Competitive Racing License

[mattikake]

What if disconnecting effectively classifies them last and all those that stay, even if they retire to pits AFTER the disconnecter, are rewarded with beating them in the final results? Like a classified order in a real race based on how many laps completed.

After all in a real race you can retire but still be awarded points if there are not enough finishers ahead to fill all the points positions.

That way disconnecters know they are only freely rewarding someone else with free points (so may help motivate them to stay) and it would motivate those running at the back to keep going rather than joining the disconnecters.

 

[twitcher]

Then join a lobby that goes straight to race. Or create your own.



It doesn’t enhance the experience, this lobby seems like it was set up more realistic than most, and it seems like it was a longer race.

It’s common that a longer race on previous racing sims would have the last person quit and then create a domino effect on others quitting, this is not fun for those that are left, it lacks a sense of accomplishment.

Support of the disco penalty are for more than just one reason it enhances the experience by having more finish a race and also the disco penalty is to stop people preventing pulling the internet connection.

Your argument works because of all the unintentional disco’s that are happening. If this issue was reduced to a zero would still want it removed?

I still think the loss needs to be greater than last but not as severe as it is.

But as the game knows that you retired as a mechanical it should not further penalise you for exiting lobby if you have already retired to pits. This is something that most definitely can be coded.

Even if there were zero discos, I would be in favour of no penalty for leaving the room.

Reward people who finish, reward people who stay, but don't penalize those who prioritize things like real life, or maximizing race time in a narrow evening play-time window.

Like I said before, I could live with -5 for leaving, but would prefer zero.

I get the arguement that preventing people from leaving "enhances the sense of accomplishmention," but I think if you really analyze that notion, you have to ask some pretty honest questions of yourself.

Does having someone sit in the pits for a full race enhance your sense of accomplishment?

Does having someone finish a 10 lap sprint race 4 laps down enhance your sense of sccomplishment?

Imagine a full grid of 16. Lights go out, but only you and one other person move, everyone else "brakes down" on the line. Do you feel more accomplished when you finish of those 14 people stay in the room, than if they leave?


Edit: just to add, re: join lobbies that go straight to the race. Do you actually surf the online lobbies regularly? At any given time of the day, any day of the week, there's a Max of less than 10 lobbies with more than 6 people. Majority of those are GT3. If you want to race in lobbies that have decent population, race with custom setups, race with skill rating either on or off, etc, etc, then you are completely at the mercy of the community. The idea that you can "just join lobby type X" isn't feasible, because those lobbies just don't exist. As far as hosting, I've tried that, and usually DC from my own lobby, or get no one joining (especially if anything but GT3)

 

[RomKnight]

@twitcher
FIA Appendix L

If you don't know better or see too few races where penalties are applied I can't help you.

OFC IRL Vettel is I think, still, the guy you most penalties ever... for stupidity alone if you ask me.

Then again, it's F1... and who decides is equally daft it seems.

Also if you don't want to understand this is a GAME and won't accept the rules, you have a choice. STOP playing.

I can also find ONE exception to every rule BTW. I won't play that distortion of words with you. You get it, fine, you don't it's on you.

 

[Outspacer]

Reward people who finish, reward people who stay, ...

No, not that, it's basically the same as giving a penalty to those who quit. IMO the skill rating should measure skill, which means no bonuses or penalties for anything else mixed into it at all. Technically the effect of those is to inflate or deflate the overall value of skill points - give penalties and you're taking points out of the system, never to return - each remaining point is then worth more.

Of course any disco/quit should still count as a DNF, since that's the actual result.

OFC IRL Vettel is I think, still, the guy you most penalties ever..

Not by a long way, it's Kvyat according to this: http://f1.wikia.com/wiki/Penalty_points
Dunno who keeps track of in-race penalties.

 

[twitcher]

@twitcher
FIA Appendix L

If you don't know better or see too few races where penalties are applied I can't help you.

OFC IRL Vettel is I think, still, the guy you most penalties ever... for stupidity alone if you ask me.

Then again, it's F1... and who decides is equally daft it seems.

Also if you don't want to understand this is a GAME and won't accept the rules, you have a choice. STOP playing.

I can also find ONE exception to every rule BTW. I won't play that distortion of words with you. You get it, fine, you don't it's on you.

chill. All I'm saying this that Charlie needs to relax a little bit in the practice and quali sessions. It needs some tweaking, that's all - much like the rest of the online license system. Given that it's pretty obvious the system is very unpolished in several areas, it's not unreasonable for me to point out areas that could use adjustment.

Or I could follow your advice, and just go away

No, not that, it's basically the same as giving a penalty to those who quit. IMO the skill rating should measure skill, which means no bonuses or penalties for anything else mixed into it at all. Technically the effect of those is to inflate or deflate the overall value of skill points - give penalties and you're taking points out of the system, never to return - each remaining point is then worth more (inflation).

Of course any disco/quit should still count as a DNF, since that's the actual result.



Not by a long way, it's Kvyat according to this: http://f1.wikia.com/wiki/Penalty_points
Dunno who keeps track of in-race penalties.

Actually that I agree with. Skill rating really should have nothing to do whether or not you complete races or stay in lobbies. It should be based off things like overtakes, fastest laps, consistent laps, good strategy, etc.

I do think there is a place for some sort of stat which tracks how thorough a player is in finishing races - there is some value in knowing whether or not someone is likely to dip if they're not leading after T1. However, again, perhaps this should be seperate from the skill rating.

....not that system needs to get any more complicated

 

[rono_thomas]

Does having someone sit in the pits for a full race enhance your sense of accomplishment?

No, I agree which is why I wrote this,

...as the game knows that you retired as a mechanical it should not further penalise you for exiting lobby if you have already retired to pits. This is something that most definitely can be coded.

Does having someone finish a 10 lap sprint race 4 laps down enhance your sense of sccomplishment?

Yes lapping and being lapped is part of racing, my opinion ofc.

Imagine a full grid of 16. Lights go out, but only you and one other person move, everyone else "brakes down" on the line. Do you feel more accomplished when you finish of those 14 people stay in the room, than if they leave?

Not likely to happen but if I did I wouldn’t expect them to stay for the duration, I’d refer to the quote of my post above.

Edit: just to add, re: join lobbies that go straight to the race. Do you actually surf the online lobbies regularly? At any given time of the day, any day of the week, there's a Max of less than 10 lobbies with more than 6 people. Majority of those are GT3. If you want to race in lobbies that have decent population, race with custom setups, race with skill rating either on or off, etc, etc, then you are completely at the mercy of the community.

That is just the nature of this game at this present time, I would guess that its more likely to be related to bugs and connection issues than a direct correlation to a license problem.

It seems that given the choice most will want to run GT3 at a select choice of tracks. Considering the choice of cars and tracks there is certainly a disconnect somewhere between what PCARS2 provides and what most are choosing which is an interesting topic in itself.

I've tried that, and usually DC from my own lobby, or get no one joining (especially if anything but GT3)

I get this connection issues really truly suck.

 

[twitcher]

...
Yes lapping and being lapped is part of racing, my opinion ofc.
....

I knew i would get called in this one. In the spirit of racing, I fully agree. In the reality of what happens in PCARS online lobbies, not so much.

Incedents with other drivers, while they drive me nuts, I can deal with, it's part of racing. What I can't deal with is when the game screws you over, particularly in the pit stops. Doing things like not repairing damage, putting slicks on in a thunderstorm, not putting fuel in the tank - things like that are a complete waste of time. It doesn't happen all that often, but going back to PCARS 1, it's happened to me more times than I can count, and I've been witness to others on the mic having the same thing happen. I've already had it happen multiple times in PCARS 2 that pitting for either wets or drys has not worked, causing me to pit multiple times.

In those cases, I don't think there's any sense of accomplishment gained by those put multiple laps on you while you're sitting in the pits arguing with the menus.

It seems that given the choice most will want to run GT3 at a select choice of tracks. Considering the choice of cars and tracks there is certainly a disconnect somewhere between what PCARS2 provides and what most are choosing which is an interesting topic in itself.

It is an interesting topic. Personally, I think a lot of people end up racing GT3 lobbies just because that's what shows up on the list when you search. Also for whatever reason, the GT3 lobbies tend to have more of a "quick race" format (15 min quali, 5-10 lap race, change track, rinse & repeat), whereas many of the none GT3 lobbies have all kinds of weird and whacky settings.

So when you're looking at the lobby menu, you ask yourself if you would rather join a GT3 lobby at Monza/Imola/RBR/Leguna/Etc that has 10+ people in it; or would you rather join a LMP2 lobby that has 2x 30 min practice, 45 min quali, and a 30 lap race, full thunderstorm at night; and all of 2 people in the lobby.

Just looking at the lobby right now. 11 rooms with more than 4 people. 5 are GT3, 2 are GTE, 1 LMP1, 1 LMP900, 1 Indycar, 1 unknown.

The LMP1 room is in a race, 11 laps to go, so not interested.

Same with the Indycar room, 10 laps to go (oh and it's oval, not really interested)

LMP900 is in quali with 0 minutes remaining. That means if I join, I'll probably lock up and need to restart. No idea how long their race will be.

The random room, I'm not interested in.

So basically, governed by what the community is doing, GT3/GTE is kind of my only choice if I want to find a room that I can get a race in within the next 15-20 minutes against at least 1/2 a full grid.

I don't dislike GT3, but there's many other classes I'd rather race. Just can never find lobbies for stuff like Vintage GT and the like, and definitely not in a "quick race lobby" type of format. At best, I'll get a vintage race in if someone is running a Shuffle style room, changing car class for each new race.

 

[notanexpert]

If i enter a race with 30 people and im last, 10 crash on the first lap and EXIT the lobby, will i get points for "beating?" those 10 people?

 

[mattikake]

^ no.

 

[Outspacer]

If i enter a race with 30 people and im last, 10 crash on the first lap and EXIT the lobby, will i get points for "beating?" those 10 people?

I certainly think that you should get the points from that. It might be what does happen. I think someone said that's what's supposed to happen already, but I haven't seen any screenshots that prove it.

 

[FuriousDemon]

It happens for sure. I had gain ten points in a race where I retired to pits but two people quit before me that had higher rating. I was surprised but I guess it works correctly

 

[twitcher]

Wow...I just got kicked from a lobby for no apparent reason...now I'm down to 1319.

I went from 1420 last night, and over the course of 4 online lbbies, have lost 101 points from 2 discos and 1 boot.

That is literally going to take me a month or more to get back to 1400, let alone 1500. Looking at the online lobby, there's now 5/20 lobbies I can no longer join.

I'm 🤬 done.

 

[RomKnight]

You loose points for being kicked? Nope, I don't agree with that either.
wrt to disconnects, 2 disconnects in one week is already too much for me let alone in the same night. I'd call my IP if that happened to me.

 

[mattikake]

Wow...I just got kicked from a lobby for no apparent reason...now I'm down to 1319.

I went from 1420 last night, and over the course of 4 online lbbies, have lost 101 points from 2 discos and 1 boot.

That is literally going to take me a month or more to get back to 1400, let alone 1500. Looking at the online lobby, there's now 5/20 lobbies I can no longer join.

I'm 🤬 done.

Major bummer. I lost about 80 points and rating going from E to U in 1 day with 3 straight disconnects IIRC. Why not join a racing league? There's plenty. Usually they pick a host with the fastest most stable connection. I'm in 10tenths, they're a friendly sort of all levels of ability and setups. The only thing they have in common is [trying to have] clean racing.



I don't think disconnects have anything to do with the IP. Certainly not for me. Mine is fibre and has never had so much as a stutter in 6 months or more, never been disconnected from World of Tanks (PC) or Elite Dangerous (PS4). Yet I've been disconnected from PC2 more times than I could reasonably count.

 

[RomKnight]

Are those games p2p? Do you have that issue when on dedicated servers? Again, as long as I don't see a red connection on a lobby it's been fine for me

In any case a disconnect rating loss from a kick...

 

[FuriousDemon]

So far I had I think either 0 or 1 (I may have quit by accident) disconnect in about 20 games I played online.

 

[twitcher]

Major bummer. I lost about 80 points and rating going from E to U in 1 day. Why not join a racing league? There's plenty. Usually they pick a host with the fastest most stable connection. I'm in 10tenths, they're a friendly sort of all levels of ability and setups. The only thing they have in common is [trying to have] clean racing.



I don't think disconnects have anything to do with the IP. Certainly not for me. Mine is fibre and has never had so much as a stutter in 6 months or more, never been disconnected from World of Tanks (PC) or Elite Dangerous (PS4). Yet I've been disconnected from PC2 more times than I could reasonably count.

Ive done leagues before, they're fun, I'll do them again. But they have to follow a schedule. I work random hours, random days sometimes. Sometimes I just have an hour in the middle of the day, I just want to get a couple races in.

Leagues are fun, but the seriousness gets taken to a different level. I found that showing up to a league race without a tune tailor made for specific track and conditions basically means you come last. So, you spend all week working on a tune, only to get punted off in T1. Then you spend the rest of the 30-60 minute race tooling around by yourself.

As for my connection, same deal. I have no problems playing PC1, ESO, or Battlefield, while someone else in the house is on Netflix...zero issues. But in PCARS 2...you want some stats?

303 qualifying sessions entered
165 race starts
133 finishes
8 DNF
5 DQ

So, of 32 non-finishes, 19 times the game has dropped me mid race. I've never quit a race without retiring first, I assume those count as DNFs.

Of the 303 qualifying sessions I've entered, I've managed to start 165 races. Since the game came out, I've voluntarily left, at absolute maximum, 15 quali sessions - and that's being very harsh on myself, I just don't leave quali sessions normally.

That's still well over 100 failed attempts....and the game's been out for less than a month.


My license is now at A1319. Of the 133 completed races, i have 78 top 5, 51 podiums, 20 wins, 30% podium rate, 18 poles, 63 fastest laps, and despite my connection issues, still an 80% finish rate.

I'm the last person to think I'm fast, but I really don't feel like my "skill rating" is reflecting anything other than how many times I've been kicked or disco'd. I can't be certain at this point, but rough math and edjucated guess lead me to believe I've lost roughly 500 points due to discos and boots.

And like I said before, I really couldn't care less about the rating, other than now I'm being restricted from entering lobbies on an already underwhelming online lobby list. In my opinion, it's actually a waste of time that's just going to lead to elitism and division in the online community. It's like you said - want serious, clean racing? Join a league. Want to race in an open lobby? Learn to race around the crap that comes with it. As it stands right now, I have fewer online lobbies to select from in all of my PCARS history - and judging from the trend in my license since I got PC2, my options are only going to get less and less as time goes on.

 

[Pubs16]

I’m still finding it weird I haven’t had a DC yet... touch wood. I was even on wifi yesterday and still solid even for Australia, so I doubt the game can be blamed.

On the note of being kicked, I got kicked yesterday for the first time from a Quali session, feared I would’ve lost points but luckily didn’t. Was odd though as I was around the same rating as everybody else so not sure why they did, maybe it was private but they forgot to set it as that.

 

[twitcher]

I’m still finding it weird I haven’t had a DC yet... touch wood. I was even on wifi yesterday and still solid even for Australia, so I doubt the game can be blamed.

On the note of being kicked, I got kicked yesterday for the first time from a Quali session, feared I would’ve lost points but luckily didn’t. Was odd though as I was around the same rating as everybody else so not sure why they did, maybe it was private but they forgot to set it as that.

You say it can't be the game....but countless people are having connectivity issues with this game, and this game alone. Most of the people I played PC1 with are in the same boat as me...can barely stay connected. And most of us all play other games as well, and have no issues. Only in PCARS 2.

You don't lose points if you leave or get kicked from a quali or practice session. Only the race matters for points.

 

[R9NALD9]

I have to agree that deducting points for disconnecting is not the way to go. Last night I was in the middle of an online race...my 2 year old daughter started to cry and calling for me...had to quit to tend to her. Lost 30 points

What is the alternative, not really sure but it just sucks losing 30 points for being a parent....there must be another way.

If I just retire the race and wait it out to the end would that have saved me 30 points?

 

[Bealdor]

If i enter a race with 30 people and im last, 10 crash on the first lap and EXIT the lobby, will i get points for "beating?" those 10 people?

^ no.

Yes you do:

That's not how it works fortunately. Every player that quits before the end will count as a beaten opponent for your rating.
When you win in a 12 car lobby you've beaten 11 drivers, no matter how many of them quit/disconnect before the end.

 

[Pubs16]

You say it can't be the game....but countless people are having connectivity issues with this game, and this game alone. Most of the people I played PC1 with are in the same boat as me...can barely stay connected. And most of us all play other games as well, and have no issues. Only in PCARS 2.

You don't lose points if you leave or get kicked from a quali or practice session. Only the race matters for points.

All I’m pointing out is the fact I have Australian internet which is notorious for being worse than most other places and I haven’t encountered one disconnect. So to me, if it as bad as all these countless people are saying, then I should be affected way more if the servers are “so bad”.

I’m no internet/server expert so I’m only pointing out what I’ve been experiencing.

 

[twitcher]

All I’m pointing out is the fact I have Australian internet which is notorious for being worse than most other places and I haven’t encountered one disconnect. So to me, if it as bad as all these countless people are saying, then I should be affected way more if the servers are “so bad”.

I’m no internet/server expert so I’m only pointing out what I’ve been experiencing.

Played with heaps of Aussies who have complained of connectivity issues. Consider yourself lucky I guess.


I don't even know what to do. Call up my ISP,
"Hi, ya, I have a PS4 that plays PCARS 1 no problem, but has issues staying connected with PCARS 2...any suggestions?"

 

[Mr Tree]

Illiterate to the real world is a perfect way to describe it.

And just so people don't get it twisted, I don't care about the skill rating in terms of bragging rights, or anything like that. I only care about it because it's access to lobbies.

I work my ass off all day, and just want to do some racing when I get home. I'm already completely at the mercy of the comminity, so I'm basically stuck doing GT3. On top of that, the number rooms that I can select from goes down as my rating goes down. I already can't connect to lobbies with more than 10 people, and now it's going to take me weeks just to get back to 1400.

Oh, that's right, I tried another lobby last night, DC'd again, so now I'm down to 1353.

I spent all God damn day yesterday dicking around with tire pressures and temps. When I finally got it dialled, I went online, discod twice, and lost 67 points.

Somebody mentioned quality over quantity - right now, I get neither. The only place I can find quality or quantity is in PCARS1.

I'm actually going to do a study this week. Spend an evening playing both PCARS 1, and PCARS 2, and see in which game am I able to turn more racing laps in an evening.

Even if they do pull the cable, so what???????? For all you people who claim to not care about the rating, you sure are keen to keep people in your lobby even if they don't want to be there. Explain how the hell someone leaving has a negative impact on you?

Right...so when a driver spins in a practice session, they get points put on their super license? Doesn't work like that IRL, and it's stupid in the game.

I repeat I do care about the elo-system so saying I don't is completely false.

I don't disconnect on a nightly basis so this can't just be netcode...

And I don't like people leaving the session... If you start a race you finish a race if you don't like that system don't play under the racing liscense...
If it where up to me you'd get a 30min cooldown the first time you leave. Leave again the same day, 1hour...
And it doesn't matter you leave? You realise the entire room gets a lagspike if you leave right? You realise whay happens if you're in ac close duel and suddenly lag...

Why I find it important people stay? I could just as wel be hotlapping if everyone lezves every race....

If you prefer the pC1 system stay there stop pushing the change of a feature that finaly made some people race...

 

[twitcher]

I repeat I do care about the elo-system so saying I don't is completely false.

I don't disconnect on a nightly basis so this can't just be netcode...

And I don't like people leaving the session... If you start a race you finish a race if you don't like that system don't play under the racing liscense...
If it where up to me you'd get a 30min cooldown the first time you leave. Leave again the same day, 1hour...
And it doesn't matter you leave? You realise the entire room gets a lagspike if you leave right? You realise whay happens if you're in ac close duel and suddenly lag...

Why I find it important people stay? I could just as wel be hotlapping if everyone lezves every race....

If you prefer the pC1 system stay there stop pushing the change of a feature that finaly made some people race...

So if your kid starts crying from the other room, or the dog gets out the door...you should be banned from online rooms for an hour? Take a hike pal, get over yourself. Next time I see you in a lobby, I'm running you off the road

 

[Mr Tree]

Even if there were zero discos, I would be in favour of no penalty for leaving the room.

Reward people who finish, reward people who stay, but don't penalize those who prioritize things like real life, or maximizing race time in a narrow evening play-time window.

Like I said before, I could live with -5 for leaving, but would prefer zero.

I get the arguement that preventing people from leaving "enhances the sense of accomplishmention," but I think if you really analyze that notion, you have to ask some pretty honest questions of yourself.

Does having someone sit in the pits for a full race enhance your sense of accomplishment?

Does having someone finish a 10 lap sprint race 4 laps down enhance your sense of sccomplishment?

Imagine a full grid of 16. Lights go out, but only you and one other person move, everyone else "brakes down" on the line. Do you feel more accomplished when you finish of those 14 people stay in the room, than if they leave?


Edit: just to add, re: join lobbies that go straight to the race. Do you actually surf the online lobbies regularly? At any given time of the day, any day of the week, there's a Max of less than 10 lobbies with more than 6 people. Majority of those are GT3. If you want to race in lobbies that have decent population, race with custom setups, race with skill rating either on or off, etc, etc, then you are completely at the mercy of the community. The idea that you can "just join lobby type X" isn't feasible, because those lobbies just don't exist. As far as hosting, I've tried that, and usually DC from my own lobby, or get no one joining (especially if anything but GT3)

Again their is an option for this turn of the racing liscence or if you don't care about your points,... Then don't care about your point znd leave mate.

So if your kid starts crying from the other room, or the dog gets out the door...you should be banned from online rooms for an hour? Take a hike pal, get over yourself. Next time I see you in a lobby, I'm running you off the road

It's not about getting over myself. In my opinion it impolite to leave an in progress game...
It's like playing a boardgame and when you can't win anymore leave... Well the leaver is the prick in this case. Same for online play...

If you know you can be called away you play something singleplayer or something casual, with no racing liscense....

Edit: ow yeah and calling for ramming real nice. The second I see you in a room you get a nice and friendly kick

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

I am risking sounding a bit harsh, but if you’re playing a game that tries to simulate real life as best as it can, some commitment and seriousness is expected.

I only race online if I know I have the time and no other distractions that’ll draw my attention away from the race. If not, I just play career or time trial.

 

[R9NALD9]

Again their is an option for this turn of the racing liscence or if you don't care about your points,... Then don't care about your point znd leave mate.



It's not about getting over myself. In my opinion it impolite to leave an in progress game...
It's like playing a boardgame and when you can't win anymore leave... Well the leaver is the prick in this case. Same for online play...

If you know you can be called away you play something singleplayer or something casual, with no racing liscense....

Edit: ow yeah and calling for ramming real nice. The second I see you in a room you get a nice and friendly kick

I am risking sounding a bit harsh, but if you’re playing a game that tries to simulate real life as best as it can, some commitment and seriousness is expected.

I only race online if I know I have the time and no other distractions that’ll draw my attention away from the race. If not, I just play career or time trial.

I truly get that really. But I have no doubt neither of you have kids. They can 'need you' at any moment. There is no guarantee ever...E.V.E.R.

I only play at night after the missus and kids went to bed just because none of them will ever leave me in peace if I were to play when they are not sleeping. But even then, you just never know. Last night out of the blue with no sign prior to sleeping, my daughter became a bit niggly with her clearly not feeling well. No way to predict that or foresee that she might wake up and need me.

Like I say I don't know what the alternative is but unfortunately I do feel this is a bit of a shotgun approach. Shooting a lot of innocents to punish the guilty.

I wish I didn't care about my license that much but I'm OCD and do...plus the fact that I'm locked out of some lobbies due to this license rating of mine just worsens my obsession with it.

 

[Mr Tree]

I truly get that really. But I have no doubt neither of you have kids. They can 'need you' at any moment. There is no guarantee ever...E.V.E.R.

I only play at night after the missus and kids went to bed just because none of them will ever leave me in peace if I were to play when they are not sleeping. But even then, you just never know. Last night out of the blue with no sign prior to sleeping, my daughter became a bit niggly with her clearly not feeling well. No way to predict that or foresee that she might wake up and need me.

Like I say I don't know what the alternative is but unfortunately I do feel this is a bit of a shotgun approach. Shooting a lot of innocents to punish the guilty.

I wish I didn't care about my license that much but I'm OCD and do...plus the fact that I'm locked out of some lobbies due to this license rating of mine just worsens my obsession with it.

Hey I get having a life. I don't have kids no, but I do understand that indeed you can't always forsee this happening.

But tbh if I was this lucky to have a significant other and kids, I wouldn't care for that stupid elo-number at all.
It's the biggest gift in life and all I'd ever want a family.

Some people don't have that luck.
At the moment the closest I have is my friends. And don't get me wrong 'FOR MY FRIENDS, FOR MY FAMILY!!!' but there is something diffrent to having that significant other

Look at the things you have an cherrish those!

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

I truly get that really. But I have no doubt neither of you have kids. They can 'need you' at any moment. There is no guarantee ever...E.V.E.R.

I only play at night after the missus and kids went to bed just because none of them will ever leave me in peace if I were to play when they are not sleeping. But even then, you just never know. Last night out of the blue with no sign prior to sleeping, my daughter became a bit niggly with her clearly not feeling well. No way to predict that or foresee that she might wake up and need me.

Like I say I don't know what the alternative is but unfortunately I do feel this is a bit of a shotgun approach. Shooting a lot of innocents to punish the guilty.

I wish I didn't care about my license that much but I'm OCD and do...plus the fact that I'm locked out of some lobbies due to this license rating of mine just worsens my obsession with it.

I admit my point of view may be harsh for people like you but, I still stick to it.

The time I dedicate to the online portion of the game it’s my time. If I have other responsibilities, I delegate. If I can’t, I don’t play, at least online.

I think of it as if I were racing in real life. You want to focus and to have as little distractions as possible. I reckon this may not be possible for everyone but maybe this game is not for everyone as it can be time consuming and the commitment needed too much.