Chinese Grand Prix : Shanghai Circuit

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I would of thought that Eagle would of created this topic, but he wasn't been on since the 19th, so I decided to start it right away so we can enjoy this new GP. I'll try to make this first post as interesting as Eagle made them...

Last week was a pretty entertaining week for F1. Full of surprising and disappointing events. It was starting to look like this season was going to be exciting! Too bad we're down to the last 3 races. JV joined Renault and signed with Sauber, Jaguar left, and rule changes re-surfaced.

But right now, we have to focus on this GP.

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An interesting circuit made by the same artichect who brought us the Malaysian Track. It's a long track (5451 m) with only 56 laps to complete. I'm sure the 305 256 km to finish will make it an interesting race to follow. No F1 driver has any experience at Shanghai. Making it a real "best driver wins" type of track, with a little hint of luck of course.

I'll try to post the pratice times tomorrow morning.

Enjoy!
 
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China has thrown an awful lot of dedication into this circuit. Indeed it took over 3000 workmen about 20 months working 24 hours a day (in 8 hour rotational shifts) to complete the circuit. Unlike Bahrain, China was ready far ahead of schedule and has subsequently been fine-tuning all aspects of the circuit. Testament to this, Gerhard Berger was the first man to drive a Formula 1 car around the circuit in a display event of Michael Schumacher's championship winning F2003-GA.

The track can hold 50000 spectators and was designed by German architect Hermann Tilke, the man behind Sepang Malaysia and Bahrain. Just like those circuits, China is wide, and features a significant variety of fast and slow corners with two large straights. Cars will be hitting 330km/h on the back straight before braking down to 80km/h for the hairpin that leads the cars back towards the home straight. The layout resembles the Chinese symbol for the word 'high/above', part of the name Shanghai. The architecture is quite distinct, from the small lake with heavily glass villas that will hold the teams throughout the weekend, to the back stands covered in lotus-leaf inspired roofs. Far and away the most interesting aspect are the twin wings at either end of the start/finish straight. 140m wide they will house VIPs and media personnel.

Ferrari go to China undoubtedly high on their fantastic win in Italy. Their testing last week was consistent if not spectacular, and overshadowed by the return of Ralf Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve to the track. However, Ferrari were the first to master the other new circuit of the year at Bahrain, and will be hoping to win the first Chinese GP as well. Meanwhile, Bernie Ecclestone has accused Ferrari of being selfish in how they go about winning Formula 1, and suggested were Ayrton Senna still alive, Schumacher wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful. Pardon me for finding that a bit ironic from a man who takes more of the television revenue of Formula 1 than all 10 teams put together.

Williams had a reasonable showing in Monza and will welcome the return of Ralf Schumacher after nearly 3 months of absence. The German was quickly back in the saddle in testing at Silverstone, and will be hoping to return with a bang - but not from his engine.

McLaren had a somewhat dismal Monza after a lot of early promise, but they never stop believing, and Raikkonen unofficially shattered the lap record at Silverstone last week, so they will once again be a force to be reckoned with.

Renault will sport the return of former world champion Jacques Villeneuve, having bade fairwell to Jarno Trulli, who moves to Toyota. The Canadian took some settling in at the Silverstone test but was soon right back on the pace. Flavio Briatore will be hoping to snatch back second place in the constructor's race from BAR

BAR meanwhile remain in the dark over the status of their star driver for next season, with the Contract Renegotiation Board having delayed its decision on which team (Williams or BAR) holds the rights to the Briton. The team will have other things on its mind, having finally overhauled a flailing Renault for second in the constructors championship.

Jaguar and Minardi remain under a cloud, one team about to be sold, the other again struggling for funding and now also an engine supplier for 2005. Paul Stoddart is going to the length of selling half his collection of old Formula 1 cars to keep funding the team, with almost 40 antique race cars set to be auctioned, in the hope of raising $7 million.

First practice kicks off in just under 4 hours, so here's to a great Chinese GP.
 
Eagle
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What do you think of BAR's new colors for the Chinese GP?

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I'm anxious to see the circuit tonight (I'm staying up until 2am to watch practice). I enjoy Bahrain quite a bit. Both the circuit and race. I've read that the Shanghai circuit is supposed to be better, faster and provide better racing. The pictures I have seen are impressive.

I'll be back tomorrow morning with my thoughts.
 
the new BAR paintjob is so much better than the lucky strike one. it looks so good, and more commercially appealing. and with this paintjob, davidson kicked butt, taking both practice sessions.

i havent yet been able to see any footage of the track, that will have to wait till tomorrow
 
I expect this to be a good race. Hopefully McLaren can show some performance again. Maybe Williams will make a bit of a show.
 
So, stayed up late last night to watch the practice, actually watched the first practice via the live timing on f1.com as well (great thing to use while watching the cars BTW). Some initial impressions;

- Am I the only one who things this new circuit looks almost the same as Malaysia's? Yes the track is different but from the in car it is hard to tell. I was expecting more honestly from this circuit, beyond the start/finish straight (grandstands) the track is rather drab and cookie cutter. I though the Bahrain circuit was much better done. Much more interesting visually and in general alot nicer. BUt who knows lets see how the race plays out on the circuit. I wasn't that impressed with Bahrain either on first practice.

- Did the circuit seem way too bumpy considering it is brand spanking new? Given the entire thing is built on a swamp I think they will have to go back and fix some of those bumpy areas where things are settling differently than expected. Pretty shotty construction if you ask me. I would expect the track to be dead smooth this year and then bumpy next...but to start off bumpy like this...yikes!

- BAR's 555 colors. Yuk! Stick to the white/red/beige/black standard colors guys....Why weren't Sato and jenson's cars running the full blue like Ant's car? The best looking BAR of the season is the all black one with the arrows that Ant was running once or twice.

- Sato! Didn't even make it a full lap, his engine blew up in the second sector, besides the McLaren's he was the next to last out on the track too. They must have known it was going.

- Ant Davidson's lap...he must have been running way light with ultra sticky tires to be that far in front. Jenson's lap was great.

- Ferrari doesn't look dominate here, though I don't think theya re really trying THAT hard. Though they are so far ahead of everyone else look for them to be p1 and p2. It looks to me that Schumi is supporting Rubeuns now...

- If Kimi's engine doesn't blow looks like he could win this one. Kimi is the real deal, I think this season has fully shown that.

- Boy JV really ripped it up huh? To be fair Alonso didn't exactally rip it up either. They finished a few 10ths from each other. Neither Renault looked any good. But you can't tell anything from practice.

- Jaguar, well Webber, actually looked semi-good for once this season.

- If I was driving a csr with Michelin tires I'd be very worried about my race pace past the first 3 or 4 laps on my tires. This has been an issue all seaosn but looks especially bad here.

- Good on Ralph for coming back fairly strong. Also...it looks like JPM is actually trying again.
 
Cool circuit,I think Ferrari 1 and 2 .Why?As you all heard,Ferrari was the first team to test out the Shangai Circuit.So it will be an easy grand prix for them,will be looking forward to Villeneuve.
 
This is promising!

1 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:34.012 -
2 6 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren Mercedes 1:34.178 +0.166
3 9 Jenson Button BAR Honda 1:34.295 +0.283
4 12 Felipe Massa Sauber Petronas 1:34.759 +0.747
5 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams BMW 1:34.891 +0.879
6 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:34.917 +0.905
7 11 Giancarlo Fisichella Sauber Petronas 1:34.951 +0.939
8 17 Olivier Panis Toyota 1:34.975 +0.963
9 10 Takuma Sato BAR Honda 1:34.993 +0.981
10 5 David Coulthard McLaren Mercedes 1:35.029 +1.017
11 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams BMW 1:35.245 +1.233
12 14 Mark Webber Jaguar Cosworth 1:35.384 +1.274
13 7 Jacques Villeneuve Renault 1:35.384 +1.372
14 16 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:35.410 +1.398
15 18 Nick Heidfeld Jordan Ford 1:36.507 +2.495
16 15 Christian Klien Jaguar Cosworth 1:36.535 +2.523
17 19 Timo Glock Jordan Ford 1:37.140 +3.128
18 21 Zsolt Baumgartner Minardi Cosworth 1:40.240 +6.228
19 20 Gianmaria Bruni Minardi Cosworth --- ---
20 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari --- ---
 
What was Michael doing,that's not like him.I have never seen him go off like that in the first corner.Something must be up.I think they'll pull another Monza tomorrow,it's almost the same situation.

The track looks great,the main straight and the surrounding complex looks amazing aswell as the rest of the track.
 
I can't wait to see the cars on this track. It'll sorta be a preview for when the V8 supercars race there next year.
 
This circuit is growing on me, I'll admit that. I like a few of the corners. Still think it looks just like Malaysia.

I think this could be the one Jenson wins (damnit). Though Ferrari still look strong (withing the first round of stops Schumi will be in the top 5) and if Kimi's car finishes it could be a good race. The Williams are the wildcards this weekend.
 
Yummy, I hope I can goto the Shanghai Circuit when I'm in Shanghai, :d! Hopefully get some pictures if I get there.
 
Ooh.👍 I can't wait for the race, it starts in a few hours. It'll be quite exciting as it is a new circuit.:)
 
Well, it's 06:53, and I'm up (the only one in the house) waiting to watch live.

There's lots of talk that Michael deliberately threw it off in qualifying so that "he would have the challenge of winning from the back". I don't buy it, but then it was a very big accident to have - he wasn't even close to making the corner.

I think that the countryside looks a lot like Bahrain. But that main grandstand is awesome.

Looking forward to it.
 
Heh Giles...It's 1:30am, and I'm the only one up watching it :P. And yeah, the grandstand is just....astounding. Supposed to be about 200,000 people watching...insane.
 
kensei
This circuit is growing on me, I'll admit that. I like a few of the corners. Still think it looks just like Malaysia.

Well theres a good reason for that, and it is because both tracks were designed by the same person.
 
Very nice race, got a bit boring towards the end though. I won't spoil the ending for anyone, but it is well worth watching.
 
Apart from it being a putrid track, the race was pretty boring. Good job by Jamie Oliver jumping Kimi for second though.
 
I thought the race was quite good.......I like the circuit, theres alot of twisty bits and long straits.....and the building look really cool......One of the most interesting cources this year :) 👍

I support Mclaren and they really have been doing quite bad since back in the days of the 90's.......atleast there was one on the podium!

Can I ask a question........why did BAR not race in the new 555 colour cars??...Those blue ones look amazing......I don't get why in the actual race they were just the normal white ones! :confused:
 
Is it just me, or do we not see many elevation changes on F1 circuits any more?

Apart from the traditional ones - like the A1 ring, Monaco, Spa, Hungaroring, Interlagos and Suzuka - I'm struggling to think of a recent F1 track which is anything but flat. Shanghai has a small drop through the 1st/2nd/3rd corners but nothing interesting. Sepang is flatter than a week-dead hedgehog. Hockenheim isn't particularly interesting either.

So, the next person who builds an F1 track, make it hilly. And put a bridge in it, like Suzuka! :D
 
lol, yeah. put a big hill right at the end of a striaght where they would brake afterwards.

nothing like seeing a few F1s take off from the course like jet fighters :D
 
damn, didn't get to see the new BAR colours...can someone post a pic? I saw the driver's suits and it reminded me of the subaru WRC car.:)
 
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