Chemtrails?

[BobK]

Actually @Famine's already given the definitive answer to the original question here.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Actually @Famine's already given the definitive answer to the original question here.

Forgot all about that, thanks Bob

 

[Enemem]

The fact that you felt the need to report that I reported you, on this thread indicates the frailty of your argument ( and a distinct lack of class). Threatening people because they won't give you the answers you want is bullying. You shouldn't be in here if you need to ban people. I haven't posted anything worthy of a ban, nothing in the AUP has been broken by me.

Notice whilst you been accusing me of not posting evidence, you have posted none, Scaff. No interesting links, nothing useful.

Uninterested in finding the truth, just pushing your own agenda. You want to poke fun at me then you deserve a ban.

 

[MrSulu]

The fact that you felt the need to report that I reported you, on this thread indicates the frailty of your argument ( and a distinct lack of class). Threatening people because they won't give you the answers you want is bullying. You shouldn't be in here if you need to ban people. I haven't posted anything worthy of a ban, nothing in the AUP has been broken by me.

Notice whilst you been accusing me of not posting evidence, you have posted none, Scaff. No interesting links, nothing useful.

Uninterested in finding the truth, just pushing your own agenda. You want to poke fun at me then you deserve a ban.

No one in here but YOU has an agenda. Scaff posted links to FORTY THREE peer reviewed documents. You should change your location under your avatar, you are clearly not on this planet.

 

[Enemem]

Forty three peer review articles that prove that contrails form, not that contrails are never chemtrails.

Prove you've got a spleen, if you can't then you haven't got one. That's the logic from the holy one.

 

[Scaff]

The fact that you felt the need to report that I reported you, on this thread indicates the frailty of your argument ( and a distinct lack of class).

Now that's a logical fallacy.

Threatening people because they won't give you the answers you want is bullying.

No its not. You have potentially broken the AUP (by making a claim that may be knowingly false) and have been asked to either retract it or back it up. That is a perfectly normal request in these circumstances.

You shouldn't be in here if you need to ban people. I haven't posted anything worthy of a ban, nothing in the AUP has been broken by me.

You have now broken the AUP twice, once for failing to back up a factual claim and once for ignoring moderation instructions, as a result you now have a two day ban. On your return you will either back up your claim or retract it as your first action, fail to do so and you will find the ban becomes permanent.

Notice whilst you been accusing me of not posting evidence, you have posted none, Scaff. No interesting links, nothing useful.

43 peer reviewed documents say otherwise. How many have you provided to back up your claims again?

Uninterested in finding the truth, just pushing your own agenda. You want to poke fun at me then you deserve a ban.

Fortunatly for all involved you don't have the mandate to do that.

Forty three peer review articles that prove that contrails form, not that contrails are never chemtrails.

Forty three documents that prove all of the circumstance you claim are Chemtrails are actually contrails, to counter which you have provided nothing at all.

You will do so when you return (or retract this nonsense) or the ban will be permanent.

Prove you've got a spleen, if you can't then you haven't got one. That's the logic from the holy one.

More nonsense what a surprise.

Your argument here is a logical fallacy (again). Spleens are know to exist, as such I don't need to prove I still have mine (and if I had it removed medical evidence would be available). You have not yet even proven that Chem-trails exist, start with that when you return.

 

[squadops]

Is all this nonsense based on the simple question of whether a jumbo fire killing jet can leave 'chemtrails' or not?

I see no reasonable reason why not, hell just barely open the hatch a squitch and fly around silly nilly dumping whatever, would that not make a trail?

If that is not the deal, then I will say I don't see any proof being needed to say it's possible to make a so called trail... fly low, stick your hand out the window and depress the button of a hair spray can lol.

Of course imo enemen is being silly but I don't see the aup this and that, it's obvious chemtrails can be produced, the idea that it's being done on a large scale is preposterous but whatever.

 

[Scaff]

Is all this nonsense based on the simple question of whether a jumbo fire killing jet can leave 'chemtrails' or not?

I see no reasonable reason why not, hell just barely open the hatch a squitch and fly around silly nilly dumping whatever, would that not make a trail?

Nope it wouldn't as its not even remotely designed to operate in that way, as even a brief look at the patent would show you. Its designed to dump its entire load (thousands of gallons) in seconds from a height of 2,300 feet (Chem-trails are claimed to occur at the same height as con-trails - which is above 3-4 miles).

You would literally have to redesign the entire delivery system for it to occur, not to mention that it operates out of the bottom of the plane, not the wingtips and edges.

If that is not the deal, then I will say I don't see any proof being needed to say it's possible to make a so called trail... fly low, stick your hand out the window and depress the button of a hair spray can lol.

See above. Would you like to stick your hand out of a plane at 3 miles up? Take a guess what would happen.

No one has said that low level chemical dispersal can't happen, of course it can its called crop-dusting. That's not what the claims of Chemtrails are, proponents claim that these are disguised as contrails (which means they happen above 3 miles or so).

Of course imo enemen is being silly but I don't see the aup this and that, it's obvious chemtrails can be produced, the idea that it's being done on a large scale is preposterous but whatever.

If its so obvious then please provide evidence to the same standard as has been provided for contrails. Shouldn't be difficult if its that obviously easy to do from a height of 3+ miles out of the back of a plane for many, many miles.

 

[squadops]

Same standard evidence? Crop duster?

 

[Scaff]

Same standard evidence? Crop duster?

I will take that as a no then.

 

[squadops]

Of course you would, you say yourself 'crop duster' but only you can use that? LOL I never said anything about 3 miles or for miles and miles or whatever you try to trap me in.

You should probably go back and read all of my posts in this thread, even though you won't.

 

[BobK]

As to whether or not it's possible, I'd say surely it is. As to whether or not it's being done, I'd say not bloody likely. As to whether it's being done in secret on the massive scale the nutjobs claim, I'd say rubbish.

 

[squadops]

complete rubbish indeed.

 

[Imari]

The fact that you felt the need to report that I reported you, on this thread indicates the frailty of your argument ( and a distinct lack of class).

Naw, he just knew that the rest of us would find it amusing. I know I certainly did.

Threatening people because they won't give you the answers you want is bullying I haven't posted anything worthy of a ban, nothing in the AUP has been broken by me.

Notice whilst you been accusing me of not posting evidence, you have posted none, Scaff. No interesting links, nothing useful.

Ahem.

Oh and plenty of proof would be more than acceptable, anything to a scientific standard would be good, peer reviewed documentation would be good, so far you've managed neither.

Let me show you what I mean and how easy it is:

Here is a fact sheet about contrails (from the EPA, NASA, NOAA and the FAA):
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envir_policy/media/contrails.pdf

Here is just one of the peer reviewed sources used to support it:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s007040050058

And here are the 41 documented citations that back up that single document:
http://citations.springer.com/item?doi=10.1007/s007040050058

That is peer reviewed evidence to a scientific standard. I await the same for Chemtrails.

You were saying?

Uninterested in finding the truth, just pushing your own agenda. You want to poke fun at me then you deserve a ban.

Do I get a ban too? I mean, I'm largely interested in debunking your pseudoscientific dribble, but I won't deny that it is fun.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Of course you would, you say yourself 'crop duster' but only you can use that? LOL I never said anything about 3 miles or for miles and miles or whatever you try to trap me in.

You should probably go back and read all of my posts in this thread, even though you won't.

Actually he and most of the mods here read everything because that's what their job usually entails. Not to count the fact he wouldn't want to break AUP by misrepresenting and make a contradiction of the system he enforces. So it's quite the assumption for you to make twice in such a short post that he is cherry picking what is said and wont re-read your posts...

It is funny that you're going to make these assumptions to try and devalue another user as well, because you really don't have a foundation are as glossed over as the OP with bias and "wanting to believe"

Also as someone that actually has to study aircraft and what not, I don't think people who talk about this understand what principles take place for this to work. You kept saying low flying, but the case studies given to us and in general show high ceilings, not 100 feet above ground crop dusters, thus disbursement measures would be night and day. And to re-engineer a MAFFS system that is purposely designed to drop retardant to nullify fires into a system that chemically disperses chemicals into high altitude isn't as easy as you think. It's isn't "hey mister take that aerial tanker up to 80,000 ft and drop this 'secret' chemical".

 

[squadops]

I'm not assuming anything, it was a poke sure and I was simply pointing out the straw man he tried to play on me. My point was how little credence I put into this conspiracy and that it's a good idea to at least think of the valid points I've made thus far.

I do of course have a foundation and I'm not biased at all, who want's to simply believe for beliefs sake? How absurd is it to think it's possible to blow **** out a plane at speed and altitude? Common sense sometimes is enough.

Oh well, ride the train 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm not assuming anything, it was a poke sure and I was simply pointing out the straw man he tried to play on me. My point was how little credence I put into this conspiracy and that it's a good idea to at least think of the valid points I've made thus far.

I do of course have a foundation and I'm not biased at all, who want's to simply believe for beliefs sake? How absurd is it to think it's possible to blow **** out a plane at speed and altitude? Common sense sometimes is enough.

Oh well, ride the train 👍

If common sense was all it took to engineer what you think is just simply done then I shouldn't have to go to school for my degree. However, that's my issue with the OP and people that seem to think it's that simple. Instead of being a keyboard warrior, how about actually researching or doing the hard work and go to school if your that interested. But don't insult intelligence based on an misconceived use of the term "common sense", real common sense would be not talking on a subject out of ones scope, but hey your nails and your coffin.

 

[squadops]

I recently wrote a post in this thread all about doing research, have you seen it?

common now, my nail in the coffin? ffs

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I recently wrote a post in this thread all about doing research, have you seen it?

common now, my nail in the coffin? ffs

Yes I did, after Scaff posted the 43 citations of peer review that the OP could see explained what he felt was unexplained and thus the chemtrail was clearly the missing piece to the puzzle (it wasn't). However, what you seem to fail at grasping is you just made an assumption that common sense would dictate it should be easy to use a crop duster or a MAFFS unit as working base for chemtrails. Systems meant for low altitude applications being used in high aerial applications...even after I long ago gave a method for weather manipulation/adjustment via high altitude applications along with the ideal ill effects.

Either way you've still not answered how this is common sense or as simple as you make it out to be. Please inform me because I'd love to save 10k on further loans by just learning from you. Also your shameless plug of how to research a subject, which we all said and you basically tree'd is an unneeded misdirection after I just asked you to further explain. One topic at a time.

 

[squadops]

If you really think it would be super hard or impossible to spray any sort of anything out of any given airplane I cannot help you. Common sense says otherwise to me and I'm sure many others, that in no way says I believe in chemtrails or conspiracies.

 

[Imari]

If you really think it would be super hard or impossible to spray any sort of anything out of any given airplane I cannot help you. Common sense says otherwise to me and I'm sure many others, that in no way says I believe in chemtrails or conspiracies.

To spray a chemical out of a high altitude plane such that it appears to be generating a contrail, but otherwise wouldn't if whatever chemical equipment were switched off? All sorts of potential problems with that, and if you can control physics well enough that you're only generating contrails with the system on then you might as well go the whole hog and design something that doesn't generate mile long lines pointing at your aircraft.

If you're just injecting chemicals into contrails that would be generated anyway, that might be easier. But then again, injecting chemicals into a jet exhaust probably has it's own problems, and raises the question of why you would inject into the contrail instead of simply letting the chemical flow from some other part of the plane.

Pretty much every way I can think of it, chemtrails are an ass backwards solution to the problem of dispersing chemicals. If you want to spread chemicals across the country, there's heaps of more effective, cheaper, easier to conceal ways to do it.

 

[squadops]

It is an absolutely absurd notion without doubt, I've already stated, as have others that much easier ways of whatever the 'devils' want to do exists lol.

Just saying we could do it, we put a man on the moon after all

 

[Dan]

Will Enemem go superZuel supernova (Ironic that his avatar has a sun in it) when he returns? Find out in two days!

I'm beginning to wonder why Enemem joined the site in the first place. To push his absurd new-age agenda on everyone, then play the victim when proven wrong? Possibly.

 

[Swagger897]

Posting here so I get the alerts of the next shmuck who believes in "things that the government does attempting to kill us all called 'chem trails'"....

 

[Dan]

Posting here so I get the alerts of the next shmuck who believes in "things that the government does attempting to kill us all called 'chem trails'"....

You can just click "Watch Thread"

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If you really think it would be super hard or impossible to spray any sort of anything out of any given airplane I cannot help you. Common sense says otherwise to me and I'm sure many others, that in no way says I believe in chemtrails or conspiracies.

No one said it would be impossible point to where one of us says such. However, you said under the conditions that it would look like a contrail yet be made of chemicals, thus you'd most likely need to have a separate engine that runs on the plane that is purely dumping whatever it is that is chemically bad. So now yet again you're trying to devalue a post and misrepresent what was said, which is skating a fine line towards being against AUP.

So either you're here to talk the topic or talk about how things can be dropped out of a plane. Yes many things can be dropped out of a plane but it doesn't show relevance of chemtrails, nor is it important to the discussion at hand. Once again, you were talking about Crop dusters and MAFFS unit planes being able to use their systems to do this as a possibility. I'm telling you it's not possible without a change in engineering and many agree with that side who work in the field and are generally good at science.

It is an absolutely absurd notion without doubt, I've already stated, as have others that much easier ways of whatever the 'devils' want to do exists lol.

Just saying we could do it, we put a man on the moon after all

No one is saying we can't, but there isn't evidence to show it has or is being done. Also what is being told to you for the last time is the systems you asked about aren't equipped to do it in current state. The closest thing is silver iodide but that isn't chemtrails and all that does is weather manipulation, not this LSD psycho trip BS mind control or mood control that some claim is going on. Problem is you're somewhat doing was the OP did at the start, not out right say he believes (cause he knew what would happen) but pose a question that borders going either way so long as some proof verifies. Playing devil's advocate isn't proper and usually is a cop out device.

http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=98
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cloud-seeding-china-snow/

 

[Imari]

Just saying we could do it, we put a man on the moon after all

There's a difference.

You're saying it can be done. You sound pretty sure of yourself, which is tough considering there's considerable high level aeronautics knowledge involved in generating the contrails in the first place, and more than a few engineering difficulties involved in getting the chemicals into the contrail itself.

I'm saying it could probably be done, but might be pretty tough, thereby implicitly acknowledging the difficulties involved and that there may turn out to be insurmountable problems with generating a chemtrail as it's currently being described (resembles contrail, contains chemicals).

Do you have any evidence or basis for your statement that generating a chemtrail is possible, or are you just an extremely optimistic person in general?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There's a difference.

You're saying it can be done. You sound pretty sure of yourself, which is tough considering there's considerable high level aeronautics knowledge involved in generating the contrails in the first place, and more than a few engineering difficulties involved in getting the chemicals into the contrail itself.

I'm saying it could probably be done, but might be pretty tough, thereby implicitly acknowledging the difficulties involved and that there may turn out to be insurmountable problems with generating a chemtrail as it's currently being described (resembles contrail, contains chemicals).

Do you have any evidence or basis for your statement that generating a chemtrail is possible, or are you just an extremely optimistic person in general?

Not to count the fact that why would anyone pour that much money into such projects when it's be easier to do it through public water systems...

 

[Imari]

Not to count the fact that why would anyone pour that much money into such projects when it's be easier to do it through public water systems...

Why do you think rich people always drink bottled water? They're trying to ensure that the masses can't challenge their control, to suppress them, to keep them in their places so that they'll keep working like slaves for peanuts.

I tells you, it's a conspiracy, maaaaan.

There's a strange man in a van outside my house staring at me. Wait a second while I get my hat...

Edit:

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why do you think rich people always drink bottled water? They're trying to ensure that the masses can't challenge their control, to suppress them, to keep them in their places so that they'll keep working like slaves for peanuts.

I tells you, it's a conspiracy, maaaaan.

There's a strange man in a van outside my house staring at me. Wait a second while I get my hat...

I just thought they liked to blow money on water cause they can. Make sure it's heavy duty tin foil or the aliens might break through.