Civic 3000hp should be banned?

[killerjimbag]

Try thinking outside your own box! And don't be so silly as to think you know my selfish desires! Because your assumptions are incorrect.

If PD feels the integrity of their game is in jeopardy..They will fix it. I'm sure they are aware what's going on. I'd bet five bucks you told them. I'm sure many others too. Great for whoever did I hope it gave them happiness. If playing the game is not fun 💡 don't play. But if you let other people ruin your fun. Then then problem is you. You are taking it to seriously, for only you can let others ruin your fun. That sir is within your power! (deep thoughts )

Take that race question. Simple solution, he's DQ'ed everyone moves up 1 grid position. Yeah it stinks that some got knocked around. But ruined C'mon. Stinky dirty cheater ok, but not ruined.

Oh start your own race series.. Yeah my friend and I did that a year ago, we have no issues with cheaters or hacks.

I never said nor do I want to know your selfish desires.
You lost 5 bucks.
Let me see about the inside outside the box theory you speak of.
We will use baseball as an easy to understand sport and it's inside outside the box rules.
Baseball has certain rules and regulations that all players/teams must adhere too.
Pitching mound must be 60 ft 6 in,base paths are 90 ft.
You must use league approved bats and ball's as well as approved equipment.
You cannot use PED's or any other banned substance, illegal equipment etc.
If you use PED's unapproved equipment (corked bats,files vasoline) you loose the right to play and are suspended.
Major League Baseball suspends your right to play because you played outside the box.
Should I explain more or insert PD/Sony.
I and others play inside the box.

 

[Adrenaline]

Not sure where the discussion has gone, but another reason this is harmful for the online racing community, is the undetectable and un-restrict-able 'super soft' tires that they can also hack onto the cars. No way you can limit that, unless you never allow racing softs again, and it'll be extremely difficult to say that someone is on better tires than you, with so many driving lines, skill variations and tuning options available.

 

[Drevenger]

Its really disappointing to see how most of the folk who want the hybrids to stick around cannot even see past their nose. Just because they are too busy driving these hax. (Exo doesn't count, he doesn't play GT5 anyway).

I'm asking everyone who want these hybrids to stay. If these cars would only be available to a selected few, what would be your position on this issue? If you couldn't drive any of these cars yet? The same cars that are Killing the balance of the game.

Total Selfishness.
Being able to access those cars shouldn't be a reason to accept them, thats pure ignorance.

Its sad because theres a bunch of folks that gonna leave this game because of the discrepancies with hybrids and folks who drive hybrids will most likely leave by themselves when the thing will be patched.

Not sure where the discussion has gone, but another reason this is harmful for the online racing community, is the undetectable and un-restrict-able 'super soft' tires that they can also hack onto the cars. No way you can limit that, unless you never allow racing softs again, and it'll be extremely difficult to say that someone is on better tires than you, with so many driving lines, skill variations and tuning options available.

Great, when they said it would be difficult to create the ultimate cheat car, yeah rite
There is definitely no end in sight, PD reactions will take ages, if they do anything at all.

 

[playnthru]

I never said nor do I want to know your selfish desires.
You lost 5 bucks.
Let me see about the inside outside the box theory you speak of.
We will use baseball as an easy to understand sport and it's inside outside the box rules.
Baseball has certain rules and regulations that all players/teams must adhere too.
Pitching mound must be 60 ft 6 in,base paths are 90 ft.
You must use league approved bats and ball's as well as approved equipment.
You cannot use PED's or any other banned substance, illegal equipment etc.
If you use PED's unapproved equipment (corked bats,files vasoline) you loose the right to play and are suspended.
Major League Baseball suspends your right to play because you played outside the box.
Should I explain more or insert PD/Sony.
I and others play inside the box.

Hmm, as to sentence #1. Assumption incorrect?? It still is!
Sentence #2, Stop lying you already claimed as did others you would report all that had said cars (pay up[not really:was joke to begin with])
If you really truly and deeply think Sony and PD are going ban everyone (like the MBL) call a doctor, no seriously you sir are taking things way to far..How on earth can you compare GT5 to MLB. Yes you should explain much more. That is Apples to Apple Computers

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

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Lol at this comment. Its obvious that you guys are not driving these thing offline only.
Why you think being "realistic" is ok? Some will have an unfair advantage over a certain range of PP. The balance of the game is fubar. Think about your realistic argument for a sec. I'm playing FPS games like CS, BF3 or Dust, what do you say if I wall hack you by saying its realistic, military got bunker buster bomb, how do you think folks will respond.... Kicked then Banned. Thats how you deal with hack and cheat no matter how realistic the hack is online.

Btw I think we found the Lancer :\

What the heck are you talking about? i say realistic as in 600-1000 hp, And i don't race against anyone, i do time trials or drift with mine. So You need to get you're misunderstandings in check before you go on ranting about something you know nothing about, Stop jumping to conclusions....And on the other stuff you mentioned...you lost me, What the heck are you even talking about.. And what lancer?

 

[Drevenger]

What the heck are you talking about? i say realistic as in 600-1000 hp, And i don't race against anyone, i do time trials or drift with mine. So you can go somewhere else ...What the heck are you even talking about.. And what lancer?

Wait.. what?

Realistic toward the game, not realistic real life.
Because balance is broken.
TT and DT? So you are a cheat then.

 

[playnthru]

Its really disappointing to see how most of the folk who want the hybrids to stick around cannot even see past their nose. Just because they are too busy driving these hax. (Exo doesn't count, he doesn't play GT5 anyway).

I'm asking everyone who want these hybrids to stay. If these cars would only be available to a selected few, what would be your position on this issue? If you couldn't drive any of these cars yet? The same cars that are Killing the balance of the game.

Total Selfishness.
Being able to access those cars shouldn't be a reason to accept them, thats pure ignorance.

Its sad because theres a bunch of folks that gonna leave this game because of the discrepancies with hybrids and folks who drive hybrids will most likely leave by themselves when the thing will be patched.



Great, when they said it would be difficult to create the ultimate cheat car, yeah rite
There is definitely no end in sight, PD reactions will take ages, if they do anything at all.

In my opinion this total selfishness..Exactly what you're doing! Trying to force your views upon others repeatedly all the while ignoring the fact that it's in ZERO way your call. And in no way your place or right to tell others what to do or think..

Talk about not seeing past ones nose jeezs..


See how far this flys

IF YOU DON'T USE IN CAR VEIW

YOU' RE CHEATING "real driving simulator" Keep it real...

 

[Drevenger]

In my opinion this total selfishness..Exactly what you're doing! Trying to force your views upon others repeatedly all the while ignoring the fact that it's in ZERO way your call. And in no way your place or right to tell others what to do or think..

Talk about not seeing past ones nose jeezs..


See how far this flys

IF YOU DON'T USE IN CAR VEIW

YOU' RE CHEATING "real driving simulator" Keep it real...

Its not about me its about hybrid cars.
You didn't answer my question kiddo.

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btw, I'm the selfish one for considering those who doesn't have access to these cheat?
I'm the selfish one for taking into consideration folks might leave the game?
Me say think again.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Wait.. what?

Realistic toward the game, not realistic real life.
Because balance is broken.
TT and DT? So you are a cheat then.

Ok, so you can't achieve 600-1000 hp in real life? Not even on a supra, a skyline or even a Silvia S13?....Just stop while you're ahead. And i am not a cheater, You need calm down and go start something with someone else.

Wait no, i see what kind of person you are, calling someone "kiddo"

"Realistic toward the game, not realistic real life. " And this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard, Yes, A Toyota supra in real life does not make anymore power after 725HP...

 

[usuhaia08]

Just one plain simple question for you all

What's the funny thing about those hybrid cars?

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Just one plain simple question for you all

What's the funny thing about those hybrid cars?

The bouncy ball fiat.

 

[usuhaia08]

The bouncy ball fiat.

But, is this not cruelty?

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

But, is this not cruelty?

Nah it entertains people in the free run lobbies i create, it's all good fun, and only on Top gear test track.

 

[playnthru]

Its not about me its about hybrid cars.
You didn't answer my question kiddo.

edit/
btw, I'm the selfish one for considering those who doesn't have access to these cheat?
I'm the selfish one for taking into consideration folks might leave the game?
Me say think again.

I was to busy ranting to take questions..Sorry to call you selfish..What I should say is I think it's selfish to only see one side. I see both sides, I think sony/PD will settle the matter, I'm fine with that.

As to your question, honestly I don't know. I think sharing in GT5 is good. I share all my GT5 stuff long before "hybrids" came out. I 'm all for sharing so only a few people having something is not my cup of tea. I'm not sure that answers your question though.

By the way, if you read around the forum lots of people taking about playing GT5 again because of hybrids too.. Ying/yang good/bad everything goes in cycles, it's a crazy world

 

[Anathema]

Lordy. There's an option to set the HP value... why not just use that if you don't want to see the hybrids (as in the modifed cars, not the actual hybrids like the Prius.)

It's what I do when I (very rarely) host a lobby.

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I have the 3000hp Civic. Has it ever been used in a actual online race? No, because it's not fair to people without it or the ones that choose not to use theirs. Do I get kicked for having it? No. Do I get kicked for using it? No, because of the way I use mine (e.g., helping a Fiat 500 to 250 MPH on the Mulsanne Straight.)

I seriously think that the modified cars need to not be judged on the cars themselves, but what people do as players with them. Granted, it's against PD AND Sony's TOS to make/use/have these hybrids, and I'm bored of mine myself, but it does provide a decent aspect of 'fun' to the game again, provided they're used correctly. (But who am I to say what others should do, you have a choice of what to do and how to do it. I can't tell you to do anything.)

Have I been kicked for NOT driving one? Yes, twice so far.

 

[elston87]

Have I been kicked for NOT driving one? Yes, twice so far.

That would make me pretty pissed-off right there...

GT5's community is definitely far from what it should be now, apart from GTPlanet of course~

 

[Johnnypenso]

If 1000 hp is a massive advantage at 600 PP, then the car will clearly fail HP reg checks.

That one is over the PP peak. The cars listed specifically seemed to be under the peak. The Lancer is very easily spotted though because of the power.

And 3000 hp at 500 PP isn't strictly an unfair advantage anyway. It depends on the room. Using these cars is not automatically cheating.

Seriously, what colour is the sky in your world? You make absolutely no sense, sorry. The Lancer is easily spotted? Spotted how? You wouldn't know anything unless you saw him on the track, which at the Nurb isn't necessarily going to happen depending on where you start. And what about the hacked cars that aren't 3000 hp but 650 hp at 550pp. Or with Super Soft tires? The whole idea of Open Lobbies is supposed to be set some regs and race, not have to be cop or a lawyer just to get a race started.

Lordy. There's an option to set the HP value... why not just use that if you don't want to see the hybrids (as in the modifed cars, not the actual hybrids like the Prius.)

It's what I do when I (very rarely) host a lobby.

Most lobbies are PP regulated. Having to check PP then HP adds an extra burden to hosts that means the host has to leave the track to do a check before the race starts, negating any recorded lap times. This means if it's a fastest first room, as all of mine were, the host always starts at the back.

Also, what do you set the HP limit to. I have legit 550PP cars nearly 600hp. If you set the limit at 600HP and somebody squeezes in a hacked GT12 with 583HP he'll still dominate the room if he has any driving skill at all.

 

[Exorcet]

Seriously, what colour is the sky in your world? You make absolutely no sense, sorry. The Lancer is easily spotted? Spotted how? You wouldn't know anything unless you saw him on the track, which at the Nurb isn't necessarily going to happen depending on where you start. And what about the hacked cars that aren't 3000 hp but 650 hp at 550pp. Or with Super Soft tires? The whole idea of Open Lobbies is supposed to be set some regs and race, not have to be cop or a lawyer just to get a race started.

Easily spotted via HP regs or on the replay, just like in the replay posted.

You can't just pick a hp and wind up at some PP number, so you probably won't see 650 hp at 550 PP unless the car has some terrible flaw (very high weight, terrible grip, etc). Then the modded car is just like any other car and provides no advantage. Anything far below the PP peak may or may not be modded, but it isn't going to be amazingly quick.

And if I remember, 550 PP is something like 450-500 hp, so 650 hp will should out easily.

What's this about the super soft tires anyway? Last I checked they're sports tires with no advantage over SS. They're basically a name and that's it unless they different than those ones that appeared in the B-Spec glitch. I personally never make a room without tire restrictions anyway so I guess I'd be lucky if they were something special.

I agree with you on what open lobbies should be, but unfortunately PD never gave us enough power to do that. It's lacking even now after many updates. The only rooms that are easily enforced have only the most basic rules. I hope PD fixes this.

Most lobbies are PP regulated. Having to check PP then HP adds an extra burden to hosts that means the host has to leave the track to do a check before the race starts, negating any recorded lap times.

It's more work yes, but they don't have to leave the track. They might not even be on it. And if they do have to leave, it's not a big deal if all they were doing while on there was tuning and not qualifying.

This means if it's a fastest first room, as all of mine were, the host always starts at the back.

Not true. I've never had to start at the back just because my room used more than PP or HP as rules. Any action I'd took simply occurred before I set my lap. It's that simple.

Also, what do you set the HP limit to. I have legit 550PP cars nearly 600hp. If you set the limit at 600HP and somebody squeezes in a hacked GT12 with 583HP he'll still dominate the room if he has any driving skill at all.

How? 583HP should be well below the PP peak. He'll just have a normal car. They guy might even have less than 550 PP and end up losing.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not sure where the discussion has gone, but another reason this is harmful for the online racing community, is the undetectable and un-restrict-able 'super soft' tires that they can also hack onto the cars. No way you can limit that, unless you never allow racing softs again, and it'll be extremely difficult to say that someone is on better tires than you, with so many driving lines, skill variations and tuning options available.

These are racing super softs you're referring to, not Sports tires?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

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racing super soft tires???

 

[Drevenger]

No matter how ridiculous hp regulated races are, i'm still not ok with those cheat cars.

Cars that pretty much screw the whole DT and TT system. Even if the DT system was broken, now its beyond any recognition (or will be soon).
Screw the whole A-spec thing with over 20 mil. credit reward in 7 min.
Screw most of online pub and league having to rework every regulations out.
Screw the confidence most had toward online racing.
Screw the balance of the game,
Screw those that never heard of these sort of hybrid.

Am I not allowed to be mad about these cheat cars ?
Are the hybrid cars are worth the fun you guys seems to moderately have using them?
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have a go with some of them but I think its not worth it considering the implications we could face at some point.
And I apologise if I look radical on the issue but you are either on the boat or you are off the boat.
There's no in between "just having fun offline" .

 

[Exorcet]

Am I not allowed to be mad about these cheat cars ?
Are the hybrid cars are worth the fun you guys seems to moderately have using them?

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what's happening. However I think the impact on the game isn't as big as it's being made out to be.

Drift and Time Trials were hit the hardest and there is no way to counter modded cars there. The cars aren't difficult to deal with online though, and what happens offline or just in A-Spec doesn't even matter.

I personally am more upset over how PD have designed the game. If we had more flexibility in creating rules (and there was plenty of reason to have that before anyone even thought about modded cars) all of this would be a minor issue. Even for time trials, PD could just set a PP limit with a hp limit.

 

[Adrenaline]

Found another non-restrict-able issue tonight while playing.

Karts... Minimum hp restriction is 98hp. Doesn't mean much for my 24hp Kart, trying to compete against someone with 3-4 times the power.

 

[Drevenger]

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what's happening. However I think the impact on the game isn't as big as it's being made out to be.

No offense but you mentioned earlier that you are not even playing GT5...

Drift and Time Trials were hit the hardest and there is no way to counter modded cars there. The cars aren't difficult to deal with online though, and what happens offline or just in A-Spec doesn't even matter.

The game wasn't designed to get every premium cars in an hour. It spoils the gameplay just like the SSR5 (or 7?) wall glitch, The cr. system was just right before, in my opinion.

I personally am more upset over how PD have designed the game. If we had more flexibility in creating rules (and there was plenty of reason to have that before anyone even thought about modded cars) all of this would be a minor issue. Even for time trials, PD could just set a PP limit with a hp limit.

I think they did an okay job, up untill now.
If PD release some cool DLC to play with, maybe things would be different. You can see the irony behind the impossible to modify C7 they gave us

 

[Exorcet]

No offense but you mentioned earlier that you are not even playing GT5...

I don't see why that matters. Just looking at things logically is enough to block these cars from rooms.

The game wasn't designed to get every premium cars in an hour. It spoils the gameplay just like the SSR5 (or 7?) wall glitch, The cr. system was just right before, in my opinion.

It doesn't spoil the gameplay, because you can't spoil it in single player. Anything you do in single player is right because it's your game. I would have loved to have a negative PP X1 on the day I bought the game, it would have saved me a lot of time. I did not buy GT5 for A-Spec or unlocking cars. I bought it to race, and as far as I'm concerned that only really happens online and it works best when you can pick any car you want.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what's happening. However I think the impact on the game isn't as big as it's being made out to be.

No offense but you mentioned earlier that you are not even playing GT5...

Haha, now your answers make sense. All your suggestions are from a guy who doesn't have to carry them out. Seems easy to you to jump in and out of the track, do HP/PP checks, jump back in and qualify...but it's not. Guys are coming into the room all the time, guys are leaving the track to go to the garage etc., all of which they should be able to do without the host having to worry about it or be constantly on the mic or keyboard telling everyone what to do. Try your suggestions in a busy Nurb room some night, not one with 3 or 4 guys and see what happens.

Last night I did a scan of the rooms open. First screen popped up had 100 lobbies in it. A grand total of 3 had PP restrictions, 3 or 4 had HP/Weight restrictions, the rest did not. Seems to me that real circuit racing is on the quick decline. 👎👎

 

[Exorcet]

Haha, now your answers make sense. All your suggestions are from a guy who doesn't have to carry them out.

Not so. I don't play GT5. But I have played. I stopped around November. Before then I've basically done all that I've said. The dual PP/HP checks are nothing new and they were required for some open lobby rooms.

You can go back to when the power limiter was introduced to find threads about dual restricting. People thought 50% power limiter was a huge advantage and looked to weight and hp to find power limited cars.

I never agreed that the power limiter was a big deal, but if you wanted to enforce certain tuning parts or cars to a certain spec, you would need to cross check rules.

Seems easy to you to jump in and out of the track, do HP/PP checks, jump back in and qualify...but it's not.

I don't seem to have a problem doing it. And on top of that I've only ever had to quit a race to kick someone once that I remember.

Guys are coming into the room all the time, guys are leaving the track to go to the garage etc., all of which they should be able to do without the host having to worry about it or be constantly on the mic or keyboard telling everyone what to do. Try your suggestions in a busy Nurb room some night, not one with 3 or 4 guys and see what happens.

Done without issue. I've hosted ALMS rooms, NASCAR rooms, Super GT rooms, road car rooms, road car rooms with very specific car selection. Just communicate with the room and 90% of problems go away.

Last night I did a scan of the rooms open. First screen popped up had 100 lobbies in it. A grand total of 3 had PP restrictions, 3 or 4 had HP/Weight restrictions, the rest did not. Seems to me that real circuit racing is on the quick decline. 👎👎

That would be GT5 online as it was for all of time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not so. I don't play GT5. But I have played. I stopped around November. Before then I've basically done all that I've said. The dual PP/HP checks are nothing new and they were required for some open lobby rooms.

Done without issue. I've hosted ALMS rooms, NASCAR rooms, Super GT rooms, road car rooms, road car rooms with very specific car selection. Just communicate with the room and 90% of problems go away.

That would be GT5 online as it was for all of time.

There were no hybrids in November. Back then, you could do your little tests, jump on the track, 3 more guys show up and as long as they're in the right cars, GT500's for example, and they got on track, they met the regs and no checking was necessary. Guys could leave the track and come back and so long as they got in, and were in a GT500 car, no problem. Not so anymore. You have to check everyone, right up until race time, and you have to leave the track to do so, negating your qualifying time.

You're dramatically oversimplifying it. This isn't November, and it's a whole different ballgame now.

 

[Exorcet]

There were no hybrids in November. Back then, you could do your little tests, jump on the track, 3 more guys show up and as long as they're in the right cars, GT500's for example, and they got on track, they met the regs and no checking was necessary. Guys could leave the track and come back and so long as they got in, and were in a GT500 car, no problem. Not so anymore. You have to check everyone, right up until race time, and you have to leave the track to do so, negating your qualifying time.

You're dramatically oversimplifying it. This isn't November, and it's a whole different ballgame now.

GT500, NASCAR, and roadcar are just as vulnerable to last minute switchers. And if you want to enforce no turbo kits, you can't use PP alone. Same goes for specific road cars. The host also needs to exit to kick people who just don't listen and blatantly drive what ever car they want until being kicked. I've done all this, not much has changed. And it really boils down to the half hearted implementation of room regulations.

 

[DiersZee1]

There were no hybrids in November. Back then, you could do your little tests, jump on the track, 3 more guys show up and as long as they're in the right cars, GT500's for example, and they got on track, they met the regs and no checking was necessary. Guys could leave the track and come back and so long as they got in, and were in a GT500 car, no problem. Not so anymore. You have to check everyone, right up until race time, and you have to leave the track to do so, negating your qualifying time.

You're dramatically oversimplifying it. This isn't November, and it's a whole different ballgame now.

Why do you try ...just fly's over the birds nest.