Car Of The Month Club! EVENTS COMPLETE

[VBR]

Excellent idea Brandon, would get people more involved if they voted. Good point about the F40, I've not driven it since the 2.09 update, but can remember the chronic understeer stock on SH tyres. I can imagine that the 2.10 physics have tamed it a little, will have to give it a go.

I'm looking forward to Laguna.

 

[Marcus Garvey]

I actually don't mind either the old vettes or the F40.....so I should probably keep out of the voting hahaha.

I am going to miss Saturday's racing this week, as I will not be available until later in the evening. I will have to catch up with you folks at Monterey.

 

[Mudd]

Any of the premium vintage American muscle cars would be a blast, if you ask me. The interior views on 'em are awesome, and rear tires breaking loose at every corner is just plain fun. I've spent hours around Nurb all alone driving the old Camaro's and Stang's. 👍

Ooooo...almost forgot Challenger! Way too much fun smoking around the turns!

 

[carracerptp]

Hey guys, I don't think I can make the week day races anymore ( ) but I hope I can race Saturday.

 

[BrandonW77]

Any of the premium vintage American muscle cars would be a blast, if you ask me. The interior views on 'em are awesome, and rear tires breaking loose at every corner is just plain fun. I've spent hours around Nurb all alone driving the old Camaro's and Stang's. 👍

Ooooo...almost forgot Challenger! Way too much fun smoking around the turns!

I'd like to do the muscle cars but the big problem with them is that most of their transmissions are rubbish and most can't get very far over 100mph. Since we prohibit tuning we wouldn't be able to race them at any track that has a straight-away, so that would limit us to tracks like Kart Space and Eiger Short.

I'll give them another look and see if any of them can be run at a proper track.

Hey guys, I don't think I can make the week day races anymore ( ) but I hope I can race Saturday.

Hope to see you on the weekends. 👍

 

[OwensRacing]

I'd like to do the muscle cars but the big problem with them is that most of their transmissions are rubbish and most can't get very far over 100mph. Since we prohibit tuning we wouldn't be able to race them at any track that has a straight-away, so that would limit us to tracks like Kart Space and Eiger Short.

I'll give them another look and see if any of them can be run at a proper track.

Hope to see you on the weekends. 👍

The New Camaro is always a great option. In RM of course. that car is fast and fun out the box. Great V8 rumble. Kinda provides all the muscle with some modern finesse.

 

[BrandonW77]

The New Camaro is always a great option. In RM of course. that car is fast and fun out the box. Great V8 rumble. Kinda provides all the muscle with some modern finesse.

I'm a big fan of the '67(?) Shelby GT350 and IIRC it has a useable gearbox. Only problem is that it's Standard so we'd probably have to arrange some "trades" to make sure everyone has it.

 

[Marcus Garvey]

Some of them are worse than others. A lot of the Chryslers only run to 110-120mph, where the Vettes and some others can get a bit more.

I have been slowly acquiring vintage standards to my account, so I can always run a bunch in testing and see what would be acceptable. I believe in the past the Stingray was fair for Suzuka East, Tsukuba, and the like. At some point in a previous update I also recall a change in how the fuel cut is applied to the older cars, to make it softer. I'm rather certain they just readjusted the power curve to fall off much more sharply after redline so that the car wouldn't scream towards the cut. They should've let those cars just rev out without the cut, as they all would spin until they collapsed lifters, floated valves, or ran out of huff.

 

[BrandonW77]

Some of them are worse than others.

I believe the '69 Camaro (even in RM trim) has one of the worst, it screams like hell until about 110mph and then throws in the towel............with about a half mile of straight-away left to go. How does the Trans-Cammer do?

I haven't thought too much about next month's car(s) yet. However, I drove the BMW Concept 1 Series (on SH) in a DeadNuts race the other night and it was simply spectacular. It's not the flashiest car (although the carbon fiber hood and racing stripes are sharp!) but I believe it would do a very good job of reproducing the racing we've seen in the Sciyobaru cars.

Some other possibilities:

2014 Corvette Stingray
Ferrari 512BB
A Lotus of some kind?
Merc '54 300sl
S2000 GT1 Turbo

I'm going to stick to Premiums for a while because they're very easy to acquire and I'm trying to make this whole thing as accessible as possible. I'm also going to stick with mid-to-low power cars because I think they help keep the field a little closer (the faster the car the bigger the talent gap becomes). I'm open to options, and I like themes.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I haven't thought too much about next month's car(s) yet. However, I drove the BMW Concept 1 Series (on SH) in a DeadNuts race the other night and it was simply spectacular. It's not the flashiest car (although the carbon fiber hood and racing stripes are sharp!) but I believe it would do a very good job of reproducing the racing we've seen in the Sciyobaru cars.

Some other possibilities:

2014 Corvette Stingray
Ferrari 512BB
A Lotus of some kind?
Merc '54 300sl
S2000 GT1 Turbo

I'm going to stick to Premiums for a while because they're very easy to acquire and I'm trying to make this whole thing as accessible as possible. I'm also going to stick with mid-to-low power cars because I think they help keep the field a little closer (the faster the car the bigger the talent gap becomes). I'm open to options, and I like themes.

If you're looking to keep the field closer together, then forget the 512BB and the S2000 GT1. The former is difficult to drive and the latter is near GT500 fast. The Merc is a nice car to look at but it's stock 4 speed leaves a lot to be desired and with a quite tall 4th gear, it's a pretty boring drive. The New Stingray is a great handling car, but awfully fast and challenging at it's stock PP and tires.

These cars are very good out of the box as well and all in the 430-490PP range:

RX7
RX8
Jaguar XK Luxury Coupe
BMW M3 Coupe
Maserati Gran Turismo
Lotus Evora
Lotus Esprit V8
Silvia Spec R S15
S2000
Any Evo or Impreza (Imprezas handle better)

For a theme, I've got a chubby lately for the European heavyweight luxury sports cars like the Alfa 8C, Gran Turismo S, M3 or M5, Jags, Astons etc. Not sure how they'd compare to each other at the same PP but it would make for a very interesting grid if you can get them to match up and they handle quite well on stock rubber.

 

[SagarisGTB]

RX7
RX8
Jaguar XK Luxury Coupe
BMW M3 Coupe
Maserati Gran Turismo
Lotus Evora
Lotus Esprit V8
Silvia Spec R S15
Either FT86From memory, the regular FT86 oversteers wildly and can't take bumps at all. The 86GT-triplets are a far better proposition.
S2000
Any Evo or Impreza (Imprezas handle better)

👍

In terms of standard cars, the ZZ-S/Garaiya duet are excellent fun.

 

[RDAardvark]

Didn't we have a look at the evos and scoobies a while back but found they weren't a good match? Maybe time for some more testing....

 

[Johnnypenso]

Didn't we have a look at the evos and scoobies a while back but found they weren't a good match? Maybe time for some more testing....

They may not match up PP for PP but with some power limiter they might be made to run together. The Impreza has much better turn in and I find the Evo's tend to want to understeer a bit. I'd rather run them separately but I get that it's a big rivalry, although I suspect most guys here are on the Impreza side of the battle.

FT86 removed from list, thanks Sag:tup:

 

[BrandonW77]

The 512BB is not as wild as it used to be, some recent updates have tamed cars that used to be a handful. I drove it a week or two ago and was surprised, it can still get loose when abused but not nearly as severe.

Maybe a stock S2000 would be better than the souped up one, I find that their strange power-band makes them a little easier to handle which would be more accessible to the average driver. I don't know if I've ever driven the GT1 Turbo so I wasn't sure how fast it was. My thinking was that we could use some of the "tuner" cars as a way to race "tuned" cars under the "tuning prohibited" setting. 💡

It's been my/our experience that every Evo in the game is .5-1 second slower on average than any Impreza, even when they're dialed back to the same PP. I've tried several times to match these two up and haven't been able to make it work. I wish though! We attempted the Impreza TC as a solo car but people said it understeered too much so we abandoned it.

It seems Lotus is the only one that made both of our lists so maybe those are worth looking into. AFAIK I've only driven the 111R. I like the European heavyweights idea such as the Jag's and Aston's too, but in my experience they are turds to drive/race. Perhaps they have benefited from recent updates as well and deserve another go.

 

[Torzilla]

I agree with alot of what is being said, especially whats being said about Lotus, Camaro RM and the RX8, if anything was being said about a 370Z I would agree with that too. I dont know how well it drives but Delorians would be fun for a month or at least look cool. I also think an 80's Lambo vs Ferriari would be a fun drug smuggler shootout.

 

[Johnnypenso]

My thinking was that we could use some of the "tuner" cars as a way to race "tuned" cars under the "tuning prohibited" setting. 💡
I like the European heavyweights idea such as the Jag's and Aston's too, but in my experience they are turds to drive/race. Perhaps they have benefited from recent updates as well and deserve another go.

For Tuner cars look at the Nismo 380 RS Super Leggera in the Amuse Garage. It's perfection on wheels. Basically a 500PPish car with 15/25 downforce. Haven't driven it for a while but it's always been an absolute gem. The Gran Turismo 350Z RS is similar but without the downforce.

Try giving the Alfa 8C a spin, it might change your mind. Same with the M3 Coupe.

 

[BrandonW77]

For Tuner cars look at the Nismo 380 RS Super Leggera in the Amuse Garage. It's perfection on wheels. Basically a 500PPish car with 15/25 downforce. Haven't driven it for a while but it's always been an absolute gem. The Gran Turismo 350Z RS is similar but without the downforce.

Try giving the Alfa 8C a spin, it might change your mind. Same with the M3 Coupe.

Both the Nissan's are onto radar and have been mentioned by the group several times in the past. I didn't put them in my second list because I figured if the S2000 Turbo was too fast then the Nissan's would be as well.

I've always liked the 8c (sehksy) but I tried it the other night for DeadNuts and it was more than a handful. That could have been due to the tires though.

 

[Mudd]

I would love to run the new Stingray, but I'd say wait at least another month for it just to see if we get an update that allows us to paint her. I'm also a big fan of 'premiums only' because I prefer interior view, especially in these 'no tuning' races. I could live with driving a standard for a month though, if it comes up. I'm also willing to help stock us up with any standards that may be needed for such events, as I've never gotten rid of a car in my garage and its quite a mess with many duplicates.

 

[VBR]

The Pontiac Solstice Concept has awesome handling on Comfort Softs. I got it in a Shuffle race once on Suzuka & it gave me a smile from ear to ear. If I think of anymore I'll let you know.

 

[BrandonW77]

The Pontiac Solstice Concept has awesome handling on Comfort Softs. I got it in a Shuffle race once on Suzuka & it gave me a smile from ear to ear. If I think of anymore I'll let you know.

I do like that car, surprisingly. Kinda good lookin' too. (Saturn version looked a lot better).

 

[acedition333]

I'd be up for the 350z RS. Its a good car. Or any Z! S2000 would be a fun lil car too. But we'll see whats on the board to vote for.

 

[dsgerbc]

My thinking was that we could use some of the "tuner" cars as a way to race "tuned" cars under the "tuning prohibited" setting. 💡

Begin by checking if the game will allow those on the track with 'tuning prohibited' set to ON. I seem to recall wanting to try a fresh from the dealership Amuse when we were looking for race cars in 4XX PP range and it wouldn't let me.
UPD: nevermind, that was a non-turbo non-premium S2K GT1

 

[BrandonW77]

Begin by checking if the game will allow those on the track with 'tuning prohibited' set to ON. I seem to recall wanting to try a fresh from the dealership Amuse when we were looking for race cars in 4XX PP range and it wouldn't let me.
UPD: nevermind, that was a non-turbo non-premium S2K GT1

Would it not let the non-premium S2K in with tuning prohibited? I know some cars, for whatever reason, need to have the transmission reset to default (even if you've never driven them) to get in under tuning prohibited. We've also found that sometimes when you change wheels you'll need to reset the transmission to get in. I would assume that as long as the car is in the same condition as when it left the dealership it would be allowed in under tuning prohibited, even if it was a "tuner" car, but you know what they say about assuming......


I drove the Z4 M Coupe ('08) last night, pretty good little car but I think it'd need to be on sports soft tires to get good racing. I drove it on SM and it was good but had a touch unpredictable understeer. I also tried it on CS which was...........fun.

 

[TrackBound7]

The racing Tuesday was intense. Not sure if it was the car, the track or just the driving ability of the field...but it was a good combo. Hope the next car will produce more great racing...don't care what car that might be.

 

[BrandonW77]

^ Good to hear. When picking a car I always try to find one that I think drivers of all skill levels will be able to handle when they're in close quarters with other drivers. Some cars require a very skilled touch to be able to race hard, and when things get heated a driver of lesser skill (no offense intended) may have a hard time keeping it under control which could lead to mayhem.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Suzuka East will always produce a close race in 400PP cars because there's really only two corners, the first and the last. The rest of the time you are flat out or nearly so and you can literally draft someone for the entire lap, even in the corners.

 

[BrandonW77]

I think close racing in slow cars is the best way to learn/improve your racecraft because you're almost always in close quarters and making 100 decisions per second. I enjoy that way more than long races in high powered cars where everybody drives around by themselves for most of the race. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think close racing in slow cars is the best way to learn/improve your racecraft because you're almost always in close quarters and making 100 decisions per second. I enjoy that way more than long races in high powered cars where everybody drives around by themselves for most of the race. 👍

I tuned up a few cars for the Nurb PP Board in the Tuning Forum and one thing that really seems to work is the following tire formula:

400 - CS
450 - SH
500 - SM
550 - SS

Those are fixed targets obviously and you'll have to decide where the cutoff is, but as a general rule it seems to make for a relatively similar feel across the PP levels, particularly in the transition phases of turn in, going on and off throttle, loss of grip etc.

If you take a stock Premium RX7 02' for example, around 450 PP on SH tires to Suzuka East, I think you'll find it's very similar in feel to the Sciobaryu at 400 on CS tires. Throw SM's on the Alfa 8C and you'll find it also has the right balance of grip, although as speeds increase, the margin of error is smaller.

 

[BrandonW77]

Racing today! Lounge will be open around 2:30pm EST and racing will begin around 3:00. Hope to see a good crowd! 👍

 

[RDAardvark]

Racing today! Lounge will be open around 2:30pm EST and racing will begin around 3:00. Hope to see a good crowd! 👍

I might miss the first race, but should be there shortly after 8pm UK time.