Complete American Car List

[Jedi2016]

Have ya seen their HP ratings for 2005, for both cars? Google and then report back to me.

I'll take that bet:

Nissan 350Z: 287hp standard, the "fancy" versions have 300hp for an extra fifteen or twenty thousand dollars. Hardly a monster.

NSX: the larger-engine 3.2 version has 290hp. Again, hardly a monster.

Both cars are sports cars, yes. I'd even classify the NSX as a "high-end" sportscar. But supercars they ain't. Unless you start talking about highly modded versions, Type-R versions, etc. Then they're just... well, modded sports cars. Modifying a sports car to let it compete with supercars does not make that car a supercar.

 

[Omologato]

Still, how close are those to 300? You really cant judge the cars based on HP numbers alone though. If that were the case, I'd hate to see how an ElDorado ETC with it's 300hp did against other cars with that much power. Yikes.

 

[GoatBoyy]

The list includes:

53 Skylines
25 NSXs
21 Lancers
19 Imprezas
17 RX-7s
12 Silvias

I know as my first post i probably shouldnt be complaining, but honestly there is something wrong with this picture. You have half the forum saying "i'd rather have 1000 of X car than 999 of X car and 1 corvette." Then they go on to say how crappy the corvette is compared to the X car. In my last couple of races on gt3 there has been either a corvette and NSX or viper and NSX in the group, and in every single race the nsx lost. Every, single, one. So if this car is so amazing better that it needs an additional 24 models why cant it beat a "piece of crap that uses old technology" in a race. Keep in mind that the corvette's price tag in gt3 is what 30k or 40k or 50k less than the nsx's?

I'm sick of hearing everyone bash the corvette because it isn't a japaneese car. I'm sure about everyone in this forum, but if your going to say that the reason they are leaving out a new great car is old, outdated, inferior technology make sure that the car isnt as good or in this case better, than the cars that you are protecting. The nsx should be a super car for its high price tag but it isnt, and you should stop treating it, and the skyline like they are. Show some respect for cars of other cultures.

I am by no means a car expect, i mean i havent even driven one, but since the GT series is suposedly so realistic i think the results of a race ran by the cpu would show accurate results. Results that render all of your american bashing points useless.

 

[godislex]

acutally the evo's interior is more like $15K car.

The plastics in both are crappy. at least the Evo's 15K cheaper, and has the excuse of being based on a 15K car.

The interiors of the C6 is not that bad. No porsche, but it's not bad. And whats wrong with leaf springs? They seem to be working pretty good as the new z06 is going to pull over a G on the skidpad, stock.
...
Base vette's only $45K. I think it's right where it belongs

Ech, focusing on skidpad numbers is silly, unless you're driving around a skidpad. Grip != handling; I care about transient response through esses, and having a nice linear raise in springing that leaf springs just don't provide the control for. Not to mention the fact that coilovers provide better packaging... The Vette's suspension is a classic design. It works, and works pretty well, but why the hell is it so expensive? The evo has more technology packed in it (active diffs, turbos, coilovers) and costs less. I just don't get where the vette justifies its price. Leaf springs don't cost money to develop anymore, pushrod engines require little expensive development, they are using fiberglass and frame rails, use "modest" interior materials... it just seems like it's 35k worth of car.

And come on. Show me one dealer where you can get a Vette for 45K. At least near NYC, its pretty ridiculous with the dealer markups.

Guess I agree with you there. But woulnd't it be better to lose, say, 25 skylines and have them both?

Sure would. Vette v 911S battle 'round the 'Ring and Lemans would be fantastic.

 

[enricopalazzo]

Just to clarify the Corvette has 1 transverse leafspring; not 2 leafsprings configured like on a truck or older car.

 

[Onlyzone]

Just to clarify the Corvette has 1 transverse leafspring; not 2 leafsprings configured like on a truck or older car.

I thought it was two springs on top of each other mounted transversly. Oh well guess I didn't checkout the pics good enough. I knew it wasn't set up say like the silverado's(just an example).

 

[godislex]

I know as my first post i probably shouldnt be complaining, but honestly there is something wrong with this picture. You have half the forum saying "i'd rather have 1000 of X car than 999 of X car and 1 corvette." Then they go on to say how crappy the corvette is compared to the X car. In my last couple of races on gt3 there has been either a corvette and NSX or viper and NSX in the group, and in every single race the nsx lost. Every, single, one. So if this car is so amazing better that it needs an additional 24 models why cant it beat a "piece of crap that uses old technology" in a race. Keep in mind that the corvette's price tag in gt3 is what 30k or 40k or 50k less than the nsx's?

I'm sick of hearing everyone bash the corvette because it isn't a japaneese car. I'm sure about everyone in this forum, but if your going to say that the reason they are leaving out a new great car is old, outdated, inferior technology make sure that the car isnt as good or in this case better, than the cars that you are protecting. The nsx should be a super car for its high price tag but it isnt, and you should stop treating it, and the skyline like they are. Show some respect for cars of other cultures.

I am by no means a car expect, i mean i havent even driven one, but since the GT series is suposedly so realistic i think the results of a race ran by the cpu would show accurate results. Results that render all of your american bashing points useless.

HA! The CPU's lines/braking/mysterious power boosts make GT3's AI laughable! I'm sure a properly tuned Vette can get around a track just like an NSX, but don't use GT3 to make ANY assumption about how a race in the real world would go; I beat the Polyphony digital cup in an 86 F1 car; put one of those on track with a 94 williams, and the 94 would motor away happily. In the trial mtn enduro, my lap times were way faster than the 2nd place CPU dude; I lapped him. In a spec miata race, its not uncommon to see everyone within a few seconds.

The NSX is expensive, but it's handbuilt, has an alumininum monocoque, and its interior is great. Aging now, but they use quality materials. And the Skyline in japan costs about $35K. I'm not even a huge fan of the GTR, but it's so much more compelling than a Vette. I show respect for cars of many cultures, but Japanese cars are lighter, more efficient, and cheaper than American cars. And european ones are more stylish, exciting and handle better than American cars. America makes some very PRACTICAL cars, but I doubt anyone on this forum cares about innovative cup holding or the latest in foetus cradling. I'd be happy for Ford, GM or Chrysler to prove me wrong, but I doubt they will. Accountants design the cars in Detroit, not engineers.

 

[Jetboy.]

Why has this turned into another Import vs. Domestic flame war?

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

after looking at it again, Yes I'm obsessed too, I noticed that the only cars that were renumerated were cars that spec out the same in the US, Which leads me to believe that the G35 is either tuned down, or over spec for our version.

since the Skyline is much less safety constrained than the US G35, I'm sure its been unchanged from the skyline, which could be done simply be PD shortcutting the G35 sedan specs to the Skyline, and just changing the emblems, which is just a skin change.

Simply put, All of the ORIGINAL cars from the japanese games will probably unlockable by hackers like the Mercedes DTM was in GT2 and the Diablo in GT3... So be on the lookout... WE WILL FIND THEM!!!!

Uh no skylines will just be under Nissan, G35s will be under infinity.
Japan they only put the skyline/g35 coup sedan, as a skyline cuz they only have nissan. Infinity is a US company. Just like Acura. In the USa version we will likely get both. Although they might just flip it. And yes the G35s do make mroe power than the skylines, cuz they are heavier cars so to make up for this they add hp. Also Inifinity just upped the hp on the g35s to 295 or sumthin like that.
But soon enough we will have a skyline here in the states. Will get killed cuz the market segment it will be in is already pretty full and will have even more competition by the time it arrives, but that's okay. 2007 here we come!
New SVT Cobra, new Shelby Mustang, Charger 2 door 425 hp hemi, Camaro returns with SS making 400 hp, GTO gets revamped, Vettes are gettin more and more potent. And these are all in the Skylines segment. The $30,000 to $50,000 sports car range. Cuz we know the Skyline won't be cheap but a GT-R, GT-S, and a standard coupe are prolly versions we will see rangin from $28,000 all the way to $40,000 or more....

 

[Mac_Powah]

The member who thinks Americans are fat and lazy seems to be from Canada. I'd just like to show my appreciation to you, bill d. Thank you for your service to our country and the world. I would like to think that all of those who love German, Japanese, French, Italian, British and Korean cars would be really thankful for us fat, lazy Americans.

Ok...for your information, I did not once call anyone fat and lazy. I said that the cars are made to transport fat people from point A to point B as comfortably as possible. I am not saying anyone in particular was fat...so please don't read my proper English improperly.

And don't even GET me started on "service around the world" lol

 

[Jedi2016]

Why has this turned into another Import vs. Domestic flame war?

Because some people are gullible to the point of thinking that PD specifically left the 'Vette C6 out just so they could add more Japanese cars. Or that they did it out of spite or something. Which is utterly rediculous.

In the end, it's probably no different than the Ferraris and Lamborghinis.. there's no doubt some extenuating circumstances that prevented them from adding the car, that we know nothing about.

But rather than use common sense like that, you just get a bunch of people that babble on about how PD hates America. Those same fanboys then get into the midset that the C6 is the fastest car ever made. That's where the "wars" come into play, when people who can think straight attempt to point out that the C6 is NOT the end-all, be-all of sports cars.

 

[GoatBoyy]

Because some people are gullible to the point of thinking that PD specifically left the 'Vette C6 out just so they could add more Japanese cars. Or that they did it out of spite or something. Which is utterly rediculous.

In the end, it's probably no different than the Ferraris and Lamborghinis.. there's no doubt some extenuating circumstances that prevented them from adding the car, that we know nothing about.

But rather than use common sense like that, you just get a bunch of people that babble on about how PD hates America. Those same fanboys then get into the midset that the C6 is the fastest car ever made. That's where the "wars" come into play, when people who can think straight attempt to point out that the C6 is NOT the end-all, be-all of sports cars.

You are certainly right that it isnt, and wont be, but i find it disappointing that they had time to review so many skylines and nsx's but couldnt get in a new, much improved car. Talk about significant changes this car has 100 more horse power than the current corvette. I really dont mind having 50 variations of a single car, but when they leave out a car that i really wanted in the game, and spend extra time making over 100 variations of 6 different cars, all of which are japaneese, is a little discouraging.

Am I biased....yeah i guess, i really like vettes. So its annoying that they couldnt include this car. I was just pointing out that its rediculous that people would rather have every skyline ever made in a game than have ONE additional car just becuase its "an american piece of crap that cant turn". According to a consumer report i read it outperformed a 90k porsche, granted im not sure on what it was tested on, but that should elevate it above the level of crap.

 

[Zardoz]

It's easy to imagine the following conversations going on last year in the offices of Polyphony Digital, between Kazunori Yamauchi and members of his development team:

PD Dev: "Hey Kaz-san, I can update the C5R paint job for GT4 in a few hours. Shall I go ahead?"

Kaz: "You want to change the yellow-and-white paint scheme from the 2000 version, when it lost at Le Mans, to the all-yellow version like when it finished first and second in the Le Mans GTS class three out of four years?"

PD Dev: "Yeah, exactly! Nothin' to it. I can tweak the power and update the handling a little, too."

Kaz: "You do realize that we're talking about a Chevrolet here, don't you?"

PD Dev: "Oh, yeah. It is, isn't it? Sorry. What was I thinking of?"

And maybe something like this transpired:

PD Dev: "Hey Kaz, now that we're done with the Saleen S7, I was just thinking that I can clone it into the S7R very easily."

Kaz: "The S7R race car, the one that's winning FIA World GT Championship races and giving the Maranellos all kinds of competition everywhere they run into each other?"

PD Dev: "You bet. We can whip up one for GT4 in no time at all."

Kaz: "Where are Saleens made?"

PD Dev: "Irvine, California"

Kaz: "What country is Irvine in?"

PD Dev: "Oh, geez! I forgot. Forgive me, Kaz. It won't happen again."

Kaz: "Let's hope it doesn't."

 

[Cluns1414]

HaHaha.Zardoz.

 

[mplacki]

And yet, doesn't Kaz own a Ford GT? Hmm?

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

I think Zardoz is on to something.

Honestly, what good is having 600 cars when 50 of them are Skylines? That's the true definition of ridiculous. If someone told me that 10% of the cars in GT4 were going to be Skylines I'd think it was a joke.

 

[ViciousCoupling]

it isnt special to the US version but im psyched for the 4wd Starion. Good old rally days before it got as crazy as it is today.

 

[BadBatsuMaru]

The plastics in both are crappy. at least the Evo's 15K cheaper, and has the excuse of being based on a 15K car.


Ech, focusing on skidpad numbers is silly, unless you're driving around a skidpad. Grip != handling; I care about transient response through esses, and having a nice linear raise in springing that leaf springs just don't provide the control for. Not to mention the fact that coilovers provide better packaging... The Vette's suspension is a classic design. It works, and works pretty well, but why the hell is it so expensive? The evo has more technology packed in it (active diffs, turbos, coilovers) and costs less. I just don't get where the vette justifies its price. Leaf springs don't cost money to develop anymore, pushrod engines require little expensive development, they are using fiberglass and frame rails, use "modest" interior materials... it just seems like it's 35k worth of car.

And come on. Show me one dealer where you can get a Vette for 45K. At least near NYC, its pretty ridiculous with the dealer markups.


Sure would. Vette v 911S battle 'round the 'Ring and Lemans would be fantastic.

Dear God. I don't know where to begin. You're mostly just throwing out buzzwords. This thread could be used to teach a class on fallacies. OK, students, point out 10 examples of ad hominem, 10 examples of biased generalization, 10 red herrings and 10 examples of the straw man.

The Z06 out-accelerated the Viper. The Vettes crushed ALM. There really needs to be some legitimate evidence presented if you're going to claim a $30K Evo is a better car than a Vette. Pointing out the lack of leaf springs on the Evo is the argument of an imbecile. It also sounds like several people are discussing the finer points of the interiors of vehicles they haven't been in.

It's downright retarded the way these arguments go. Someone finds one single angle and they just harp on it no matter what anybody says. How is automotive bang-for-the-buck suddenly the most important thing in a video game? If that is really what you're going to argue, you need to realize that the Vette is a sub-$100K car which performs significantly better than many $200K-300K cars.

You can point out the strong points of a car, but try to be at least somewhat intelligent about it. Nobody's going around saying that Maybach makes trash just because an Elise costs 1/20th as much and handles better. Then again, maybe some people are...

 

[wolf8218]

Dear God. I don't know where to begin. You're mostly just throwing out buzzwords. This thread could be used to teach a class on fallacies. OK, students, point out 10 examples of ad hominem, 10 examples of biased generalization, 10 red herrings and 10 examples of the straw man.

The Z06 out-accelerated the Viper. The Vettes crushed ALM. There really needs to be some legitimate evidence presented if you're going to claim a $30K Evo is a better car than a Vette. Pointing out the lack of leaf springs on the Evo is the argument of an imbecile. It also sounds like several people are discussing the finer points of the interiors of vehicles they haven't been in.

It's downright retarded the way these arguments go. Someone finds one single angle and they just harp on it no matter what anybody says. How is automotive bang-for-the-buck suddenly the most important thing in a video game? If that is really what you're going to argue, you need to realize that the Vette is a sub-$100K car which performs significantly better than many $200K-300K cars.

You can point out the strong points of a car, but try to be at least somewhat intelligent about it. Nobody's going around saying that Maybach makes trash just because an Elise costs 1/20th as much and handles better. Then again, maybe some people are...

LOL@BIGWORDS

 

[DriftFD3S]

Atleast he's not being condescending about it.

 

[Jmac279]

According to a consumer report i read it outperformed a 90k porsche, granted im not sure on what it was tested on, but that should elevate it above the level of crap.

It was Car & Driver and the only reason it "beat" the Porsche was because of the Porsche's much greater price ...

Corvette C6 with Z51 Performance Package - $54,240
Porsche 997 Carrera - $76,195

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=8774&page_number=5

As you can see, the Corvette won by 1 point (226 to 225) overall, which hardly makes it "better" ... Also note that the 997 won by 6 points in the Performance categories ...

 

[DriftFD3S]

I have that one, I remember the Corvette was fully loaded. But I'm almost positive the Porsche was a base Carrera S. Don't be afraid to flame and correct me if I'm wrong. Lol.

 

[Zardoz]

And yet, doesn't Kaz own a Ford GT? Hmm?

He does? Well, that explains why the Ford GT is the centerpiece of the intro, huh?

Let me guess: Kaz's car is white.

The man is seriously, unashamedly, flamboyantly self-indulgent. That's fine for him, but not for us when it gets in the way of how much his paying customers around the globe enjoy the product he is producing.

 

[Mr. McShake]

There are also 4 Ford GTs I think. The most of any one model of American car, that is the same body shape.

 

[Jmac279]

I have that one, I remember the Corvette was fully loaded. But I'm almost positive the Porsche was a base Carrera S. Don't be afraid to flame and correct me if I'm wrong. Lol.

Nope, standard 911 Carrera (997) ...

The Corvette had the Z51 package and $8500 in non-performance related options ... The Carrera had $6000 in non-performance related options ...

The Carrera S would've destroyed the Corvette Z51 in handling Even the standard Carrera was considerably better in the handling according to that C&D comparison, scoring 6 points better in the handling department (59/60 vs. 53/60) ...

Remember that the Z51 package is a mostly-handling package that includes:

Suspension upgrades (Stabilizer bars, springs, and shocks)
Wider, higher-grade tires
Larger brakes
Closer-ratio transmission
Special coolers for oil, transmission, and power steering

So if you actually compared a base Corvette to a base Carrera, the Carrera would have even more of an advantage ...

 

[enricopalazzo]

In the March 2005 issue of Road & Track the Corvette ($53,545 w/Z51) beat a Carrera S($91,560) in a 9 sport car comparo. Now only did it win on a value basis(w/o value calculated in most editors thought the Carrera S or the new Bosxter was the best); but it had the fastest track time, beating a Viper SRT-10, the afforementioned Carrera S, and a new Boxster. I'm not particulaly a Corvette fan, just stating the facts.
-By the way this thread has been hijacked.

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

There are also 4 Ford GTs I think. The most of any one model of American car, that is the same body shape.

Yep
Ford GT
Ford GT LM Racer
Ford GT Concept car
oh wait that's 3
and the original Ferrari slayin, 200 mph, left hand drive,
balls to the wall
Gulf Team Ford GT40
That car is a work of art.
the new gt stands taller, is right hand drive, has more hp, bigger motor( even without the blower!), lighter and faster.
But the original GT40, accelerates faster to 60 and sounds like a real american beast. As it should, only the body was made in england, motor and trans where made and designed in the US and shipped over.
Might not be as fast as the new GT, but look at the value for one of the lemans winners!
they won a total of 3 in a row, and 1 year they went 1,2,3.
Against Ferrari, who at the time was king of lemans.
But at the same time the GT40 project began, Ford wanted to beat another opponent at home....
another legend was born, Caroll Shelby....
made the Shelby Cobra. then revamped the whole car with a bigger motor.
And well Ford was beating the vettes, even the shelby mustangs where beating the vettes. And dont' forget the Shelby Daytona coupes! only 5 still exist of the original 6. Worth over $5million, screw those vert hemi cuda's those have onyl pulled $4.1 million. Go figure the car with the FORD motor in it is the msot valuable muscle car to date. And yes it is muscle! Small car, big motor, fast! Meets the muscle car definition. 2 automotive icons in terms of cars, all thanx to 1 company.
Oh and the mustang is still alive and kicking. 40+ years. That's an accomplishment since the only other car stayin alive that long is the vette. Although Chevy never made a car that whooped ferrari's ass......
Still lots of great performing cars that are missing from this game......
2003 or 2004 SVT Mustang Cobra
C6 vette (they had time! press got the car in late august!)
Konigsegg CC8S and CCR
and all these cars that just scream to be in GT4.....
In all honesty, I don't give a rat's ass what KY and his buddies want.
WE are the consumers, agrivate us enough and we will ruin your day, hell maby even your week. IF the next GT4 has a car list this big but still small in many ways, I won't even rent the damn game. I think everyone else should do the same. That list is big, but count how many from each geographic region of the world there are. TOO MANY JAPANESE CARS! Give Austrailia some love! How about them fine BMWs and Audis, and mercedes the mid 30s folks are keen on! Geeze! We need more cars from different regions, not just more of the same....
I don't care if I am *****ing, it's not right to make some game for you and your buddies and say here it's the best of the best...
yeah maby to you it is...
but to the people who will look at the game and see that over half the cars are from japan!
make your games for your buddies on your own damn time KY! Give the fans what they want!
Next game best have atleast 100 american cars! even then your prolly cutting a few good ones out! put a limit on the # of cars per manufacturer. And yes the tuned honda is still a honda! so there is one of their 50 cars for honda. And that count includes prize cars! No bsing around with 500 not seen in car lot skylines!

 

[GILLET]

Yep, about time GT4 is rearing in its rear end up in the United States.

 

[enricopalazzo]

Hopefully this puts pressure on Bill Gates @ Co. to make a real "GT killa'" for people w/ American tastes with more American cars in Forza or Forza 2.

 

[Jmac279]

In the March 2005 issue of Road & Track the Corvette ($53,545 w/Z51) beat a Carrera S($91,560) in a 9 sport car comparo. Now only did it win on a value basis(w/o value calculated in most editors thought the Carrera S or the new Bosxter was the best); but it had the fastest track time, beating a Viper SRT-10, the afforementioned Carrera S, and a new Boxster. I'm not particulaly a Corvette fan, just stating the facts.
-By the way this thread has been hijacked.

Hmmm, didn't read that ...

Found it and the 'Vette did beat it by just over half a second ... which makes it pretty much equal ...

Put a stopwatch on this pair and the Corvette pips the Porsche by barely more than a half-second over the course of a 2-minute-plus lap.

Though many parts of the article suggest that the Carrera would be faster on a tighter track ...

The 187 ft. the Carrera S required to stop from 80 mph — a new R&T record — bests the Ferrari Enzo and Lotus Elise.

In the twisty stuff, both cars carry about the same corner speed, but at different points in the turn. The C6 uses its tires more evenly through the beginning and middle parts of the turn, before transitioning to a slight tail-out attitude in the final third. The 911 gives up a measure of front grip to the Vette approaching the middle of the turn, but responds more positively to rotation, allowing the driver to roll back on power earlier, settle the rear end and accelerate out. In quick transitions, the Vette feels bigger dimensionally, but not necessarily heavier or slower to react. Its steering, however, suffers from a certain numbness, lacking the Porsche's precise feel and nearly telepathic feedback.

The Corvette turns its laps with a combination of power and balance, while the Carrera S gets the job done with agility and grip.

Here's a layout of the track ... As you can see, not a whole lot of turns ...

Also, direct quote from the magazine ...

The 911 Carrera S is almost $35,000 more (as tested) than the Corvette; that's why it didn't win this test, although it should be noted that the 911 did win both the performance and subjective categories.