Codemasters - Grid 2 - 2013

[boomee]

Some people actual preorder because sometimes money is an issue or you just wanna pay for a game early also I have never had a problem the day I come to pick up my preorder game to change it to another game I wanted if I decided the game might suck. It might be different in England but to each there own if you don't wanna preorder then.... don't. that youtube vid that guy is sounds like he got his butt hurt granted we should be more patient it just a game but this is a lame rant.

 

[Downhill Dino]

What if it does sucks badly this time. Still you don't play it even demo version. So your entire decision about buying is based on videos.

I don't see how that's a problem. I don't really care for reviews as I typically don't agree with them in the end.

Alien colonial marines promotion was also based on videos that had nothing to do with final release. I'm just saying do not pre order games. Be patient, wait for reviews and then make your decision. This saves money, nerves, and hit's directly to game developers.

I am soooo not missing the pre-order bonuses. No matter how stupid they are, I'm not missing out on any content I could have acquired.

 

[boomee]

in the end a reveiw is just someones opinion not fact at all there are tons of games people miss or dont give a chance because the reveiws were not good its a matter of trial and error and knowing what you like or what you look for in a game

 

[BKGlover]

in the end a reveiw is just someones opinion not fact at all there are tons of games people miss or dont give a chance because the reveiws were not good its a matter of trial and error and knowing what you like or what you look for in a game

To extend that, there are games made by companies that don't get the same exposure or creedence that more popular games may get, for better or worse, and everyone can pick one out.

I don't do pre-orders myself, I don't like that they now come with extras that may be already finished and, like GRID 2, were announced and shown at the same time as the regular game. The only games I preordered were GT5 and GT (PSP), so I may not be the best example.

As for determining how the game is, reviews don't do enough. If you want an honest opinion, look for critics. It may sound backward, but anyone can see the good/bad on the surface, a critic usually dives straight to the core of the matter, pointing out good and bad, usually more good than bad but that is usually what we find ourselves after playing for a while.

Still, the best way to determine your state of enjoyment is, simply, play the full thing. Demos are nice, but like Hollywood "Blockbusters" of the last few years, can feasibly consist of the only good bits in the game. My advice for the single player focused; rent if you can, buy used if you aren't sold on it. If you do buy used, hunt for the first month because after that the impulse-buyers will have taken it back for something.....I'll stop there.

 

[Ddrizle]

Dubai Eliminator

 

[BKGlover]

I see they left the player-grid placement system alone.

 

[RACECAR]

A 20 minute video on why you shouldn't pre order games? That must be riveting.

Yeah, that's some grade a consumer advice there.

Since there is no Ridge Racer coming to PS4 i guess Grid 2 has to take RR place as arcade fun racer. 👍 I hope to be great game but i won't put my money on the line basing just on videos. Give me Demo at least 👍 decent reviews will do too 👍

Here's where your point falls though: Its that reviewer's opinion AND there's also the sometimes documented case of Reviews being payed to be positive by said publisher. So they can say that game has 5 stars all the way but as soon as you play it, discover loads of bad things and just find it terrible to play, that's when it hits the fan.

As for the "Don't pre-order games are all" paranoia, really silly. If I have a game I'm very interested, like what I'm seeing AND even like some of the stuff they'll include with it, I'll pre-order it. If it sucks, fine I'll trade it in for something else. Likewise if there's a game I'm doubtful and skeptical about, then I won't pre-order. It ends up good, then to ebay or the nearest store I go. Don't tell people not to pre-order games at all.

 

[ussr]

Don't tell people not to pre-order games at all.

So you failed to understand that pre ordering games is bad for video games industry, bad for other players who wait for premiere counting that game will be great. And people like you who did not have the little bit of patient ruins their experience by encouraging game makers to just don't care enough.

I've never preorder games, never! 👍 It's way much smarter to just be patient and decide on my own if i want what they offer or not. Ill hope you get it now. If not then too bad, and enjoy your extra content like pre ordered livery, extra car or whatever they offer you for your money.

Game should leaked any day now so ill be checking it out.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Does it really matter? It's the same game in the end.

 

[tattz83]

I agree with that In the end it is the same ppre order dlc content,its all up to personal choice no 1 make's u buy it.

 

[RACECAR]

So you failed to understand that pre ordering games is bad for video games industry, bad for other players who wait for premiere counting that game will be great. And people like you who did not have the little bit of patient ruins their experience by encouraging game makers to just don't care enough.

Nice assumption there Please do not at all blame "People like me" for doing it. I'll only pre-order a game if I actually like the game AND possibly the actual bonus content they have in edition (assuming its actually useful things like cars, tracks, planes or characthers. Don't really care for extra XP or all that other silliness). Even then, I just like having the game without those ridiculous lines on release day or if I can't at all make it to a store due to other things. I don't just do it for the little bonus things so don't at all place blame on me for "encouraging game makers to just don't care enough".

Speaking of which, explain to me how Pre-ordering makes the developers/Publishers "Not care". Does it somehow make them charge you extra or something? Last I checked when I bought a game not pre-ordering it, the price was about the same with the only difference being none of the content you get when you pre-order (F1 2012 being the latest example as I clearly remember getting that at my local Wal-Mart for the same $59.99 price tag My games I pre-ordered at Gamestop had).

I've never preorder games, never! 👍 It's way much smarter to just be patient and decide on my own if i want what they offer or not. Ill hope you get it now. If not then too bad, and enjoy your extra content like pre ordered livery, extra car or whatever they offer you for your money.

Game should leaked any day now so ill be checking it out.

Good for you. Also, you can stop with the "Being Patient" assumption you seem to have with anyone who even dares to pre-order. Not all of them did it on impulse, some did actually wait until they hade enough reason to for a game they were really interested in.

Does it really matter? It's the same game in the end.

This.

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

Nice assumption there :rollseyes: Please do not at all blame "People like me" for doing it. I'll only pre-order a game if I actually like the game AND possibly the actual bonus content they have in edition (assuming its actually useful things like cars, tracks, planes or characthers. Don't really care for extra XP or all that other silliness). Even then, I just like having the game without those ridiculous lines on release day or if I can't at all make it to a store due to other things.

Same reason why I pre-order games. It isn't bad at all if you do.

Hell, some games don't come with any pre-order incentives. What's the reasoning for not pre-ordering them?

I've worked at GameStop before and when there is a game that is heavily pre-ordered, we usually got 25-40 copies more shipped. That way if someone who didn't pre-order wanted it, got it. If they missed out, they had a week or 2 to wait.

..and don't say they could try another store. We have 3 spots in this town that sales games and heavily pre-ordered games are usually sold out within a few hours. And I know I wouldn't want to drive a 70 mile round trip for a $65 game.

 

[Samus]

So you failed to understand that pre ordering games is bad for video games industry, bad for other players who wait for premiere counting that game will be great. And people like you who did not have the little bit of patient ruins their experience by encouraging game makers to just don't care enough.

I've never preorder games, never! 👍 It's way much smarter to just be patient and decide on my own if i want what they offer or not. Ill hope you get it now. If not then too bad, and enjoy your extra content like pre ordered livery, extra car or whatever they offer you for your money.

Game should leaked any day now so ill be checking it out.

Pretty sure people who pirate games are bad for the game industry, not those that pre order them.

 

[dr_slump]

Hell, some games don't come with any pre-order incentives. What's the reasoning for not pre-ordering them?

What's the benefit of preordering them?

Taking risks for nothing, sounds great!

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

What's the benefit of preordering them?

Taking risks for nothing, sounds great!

Is it much of a risk if you pre-order early, find out info that makes you retract your payment and put it toward something else?

 

[Youngun]

The thing with preordering is........ The company's have already ordered (and paid) for the cases of games from the publisher (or distributor) so no matter when they sell the game in store/online, codemasters has already received money. Until the store sells out, which is when they order more from the supplier. and depending on the time that happens, prices may have dropped which is when the retail drops too, months and months after release.

 

[bluemoon_19]

What's the benefit of preordering them?

Taking risks for nothing, sounds great!

I pro-ordered WRC3 even when the shop I did it at didn't have the Mini exclusive car. The reason it was worth it? I couldn't get to the shop of release day and they only got 1 copy in. So if I didn't pro-order it chance are someone would have snapped up that copy and I wouldn't be able to play it till they got more copys in.

 

[anim8r_uk]

A lot of people saying not to preorder games or wait and buy a used copy.....

Here's a thought.... Imagine 'embracing' the games industry. Imagine supporting the games industry. All I ever hear is people complaining about the games they apparently love. I get that games aren't always for everyone, but if gamers dont support the industry and encourage only buying used copies, then the games companies don't make any money. Hence the reason DLC content is then made available to buy. They have to try and make money if they're not recieving it due to Used game sales. With no money, games companies will close down (I've been made redundant 5 times in 12 years). If games companies close down, then they don't make games.... which means you don't get the games you claim to love and enjoy. Eventually, there will be no games at all.

I prefered the gaming days before the internet became what it is now. Developers could make games and be proud of their work. Moral was high, so they enjoyed what they did. These days, many developers live in fear of rejection, due in many parts to the 'entitlement' society of today..... When we make games, we want to have fun making them. We put our lives on hold for many many months making these games. Our families suffer. But we do it because we LOVE doing what we do. We want to be motivated. We want to enjoy every minute of the game... from concept to post release. But it's difficult when all you hear these days in negativity. Doesnt matter if a game is good or bad, people still complain. As I've said before, I don't mind if people dont like the games I work on.... not everyone will. But there's a difference between being negative about a game for your own personal reasons (or sometimes valid reasons, if there are definate issues) and just being down right rude. I hear a lot of "**** you *company name*... you ruined this game for me!" or "You're just a bunch of lazy c**ts.... I hope your company goes bust!"... This kind of comment is very common and makes it very hard for those making games to be excited about the games they love to make for YOU.

I love what I do. I have done for the last 12 years. I do try to ignore a lot of what is said on the internet... but sometimes it's very hard. Can't we all just get along?

 

[HKS racer]

anim8r_uk you seriously need to ask yourself if it's all user's fault if we are going that way. Codemasters showed I don't know how many GRID 2 gameplay and I am NOT impressed at all. The internet gave users the chance to see stuff before buying it. Some people thinks there are much better products in the market than GRID 2, and they are looking forward to buying them Day One full price.

Seriosusly we are in 2013 you removed interior views, the physics looks substandard even for an arcade, how the hell in the World can you expect we all wanting to buy GRID 2 day1 full price when rFactor 2, Project CARS, Assetto Corsa, GT6 are being developed in a total different way?

 

[anim8r_uk]

I'm not saying it's all user's faults. And you're entitled to your opinions. What I'm getting at it the constant negativity and whinging as opposed to constructive critisism.

You can't 'see' what the handling physics are like.... you don't 'see' what the input is. It needs to be experienced. You also mentioned rFactor, Project CARS, Assetto Corsa and GT6. I'm also looking forward to these..... but they are completely different from Grid 2. They're racing simulators.

This is NOT directed at you, but is more of a general comment.....If you don't like a game or or don't like what you see or have lost interest in it, then that's fine.... that's you're prerogative. But why keep coming back to the thread for a game which you're not interested in, just to complain about it. Find a game you are interested in, go to that threat and be excited about that game.

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

anim8r_uk you seriously need to ask yourself if it's all user's fault if we are going that way. Codemasters showed I don't know how many GRID 2 gameplay and I am NOT impressed at all. The internet gave users the chance to see stuff before buying it. Some people thinks there are much better products in the market than GRID 2, and they are looking forward to buying them Day One full price.

Seriosusly we are in 2013 you removed interior views, the physics looks substandard even for an arcade, how the hell in the World can you expect we all wanting to buy GRID 2 day1 full price when rFactor 2, Project CARS, Assetto Corsa, GT6 are being developed in a total different way?

Is comparing sim racers to Grid 2 even right?

 

[dr_slump]

Is it much of a risk if you pre-order early, find out info that makes you retract your payment and put it toward something else?

And thats a benefit? Having the option to retract?

...

That what you just said had nothing to do with the pre-ordering question.

I pro-ordered WRC3 even when the shop I did it at didn't have the Mini exclusive car. The reason it was worth it? I couldn't get to the shop of release day and they only got 1 copy in. So if I didn't pro-order it chance are someone would have snapped up that copy and I wouldn't be able to play it till they got more copys in.

Must be an extremely small town you live in.



So basically the only reason is that you can't wait a few days. Ordering games online takes 1-2 days.
This is the absolute only benefit then. You have no patience, that's it - simple.

Why do I have to make the point?

Is comparing sim racers to Grid 2 even right?

Nope

 

[anim8r_uk]

Preordering a game is just reserving your copy of the game... meaning you can still pick it up if the game sells out on launch day. You usually get a bonus with it for doing so. If you know that you definately what that game and you're excited by it, I don't see how preordering is an issue.

 

[HKS racer]

Is comparing sim racers to Grid 2 even right?

Complementary products. If you have one of them, or you waiting for one of them you are not desperate about GRID 2. If you think about it, arcade or simulations the things you do are the same:
- turn on your pc/console
- take your wheel/pad
- play the game.

Yes, even the best simulators are still videogames.

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

And thats a benefit? Having the option to retract?

In my opinion, yes. It's a nice benefit. Like with GameStop, I can pre-order Grid 2, and any time before I pick the game up, if I decide I don't want it, I can retract the funds and put it toward something else; instead of paying $65 for it, playing it to find out its crap, then taking it back to get like $25 credit.

Pre-ordering doesn't always mean a bonus. You're just putting your name down for a copy. If you get a bonus, then cool.

Like with Saints Row The Third. I can't remember if there was a pre-order bonus. I don't think their was. I might be mistaken. But I pre-ordered because I really like the SR series. I will pre-order a game if it has a bonus or not, if I really like the game.

I know I waited to get Crysis 3 on release day, and because of that, I didn't get the game til 3 weeks down the line because of the stores around here being sold out.

--and with that, I think I strolled off-topic..

 

[HKS racer]

But why keep coming back to the thread for a game which you're not interested in, just to complain about it.

Because I enjoyed GRID 1 for what it was and I was expecting more from GRID 2. I don't like the direction you choosed for the sequel and I can say it in this thread.

 

[VYPA-SQUAD_Ace]

Because I enjoyed GRID 1 for what it was and I was expecting more from GRID 2. I don't like the direction you choosed for the sequel and I can say it in this thread.

Wait, that person works for Codies?

 

[Samus]

Yes.

Because I enjoyed GRID 1 for what it was and I was expecting more from GRID 2. I don't like the direction you choosed for the sequel and I can say it in this thread.

His point was you've been saying it for a fair few pages now.

 

[FLX1981]

@ anim8r_uk: You definitely have a point there about overwhelming negativity but there are some other sides of the coin as well:

- You reap what you sow: Codemasters PR (and a lot of other publishers PR too) have spewn so much PR BS over us during the last years that led to bitterness
- Is there some place where we can voice constructive criticism and really be heard? Doesnt seem so, since all Codies games during the last 3 years have gone more or less in the opposite direction of what most vocal fans would really want
- losing what they love (old TOCA/Colin style games) and seeing that replaced with DIRT and GRID2 (WITH COOL CAPITAL LETTERS FOR EXTA BRO-NESS, BRO!!!) aka games they dont like made them extra bitter
- and last but not least, you talk about making a living with games: well, we are giving you our hard earned money and rare free time for them. Not as much live or die involved of course, but for a student for example, 60 bucks is quite a bit of moneys. If he finds out he did get something for his cash that isnt what was promised, what do you think his reaction will be?

 

[dr_slump]

In my opinion, yes. It's a nice benefit. Like with GameStop, I can pre-order Grid 2, and any time before I pick the game up, if I decide I don't want it, I can retract the funds and put it toward something else; instead of paying $65 for it, playing it to find out its crap, then taking it back to get like $25 credit.

A benefit over not having to care about anything...
It's surely a benefit for such a preorder service, but not if you don't preorder at all.



But it's alright, it's your own decision. It's not as if I had never preordered a game in my whole entire life. If you're very sure that the game is going to be good, then it's actually not a big deal. But I wouldn't really do it if I had no benefits at all (except that I'd have to wait 2-3 days longer).

Preordering a game is just reserving your copy of the game... meaning you can still pick it up if the game sells out on launch day. You usually get a bonus with it for doing so. If you know that you definately what that game and you're excited by it, I don't see how preordering is an issue.

As above ^