul kids and not exhilarate boys, I'd get my ass off my chair and go drive mom's Fiat to the grocery store. You want the "real" driving simulator? You're better of with real driving then...Traffic jams, speed limits, boring and un-inventive cars, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't want either to have only race cars and big turbocharged monsters in GT, because then again it would ruin diversity. But I want stuff that could be considered by 80% of the players and petrolheads around the world as "Fun", or "Exciting", "Cool", or "Interesting". Sometimes this means fast, sometimes it means new, sometimes it means awkward. In none of the cases it means ecologic or mediocre. Cars are a showcase of human capacity in engineering, and car games are designed to do nothiung more than showcase cars. So why showcasing cases of human mediocrity like 60HP Suzuki shoeboxes? They're such amazing feats of technology that said previusly mentioned Fiat could run rings around them at a racing track. Having to mention twice my mom's car brings me to another point.
Apparently, a lot of people want his/her/his dad's/his grandpa's/his first (or whatever) car in GT. But the thing is, I don't. And I don't think a fraction of the people who bought a car game would want them. Did your father drove a Turbocharged SAAB? Sure, that would be enjoyable to drive for most people. I learned to drive in a Renault 9 and a Mexican-made VW Jetta 1.6, I hang around with my mates in a Land Rover Santana, and my mom owned a Renault 4. I'm terribly fond of said cars, but I admit they would fail to interest anyone who has any interest or whatsoever in cars or racing because they don't know all the stories and experiences behind such cars. So, I don't go around GTP saying "Uhh I want a Renault 9 because I love the car", because I know most people still think it's a useless french crap-box (Even Top Gear does). Get over it.
On PD's defence, I have to go against the argument of "Duped" racing cars. I've noticed it, all SuperGT's and NASCARS, even being the same base model, and having the same mechanics, and being identical to the physics model, are uniquely modelled. A proof of this is their interiors. However I'd think PD should say the Nissan GT-R Super GT500 is one car, albeit with 5 different "liveries" (Although actually, as I said, not only the livery changes).
Then there's the absolutely invalid argument of PD not being able to get the cars for them to model. This is undeniable false. It's not hard to get a nice car to model, and I know it. Somebody else said here already that when on the Bugatti Museum at Le Mans he could even sit in a Pescarolo. I, for example, have been in a series of car sites in Europe and I've been able to get close and personal with a lot of high profile cars. I'm no VIP, and yet I've been able to behold and photograph R8 LMPs, historic Porsches, classic BMWs. I've even been to the Lamborghini factory, where I took a tour inside it and saw the #13 and #14 Reventons being made. Imagine if I was some big CEO man with plenty of money in my pockets (Because, to me at least, $60M is a hell of a budget for a videogame), I could be allowed even to start their engines in the museum. Even here in Colombia there's a Ferrari dealership, if I had enough money I could go there and they'd allow me to photograph every inch of an F430 and they'd even give me a test drive. PD has trademark licences and big money, therefore they can model pretty much whatever they want. This argument gets even weaker when talking about mass-produced cars. Things like a Scirocco R, a Seat Cupra, a new BMW Z4, a 500 Abarth, a Volvo C30 T5. How hard can it be to go to a showroom, showing a big fancy trademark agreement and asking the people there to show you the car? Finally, this argument dies with me saying "If other car games can get hold of X car, why can't GT?". Sheesh, even low-budget modding teams for games like Rfactor and GTL can get to model cars and in a quite astonishing quality given the resources they have. Not being able to get the cars? Invalid, sorry.
Also, there's the people who keep yelling "Speak for yourself. I love driving at 20MPH in a Prius". Unbelievable. Of course I'm speaking for myself, as a subjective human is all I can do. But, feel free to prove me wrong, other people have expressed they feel the same in one way or another. I'm trying to give voice to a majority. A majority akin to the one that gives Top Gear an estimate amount of 300 Million viewers around the globe. A majority composed of car nuts, petrolheads, appreciators of engineering, lovers of thrill, car fans, and not car bores. If you want a game tailored to your exact needs, then GT is not the game for you. If you want a game with all millions of variations of Miatas and Suzuki Crapuccinos, sorry, GT shouldn't be for you. Why? Because it's a mainstream racing game. It's dessigned to cater what most people what, and what most people want is exciting stuff, not boring K-cars that can only be appreciated by anoraks. I, and I bet at least 75% of the people who bought GT, don't want this cars and would like others instead. Why? Because I want fun. It's a game, and I want to do things in it I can't do in real life, like doing a road test of the most recent hot hatches, winning the 24 Heurs Du Mans, driving a one-off Ferrari, and things like that. Again, if I wanted to drive all day at 60mph in an ugly shoebox, I'd become a cabbie.
There are other problems with GT5 car list, as I've pointed in my OP (and will point again, because I've thought of others) but this one is critic. All cars going in the GT franchise from now on will be premiums and if they keep wasting their time on unwanted premiums, this ship is going to sink.
First of all, I do agree that the more premiums the merrier, but here's my argument regarding "Unwanted Premiums". With GT5, PD has given us a pretty though time because they took 5 years to bring us 200-odd cars and they apparently aren't willing to bring us more (I could be wrong, but DLC so far looks like a far-away dream). In this set of 200 cars, you'd expect them to bring the creme de la creme, the all time favourites of GT players merged with the fantastic new supercars and performance cars of the world. They did gave us some of that, but they also wasted (there's no other word for it) time on cars that the majorityof GT players (and therefore, payers) will not ever touch because they don't find them appealing in any level. Yes, there might be some players who like them and some people who excuse this, but I have strong reasons to believe this is indeed a mistake. And apparently other people, who commented on this thread, have them too.
I agree that diversity is a major factor in the GT experience. Driving cars you didn't even knew existed and being surprised with pages long forgotten of automotive history is amazing stuff, I can't deny that. I loved the amazing amount of cars in GT4, covering a somewhat wide span of interests, power ranges, years, and nations. However, I don't see how grocery-getter cars (Because, let's face it, the hybrids, K-Cars, and all that kind of cars, are commuter mobiles. Period.) mean in any form "Enjoyment", "Diversity", or "Interst" to the majority of GT players, or car nuts. If I wanted to drive a piece of metal that was designed to haul kids and not exhilarate boys, I'd get my ass off my chair and go drive mom's Fiat to the grocery store. You want the "real" driving simulator? You're better of with real driving then...Traffic jams, speed limits, boring and un-inventive cars, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't want either to have only race cars and big turbocharged monsters in GT, because then again it would ruin diversity. But I want stuff that could be considered by 80% of the players and petrolheads around the world as "Fun", or "Exciting", "Cool", or "Interesting". Sometimes this means fast, sometimes it means new, sometimes it means awkward. In none of the cases it means ecologic or mediocre. Cars are a showcase of human capacity in engineering, and car games are designed to do nothiung more than showcase cars. So why showcasing cases of human mediocrity like 60HP Suzuki shoeboxes? They're such amazing feats of technology that said previusly mentioned Fiat could run rings around them at a racing track. Having to mention twice my mom's car brings me to another point.
Apparently, a lot of people want his/her/his dad's/his grandpa's/his first (or whatever) car in GT. But the thing is, I don't. And I don't think a fraction of the people who bought a car game would want them. Did your father drove a Turbocharged SAAB? Sure, that would be enjoyable to drive for most people. I learned to drive in a Renault 9 and a Mexican-made VW Jetta 1.6, I hang around with my mates in a Land Rover Santana, and my mom owned a Renault 4. I'm terribly fond of said cars, but I admit they would fail to interest anyone who has any interest or whatsoever in cars or racing because they don't know all the stories and experiences behind such cars. So, I don't go around GTP saying "Uhh I want a Renault 9 because I love the car", because I know most people still think it's a useless french crap-box (Even Top Gear does). Get over it.
On PD's defence, I have to go against the argument of "Duped" racing cars. I've noticed it, all SuperGT's and NASCARS, even being the same base model, and having the same mechanics, and being identical to the physics model, are uniquely modelled. A proof of this is their interiors. However I'd think PD should say the Nissan GT-R Super GT500 is one car, albeit with 5 different "liveries" (Although actually, as I said, not only the livery changes).
Then there's the absolutely invalid argument of PD not being able to get the cars for them to model. This is undeniable false. It's not hard to get a nice car to model, and I know it. Somebody else said here already that when on the Bugatti Museum at Le Mans he could even sit in a Pescarolo. I, for example, have been in a series of car sites in Europe and I've been able to get close and personal with a lot of high profile cars. I'm no VIP, and yet I've been able to behold and photograph R8 LMPs, historic Porsches, classic BMWs. I've even been to the Lamborghini factory, where I took a tour inside it and saw the #13 and #14 Reventons being made. Imagine if I was some big CEO man with plenty of money in my pockets (Because, to me at least, $60M is a hell of a budget for a videogame), I could be allowed even to start their engines in the museum. Even here in Colombia there's a Ferrari dealership, if I had enough money I could go there and they'd allow me to photograph every inch of an F430 and they'd even give me a test drive. PD has trademark licences and big money, therefore they can model pretty much whatever they want. This argument gets even weaker when talking about mass-produced cars. Things like a Scirocco R, a Seat Cupra, a new BMW Z4, a 500 Abarth, a Volvo C30 T5. How hard can it be to go to a showroom, showing a big fancy trademark agreement and asking the people there to show you the car? Finally, this argument dies with me saying "If other car games can get hold of X car, why can't GT?". Sheesh, even low-budget modding teams for games like Rfactor and GTL can get to model cars and in a quite astonishing quality given the resources they have. Not being able to get the cars? Invalid, sorry.
Also, there's the people who keep yelling "Speak for yourself. I love driving at 20MPH in a Prius". Unbelievable. Of course I'm speaking for myself, as a subjective human is all I can do. But, feel free to prove me wrong, other people have expressed they feel the same in one way or another. I'm trying to give voice to a majority. A majority akin to the one that gives Top Gear an estimate amount of 300 Million viewers around the globe. A majority composed of car nuts, petrolheads, appreciators of engineering, lovers of thrill, car fans, and not car bores. If you want a game tailored to your exact needs, then GT is not the game for you. If you want a game with all millions of variations of Miatas and Suzuki Crapuccinos, sorry, GT shouldn't be for you. Why? Because it's a mainstream racing game. It's dessigned to cater what most people what, and what most people want is exciting stuff, not boring K-cars that can only be appreciated by anoraks. I, and I bet at least 75% of the people who bought GT, don't want this cars and would like others instead. Why? Because I want fun. It's a game, and I want to do things in it I can't do in real life, like doing a road test of the most recent hot hatches, winning the 24 Heurs Du Mans, driving a one-off Ferrari, and things like that. Again, if I wanted to drive all day at 60mph in an ugly shoebox, I'd become a cabbie.
There are other problems with GT5 car list, as I've pointed in my OP (and will point again, because I've thought of others) but this one is critic. All cars going in the GT franchise from now on will be premiums and if they keep wasting their time on unwanted premiums, this ship is going to sink.
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I am a racing and car enthusiast and I played NFS Shift and loved it! I am also looking forward to Shift II. From what I've read about it, it is more along the lines of a sim than an arcade racer.
Even if Shift 2 doesn't have as many cars as GT5, it's ok with me provided they have cars that are representational of the world, not just one region, and the cars they do include are cars are worth driving (which unfortunately many in GT5 are not).
I have complained about the number of Skylines in GT5. I really think it's ridiculous when they have glaringly omitted so many other cars that were just as important, if not more so, to the automotive world.
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They can be the best 146 cars possible but IMO if the driving physics isnt as good as GT5 then it still wont be as good.
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So have you driven a Kei Class car? Probably not so until you have sat behind the wheel of one DO NOT pass judgment. Like I said in my pervious post they actually are really fun car to drive and just wish more people would get their around that you do not a big motor or a big car to have fun and I have proven that fact to a lot of people in person.
Consider the Cappuccino is as fast as a NA Silvia or a 1.8/1.6 MX5 in a straight line and the handling matches that of an MX5 (just understeers slightly more than the MX5 which tends to oversteer slightly more)
Every person that has driven my Cappuccino have giggled like a little Japanese school girl which tills me that find it fun to drive. Yes I have driven a lot more powerful cars such as Evos and Skylines. But Cappuccino is up there with one of the funniest cars I have driven.
So sick and tired of people passing judgment on a class of car they have never had an opportunity to have driven in person.
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Why, oh why people keep ignoring the arguments.
I HAVE DRIVEN IT! I had to endure something called "K-Car cup", as many people have. I've also drove some on the seasonal events. I enjoyed the suzuki so much I painted it in marrone, an almost diarrhea brownish color. If you talk about real life driving, it may be fun so I'd drive it in real life. But it isn't fun in the game, so I don't want to drive it.
Again, I do not care if you like them or not. The majority of people don't. GT isn't a game for you or the select hundreds (or thousands, though it's unlikely) that enjoy this cars, GT is a game for the millions of people in charge of making it Greatest hits/Platinum hits. Sorry if I'm harsh, but from what I've seen it appears to be true.
I HAVE DRIVEN IT! I had to endure something called "K-Car cup", as many people have. I've also drove some on the seasonal events. I enjoyed the suzuki so much I painted it in marrone, an almost diarrhea brownish color. If you talk about real life driving, it may be fun so I'd drive it in real life. But it isn't fun in the game, so I don't want to drive it.
Again, I do not care if you like them or not. The majority of people don't. GT isn't a game for you or the select hundreds (or thousands, though it's unlikely) that enjoy this cars, GT is a game for the millions of people in charge of making it Greatest hits/Platinum hits. Sorry if I'm harsh, but from what I've seen it appears to be true.
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Woop de dooo!! You have driven it a game clap clap clap! Guess what I have owned one for 5 years.
Unfortunately GT5 doesn't depict its sense of speed accuaretly in reality a Cappuccino has more of a sense of speed than an Evo 9 (I have driven both on the same piece of road. Evo was quicker but when your doing 80km/h it feels like your doing 40km/h in a Cap when doing 80 around the bend if feels like your doing 80 around the bend)
2nd half of your post is the most ironic thing I have read all day. Are people forgetting that this game is developed and produced in Japan. Kei Class cars are a BIG part of the Japanese Car Culture and cars like the Honda Beat, Mazda AZ1 (Suzuki Ciara) and the Suzuki Cappuccino are the best Kei Class sports cars ever produced so they do have a spot in GT5 considering it was because of Gran Turismo that I ended up in a Cappuccino.
Just because YOU don't like Kei Class cars it does not mean the REST OF THE WORLD (there is more to the world than North America and South America) doesn't like 'em. Considering Cappuccino's are very popular in Japan (which is a given) the UK and parts of Europe.
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Are you forgetting the Cappuccino weighs 700kg and sets a lot lower than an Evo 9 and being shorter wheel base its also a lot rougher on the road than an Evo. So when you doing 80km/h around the same bend in both cars the Evo FEELS slower because of the engineering behind it the Evo should be taking the same corner at close to 120km/h hence the different SENSE of speed. With the Evo you have the YAW control, ecu and All Wheel Drive system aiding you around the bend. Where is with a Cappuccino you don't there isn't even power steering in the early models.
Given that Handling of the 9 is a lot greater than that of a Cappuccino of course when both are doing the same speed around the same corner the Cappuccino is to FEELS faster (not saying that it is faster) like I said I have driven both cars on the same piece of road. Not on a computer game.
EDIT: I forgot to mention my brother who owns the Evo 9 on the same track and thought the same thing as me because of the above. Mind you there is a 6sec difference in both cars best lap times.
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No double meaning meant, I just say this as a funny note. If we talk about "feel" and "sense of speed", the Renault 9 I learnt to drive in felt like doing 300 Km/h when doing 160. Why? Because it was about to shatter in tiny little pieces when at that speed. I really didn't remember the feel around corners, I was thinking where would my head land in case the car wen't the wrong way around
.Nope, I'm not forgetting that mate. However I don't think that just because it's a Japanese game it must have all Japanese cars. Specially when you consider that this game is being sold all over the world. So, instead of focusing on just one region, why not giving the short list of cars that would interest all regions and then complete it with samples of what each specific region has to offer? All I'm saying is that I and, again, most people who bought this game (Who are mainstream gamers) would want to have the car list that would interest all regions first than the list with the rest because PD takes a whole lot of time to modell a car. Tell me something, how many K cars and how many Group B rally cars are GT5? If we asked everyone who bought the game, guess what would be the choice? I'd say, four wheel driven and humongously turbocharged.
First of all, check this thread. I'm not the only one who doesn't like them
.In Europe? Without any harsh intentions, may I ask where? I don't recall seeing any K cars in the time I've been there. Maybe it's because I've just visited Central and Southern Europe. Perhaps in Northern Europe they like this cars? Can any local confirm this?
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The Crapuccino is nowhere near light enough to make up the difference. The power to weight ratio is DOUBLE with the advantage going to the Evo 9. Just because the Evo handles better doesnt mean it feels slower. Your preception of what feels fast is totally wrong. Feeling like your going to flip a car around a corner doesnt make it feel fast. It just feels like it handles like $hit to a true driver.
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What you fail to realise is the United States only makes up 5% of the worlds population. So how you can claim "the majority of people don't like it" is beyond me. Especially since most speak langauges you don't understand.
We ( outside USA ) see this all the time. Its like Amerca thinks the world revolves around them.
If you don't like the global flavour of GT5 there are plenty of American domestic games to satisfy the United bubble of America.
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So you have driven both back to back? Probably not. And its light enough to make a lot of difference. Especailly since there is a massive difference in rigidity between the two cars. But the way I am talking around corners not in a straight line. The straight line pull you get an Evo is like no other car I have experienced especially when its tuned and full boost (22psi) kicks in a 3.5k rpm.
MX5 also feels a lot quicker (around bends) than a Evo for the engineering behind both cars. I stand by that judgment as I have driven both and do drive both cars on a regularly basis.
CarreraGT - Was it standard or was it modified? Modified is a different experience especially around corners slightly and probably the reason why I do RNP runs and Old Pac runs in it as often as I can. Also the look on dumbarse P Platers who have no idea what it is priceless especially when they are in a SSS pulsar or a VN-VS Commonwhore.
Carbastard - I didn't realise this thread speaks for the WHOLE WORLD...how many people are in this world again?
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It was standard. Didn't do much for me, but I'm not much of a FWD car fan.
On that though, would you rather spend money modifying a Cappuccino or just buy a better car to begin with? It may end up being a quicker car but at the end of the day a) it's still FWD and b) it's still a Cappuccino. I just couldn't take myself seriously driving a car called a Cappuccino...
On that though, would you rather spend money modifying a Cappuccino or just buy a better car to begin with? It may end up being a quicker car but at the end of the day a) it's still FWD and b) it's still a Cappuccino. I just couldn't take myself seriously driving a car called a Cappuccino...
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What you fail to realize is that I'm not from the U.S.A. I see this all the time, someone comes and think's I'm North-American and bashes me. There are plenty of american domestic games to satisfy the united bubble of america, but I don't care about them. Because, what you fail to realize is, that I do not want only cars from here or there, or only cars with over a million horsepower. I wan't cars that make me, and in overall, the majority of people who buy this game, feel the $60 were worth it. I don't think the whole world revolves around America, but I don't think either that the whole automotive world revolves around Japan, does it? So, by PD making this game focused in Japan they are effectively doing what you apparently hate "me" for doing. I applaude your argument sir.
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Uk has a massive following consider Suzuki sold the Cappuccino there. There is also a massive following in Germany which actually has a website for em but the link has escaped me. Also are also a few scattered all over Europe as well from Portugal to Finland.
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Are you sure you not talking about a Cino which is based on a Suzuki Swift and was Sold in Aus with a 1.0l Carby motor?
The Cappuccino is Rear Wheel Drive. Not front wheel. Cappuccino provides cheap thrills. Prefect weekend car handles great it is turboed and a convertible. I wanna drive something quicker I have a wider range of cars to chose from. Between friends and my brothers. Also have a IS 200 for daily duties (manual of course)
Given the fact that cops are now targeting modified cars in Sydney why would I need anything quicker? They don't even look twice and my car is far from quiet.
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