Civic 3000hp should be banned?

[Drevenger]

I'll repeat again.
As soon you install doubt in peoples mind its already over.
The difference is, its not worst than actually loosing to a cheat. Its blatant in most of the cases.

The point people don't understand
If those hybrid cars would be used only by a selected few elitist i'm not sure folks around here would be really pleased about it. The double edged sword of having a friendly community,

I hope you guys like Shuffle, tons of fun untill you get a muscle

 

[watermelon punch]

I think the main thing that is bothering me about the hybrids isn't the fact they exist, but the fact people are beginning to use them as an excuse for losing.

Interesting observation.
But it is kind of like objecting to their existence... I suppose this is an unavoidable consequence of the existence of cheats is that people become paranoid that everyone but them is using them!
(That's probably what adds to their exponential proliferation too)

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I hope you guys like Shuffle, tons of fun untill you get a muscle

ha! That's all I do in pub lobbies. I wonder if shuffling will become more popular.
Of course it's very popular already. Though I wouldn't mind having a few more shuffle rooms to choose from.
So... there might be a bright side. 💡

 

[TwistyDrift]

Big turn around for me hehe, after obtaining a 600hp Trueno I changed my mind, I do like hybrid cars now. It was always a dream to drive 500+hp AE86 (Sadly there's no mx5 yet -_-). In anyway these hybrid cars I do not use them as an excuse for losing. I only use it for drifting I love drifting lol so I would give anything for hybrid low hp cars to higher hp.

I only have one right now soon to have 2 but I wouldn't want to have too much simply because it's a time bomb I don't want to have it lingering in my garage. It would just 🤬 up my GT5 (Dunno how but some how it will).

 

[mike_gt3]

Here is the Lancer i was talking about in a 550PP room:

I run the Silver 458 Italia.

 

[Aquarelle]

Here is the Lancer i was talking about in a 550PP room:

I run the Silver 458 Italia.

Taking dirty lines and everything *shakes head*

If I was the NSX (Or maybe corvette? hard to tell from the brief glimpses) or S7 driver alarm bells would have been ringing from him suddenly flying off like he does

 

[playnthru]

Funny though, it didn't do him much good. He barley made 4th against normal 550pp cars

I can your point about messing up others races though.

EDIT: I can see ^

 

[Aquarelle]

Funny though, it didn't do him much good. He barley made 4th against normal 550pp cars

I can your point about messing up others races though.

He was focusing so much on acting that he was constantly making amature mistakes I don't know how well I'd do while essentially going against my instinct of foot to the floor and constantly trying to pretend I had less power than I really do.

 

[Drevenger]

Perfect time to start a hybrid tuning shop so you get the most of your cheat 👍

Funny though, it didn't do him much good. He barley made 4th against normal 550pp cars

The video MikeGT3 posted was one of the races the mitsubishi cheated. I suggest you read a couple page back if you wanna get the real story. I'm guessing the evo cheat did way better afterward from what I've read.

 

[playnthru]

I have read all pages of this thread and don't know if this is the same race he was referring to earlier or not. The way I read it.. I thought this was a different 550pp race? Either way I still find it funny how poorly the car was driven.

Regardless -if you are suggesting I open said tuning shop? No Thanks! You mis understand me.. I like these cars for fun that's it. Not racing!

Racing I prefer the tuning restricted option.👍

 

[CJSpencer77]

When the hybrids first started showing up i couldnt care less really, i could see that they were just a bit fun and maybe more usefull to the drifters rather than the racers.

But now that they are breaking the PP system they pose a real problem, i see Johnnypenso is posting his concerns a lot about these cars, and the reason he is concerned like myself is because he gets his GT5 kicks from league racing and to be honest running a league is enough work without this headache.

I dont believe anyone in the league i run in would cheat but it makes taking new guys on hard work.

If you keep these cars to "Hybrid" rooms or offline then thats fine.

But maybe a name and shame post for those who cheat in online race rooms with them may help.

Either way PD fixed the barrier money glitchs, im pretty sure they wont let this ride.

 

[Exorcet]

I'd think league racing would make it much easier to control the room since it's not a bunch of random people. Many leagues have tried to enforce rules that don't exist in GT. Switching from PP to HP is one common method. If the cars require lots of power to go over the PP peak, then they should be easy to spot. They'll fail hp regulations or they'll stand out in the first 5 seconds of a replay.

I'm not getting it obviously. You're in an open lobby. So you tell everyone to get on track...you do your checks. Everyone passes. Now you go out on the track to qualify. What about the 3, 4, 5 people that join after you go out on track, how do you police them?

I'd gladly love for that to happen often because then my rooms would be filled, but I'm besides maybe one or two bursts of people joining, I don't think you'll see this often enough for it to be a problem. If it does happen you can just run the check again and then do your laps.

Maybe throwing your hands in the air is the right answer. If PD/Sony noticed a sudden and dramatic drop in online participation maybe it'll wake them up.

I'd think that passing the info and concerns on to them would do just as well, but OK. You can throws your hands up, but you don't have to stop playing online.

 

[Outeke]

Either way PD fixed the barrier money glitchs, im pretty sure they wont let this ride.

Like this? Here

 

[killerjimbag]

Thank you Mike for the confirmation! I had the same thing happen yesterday. 👍

 

[ShaZZa]

Like this? Here

👍

 

[CJSpencer77]

Like this? Here

i meant getting underneath tracks and spinning round over the start line to get quick money.
but Credits over 20 million is new to me

 

[Johnnypenso]

Thanks Mike, confirms what I've been since day 1. They'll find a way to get the hybrids into the PP regs or maybe it just happened due to faults in the PP system, either way the cat is out of the bag and it's not going back in. I'm actually surprised that the troll in your video tried to hide his hybrid...I figured they'd be in just playing smash up derby. But already there's some effort to try and make a hacked car win and try and make it look legit. Obviously he's not that bright...

Already you've got:

BMW M5 '08 - 1,032 BHP 619pp
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07 - 3,349 BHP 556pp
Renault Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 - 728 BHP 579pp
Toyota 86 GT '12 - 578 BHP 557pp
Toyota Supra RZ '97 - 1,189 BHP 622pp w/1252hp

 

[playnthru]

Who said a Hybrid could not make a PP limit? Why are cats out of bags? I seem to recall this amount of complaining over Duping to. Oh it will ruin the game blah blah bah......


Let PD worry about their game..

 

[Johnnypenso]

Who said a Hybrid could not make a PP limit? Why are cats out of bags? I seem to recall this amount of complaining over Duping to. Oh it will ruin the game blah blah bah......

Let PD worry about their game..

Someone duping a car doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game, I could care less. Someone getting an extra 100 hp in a TT and winning does affect my enjoyment of the game. Someone having 1000 hp in an online race when the rest of the field has 500 does affect my enjoyment of the game.

It affects the integrity of the game itself. The entire game, all of motor racing in fact, is dependent on everyone running under the exact same paramters to ensure fair competition. If you can't see how this affects the entire game you are simply blinded by your own selfish desires. Try thinking outside the box.

 

[killerjimbag]

Someone duping a car doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game, I could care less. Someone getting an extra 100 hp in a TT and winning does affect my enjoyment of the game. Someone having 1000 hp in an online race when the rest of the field has 500 does affect my enjoyment of the game.

It affects the integrity of the game itself. The entire game, all of motor racing in fact, is dependent on everyone running under the exact same paramters to ensure fair competition. If you can't see how this affects the entire game you are simply blinded by your own selfish desires. Try thinking outside the box.

Johnny I agree 100% in what you are saying.
Unfortunately some people have no integrity.
Add my PSN and I will talk with a bunch of others I race with to form or own lobbies and rooms.
It is what it is.

 

[playnthru]

Try thinking outside your own box! And don't be so silly as to think you know my selfish desires! Because your assumptions are incorrect.

If PD feels the integrity of their game is in jeopardy..They will fix it. I'm sure they are aware what's going on. I'd bet five bucks you told them. I'm sure many others too. Great for whoever did I hope it gave them happiness. If playing the game is not fun 💡 don't play. But if you let other people ruin your fun. Then then problem is you. You are taking it to seriously, for only you can let others ruin your fun. That sir is within your power! (deep thoughts )

Take that race question. Simple solution, he's DQ'ed everyone moves up 1 grid position. Yeah it stinks that some got knocked around. But ruined C'mon. Stinky dirty cheater ok, but not ruined.

Oh start your own race series.. Yeah my friend and I did that a year ago, we have no issues with cheaters or hacks.

 

[nt1138]

To back up Playnthru, I run a race series of which Play is a part of. Most, if not all have these cars and not once has any of us used them to gain an unfair advantage in a race.

There are Hybrids that can get below the PP level we have set on our various series, but if one is used when you race with someone it's their integrity that is in question. Having said that I don't agree with using them in TTs, that would ruin the game. As far as the hybrids go, as long as they are kept as a bit of fun and out of anything that could ruin the TTs, then there is nothing for everyone to get their knickers twisted over.

 

[DiersZee1]

Johnny I agree 100% in what you are saying.
Unfortunately some people have no integrity.
Add my PSN and I will talk with a bunch of others I race with to form or own lobbies and rooms.
It is what it is.

If you guys are going to run a closed lobby, let me in!!!

Cant race on Monday, Wednesday or Saturday...private Lobby with good folk-ers at GTPLR on those dates.

 

[playnthru]

It's ok NT1138. The more they think they're right. The harder I laugh at them So angry they sound, like little bee's.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

BMW M5 '08 - 1,032 BHP 619pp
Renault Clio Renault Sport V6 24V '00 - 728 BHP 579pp
Toyota 86 GT '12 - 578 BHP 557pp
Toyota Supra RZ '97 - 1,189 BHP 622pp w/1252hp

Out of interest if someone entered a race with one of these cars and told you it was a realistic hybrid beforehand, would any of you let them race?

 

[nt1138]

It's ok NT1138. The more they think they're right. The harder I laugh at them So angry they sound, like little bee's.

No problem Play, as for the Hybrids. I would rather see realistic ones to be honest, rather than the 100,000 BHP monsters. They are fun for a bit but next to pointless, someone please put the Focus RS engine in the Ford Ka!

PD will do something about them if leader boards are ruined, if they are used properly then there shouldn't be a problem.

@Diers, who are you calling a folk-er?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Out of interest if someone entered a race with one of these cars and told you it was a realistic hybrid beforehand, would any of you let them race?

No.

 

[Exorcet]

Out of interest if someone entered a race with one of these cars and told you it was a realistic hybrid beforehand, would any of you let them race?

They don't seem to be past the PP peak, so they'd be even for whatever PP they're racing in. They might actually end up being slow.

As long as someone's not trying to gain an unfair advantage I don't see a reason to kick out the cars.

And weather they're realistic or not, however you want to define that, doesn't matter too much for allowing them in the race. It's more about whether they are past the PP peak or not.

 

[X R 8]

The more widespread these cars get the more this has become prominent, people with fragile egos are clinging to the hackers claim just like people do in shooters shouting "Aimbot" loud enough for my eardrums to eject in protest.

Having an aimbot in gta is fun.

 

[Johnnypenso]

They don't seem to be past the PP peak, so they'd be even for whatever PP they're racing in. They might actually end up being slow.

As long as someone's not trying to gain an unfair advantage I don't see a reason to kick out the cars.

And weather they're realistic or not, however you want to define that, doesn't matter too much for allowing them in the race. It's more about whether they are past the PP peak or not.

How many 622PP cars do you have in your garage with 1300HP?

This car has 3300+HP and made it into a 550PP Room. Does that qualify as an unfair advantage?

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[Exorcet]

How many 622PP cars do you have in your garage with 1300HP?

That's honestly a good question. 700 PP is around LMP level right? I don't quite remember what PP equates to what HP, I haven't played in a while.

If 1000 hp is a massive advantage at 600 PP, then the car will clearly fail HP reg checks.

This car has 3300+HP and made it into a 550PP Room. Does that qualify as an unfair advantage?

That one is over the PP peak. The cars listed specifically seemed to be under the peak. The Lancer is very easily spotted though because of the power.

And 3000 hp at 500 PP isn't strictly an unfair advantage anyway. It depends on the room. Using these cars is not automatically cheating.