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Don't feed the troll, guys. If it was worth it before, after 'it's acceptable to drive dirty if you're upset' and 'taking a metric ton of races to reach C1513 is exploiting the system', it clearly isn't worth it now.
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Don't feed the troll, guys. If it was worth it before, after 'it's acceptable to drive dirty if you're upset' and 'taking a metric ton of races to reach C1513 is exploiting the system', it clearly isn't worth it now.
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I’m sorry @TRGTspecialist but one more from me
Your describing something that can be found on PCARS2
Im sorry but public lobbies in GT 5/6 were a mess, public lobbies in PCars2 are better than that.
And to round it off GT6 Online net code was a shambles from the beginning and NEVER got fixed, have a look at the GTPlanet Sportscar Series for mountains of evidence.
Your describing something that can be found on PCARS2
Im sorry but public lobbies in GT 5/6 were a mess, public lobbies in PCars2 are better than that.
And to round it off GT6 Online net code was a shambles from the beginning and NEVER got fixed, have a look at the GTPlanet Sportscar Series for mountains of evidence.
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- FuriousDemon
I have a solution I’ve thought of on how to prevent people from “gaming” the system.
Make it a requirement for a minimum number of laps (5+) and minimum number of human opponents (4+) for the skill/safety rating to change. This way you will have to spend a considerable amount of effort to “game” it. You’ll need to drive for a while and also you will need to find other 4 people who want to do it with you instead of enjoying the game. Im sure even that can be done and certain gamers would be able to get enough people on board, but I also think it would detract a lot of people from “gaming” it.
Make it a requirement for a minimum number of laps (5+) and minimum number of human opponents (4+) for the skill/safety rating to change. This way you will have to spend a considerable amount of effort to “game” it. You’ll need to drive for a while and also you will need to find other 4 people who want to do it with you instead of enjoying the game. Im sure even that can be done and certain gamers would be able to get enough people on board, but I also think it would detract a lot of people from “gaming” it.
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Thats is kind of the idea.
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I have a different idea on how the Safety Rating works, and tested it to see if I was correct.
I don't believe it is only based on number of clean races, laps or amount of penalties, I believe it's weighted heavily toward the number of clean passes on track, that includes you passing an opponent and an opponent passing you. I moved from a B rating to a A rating in five 5 minute timed races by starting first and being passed "cleanly" by all 15 opponents, I never passed a car and finished last each time.
I then switched to a second account and stayed in first place never passed anyone, never moved off of a U rating after eight races, then I started doing races where I would drop back and get passed and then re-passing those cars and moved up from an F and then a D in less than 10 races.
Just passing along what I found.
I don't believe it is only based on number of clean races, laps or amount of penalties, I believe it's weighted heavily toward the number of clean passes on track, that includes you passing an opponent and an opponent passing you. I moved from a B rating to a A rating in five 5 minute timed races by starting first and being passed "cleanly" by all 15 opponents, I never passed a car and finished last each time.
I then switched to a second account and stayed in first place never passed anyone, never moved off of a U rating after eight races, then I started doing races where I would drop back and get passed and then re-passing those cars and moved up from an F and then a D in less than 10 races.
Just passing along what I found.
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I will disagree quite strongly with that. The disconnects, the lag spikes as people join or leave, lobbies not loading properly, messed tuning saves, the garbled extra noisy chat etc, etc, etc.....
I will disagree quite strongly with that too. While GT6 lobbies did have problems, especially with players not being able to see other player they did run a lot better than PCARS2.
I don't need to look anywhere as I was/am well aware of issues people were having. It still pales to insignificance compared to problems with this game online though.
An update for you on GT Sport Beta. The lobbies work fine, people can easily join and leave. The Kick Button works (instantly), in lobby chat (typed messages) works. You can change event regs and even cars from within the lobby without all this "male bovine excreta" that PCARS has. Also the FF, pedal calibrations etc just worked straight up. Physics aren't as good as AC but on par with PCARS2 IMHO.
So rono_thomas if you want any assistance with working on the license system I am still more than happy to help, so yell out if want to do some testing.
Otherwise I will give up here as well as on the game. It appears from many comments here my input is not welcome so I will leave you all to it. As i said my care factor is less than zero.
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I think it's entertaining that people are putting labels on you...."you're a gamer, not a sim racer." LMFAO
Clearly these folks spend too much time in the sim world, not enough time paying attention to real racing.
Watch any series, from anywhere in the world. The name of the game is to understand the rule set you must operate under, and then exploit, game, cheat, that system as much as you possibly can. It's called "being clever", and in the motorsports community, it's a very highly coveted personality trait. One need look no further than the oil burn controversy in F1, or the new controversy about Budkowski going from being an FIA technical delegate to signing with Renault - it's all about understanding the system, and exploiting it as much as possible without feeling negative effects. Sure, Budkowski has seen technical info about every team's car for next year, and ya 3 months gardening leave seems really short for someone with his knowledge (but hey, he's got Swiss corporate law backing him, thank god for the Swiss), it seems completely immoral and against the spirit of fair competition - but listen to the rhetoric. "Renault are clever." "Renault gamed the system."
That's what racing, any sport, is really about. Knowing the rule set, and how to exploit it while flying just under the radar.
With this license system, if you can figure out how to maximize your points gained, that's the aim of the game right now. If you know that you can divebomb someone, push them wide where they cop a penalty while you get away Scott free, well I'm sorry, not going for that move is like not going for a gap that exists. You don't go for a gap, you're not a racing driver.
The people who play by some unwritten fantasy code of what racing ethics should be are the one's who aren't real racers, and who live in a dream world. Anyone who exploits the rule set, including the license system, to its maximum, whether it's moral or not (Lewis Hamilton, the 2016 moral champion lol) is much more of a racer. How's that old Williams slogan go, "win at all costs."
In defense of the defenders, it is possible to raise your raiting. I played for about 8 hours total yesterday, and surfing lobbies, went from a low of 1311 back to 1387. The thing is, that climb took me most of the 8 hours (actually, most of the 8 hours were spent in Menu lockups and loading screens, but that's beside the point), and at any time, I knew that I could literally have hours of careful, tedious, unenjoyable "work" undone by a bad connection, a jerk of a host, etc. It's an unnerving feeling to play the game with, and I find it quite unenjoyable. I don't mind gambling and losing a few points if I have a bad race, but this cloud of doom constantly hanging over you every time you go online is not fun.
And before anyone says something smart like "just done care about the skill number" or something like that, I'll tell you why I care. For most of that 8 hours yesterday, there was a D1400 Touring Car lobby open, and it was the only decent TC lobby for most of the day. I like racing TC, I don't enjoy GT3 that much. So instead of spending my Sunday enjoying myself racing TC, I had to spend my day dredging through the GT3 cesspools, not really racing, but literally point racing, trying to claw my license rating back up after losing over 200 points now from disconnects, kicks, leaving lobbies with rediculous settings, etc. The entire episode felt like a chore - felt like farming in an MMORPG, but worse.
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You can always create your own room with whatever you like. It may take some time to get people in for an unpopular class, but it’s always an option if you can’t get into someone else’s.I think it's entertaining that people are putting labels on you...."you're a gamer, not a sim racer." LMFAO
Clearly these folks spend too much time in the sim world, not enough time paying attention to real racing.
Watch any series, from anywhere in the world. The name of the game is to understand the rule set you must operate under, and then exploit, game, cheat, that system as much as you possibly can. It's called "being clever", and in the motorsports community, it's a very highly coveted personality trait. One need look no further than the oil burn controversy in F1, or the new controversy about Budkowski going from being an FIA technical delegate to signing with Renault - it's all about understanding the system, and exploiting it as much as possible without feeling negative effects. Sure, Budkowski has seen technical info about every team's car for next year, and ya 3 months gardening leave seems really short for someone with his knowledge (but hey, he's got Swiss corporate law backing him, thank god for the Swiss), it seems completely immoral and against the spirit of fair competition - but listen to the rhetoric. "Renault are clever." "Renault gamed the system."
That's what racing, any sport, is really about. Knowing the rule set, and how to exploit it while flying just under the radar.
With this license system, if you can figure out how to maximize your points gained, that's the aim of the game right now. If you know that you can divebomb someone, push them wide where they cop a penalty while you get away Scott free, well I'm sorry, not going for that move is like not going for a gap that exists. You don't go for a gap, you're not a racing driver.
The people who play by some unwritten fantasy code of what racing ethics should be are the one's who aren't real racers, and who live in a dream world. Anyone who exploits the rule set, including the license system, to its maximum, whether it's moral or not (Lewis Hamilton, the 2016 moral champion lol) is much more of a racer. How's that old Williams slogan go, "win at all costs."
In defense of the defenders, it is possible to raise your raiting. I played for about 8 hours total yesterday, and surfing lobbies, went from a low of 1311 back to 1387. The thing is, that climb took me most of the 8 hours (actually, most of the 8 hours were spent in Menu lockups and loading screens, but that's beside the point), and at any time, I knew that I could literally have hours of careful, tedious, unenjoyable "work" undone by a bad connection, a jerk of a host, etc. It's an unnerving feeling to play the game with, and I find it quite unenjoyable. I don't mind gambling and losing a few points if I have a bad race, but this cloud of doom constantly hanging over you every time you go online is not fun.
And before anyone says something smart like "just done care about the skill number" or something like that, I'll tell you why I care. For most of that 8 hours yesterday, there was a D1400 Touring Car lobby open, and it was the only decent TC lobby for most of the day. I like racing TC, I don't enjoy GT3 that much. So instead of spending my Sunday enjoying myself racing TC, I had to spend my day dredging through the GT3 cesspools, not really racing, but literally point racing, trying to claw my license rating back up after losing over 200 points now from disconnects, kicks, leaving lobbies with rediculous settings, etc. The entire episode felt like a chore - felt like farming in an MMORPG, but worse.
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Saw something which you didn't agree with/like, and you dismiss it. How progressive of you
You've got lucky in not having connectivity issues, or you haven't come across a room where hosts just kick people mid race for fun. Or you're cherry picking which races you enter.Or it could be that you're just an amazing online racer, you really are that good, and the rest of us just need to get better. Yup, I'm sure that's what it is
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Every time I've hosted a lobby, I get disconnected from my own lobby after 1, maybe 2 races. Hosting isn't really an option for me at the moment.
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Saw something which you didn't agree with/like, and you dismiss it. How progressive of you
My one sentence pretty much answered your whole post, you dodged my question by trying to ridicule so whos progressive?
You tried to explain something which I understand very well. It was your post that your maybe writing from a place of frustration, was not the way to begin a conversation...
...but thing is disco s are on online stability issue which seems to be hurting you quite a bit. Fundamentally they could fix the License for you, but your still going to disco, reporting that issue here is the wrong place.
Out of curiosity who is your ISP and what do you get from them?
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Which sentence? This one??
That's not a sentence, that's a jumble of words, I'm not even sure what you mean.
My issue is that the license system disprortionatly punishes players for things that have nothing to do with racing or skill, disco'ing mid race falls into that category. Having been on the receiving end of mid race discos, mid race kicks, turn 1 crashes and not wanting to wait 1/2 hour for the race to finish, and other such things, my license rating has dropped to a point where I can no longer enter rooms which I would like to.
But I guess I should just "get gud" like you
ISP is Shaw, when i test my connection it says 52Mbps download speed.
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Ok my way of doing things has resulted in a ton less of work to get a better License rating.
If you were to have read my past posts you would have noticed I said this weeks ago, but, Im more interested in quitters having reason not to quit. So as I said above this is an stability issue I would rather have the net code improved rather than change the license. FYI I have lost 200 through discos but have just worked it back my way.
But I guess I should just "get gud" like you
You can continue to put words in my mouth, but I have never said this or implied it.
For comparison Im with virgin media in the UK with 200Mps download.
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I too could have a much better license rating if I had simply not ventured online, you know, to try the game out. Now I'm stuck with the chore of climbing my way back up, just so I can race in the lobbies id like to (such as a D1400 TC lobby).
Not a thing with my ISP has changed on my end since I was playing PCARS1 about 2 weeks ago, when I had next to no connectivity issues, certainly not at this rate - and any issue i did have, didn't negatively affect my "skill" rating which then prevents me from entering lobbies.
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Your not going to like this but my advice to you would be to avoid online, at least until the patch arrives, whenever that may be. Are you using WiFi or an ethernet cable?
I realise not playing the game is not a solution but, thats where Im at not because of the disco issues but because I can’t restrict safety ratings. For the next four days that’s not an issue, but I’m hoping that the patch improves online, and Im hoping that it gets here sooner rather than any later.
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I appreciate that you're trying to be positive, but the suggestion to just "not go online" is a little crazy (especially with how unpolished the AI is). So I bought the game to be told to not play it yet...because it's not ready.
Again, I appreciate that you're trying to keep an open mind and positive attitude, but understand that when people are having these kinds of issues with the game, your attempts to downplay people's frustrations doesn't make the situation any better - in fact it usually infuriates people more. Not saying that's what you're trying to do, but sometimes it can come across that way.
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I kind of stopped having problems after having a good strategy to this.
Just go into lobbies with a full qualify sessions. In 15 minutes or so you can pretty much have a good idea of what kind of lobby is, so if it looks dangerous you can just get out and move on.
Hopping into unknown lobbies can dramatically downgrade your ratings, so you have to make sure to know where you stepping your foot into.
Safety ratings don´t tell the whole story, that´s why you have to watch people racing. Yesterday i was on a Group C lobby and most people couldn´t keep the cars in a straight line, and some of them had B or C "safety" ratings. Actually the only one actually driving it properly was a guy with an F rating and 1300 some skill points.
Knowing the lobby before the start of the race will prevent you from headaches 90% of the time, you already know who you can trust/avoid.
Just go into lobbies with a full qualify sessions. In 15 minutes or so you can pretty much have a good idea of what kind of lobby is, so if it looks dangerous you can just get out and move on.
Hopping into unknown lobbies can dramatically downgrade your ratings, so you have to make sure to know where you stepping your foot into.
Safety ratings don´t tell the whole story, that´s why you have to watch people racing. Yesterday i was on a Group C lobby and most people couldn´t keep the cars in a straight line, and some of them had B or C "safety" ratings. Actually the only one actually driving it properly was a guy with an F rating and 1300 some skill points.
Knowing the lobby before the start of the race will prevent you from headaches 90% of the time, you already know who you can trust/avoid.
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*touch wood* but I just find it really weird that I’m in Australia and have had 0 DC’s. Only had a couple instances when joining lobbies I’ve DC straight back out so luckily haven’t copped any points.
Wifi seems okay, a little lag, but I still cable it up to be sure most of the time. Not trying to rub it in to anyone, I can imagine the pain it causes some people cause it’s not fun. I just find it odd that I struggled to stay in GT6 lobbies yet here it’s quite stable for me (again touch wood so I don’t jinx myself lol).
Around 25mb/s by the way, 4 upload.
Wifi seems okay, a little lag, but I still cable it up to be sure most of the time. Not trying to rub it in to anyone, I can imagine the pain it causes some people cause it’s not fun. I just find it odd that I struggled to stay in GT6 lobbies yet here it’s quite stable for me (again touch wood so I don’t jinx myself lol).
Around 25mb/s by the way, 4 upload.
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I took a little break from racing as that's all I was doing and I have a 7 yr old boy to raise by myself. So after 21 hours of play since launch I needed the time away.
My drivers rating is A1576 but I have been in rooms with an S rated driver.
Also... won my first online race I participated in on GT Sport and can tell you everybody was ramming like children. Trust me that game will draw more of that type of crowd than pCars2 ever will. I tried to tough it out and won a couple races but it was mass chaos all the time.
Photo 1: my current pCars2 profile
Photo 2: screenshot of me being in a room with an S rated driver
Photo 3: race results from GTS demo online race (and I'm not impressed with the demo unfortunately.... on my t300 & t3pa-pros... the game was dull. Just my two cents. Cars sound off, music playing while I race which is the GT touch but how can I take "this is Sport" serious while some techno music is louder than my engine notes)
My drivers rating is A1576 but I have been in rooms with an S rated driver.
Also... won my first online race I participated in on GT Sport and can tell you everybody was ramming like children. Trust me that game will draw more of that type of crowd than pCars2 ever will. I tried to tough it out and won a couple races but it was mass chaos all the time.
Photo 1: my current pCars2 profile
Photo 2: screenshot of me being in a room with an S rated driver
Photo 3: race results from GTS demo online race (and I'm not impressed with the demo unfortunately.... on my t300 & t3pa-pros... the game was dull. Just my two cents. Cars sound off, music playing while I race which is the GT touch but how can I take "this is Sport" serious while some techno music is louder than my engine notes)
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No it's not that your input is not welcome it's that you virtually give no input...
You have yet to demonstrate any of the claims you made.
For example you claimed the online experience will be bad because boosting lobbies... The only thing you've shown is how slow boosting is and how it will probably have little to no effect bevause of that...
What you're doing is the equivalent of farting in an elevator you're about to step out...
The amount of people with your level of intellectual dishonnesty is litterally making me depressed as I can't even escape it because the world is filled with cases like you. Critical thinking and the scientific process go check it out.
Disco's are a stability issue but I'm pretty sure it's their netcode. I haven't haf any issues playing bf or warthunder or neee for speed or... But when I play pC every so manny days my connection is all over the place...
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I've seen several people with a S rating already, not tons, but more than a couple.
On a side note, does anyone know what the colours in the Driver Profile refer to? In Double Ayys photo, his is Orange, like mine is. The S rated drivers I've seen have a sort of grey/silver colour. Most people seem to have a blue colour, I did when I started. It changed to orange when I got to B I think, but sometimes it randomly shows up as blue for a race or two.
As far as the discos, it has to be an issue with their net code. I can play Battlefield, Elder Scrolls (massive online game with tons going on, especially in PvP where it can easily be 50vs50vs50, or even more), or PCARS 1 with little to no connectivity issues. In PCARS 2, I disco from over half the rooms I join. Add on top of that the number of times the game locks up in that Waiting screen, or the start screws up, I'm getting maybe 1 successful race out of 5 or more attempts, with each attempt taking anywhere from a couple minutes to 7-8 minutes because of loading times and menu lock ups.
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