Competitive Racing License

[Outspacer]

A thought to spin this on its head, how about a reward for completing full race distances?

I liked your other thought better I think something that doesn't have any effect on the score from a single race would be best. It allows for the odd bit of bad internet, but breaks any habit of quitting (if it's a habit, which it probably is with some people). Of course, regardless of that, anyone quitting from higher than last would still lose points compared to staying in (assuming they can maintain a position above last).

I'm pissed at the fact that this type of incedents, or getting booted from a lobby, costs you 30-50 "skill" points, yet winning a race against a full grid only yields maybe 10ish points.

I'm going to start taking screenshots to record the skill ratings of the field before and after races. I won't post a lot here unless they're interesting cases, and I hope I won't come across anything quite as bad as that race sounds. It would be helpful if we caught the details of these cases though.

This number is zero indication of any sort of skill indicator or a driver.

TBH as good as the scoring gets, without an almost sentient AI packaged in apportioning blame, ratings after engaging in public lobbies are never going to be very accurate. It sounds like it could be better than it is, but it's really hard to tell without knowing the skill ratings of the other players.

 

[BSD200]

Regarding skill points, PC2 uses an Elo variant. Which is consistent with all examples posted in this thread.

 

[Outspacer]

Regarding skill points, PC2 uses an Elo variant. Which is consistent with all examples posted in this thread.

It seems consistent with some of the examples (at least could be, since we haven't full info posted for most), but what would you say about the imbalance noted at the end of this post?

 

[TT92]

People have asked me for proof of some of my claims.

After a rolling start at Mt. Fuji I was hit from behind and I got a drive through penalty. So I happily am doing my drive through, trying hard to get down to 37mph limit so I don't get another penalty and I am hit from behind again! And get DSQed!!

BTW My online racing name is TT__777

see video here

Here is a screen shot of where I won a race yet was only awarded 5th place and a 2 second penalty. So more points deducted from my license.

Someone please explain to me how any of this even remotely fair and why my valued(?) racing license should be slammed for it?

 

[rono_thomas]

Here’s my take on things:

Here is a screen shot of where I won a race yet was only awarded 5th place and a 2 second penalty. So more points deducted from my license.

So there is the two of you plus AI? There has been a bug identified where this is happening offline I believe, this isn’t right obviously but the license rating is operating as it should. This is another issue altogether and not something which the license rating should be changed for.

After a rolling start at Mt. Fuji I was hit from behind and I got a drive through penalty. So I happily am doing my drive through, trying hard to get down to 37mph limit so I don't get another penalty and I am hit from behind again! And get DSQed!!

Im guessing now but I’m going to assume that the rolling start was AI controlled. If thats the case be very nervous from the outset. You should avoid any AI controlled online racing, SMS know and The_American has responded here on GTP regarding this issue. As for the pit lane entry, Id be interested to know what the guys license rating actually was, Im assuming it wasn’t AI controlled. Its obvious the guy was inexperienced on Fugi to know how to enter the pits, and his general driving was pretty poor, I would expect that his License wasn’t that impressive.

Ok so is it fair? No. However there will be occasional instances where the License system seems to be unfair because of the no fault system it uses. These instances could be limited if the entry requirements of Lobbies was working correctly, something again The_American has said sms are aware of and are currently fixing. What do I mean? The license system is only going to be effective if the safety and competitive rating are used in conjunction when restricting entry, in its current state is next to impossible to avoid entering rooms without containing what iracing class as rookies.

If this was an AI controlled car then this is an AI issue not a license problem.

These instances you’ve presented are showing the License system working as it should.

Fair? No. As I’ve said the no fault system won’t always be fair.

Edit: Out of curiosity have you been running your License test with your friend and then filling the room with AI because this, AI are used in License.

Edit2: There was a post of yours a while back stating that track length has no effect, I thought it a strange wording but would have disagreed with had you wrote race length, have all your License test been over 1 lap? If thats the case then yea track length has no effect, race distance, 1 lap vs 60 laps does however.

 

[TT92]

Here’s my take on things:



So there is the two of you plus AI?

Correct. As I said a mate and I did this testing over 52 1 lap races with the other grid positions filled by AI both levels set to #1 and penalties ON.

There has been a bug identified where this is happening offline I believe, this isn’t right obviously but the license rating is operating as it should. This is another issue altogether and not something which the license rating should be changed for.

I agree it is a not a license issue BUT licenses are suffering negatively for it all the same ;-)

Im guessing now but I’m going to assume that the rolling start was AI controlled.

No. Homo Sapien idiots were to blame. Our Silicon enpowered buddies were free from blame ........ this time ;-)

These instances you’ve presented are showing the License system working as it should.

I would have said "........ showing the License system working as it was designed" which is unfair and there is no way to redress an unfair result.

It would be very, very easy for SMS to change the system. *IF* someone gets hit from behind when in a braking zone i.e entering pit lane or entering a corner THEN the penalty should go to the person behind because he is the one that can't drive properly. Obvious really. They are *always* assuming the person in front is "brake checking" the person behind. To get it even better refined IF a person is hit from behind and there is another car(s) in front, say within 2 car lengths, that are also braking then the person behind gets the penalty and the one in front is exempt even he he is pushed into the cars in front.

Fair? No. As I’ve said the no fault system won’t always be fair.

Here we disagree. My point is, the system needs a lot more work and its current implementation is of a very poor standard.

Edit: Out of curiosity have you been running your License test with your friend and then filling the room with AI because this, AI are used in License.

Yes, we had to, as per my post where I described what we did and why. Without the Ai we both were losing 10 points per race.

Edit2: There was a post of yours a while back stating that track length has no effect, I thought it a strange wording but would have disagreed with had you wrote race length, have all your License test been over 1 lap? If thats the case then yea track length has no effect, race distance, 1 lap vs 60 laps does however.

Correct. All testing was at 1 lap. It even states on the official site race Length has a bearing so there was no need to test that at this stage. The next test would be to test length and get an idea of how the length affects points.

 

[rono_thomas]

I agree it is a not a license issue BUT licenses are suffering negatively for it all the same ;-)

Agreed, the simplest solution for now is to not use AI online and see if any future patches improve the situation.

No. Homo Sapien idiots were to blame. Our Silicon enpowered buddies were free from blame ........ this time ;-)

I wonder how many joe blog racers actually know how to correctly completed a rolling start? Iracing restricts access to classes of races which as they iracers pay a subscription (am i right?) they are ok with, but in regards to the regular PCARS2 user that would be unacceptable. So perhaps theres an opening to further educate here that rolling starts have to be learnt before you can compete in online races that use them?

Or restricting it too a certain level of license working on the assumption that rolling starts would have beeb learnt by that stage.

It would be very, very easy for SMS to change the system. *IF* someone gets hit from behind when in a braking zone i.e entering pit lane or entering a corner THEN the penalty should go to the person behind because he is the one that can't drive properly. Obvious really. They are *always* assuming the person in front is "brake checking" the person behind. To get it even better refined IF a person is hit from behind and there is another car(s) in front, say within 2 car lengths, that are also braking then the person behind gets the penalty and the one in front is exempt even he he is pushed into the cars in front.

Ok so pit lane entry and exits could definitely be special cases, as it stands exits are policed to a certain extent but Ive not experienced anything on pit lane entries not until you reach pit lane speed limits again but yea I agree the no fault system could be made fairer here. Also I think rejoining track unsafely would fall under this category.

Talking about regular racing I honestly think the game however complicated it was coded would more often than not get it wrong, it certainly wouldn’t satisfy everyone, there are far too many variables. And would make it unpredictable, at least with the no fault system there are no illusions as to who will be blamed for what.

Also you’re never aware of how the punishments are dished out, there would have to be a log of incidents at the end of the race for example what the game may decide an NFA (No further action), you wouldn’t ever know, but I doubt ever that a log of racing incidents will ever be provided.

 

[TT92]

Talking about regular racing I honestly think the game however complicated it was coded would more often than not get it wrong, it certainly wouldn’t satisfy everyone, there are far too many variables. And would make it unpredictable, at least with the no fault system there are no illusions as to who will be blamed for what.

Also you’re never aware of how the punishments are dished out, there would have to be a log of incidents at the end of the race for example what the game may decide an NFA (No further action), you wouldn’t ever know, but I doubt ever that a log of racing incidents will ever be provided.

To make it fair and to avoid the incidences of the game deciding who was at fault under my proposed changes above it would be easy to penalise both players. At the moment only the innocent seem to get the penalty. Then the perpetrators may start to think twice before dangerously re-entering the track or failing to brake in time.

Now question to everyone. Do you think the standard of play online is getting better or worse?

I believe it is getting worse as people learn how to wreck other's races and get away with it.

 

[Outspacer]

To make it fair and to avoid the incidences of the game deciding who was at fault under my proposed changes above it would be easy to penalise both players.

I think that's how it is supposed to be now. The issue I have with that is how you both get a -ve for the collision, but if you're punted off track you get another -ve for that!

On entry to pit lane, that could mean you get a speeding penalty, I guess.

I reckon the system could evolve to avoid getting two -ve hits for one incident, but apportioning blame is just too difficult.

Now question to everyone. Do you think the standard of play online is getting better or worse?

I believe it is getting worse as people learn how to wreck other's races and get away with it.

I lucked out with my first 'dipping of a toe' in a calm lobby racing TC. Since then, I've looked a couple of times but either haven't seen a tempting lobby or can't get in because my safety rating is too low. What I have noticed is that skill limits are falling, and there's more and more lobbies with the ratings turned off. Then I thought screw it, entered a busy GT3 lobby at Monza, headed out with enough time to do 1 or 2 fast laps in quali... but got disconnected just as I left the pit lane.

 

[rono_thomas]

Now question to everyone. Do you think the standard of play online is getting better or worse?

For me I’m seeing racers with a lot more respect, I do find that there’s always 1or 2. To be fair though I am seeing a lot of racers waiting to give positions back, which is something that never occurred before. Its amusing, you can witness a crash in front of you and the guilty party will wait even if the car is several positions back.

haven't seen a tempting lobby

For me this is key and the criteria for a good lobby that I follow are well known tracks with a run off at turn 1. And avoiding the popular class of cars. I find the better drivers there.

but got disconnected just as I left the pit lane.

Lucked out there also that it wasnt the race, myself had this blue screen yesterday, first time for me.

 

[Outspacer]

For me this is key and the criteria for a good lobby that I follow are well known tracks with a run off at turn 1. And avoiding the popular class of cars. I find the better drivers there.

Such a paltry choice of lobbies though, maybe 1 or 2 if filtered for TC. It shows ones that I'm not eligible to enter, which is pointless. Anyway 20 isn't enough to choose from, and refreshing just shows almost the same selection most of the time.

Lucked out there also that it wasnt the race, myself had this blue screen yesterday, first time for me.

Indeed, it would've really hurt - there were 12 or so racers in there. I'd prefer 4 or 5 or 6, for now - at least it limits the potential damage!

 

[mattikake]

I get force disconnected (again) and my rating drops 30 points. I get rammed to buggery on lap 1 and finish last on a public lobby race and my rating goes up by 5. I win a public lobby race against people with a similar rating and it stays the same!

HTF does that work? Default feeling is of course... BUG!

 

[Animera]

I got my A licence over the weekend.
My number rating took a battering in our league events though.

In one race in the Formula Rookies I got hit by a guy who lost control of his car, resulting in me losing a wheel and having to retire. Bam, 29 points gone.
In another league race a bunch of guys had trouble with the rolling start so we decided to create a new lobby and start over. Bam, 40 points gone.

When the lobby was recreated and we got racing I started 3rd and ended 2nd in a race that was 2 hours 20 minutes long. I got a measly 2 points!

I still believe the penalty for disconnecting is too harsh. It should be a maximum of 10 points.

 

[mattikake]

The programmers could easily distinguish between someone selecting "exit session" and a sudden loss of communication with the peer. That's so easy to trap any pleb could write the code for them in 10 seconds. I guess the harder ones are people pulling the wifi/ethernet cable or turning off the PS4, but that still pains them given they'd have to restart the game/PS4/router etc.

The whole feel of the way the game has been designed is that SMS were living in a little bubble that is separate to the reality regular people - this case being the way loads of connection problems can happen that are no fault of the player and residual ghosts left behind (the infamous landmine/invisible wall) as if they believed this cannot happen. You MUST take environment into consideration when designing any software, at least in the real world. There are specific project lifecycle methodologies for this that have existed for decades.

Easy to miss when your head is firmly wedged up your own ass I guess.

 

[twitcher]

People have asked me for proof of some of my claims.

After a rolling start at Mt. Fuji I was hit from behind and I got a drive through penalty. So I happily am doing my drive through, trying hard to get down to 37mph limit so I don't get another penalty and I am hit from behind again! And get DSQed!!

BTW My online racing name is TT__777

see video here

Here is a screen shot of where I won a race yet was only awarded 5th place and a 2 second penalty. So more points deducted from my license.


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Someone please explain to me how any of this even remotely fair and why my valued(?) racing license should be slammed for it?

Hahahahaha sucker!!!! Lol just kidding...same thing happened to me today.

Nurb GP, GT3, 9 on the grid, 3 lap race, standing start. Guy behind me completely jumps the start, plows into me, I get a jump start, and a drive through. I'm pissed, but ok. I go to take the penalty at the end of lap 1, the same guy rams me at pit entry, I get DQ'd, he doesn't because he slowed in time by ramming me. I lost 28 points, the guy who rammed me gained 2.

If the aim of the game is to increase your "skill" rating, that guy definitely out-foxed me on that one.



Different note, regarding the topic of punishing people for leaving a race early.

Why? It makes no sense. Everyone who has ever raced online with damage, or who has raced in real life where damage is always on, knows that all kinds of crazy things can happen in the first corner, or first lap. Even if everyone is "trying" to race clean, there can still be massive accidents which force people to retire, or put them so far behind that they will never catch up.

Most of the racing that people do online is sprint racing. Watch any sprint racing, from anywhere in the world. Crap happens early in the race, people retire, and they LEAVE! They don't sit in the car, in the garage, waiting for the race to end - they have better things to do.

Same thing in the game. You've worked all week, turn on the PS4 on Friday night, jump into a lobby, let's say a 15 minute race with full damage, Formula C. You get tangled in T1, lose a front wheel. You retire, and normally you'd leave the lobby, go find another lobby, and hopefully get some racing in. Now, if you care about you're rating at all, you have to sit in the lobby for 15 minutes for the race to end.

Add in that you can't see race details in the actual race menu. So by simply forgetting to check how long a race is, or whatever whacky and wierd settings the host has selected, you can get stuck in a lobby where the race is 1/2 hour, an hour, or even more. Boom, there goes most of your night of gaming. Or you can take a 30ish point hit on your license, just for having your time wasted.

People have real life going on around them ffs. Some guy gets a phone call that he needs to go pick up his kids while he's in the middle of a race. Yup, better doc him points on his license for leaving mid race...taking care of your kids is definitely unskillful.

The system should reward people for finishing the race, not punish people for leaving early. It's not even a difficult concept to figure out - only to people who don't actually play video games online, I guess.

 

[TT92]

The system should reward people for finishing the race, not punish people for leaving early. It's not even a difficult concept to figure out - only to people who don't actually play video games online, I guess.

This has come about from early COD games where people get owed in a match would simply pull the plug, literally and disconnect from the network to protect their KD ratios. I can understand a dev wanting to do this BUT NOT this way.

It is an easy problem to fix. No disconnect penalties BUT the points for staying and finishing should increase by a margin every time someone leaves. Yes, open to abuse as well but at least it is better than what we have now. At the moment there is no incentive to stay only a disincentive to not leave.

I should add I am sick and tired of this 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 ing game online and my racing standards have dropped. The care factor is zero now and I just barge my way around **knowing** full well it is the other guy that cops it hard. I am only playing with randoms so who cares? NO ONE cares about me online so why reciprocate?

Great system eh? Turning a normally clean racer into a dirty gamer.

PS GT Sport loaded, setup, free car in garage and just watching for the countdown. We will know in a few hours ;-)

 

[Animera]

Sorry mate, but the game did not make you a dirty driver.
You chose to do that yourself.

Go look at the iRacing forums. There are heaps of threads about the penalty system being unfair but they won't change it because there is no fair way to determine who is at fault for every conceivable incident.
PCars2's system does the same thing.

But saying 'I got hit, therefore I'm going to hit everyone else' is just wrong.

 

[Pubs16]

This has come about from early COD games where people get owed in a match would simply pull the plug, literally and disconnect from the network to protect their KD ratios. I can understand a dev wanting to do this BUT NOT this way.

It is an easy problem to fix. No disconnect penalties BUT the points for staying and finishing should increase by a margin every time someone leaves. Yes, open to abuse as well but at least it is better than what we have now. At the moment there is no incentive to stay only a disincentive to not leave.

I should add I am sick and tired of this 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 ing game online and my racing standards have dropped. The care factor is zero now and I just barge my way around **knowing** full well it is the other guy that cops it hard. I am only playing with randoms so who cares? NO ONE cares about me online so why reciprocate?

Great system eh? Turning a normally clean racer into a dirty gamer.

PS GT Sport loaded, setup, free car in garage and just watching for the countdown. We will know in a few hours ;-)

Wow, great help to the situation mate. All the meanwhile hating the game at the same time, yet you still bring yourself to race and then be dirty about it because you hate it. *clap clap*

 

[R9NALD9]

Going to take a break on online racing...this is hands down the worst community I've raced with. Plus the penalties etc. in this game is not working as it should IMO.

I've been rammed this past weekend whilst not even being on the road...was pushed off at the first corner. Then saw a guy literally leaving the racing line just to ram the crap out of me. Lost my bumpers and wings and had to crawl for 5 laps around imola just not to get hit by 30 points because I didn't finish the race.

Rolling start the next race...the guy behind me thinks we are racing or I don't even know what he was thinking. Hits me from behind twice...I get +10 penalty and he gets +5. Great.

There is no point in qualifying as the further ahead you start the better the chance you'll get rammed. People are leaving the racing line just to push you off onto the grass because you might be overtaking them.

I just can't deal with this...

Also very stupid for the pro license to require 350 completed online races...this is just causing people to spam the game. Saw a guy who spent 17 hours online with 306 online races completed. Podiums at 150 and wins at 150...got a license rating of A1638. Clearly just spammed a 1 lap race with someone as their is no way of doing 306 proper races in 17 hours when myself have 50 after 12 hours doing mostly 5 lap races.

If they only made the pro license trophy/achievement to trigger after 350 online and/or offline completed races people wouldn't have felt the need to spam it as doing career with fair bit online would've triggered the trophy/achievement.

My own license sits at C1440...and dropping fast as the ramming is out of hand. And it seems that coming 3rd in a race against 2 other racers (sure it is last place but still) which are rated over 1550 made me lose another 15 points. How does that work?

Doesn't make sense to me...

 

[TT92]

Sorry mate, but the game did not make you a dirty driver.
You chose to do that yourself.

Go look at the iRacing forums. There are heaps of threads about the penalty system being unfair but they won't change it because there is no fair way to determine who is at fault for every conceivable incident.
PCars2's system does the same thing.

But saying 'I got hit, therefore I'm going to hit everyone else' is just wrong.

Ever heard of "Can't beat 'em, join 'em" I have nothing but contempt for this game and most of the people that are online. Sad I know but the only reason why I continue is I am 138 online races away from my veteran trophy and hence my platinum. Once I have it I will trade the game. I am over it >:-( In hindsight I should not have let my pals talk me into it as they don't want to play the game any more either.

Lastly, as predicted by me in earlier posts, I am actually levelling up. I am holding my C rating and am up to 1513ish. Also I am freely admitting what I am doing and acknowledge it is immoral BUT within the rules as currently operating. I stand by my earlier statement "the license system is a fiasco" and I am currently using it to my advantage.

 

[Mr Tree]

@TT92 my prior experience online maked me sceptic considering rewards work to discourage baf behavior. Punishment makes people leave, and it makes the correct people leave...

It makes those altime quitters leave a'd it makes the people who don't see why it is so important leave. Well I can be a very happy racer without them online...
Punishment is what an online community needs for behavioral change. The harsher the punishment the cleaner the games are in general. But hey we'll always disagree. But truth is dota had low priority pool for leaving which was an half ass punishpent system. People just left on a regulat basis. Smite had the no play for half an hour penalty for leaving. Hardly ever someone left... I know my personal case is no evidence.

And who ever suggested brakingzones and hitting in the back is a penalty? Ok I dive inside you hit my back are you to blamr or me whome dove into a gap he was never going to get out safe? I blame you you hit my back... Very safe system. An other one just before we enter the corner I step on the brake you hit my back... Is the systel still fair? Again I'm not saying current system is perfect, I'm stating that there are little to no solutions for the issues thzt currently exist that would make things really better.


@TT92 again no there is no issue. You're gaming the system in your own private lobby... Has little effect on the honnest racers once yoy rejoin the 'real' world you'd be dropped so fast all your boosting was for nothing. You've shown in all your postst you lack any experience or knowledge about elosystems or how people conduct thelselfs in online gameplay. You have very romantic idea's of how to reach behavioral change in said communities...
The way you keep saying you ONLY deal in facts while you are so clearly not is actually raising my bloodpressure. You fail to see the diffrence between straight up facts and how to drawa conclusion from that. The analogy I'd give for your version of just facts is: "whenever I do a full lengt on an olympic sized pool I'm very tired. This must mean I'm very fast and therefor should be able to compete with the pro's"
Do you see how the conclusion drawn from the facts is purely opinion? Are you ever going to get this?

 

[rono_thomas]

Ever heard of "Can't beat 'em, join 'em" I have nothing but contempt for this game and most of the people that are online. Sad I know but the only reason why I continue is I am 138 online races away from my veteran trophy and hence my platinum. Once I have it I will trade the game. I am over it >:-( In hindsight I should not have let my pals talk me into it as they don't want to play the game any more either.

Lastly, as predicted by me in earlier posts, I am actually levelling up. I am holding my C rating and am up to 1513ish. Also I am freely admitting what I am doing and acknowledge it is immoral BUT within the rules as currently operating. I stand by my earlier statement "the license system is a fiasco" and I am currently using it to my advantage.

I stand by my earlier statement, to tell what type of racer you are.

Your not a true sim racer, your a gamer.

 

[R9NALD9]

And who ever suggested brakingzones and hitting in the back is a penalty? Ok I dive inside you hit my back are you to blamr or me whome dove into a gap he was never going to get out safe? I blame you you hit my back... Very safe system. An other one just before we enter the corner I step on the brake you hit my back... Is the systel still fair? Again I'm not saying current system is perfect, I'm stating that there are little to no solutions for the issues thzt currently exist that would make things really better.

It was me and that wasn't exactly what I said. If they check the speeds the two cars are going at and car A brakes for a corner, but car B doesn't brake/slow down at all in a braking zone and hits car A in the back then there is only one party to blame.

 

[Mr Tree]

It was me and that wasn't exactly what I said. If they check the speeds the two cars are going at and car A brakes for a corner, but car B doesn't brake/slow down at all in a braking zone and hits car A in the back then there is only one party to blame.

Ok I'm not saying that's impossible. Honnest question do you have any experience programming?

I don't have to much experience but a little and what I've noticed is how fast you run out of computing power...
So why set apart so much computing power for something that will work itself out within the current system (with a few tweaks ofcoarse).

And tbh I still don't see the lobbies you guys are describing... What are yoy searching for?

Also still you're welcome to join in on lobbies I and friends of mine run. A few on this forul have allready done so...

 

[Pubs16]

Ever heard of "Can't beat 'em, join 'em" I have nothing but contempt for this game and most of the people that are online. Sad I know but the only reason why I continue is I am 138 online races away from my veteran trophy and hence my platinum. Once I have it I will trade the game. I am over it >:-( In hindsight I should not have let my pals talk me into it as they don't want to play the game any more either.

Lastly, as predicted by me in earlier posts, I am actually levelling up. I am holding my C rating and am up to 1513ish. Also I am freely admitting what I am doing and acknowledge it is immoral BUT within the rules as currently operating. I stand by my earlier statement "the license system is a fiasco" and I am currently using it to my advantage.

Good then we can finally hear the end of your whinging. The fact that you’re whinging about “problems” that are only preventing you from getting a trophy set is even more laughable.

So hear hear to the comment below!

I stand by my earlier statement, to tell what type of racer you are.

Your not a true sim racer, your a gamer.

 

[TT92]

I stand by my earlier statement, to tell what type of racer you are.

Your not a true sim racer, your a gamer.

Yes, I am treating PCARS2 as a game only. I have utter and complete contempt for it and its rules.

I certainly hope you get what you are looking for out of this game because it certainly does not cut it for me.

I long for the old days of great night of clean racing with my pals. It is just a shame that to date we have not found a suitable game we can all agree on. We are hoping like mad that GT Sport will carry on from GT5/6 and we can start to organise some great racing again.

Good then we can finally hear the end of your whinging. The fact that you’re whinging about “problems” that are only preventing you from getting a trophy set is even more laughable.

So hear hear to the comment below!

Where did I say I am having problems getting trophies? I have them all bar 2 and that is only a time thing.

I am voicing opinions about the poor implementation of a license system, how it doesn't work properly IMO and how people are exploiting it online. I am also honestly telling you how I am now exploiting the system now as well so I conform with current online standards.

Are we clear now?

 

[Mr Tree]

Where did I say I am having problems getting trophies? I have them all bar 2 and that is only a time thing.

I am voicing opinions about the poor implementation of a license system, how it doesn't work properly IMO and how people are exploiting it online. I am also honestly telling you how I am now exploiting the system now as well so I conform with current online standards.

Are we clear now?

You're not clear at all do far yoy have not shown how or even if you've gamed the game...

You've shown that if you make lobbies with friends only, tailored to your very specific needs you can grind less then 200points in 5 hours..... As it should drop faster if you drive below that skill level it means you'd lose that liscence intantly and plummet back to the scrub position you deserve...

You have currently called this game and liscense system poor quality for about 961times (hyperbole you know before you start nitpicking about that). In thosr 961 timed you've failed to make any sugestion that passes any basic thoughtprocess of exploitation...

So again do you have any suggestions if nit could yoy kindly move on and makr room for descent discussion between people who at least try to think critically...

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

Weekends are truly awful to race in open lobbies.

My hope is that the casual gamers and careless kids in general will move into GTS or simply get tired of the game.

Also, I'm still confident that with time the scores will settle down and we'll be able to set clean rooms based on the safety rating.

In the meantime I have a great, growing pool of friends to cleanly race with.

Last, I find a bit confusing that to take part on some community events certain skill level is required. However, taking part on the available events doesn't increase it in any way. It's a bit disencouraging. I'm looking forward if anyone will be on +2000 by the 20th.

 

[Pubs16]

Where did I say I am having problems getting trophies? I have them all bar 2 and that is only a time thing.

I am voicing opinions about the poor implementation of a license system, how it doesn't work properly IMO and how people are exploiting it online. I am also honestly telling you how I am now exploiting the system now as well so I conform with current online standards.

Are we clear now?

Well that you’ve got to “get through the problems” in order to get your trophies. Nobody’s forcing you to finish the game yet you still seem to be putting yourself through the pain, and in turn putting all of us reading through pain.

Doesn’t seem poor to me, I’ve tried discussing and questioning all your claims however you haven’t responded to half of them, so no... we’re not clear because I seem to be having a perfectly fine time with the licence and penalty system. But because it seems to hinder your trophy gathering abilities doesn’t make it flawed, if anything it means that it’s probably working well to make it hard for people with your intentions. The only thing you’re exploiting is to fast track to “veteren” status and to bump your safety rating for a short period of time, the skill rating however you have not shown that it can be exploited.

No it certainly doesn’t STOP dirty players, but the system allows you to phish out those players in order for professionally-mannered racers to find eachother.

On a side note I had a wonderful couple races this afternoon with guys that were alike my grades but a little bit more, so it’s certainly further helped me to move away from poor players.

 

[R9NALD9]

Ok I'm not saying that's impossible. Honnest question do you have any experience programming?

I don't have to much experience but a little and what I've noticed is how fast you run out of computing power...
So why set apart so much computing power for something that will work itself out within the current system (with a few tweaks ofcoarse).

And tbh I still don't see the lobbies you guys are describing... What are yoy searching for?

Also still you're welcome to join in on lobbies I and friends of mine run. A few on this forul have allready done so...

Thanks man sent you a PM.

Open lobbies are my only choice as my 3 best mates weren't interested in Pcars2

I totally get the computing power part of it...just venting and trying to find a solution as my online experience has been nothing short of a nightmare 85% of the time