Clueless, over The Hill Outlaws - OP Updated 06/10/14

[Pete05]

first time uploading something on to the forum so if its wrong please help me out lol. it should be the tune for the BMW 135i coupe 07

You have to open your tune in another page but other than that, it works fine.
It took me forever to work out how to upload a photo but I'm definitely technically challenged

 

[randyrockstiff]

i think its also downloadable bro

 

[Pete05]

i think its also downloadable bro

I wish I knew

 

[CyKosis1973]

Nice to see a few of you online last night, despite the sound issues (I hope they fix that soon). Hopefully will be on again tonight, but I'm not sure we'll be running fast tyre/fuel depletion again!! Not whilst I'm still using a controller, anyway...

{Cy}

 

[krenkme]

”HM Vol. 2”

Based on the Ram 1500 Laramie HEMI Quad Cab '04

550pp

789hp

1,977kg

52/48 weight distribution


GT Auto
Sports tires (Hard to Soft)
Height-Adjustable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Carbon Drive Shaft
Stage 3 Engine
Sport Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter :Sports
Intake Tuning
Supercharger
Stage 3 Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction



ABS=1
Everything Else Off


TUNE


Ride Height- F= 130 R=130
Spring Rate- F= 10.00 R= 10.00
Compression- F= 2 R= 6
Extension- F= 5 R= 3
Anti-roll Bars- F= 1 R= 1
Camber- F= 1.0 R= 1.0
Toe Angle- F= -0.10 R= 0.05
Brakes- F= 5 R= 6


*Please tune Trans in this order
Final- 5.000
Max Speed- 112mph
1st- 3.600
2nd- 2.700
3rd- 2.150
4th- 1.720
5th- 1.430
6th- 1.220
Final- 3.280
(Adjust for speed using final gear only)


Torque Split 40/60

LSD FRONT 18/30/5 REAR 12/15/15


Power Limiter= 96.0%

Ballast- 200 @ 50


Tuner Notes

Repurposed As a 550pp Time trial truck. Show those supercars who's boss!!!

​

 

[krenkme]

THERE COMING!!!

BE AFRAID!!!!!!

Because I don't know what I'm doing

 

[randyrockstiff]

”HM Vol. 2”

Based on the Ram 1500 Laramie HEMI Quad Cab '04

550pp

789hp

1,977kg

52/48 weight distribution


GT Auto
Sports tires (Hard to Soft)
Height-Adjustable Suspension
Racing Brakes
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
Carbon Drive Shaft
Stage 3 Engine
Sport Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter :Sports
Intake Tuning
Supercharger
Stage 3 Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction



ABS=1
Everything Else Off


TUNE


Ride Height- F= 130 R=130
Spring Rate- F= 10.00 R= 10.00
Compression- F= 2 R= 6
Extension- F= 5 R= 3
Anti-roll Bars- F= 1 R= 1
Camber- F= 1.0 R= 1.0
Toe Angle- F= -0.10 R= 0.05
Brakes- F= 5 R= 6


*Please tune Trans in this order
Final- 5.000
Max Speed- 112mph
1st- 3.600
2nd- 2.700
3rd- 2.150
4th- 1.720
5th- 1.430
6th- 1.220
Final- 3.280
(Adjust for speed using final gear only)


Torque Split 40/60

LSD FRONT 18/30/5 REAR 12/15/15


Power Limiter= 96.0%

Ballast- 200 @ 50


Tuner Notes

Repurposed As a 550pp Time trial truck. Show those supercars who's boss!!!

​

this tune is exceptional, absolute great fun too drive

 

[krenkme]

this tune is exceptional, absolute great fun too drive

Thanks. So a semi retired tuner still can make a FUN tune? Great to hear

 

[randyrockstiff]

Thanks. So a semi retired tuner still can make a FUN tune? Great to hear

jeez semi retired, yeah its actually amazing. im not usually one for trucks. when i seen you posted it up i thought stuff it and gave it a shot n boy do i not regret it. thanks bro

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

THERE COMING!!!

BE AFRAID!!!!!!

Because I don't know what I'm doing

I'm on to you krenkme!!!! You keep saying that you are still learning how to tune or that you do not know what you are doing and yet you keep satisfying people. Heavy Metal seems to be a hit, and you do not disappoint in FITT shootouts , you most know something.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Paul Cain BMW 3002 TTii Replica

Tuned to replicate Paul Cain BMW 3002 TTii

Comfort Soft to Sport Medium​

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CAR : BMW 2002 Turbo '73
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Medium

Specs - BMW 330i 2001 3.0i M54B30 DUAL VANOS Engine with Twin KKK Turbo
Horsepower: 372 HP at 6700 RPM
Torque : 320.8 ft-lb at 5500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 97.1%
Weight: 1220 kg ( empty fuel + fluids ) or 1243kg ( full tank )
Ballast : 140 kg or 163kg
Ballast Position : -4 ( 50.2% / 49.8% reflected in ballast position )
OPTIONAL Ballast Position : 2 ( for distribution without driver and empty tank )
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50 as the real car spec with driver and full tank ( 50.2% / 49.8% )
OPTIONAL Weight Distribution : 49/51 real car spec without driver and empty tank ( About 0.5% weight shifted rearward )
Performance Points: 483

Specs - BMW 330i 2001 3.0i M54B30 DUAL VANOS Engine with Twin KKK Turbo 450PP Version
Horsepower: 290 HP at 6000 RPM
Torque : 272.7 ft-lb at 5000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 96.4%
Weight: 1220 kg ( empty fuel ) or 1243kg ( full tank )
Ballast : 140 kg or 163kg
Ballast Position : -4 ( 50.2% / 49.8% reflected in ballast position )
OPTIONAL Ballast Position : 2 ( for distribution without driver and empty tank )
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50 as the real car spec with driver and full tank ( 50.2% / 49.8% )
OPTIONAL Weight Distribution : 49/51 real car spec without driver and empty tank ( About 0.5% weight shifted rearward )
Performance Points: 450



GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( INSTALLED ) -MANDATORY- the real car has heavily modified chassis and roll cage.
Wheels : +2 Inch UP BBS-RS in Silver Metallic / Silver Chrome
Car Paint : Nurburgring Blue Metallic from Honda S2000 Type V

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Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter Sports
Intake Tuning
High RPM Range Turbo Kit ( REMOVE for 450PP Version )
Fully Customizable Suspension
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch
Carbon Drive Shaft
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission




Suspension - JEFF IRELAND Tuned Coilover with EIBACH Springs/Bilstein Damper and Custom Track Alignment
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 107 127 ( visually replicate the real car stance/height )
Spring Rate: 7.14 5.00
Dampers (Compression): 4 7
Dampers (Extension): 3 7
Anti-Roll Bars: 5 2
Camber Angle: 2.0 1.0
Toe Angle: -0.09 0.18


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - BMW E30 M3 265 GETRAG 5 Speed + BMW E34 M5 Final Drive
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 300kmh / 186mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.380
2nd 2.200
3rd 1.400
4th 1.000
5th 0.810
Set Final :3.710

Alternate Method :
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final To 4.530
Set Auto Max Speed at 220 kmh / 137mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.380
2nd 2.200
3rd 1.400
4th 1.000
5th 0.810
Set Final :3.710

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LSD - BMW E34 M5 Quaife Torque Sensing 1.5 Way LSD

Initial Torque : 17
Acceleration Sensitivity: 24
Braking Sensitivity: 13


Brake Balance:
6/8 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/7, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/9 brake balance as starting point.

Notes :

This is one of the most challenging replica I ever made, even at the moment of posting, I'm still not satisfied with the handling

The car is based on Paul Cain built BMW 3002 TTii, a 2002 Turbo undergoing modern transformation.

First, the engine was swapped for bigger size with more power, more efficient, lighter and more advanced in technology. A Dual VANOS 6 Cylinder M54B30 engine from BMW 330i 2001 model. To make more power, yes, Mr Paul Cain craved for more power to humiliate the poor folks who look down on the old banger at the lights. He added 2 KKK turbocharger, a TT package that runs on mild boost of 6-8 Psi, but capable of producing 335HP at the wheel - that translate to 370+HP at the crank with 10% loss on the driveline He reckons that with lower compression, upgraded pistons, the M54 engine will spit out close to 485HP, possibly at the crank with 12 Psi boost

To accommodate that much power, the chassis, driveline and suspension needs some serious make over. The BMW received extensive weigh saving, chassis strengthening, custom wheel hubs, custom suspension linkages, custom sub frames, and special custom roll cage for safety and added rigidity. The real car wet weight ( no driver + full fluid ) at 2740lb / 1243kg. The BMW 3002 TTii has 8 US gallons fuel tank positioned at the rear axle ( half of original tank ), I have calculated weight at 1220kg without fuel and fluids. I also have included a variety of ballast + position. The car with driver and full fluids ( fuel and oil ) has 50.2% / 49.8% distribution, this is reflected in the ballast position of -4. Without driver, 1220kg, the distribution should shift rear ward at about 0.5%, reflected in ballast position of 2 ( 49/51 ).

The suspension is custom built by Jeff Ireland, employing Eibach Race Springs and custom valved Bilstein Damper all around. The spring rate is unknown, so I have to give my personal touch, with handling aimed at good balance, the real car is said to have almost no understeer / neutral turn in at low to medium speed. Ride height has also been visually replicated, with lower front to achieve level appearance like the real car.
I have tuned the damper and ARB to maintain balance on low speed, while medium speed needs good throttle control, while the real car has good handling even at higher speed. This is hard to achieve consistently, as the BMW 2002 Turbo in GT6 has stock skinny tires, while the real car has much wider 17" 7.5" wide front and 8.5" rear tires ( Michelin Pilot Sport ). Nevertheless, the replica should handle well on comfort soft with good throttle control

The transmission is another part that needs serious attention, a 5 speed Getrag 265 from E30 BMW M3 is used, with final drive at 3.710 taken from E34 BMW M5. The gearing is perfectly matched to the car engine, giving good acceleration and decent top speed. I have included 2 methods to achieve the ratio, both gives the same result, feel free to try them both and pick one that you prefer.

The LSD is torque sensing Quaife 1.5 way with 25% lock on preload taken from E34 BMW M5. The LSD is tuned to give stability on low to medium speed.

I have also provided a 450PP power figure spec, simply remove the high rpm turbo kit and adjust power limiter accordingly. I also highly recommend to fit sports hard or sports medium if you have hard time with throttle control.

The BMW 3002 TTii was tuned and tested at Tsukuba, Silverstone GP, Red Bull Ring, and SSR7 At Silverstone GP, with Comfort Soft tires, stock 4 speed, 370+HP, 1220kg, -4 ballast, it managed 2:30s A good time for such an old vintage car. I have included the replay for your enjoyment and reference, witness how smooth the BMW 3002 TTii carving the track , something about old vintage look graciously eating up corners that never gets old.

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[Pete05]

Paul Cain BMW 3002 TTii Replica

Tuned to replicate Paul Cain BMW 3002 TTii

Comfort Soft to Sport Medium​

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CAR : BMW 2002 Turbo '73
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Medium

Specs - BMW 330i 2001 3.0i M54B30 DUAL VANOS Engine with Twin KKK Turbo
Horsepower: 372 HP at 6700 RPM
Torque : 320.8 ft-lb at 5500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 97.1%
Weight: 1220 kg ( empty fuel + fluids ) or 1243kg ( full tank )
Ballast : 140 kg or 163kg
Ballast Position : -4 ( 50.2% / 49.8% reflected in ballast position )
OPTIONAL Ballast Position : 2 ( for distribution without driver and empty tank )
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50 as the real car spec with driver and full tank ( 50.2% / 49.8% )
OPTIONAL Weight Distribution : 49/51 real car spec without driver and empty tank ( About 0.5% weight shifted rearward )
Performance Points: 483

Specs - BMW 330i 2001 3.0i M54B30 DUAL VANOS Engine with Twin KKK Turbo 450PP Version
Horsepower: 290 HP at 6000 RPM
Torque : 272.7 ft-lb at 5000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 96.4%
Weight: 1220 kg ( empty fuel ) or 1243kg ( full tank )
Ballast : 140 kg or 163kg
Ballast Position : -4 ( 50.2% / 49.8% reflected in ballast position )
OPTIONAL Ballast Position : 2 ( for distribution without driver and empty tank )
Weight Distribution : 50 / 50 as the real car spec with driver and full tank ( 50.2% / 49.8% )
OPTIONAL Weight Distribution : 49/51 real car spec without driver and empty tank ( About 0.5% weight shifted rearward )
Performance Points: 450



GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( INSTALLED ) -MANDATORY- the real car has heavily modified chassis and roll cage.
Wheels : +2 Inch UP BBS-RS in Silver Metallic / Silver Chrome
Car Paint : Nurburgring Blue Metallic from Honda S2000 Type V

View attachment 228834​

Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter Sports
Intake Tuning
High RPM Range Turbo Kit ( REMOVE for 450PP Version )
Fully Customizable Suspension
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch
Carbon Drive Shaft
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission




Suspension - JEFF IRELAND Tuned Coilover with EIBACH Springs/Bilstein Damper and Custom Track Alignment
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 107 127 ( visually replicate the real car stance/height )
Spring Rate: 7.14 5.00
Dampers (Compression): 4 7
Dampers (Extension): 3 7
Anti-Roll Bars: 5 2
Camber Angle: 2.0 1.0
Toe Angle: -0.09 0.18


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - BMW E30 M3 265 GETRAG 5 Speed + BMW E34 M5 Final Drive
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 300kmh / 186mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.380
2nd 2.200
3rd 1.400
4th 1.000
5th 0.810
Set Final :3.710

Alternate Method :
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Final To 4.530
Set Auto Max Speed at 220 kmh / 137mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.380
2nd 2.200
3rd 1.400
4th 1.000
5th 0.810
Set Final :3.710

View attachment 228849
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LSD - BMW E34 M5 Quaife Torque Sensing 1.5 Way LSD

Initial Torque : 17
Acceleration Sensitivity: 24
Braking Sensitivity: 13


Brake Balance:
6/8 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/7, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/9 brake balance as starting point.

Notes :

This is one of the most challenging replica I ever made, even at the moment of posting, I'm still not satisfied with the handling

The car is based on Paul Cain built BMW 3002 TTii, a 2002 Turbo undergoing modern transformation.

First, the engine was swapped for bigger size with more power, more efficient, lighter and more advanced in technology. A Dual VANOS 6 Cylinder M54B30 engine from BMW 330i 2001 model. To make more power, yes, Mr Paul Cain craved for more power to humiliate the poor folks who look down on the old banger at the lights. He added 2 KKK turbocharger, a TT package that runs on mild boost of 6-8 Psi, but capable of producing 335HP at the wheel - that translate to 370+HP at the crank with 10% loss on the driveline He reckons that with lower compression, upgraded pistons, the M54 engine will spit out close to 485HP, possibly at the crank with 12 Psi boost

To accommodate that much power, the chassis, driveline and suspension needs some serious make over. The BMW received extensive weigh saving, chassis strengthening, custom wheel hubs, custom suspension linkages, custom sub frames, and special custom roll cage for safety and added rigidity. The real car wet weight ( no driver + full fluid ) at 2740lb / 1243kg. The BMW 3002 TTii has 8 US gallons fuel tank positioned at the rear axle ( half of original tank ), I have calculated weight at 1220kg without fuel and fluids. I also have included a variety of ballast + position. The car with driver and full fluids ( fuel and oil ) has 50.2% / 49.8% distribution, this is reflected in the ballast position of -4. Without driver, 1220kg, the distribution should shift rear ward at about 0.5%, reflected in ballast position of 2 ( 49/51 ).

The suspension is custom built by Jeff Ireland, employing Eibach Race Springs and custom valved Bilstein Damper all around. The spring rate is unknown, so I have to give my personal touch, with handling aimed at good balance, the real car is said to have almost no understeer / neutral turn in at low to medium speed. Ride height has also been visually replicated, with lower front to achieve level appearance like the real car.
I have tuned the damper and ARB to maintain balance on low speed, while medium speed needs good throttle control, while the real car has good handling even at higher speed. This is hard to achieve consistently, as the BMW 2002 Turbo in GT6 has stock skinny tires, while the real car has much wider 17" 7.5" wide front and 8.5" rear tires ( Michelin Pilot Sport ). Nevertheless, the replica should handle well on comfort soft with good throttle control

The transmission is another part that needs serious attention, a 5 speed Getrag 265 from E30 BMW M3 is used, with final drive at 3.710 taken from E34 BMW M5. The gearing is perfectly matched to the car engine, giving good acceleration and decent top speed. I have included 2 methods to achieve the ratio, both gives the same result, feel free to try them both and pick one that you prefer.

The LSD is torque sensing Quaife 1.5 way with 25% lock on preload taken from E34 BMW M5. The LSD is tuned to give stability on low to medium speed.

I have also provided a 450PP power figure spec, simply remove the high rpm turbo kit and adjust power limiter accordingly. I also highly recommend to fit sports hard or sports medium if you have hard time with throttle control.

The BMW 3002 TTii was tuned and tested at Tsukuba, Silverstone GP, Red Bull Ring, and SSR7 At Silverstone GP, with Comfort Soft tires, stock 4 speed, 370+HP, 1220kg, -4 ballast, it managed 2:30s A good time for such an old vintage car. I have included the replay for your enjoyment and reference, witness how smooth the BMW 3002 TTii carving the track , something about old vintage look graciously eating up corners that never gets old.

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I'm looking forward to taking this to the Nordschleife & smiling for the whole lap.
You mention the difference in wheel width & I'm wondering if it's advisable to fit the Sports Hard tyres to compensate for the extra width of the real vehicle?
I really love a well done retro-tech car so congrats on this

I tried to watch the testing replay but I can't get it to work

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I'm looking forward to taking this to the Nordschleife & smiling for the whole lap.
You mention the difference in wheel width & I'm wondering if it's advisable to fit the Sports Hard tyres to compensate for the extra width of the real vehicle?
I really love a well done retro-tech car so congrats on this

I tried to watch the testing replay but I can't get it to work

Give comfort soft a few laps, you will need extra care on 1st to 3rd gear After that, try SH tire, it should grip much better, and the 450PP version would have even better traction with lower torque.

To watch the replay, you need to download the attachment, it's in zip file format, unzip the folder to USB Disk, put the folder inside X:\PS3\SaveData\, the folder directory should be like this : x:\PS3\Savedata\BCJS37016-RPLY059. Put this on your PS3, go to game - save data utility-USB disk, go to GT6 folder, you will see the RPLY059 displayed, copy this to PS3. Now launch GT6, go to gallery and pick load, it will be listed there and you can play it.

 

[Pete05]

Give comfort soft a few laps, you will need extra care on 1st to 3rd gear After that, try SH tire, it should grip much better, and the 450PP version would have even better traction with lower torque.

To watch the replay, you need to download the attachment, it's in zip file format, unzip the folder to USB Disk, put the folder inside X:\PS3\SaveData\, the folder directory should be like this : x:\PS3\Savedata\BCJS37016-RPLY059. Put this on your PS3, go to game - save data utility-USB disk, go to GT6 folder, you will see the RPLY059 displayed, copy this to PS3. Now launch GT6, go to gallery and pick load, it will be listed there and you can play it.

I'll be going for the full house 483pp version and hanging on tight
Unfortunately, you lost me after "To watch the replay,...."
I'm a technical dummy & I've only got an iPhone so none of the PC/laptop jargon made any sense

 

[krenkme]

I'm on to you krenkme!!!! You keep saying that you are still learning how to tune or that you do not know what you are doing and yet you keep satisfying people. Heavy Metal seems to be a hit, and you do not disappoint in FITT shootouts , you most know something.

I know that I enjoy tuning FUN cars to drive....and that cake is yummy

But that's about it

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

FORD Focus ST 2013 Replica

Tuned to replicate Focus ST 2013

Comfort Medium​

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CAR : Ford Focus ST '13
Tire : Comfort Medium

Specs
Horsepower: 252 HP at 5300 RPM
Torque : 267.8 ft-lb at 2500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 92.5%
Weight: 1462 kg
Ballast : 191 kg
Ballast Position : -50
Weight Distribution : 60 / 40 as the real car spec when tested.
Performance Points: 431


GT AUTO
NO Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED )
Wheels : Stock
Car Paint : White or Orange or Blue

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Tuning Parts Installed :
Intake Tuning
Fully Customizable Suspension
Adjustable LSD
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Weight Reduction Stage 2


Suspension - Ford Factory ST Tuned Springs Ratio + Damper with
ST Tuned Street/Track Alignment Range
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 120 120
Spring Rate: 4.77 5.11
Dampers (Compression): 5 4
Dampers (Extension): 6 8
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 3
Camber Angle: 1.3 2.0 ( Front camber : -1.30 +- 0.30, Rear Camber : -2.00+-0.00 )
Toe Angle: 0.10 0.16 ( Front Toe In : 0.10 +- 0.15, Rear Toe In : 0.16 +- 0.56 )

OPTIONAL Factory Street Alignment :
Front
Camber ( Driver Side ) : -0.83 +- 0.75
Camber ( Passenger Side ) : -0.93 +- 0.75
Total Toe In : 0.20 +- 0.20

Rear
Camber : -1.35 +- 0.75
Total Toe In : 0.38 +- 0.20


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Corrected Stock GETRAG MMT6 Dual Output Shaft Ratio with 4.063 Final
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 280kmh / 174mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.231
2nd 1.952
3rd 1.321
4th 1.029
5th 0.821 - Actual Ratio : 1.129 with 2nd final drive 2.955
6th 0.685 - Actual Ratio : 0.943 with 2nd final drive 2.955
Set Final :4.063

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LSD - Traction Control Based Front Brake and Torque Vectoring Electronic LSD

Initial Torque : 15
Acceleration Sensitivity: 23
Braking Sensitivity: 5

OPTIONAL 2014 LSD ( Low Lock ) :
Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 15
Braking Sensitivity: 5


Brake Balance:
7/10 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/8, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/10 brake balance as starting point.

Notes :

The Ford Focus ST 2013 is one of the car in GT6 that is a stat disaster , wrong weight distribution, torque figure, spring rate too high and broken gearing.

For this replica, I made a corrected version, not really perfect, but as close as possible replicating the real car.

The Ford Focus ST 2013 has 270lb-ft torque, while in GT6 stock value is too low, I have installed intake tuning to get closer at 267.8ft-lb. Power limiter used to get 252HP stock value. Now, onto the weight distribution, the real car has 60/40 distribution, GT6 once again wrong, so I installed weight reduction stage 2 and put some ballast at -50 to get the proper distribution. Curb weight officially at 3223lbs / 1462kg.

For suspension, the stock spring rate is too high in GT6, and the real life stock value can't be reached ( not low enough on GT6 ). I chose to use the spring ratio instead and set the lowest possible spring rate on GT6.
The real car has 30N/mm or 171lb/in spring rate at the front and 32N/mm or 183lb/in spring rate at the rear, based on Ford Official documentation, but when tested by well respected suspension company, the actual rates are =

Front : 29N/mm or 166lb/in
Rear : 31N/mm or 177lb/in

Slightly lower than official stats.

For GT6, I used 4.77kg/mm or 267lb/in spring rate at the front and 5.11kg/mm or 286lb/in spring rate at the rear. This retains stock spring rate ratio, and I have tuned the damper and ARB to maintain balance similar to real life review, nimble with surgical precision while still can bite back on the limit.

I have also used Ford factory alignment ( camber and toe ), the alignment value used is recommended value by ST experts, while for daily driving factory alignment range are as below ( OPTIONAL ) :

Front
Camber ( Driver Side ) : -0.83 +- 0.75
Camber ( Passenger Side ) : -0.93 +- 0.75
Total Toe In : 0.20 +- 0.20

Rear
Camber : -1.35 +- 0.75
Total Toe In : 0.38 +- 0.20

The overall range of values are similar, but the one used on this replica offers better performance at the track.

Gearbox is another one that needs fixing, the real car uses Getrag MMT6 with dual output shaft which result in 2 different final drive, 4.063 final drive for the 1st to 4th gear, while 5th and 6th uses 2.955.
GT6 incorrectly set the 5th and 6th, which result on overly long gearing and useless. I have set the 5th and 6th with calculated effective ratio when 4.063 is used instead, this will replicate real life vehicle speed at max engine speed on all gears from 1st to 6th.

For LSD, I have setup in conjunction with brake balance to achieve similar effect to real life electronic based LSD and torque vectoring as well as cornering understeer control. I have use low preload and medium lock rate to give some locking action which reduce inside wheel spin and give some stability on mid corner, while the rear bias brake balance will help to give illusion of brake based system at the rear axle.

The real Focus ST uses several electronic system in synergy to maintain handling balance under heavy cornering, there's no mechanical parts that acts like limited slip differential. First is the brake based LSD, which relies on traction control system to maintain traction by applying brake pressure on each front wheel to reduce understeer. The Enhanced Torque Vectoring Control and Cornering Understeer Control work hand in hand on both front and rear axle to maintain balance, encourage oversteer, apply inside and outside brake pressure according situation. With trail braking, the Focus ST can be easily shifted to oversteer on entry, up to certain degree. When the car is really pushed hard at track pace, the brake based system is proven not really reliable, often resulting in overheated brake after several hot laps. When this happens, heavy understeer will slowly creep in which will show the Focus ST true colors.

Here is a quote from Randy Pobst on his experience at hot lapping the Focus ST at Laguna Seca MotorTrend Best Driver's Car 2013 :

The hot-shoe's take: "It was enjoyable while it was drifting, but once something changed when everything got good and heated up, it became just an understeerer and it lost that terrific entry rotation that it had originally."

Several tests review also shown that after several laps, the Focus ST tend to lose it's charm and starts to understeer as the braking performance reduced due to heat build up in the system.

I mainly tested the car at Tsukuba, Big Willow and Laguna Seca. At Laguna Seca, it can easily lap in 1:48s on comfort medium. The Best Driver's Car lap record is 1:49.30, driven by Pro Driver Randy Pobst ( MotorTrend )



Below I also provided a picture with detailed gearing and speed stat for the Getrag MMT6 on the Focus ST 2013, and a replay of the run at Laguna Seca for comparison to Randy Pobst lap

Watch it, to find out the similarity and difference in cornering as well as speed at braking points. Drive the Focus ST replica at Big Willow and Laguna Seca and hopefully you'll find pleasure like I do.



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UPDATE : Added optional LSD with low lock to better reflect non mechanical LSD of the real car.

 

[steve nfs]

Buddies, l just wanted to know whether my Renault Clio RS '11 with 288hp, 1054kg, +"1 rim, no wing, running on sport hard tires using DS3 with no drivers aids (ABS 0, SRF OFF) on Brand Hatch GP 1:38.224 . Is it eligible enough? (Newly learned this track) I know if using steering with all aids off is at least fast another second or more. Sorry cos my area here online is not stable until next few months....

 

[CyKosis1973]

All right, guys, I'm hanging on my chin-strap and am a little behind the curve here. I'll try to get things updated later today. It's been a long couple of weeks and I've got too many irons in the fire

Does anyone fancy a spot of 450PP/CS/FWD hoonery around London tomorrow? I've got a car to build for MCH's event and could do with someone to lean on in the corners

{Cy}

Buddies, l just wanted to know whether my Renault Clio RS '11 with 288hp, 1054kg, +"1 rim, no wing, running on sport hard tires using DS3 with no drivers aids (ABS 0, SRF OFF) on Brand Hatch GP 1:38.224 . Is it eligible enough? (Newly learned this track) I know if using steering with all aids off is at least fast another second or more. Sorry cos my area here online is not stable until next few months....

Sounds about right, what PP is the car?

 

[steve nfs]

470PP, just wanted to find an European FWD car with less than 300hp other than Scirocco to match it only... Is it very slow? Sorry, cos all my cars tune without any assist. If on ABS 1, with my tunes should be easy to brake at least... Lol!

 

[CyKosis1973]

470PP, just wanted to find an European FWD car with less than 300hp other than Scirocco to match it only... Is it very slow? Sorry, cos all my cars tune without any assist. If on ABS 1, with my tunes should be easy to brake at least... Lol!

That's about right. The BTCC cars we've built, limited to 300-315bhp, 1300-1400kg, running on Sport Soft tyres and utilising full downforce are running around the 1:36 mark. So factoring in power, weight and downforce differences, a 1:38 is good 👍

{Cy}

 

[randyrockstiff]

That's about right. The BTCC cars we've built, limited to 300-315bhp, 1300-1400kg, running on Sport Soft tyres and utilising full downforce are running around the 1:36 mark. So factoring in power, weight and downforce differences, a 1:38 is good 👍

{Cy}

didnt even think of the car lol, good choice

 

[steve nfs]

Thanks Cy & Randy, Now I can proceed my tune from this car lower than 290hp with zero drivers aids to achieve 1:37.*** with DS3 only to satisfy... Lol (I am just a normal driver, not expect to go more fast)

 

[CyKosis1973]

didnt even think of the car lol, good choice

Lapping at Brands GP and being a BTCC fan is what led me to try and replicate them. They're hugely entertaining to drive there, just as I'd hoped. I'd part with money and/or limbs for a few laps around there with someone like Jason Plato 👍

{Cy}

 

[Pete05]

Lapping at Brands GP and being a BTCC fan is what led me to try and replicate them. They're hugely entertaining to drive there, just as I'd hoped. I'd part with money and/or limbs for a few laps around there with someone like Jason Plato 👍

{Cy}

Cy, speaking from experience, going for laps with a top flight driver in a proper car is the most fun you can have sitting in a passenger seat EVER.

I tried Freelance journalism around 1991, right towards the end of the Group A era. That gave me the chance to ride as passenger for what was usually, an out, flying & in lap. I went for a ride with some of the best drivers in Australia too. The ride I had with Colin Bond in his Caltex Sierra sticks out for the sheer rush of that turbo power they were known for. 260km/h up the straight towards a blind crest really gets your attention.

If you ever get the chance, say yes please as fast as you can. You won't regret it.

Change of underwear not supplied

 

[steve nfs]

Me too , when at younger age as an amatuer driver occasionally race at Sepang F1 Circuit in Malaysia with my non ABS Civic EG & also Lancer...Lol

 

[randyrockstiff]

https://m.facebook.com/cluelessoverthehilloutlaws ...... the page is still under construction.

 

[steve nfs]

I have done the tunes to achieve 1:37.830 with no aids now. (470PP, 289hp,1054kg & sport hard tires/no wing) but still wanted it to be easy to achieve 1:37.**...Hope can be done with the DS3!

Buddies, l just wanted to know whether my Renault Clio RS '11 with 288hp, 1054kg, +"1 rim, no wing, running on sport hard tires using DS3 with no drivers aids (ABS 0, SRF OFF) on Brand Hatch GP 1:38.224 . Is it eligible enough? (Newly learned this track) I know if using steering with all aids off is at least fast another second or more. Sorry cos my area here online is not stable until next few months....

 

[randyrockstiff]

https://m.facebook.com/cluelessoverthehilloutlaws ...... the page is still under construction.

if anyone can could they become a member so i can make them a mod, be helpful as its not letting me add profile pics and such.

 

[randyrockstiff]

Suzuki Alto works sport limited '97

400pp
138bhp

No oil change.

PARTS INSTALLED
Full custom suspension
Racing brakes
Full custom transmission
Full custom LSD
Triple plate clutch
Carbon prop shaft
Torque center differential
Comfort soft Tyres
Sports ECU
Intake tuning
High rpm Turbo
Stage 3 engine
Racing exhaust

90kg @ 0%

THE TUNE

suspension

RH. 94/94
SR. 4.94/4.36
DC. 4/4
DE. 2/1
ARB. 2/3
CAM. 0.5/0.2
TOE. -0.19/0.28
BRAKES. 5/5

transmission

Reset to default
Final to 3.000
Max speed to 236
Set ratios
1. 3.495
2. 2.057
3. 1.518
4. 1.165
5. 0.929

Final to. 3.970

Change final to suit, or if you have a better method of doing the transmission then add that.

LSD
Front 8/24/10. Rear 17/42/19

torque split
32/68

This car is very good at handling on both the wheel and ds3.

Enjoy. RR

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

FORD Focus ST 2013 450PP
Fortune Auto Focus "Green Meanie Fiktion"
Special Build of Focus ST '13 450PP
Comfort Soft to Sports Medium​

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CAR : Ford Focus ST '13
Tire : Comfort Soft to Sports Medium

Specs
Horsepower: 272 HP at 5500 RPM
Torque : 267.8 ft-lb at 2500 RPM
Power Limiter at : 99.8%
Weight: 1280 kg
Ballast : 82 kg
Ballast Position : 50
Weight Distribution : 51 / 49 - fictional spec
Performance Points: 450


GT AUTO
No Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED ) - Optional
Wheels : Standard Size - RAYS TE37V in GT6 Polarized 034
Car Paint : GT6 Polarized 034 ( Mean Green ) or Taiga Metallic from BMW 2002 Turbo

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Tuning Parts Installed :
Intake Tuning
Fully Customizable Suspension
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood ( Body Color )
Window Weight Reduction



Suspension - Fortune Auto Dreadnought Pro Gen 5 Series 3 Way Racing Coilover Kit - Custom AutoX/Gymkhana/Sprint Spring Rate
Front 1" Drop and Rear 1.4" Drop
Optimum Alignment Setup
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 94 84
Spring Rate: 6.00 12.00
Dampers (Compression): 4 3
Dampers (Extension): 3 6
Anti-Roll Bars: 4 3 ( Optional Rear ARB at 4 for better response/tighter on quick direction changes/high speed curve )
Camber Angle: 1.6 2.0 ( Front camber : -1.30 +- 0.30, Rear Camber : -2.00+-0.00 )
Toe Angle: 0.10 0.20 ( Front Toe In : 0.10 +- 0.15, Rear Toe In : 0.16 +- 0.56 )


DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - Corrected Stock GETRAG MMT6 Dual Output Shaft Ratio with Custom Final
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 280kmh / 174mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.231
2nd 1.952
3rd 1.321
4th 1.029
5th 0.821 - Actual Ratio : 1.129 with 2nd final drive 2.955
6th 0.685 - Actual Ratio : 0.943 with 2nd final drive 2.955
Set Final : 4.600 ( for low/medium speed track, use stock 4.063 for higher speed track or your own preferred ratio, adjust accordingly )


LSD - Traction Control Based Front Brake and Torque Vectoring Electronic LSD

Initial Torque : 5
Acceleration Sensitivity: 15
Braking Sensitivity: 5


OPTIONAL 2013 Model Year Replica LSD :
Initial Torque : 15
Acceleration Sensitivity: 23
Braking Sensitivity: 5

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Brake Balance:
7/10 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 5/8, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance.

Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/10 brake balance as starting point.

Notes :

The "Green Meanie Fiktion" is a special build at 450PP. The Focus ST received some fictional tuning, with better weight distribution at closer to 50/50, lighter weight at less than 1300kg, with power slightly bumped at 272HP to stay in the 450PP limit.

Suspension is based on Fortune Auto Dreadnought Pro Gen 5 Series Racing 3 Way Coilover Kit. The Coilover is strictly custom built according to the individual car/needs.

The rear suspension has less motion ratio than the front, so stock spring rate that came from factory in real life has slightly higher spring rate at the rear. The stock springs are mild setup for the street, while for this 450PP build, out of this world is the perfect word .

For this build a spring rate with AutoX/Sprint/Gymkhana in mind has been used. The front and rear springs are set by taking into account the rear motion ratio, rear spring rate has been increased to get more rear suspension frequency, thus increasing rotation. The recommended drop for street/track is about 1 inch at the front and 1.4 inch at the rear ( default drop for Fortune Auto 500 Series Kit for Focus ST )

Gearing still uses the corrected version from the replica, but the final has been tweaked to get better acceleration and less top speed, best suited for medium or low speed tracks. LSD also uses setup from 2014 Focus ST replica, with low lock, the traction might not be optimal on lower speed, but this gives less push under full throttle. For those who have better throttle control, use the 2013 Replica LSD listed above as optional, this will give much better response and traction at the expense of requiring better throttle modulation on corner exits.

The 450PP Green Meanie Fiktion has been tuned and tested at Nordschleife, Big Willow, Tsukuba, Ascari and Autumn Ring. At Autumn Ring, it can easily lap in 1:31s range on CS tire and stock 4.063 final.



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