Controller vs wheel

[humpus]

I had the same problem so I bought me a wheelstandpro. Now I can play from my couch/seat without a problem. It's very sturdy and works very well.

I really have trouble believing that thing is solid. I mean, I've got an whole construction welded together, and even that isn't exactly rock solid.

I think you'll find that GT is specifically designed to be played with the pad. Wheel support is secondary.

So that's why every video of GT5 builds (at PD's Office or at any gameshow) is full is Driving Force GT's?

 

[nyeboy]

I'm a little bit quicker with a wheel than a controller, but it took a lot longer to get to those times than it did with a controller. If I put as much time in to the controller as I did the wheel, I'm quite sure I would be quicker but it's no where near as fun. And that is why I play games, for fun.

 

[TouringDevotee]

I think you'll find that GT is specifically designed to be played with the pad. Wheel support is secondary.

Is there is a system of ranking for input support? Everything has a learning curve, and perhaps that is what is at play.

 

[arora]

I think you'll find that GT is specifically designed to be played with the pad. Wheel support is secondary.

I don't think so, I've been playing ps racing games for over ten years and gt5p was a shock to me as it was the first game I was better served using the wheel(which I suck at), in fact I cannot keep cars on track with the sixaxis.

 

[TokyoDrift]

I don't think so, I've been playing ps racing games for over ten years and gt5p was a shock to me as it was the first game I was better served using the wheel(which I suck at), in fact I cannot keep cars on track with the sixaxis.

You can't keep cars on track with the sixaxis? Puh'lease, cut the melodramatics eh? Of course you can - you just have no other way of articulating the fact that you prefer a wheel.

Kaz makes 100% sure that game plays well with the pad first (even down to the tap-tap-tap method of using the D-pad), because 95%+ of the people who buy the game will play it with the pad.

So you've been playing PS racing games for over 10 years eh? Whooopee freakin' do! Do you want a prize or something?!

 

[humpus]

Kaz makes 100% sure that game plays well with the pad first (even down to the tap-tap-tap method of using the D-pad), because 95%+ of the people who buy the game will play it with the pad.

You can't know that, you're just assuming like anyone else.

Fact is though, every commercial setup from PD has a Driving Force GT. (I'll even challenge you to find me a PD setup for the public with Sixaxes / DualShock 3) Why do you think they invented that wheel in the first place?

So you've been playing PS racing games for over 10 years eh? Whooopee freakin' do! Do you want a prize or something?!

I don't think he does, I think he wants to be treated like a normal person

 

[Raitziger]

Pad controls in GT5 are currrently quite heavily assisted by the game, i think everyone knows this who has a wheel and a standard controller.

 

[TokyoDrift]

You can't know that, you're just assuming like anyone else.

Fact is though, every commercial setup from PD has a Driving Force GT. (I'll even challenge you to find me a PD setup for the public with Sixaxes / DualShock 3) Why do you think they invented that wheel in the first place?

I don't think he does, I think he wants to be treated like a normal person

There are no assumptions at all. Fact is, most gamers will play the game with the pad. Fact is, pad control in the GT series has always been a high priority for Kaz. It's common knowledge that he is equally happy with the tap-tap-tap method of controlling the cars via pad as he is with a wheel (be careful how you choose to interpret that before whining). It's what he had to start out with, and it's what he preserved throughout the series. Hunt around for the videos/interviews if you like.

I'm not saying a pad is better than a wheel, I'm just stating how it is. Commercial setups are completely irrelevant - of course they use wheels and cockpits - far more impressive as a marketing tool.

I'm sure arora can speak up for him/herself.

 

[juniordee]

of course they use wheels and cockpits - far more impressive as a marketing tool.

Also far more impressive when you race. You just can't compare the fun factor and self satisfaction.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Also far more impressive when you race. You just can't compare the fun factor and self satisfaction.

Agreed it can be more fun with a wheel.

 

[Gejost]

If your looking for a quick fix, it may sound stupid but... Use an ironing board. MIne cost £5 have been using it for over a year , still works perfectly. I have my pc monitor on top of it as well as the g25 and it is fully height adjustable. If your looking for a cheap fix look no further.

Good find.

I really have trouble believing that thing is solid. I mean, I've got an whole construction welded together, and even that isn't exactly rock solid.

You will be surprised how solid it is. I even have the standard version:

You can see that they made the G25 version wider:

They did this because the G25 has stronger forcefeedback. But I can assure you that even the standard version is very very solid. It has a very sturdy construction and it's quite heavy, so it doesn't move while playing. I only had it wiggle twice but that was because I was doing silly with my little brother, which means I was playing like a lunatic at that moment.

I can really recommend this although it is a bit pricey.

 

[humpus]

There are no assumptions at all.

Yes, there are.

Fact is, most gamers will play the game with the pad. Fact is, pad control in the GT series has always been a high priority for Kaz.

I never denied that.

It's common knowledge that he is equally happy with the tap-tap-tap method of controlling the cars via pad as he is with a wheel (be careful how you choose to interpret that before whining).

You seem to know him pretty well.

It's what he had to start out with, and it's what he preserved throughout the series. Hunt around for the videos/interviews if you like.

The fact that they started out with it doesn't mean it's still their main priority. They developed an entire new wheel with very precise feedback, as you know. Priorities shift. (I'm not saying to what extend, we can't know that)

Commercial setups are completely irrelevant - of course they use wheels and cockpits - far more impressive as a marketing tool.

Irrelevant? That's your argument?
Do you have any idea how many people would buy a wheel of they had the money?

 

[DK]

Kaz makes 100% sure that game plays well with the pad first (even down to the tap-tap-tap method of using the D-pad), because 95%+ of the people who buy the game will play it with the pad.

I gave up on the D-Pad a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago...

 

[markoc84]

I have recently taken the plunge and bought a G25 and i can honestly say that it is the best purchase i have made since buying my ps3 in the first place. I built a fairly rickety stand out of some wood in the garage but it works well enough. The level of control you have to put in is immense, but the amount of fun i have had just playing around with it is so much more than just a DS3. I would recommend buying a wheel to all GT users, its worth the money. I even sold some things on e-bay to make up the money.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Yes, there are.

No, there aren't.

I never denied that.

Did I say you denied that?

You seem to know him pretty well.

If by that you mean I can read articles and watch/listen to video footage, then yes.

The fact that they started out with it doesn't mean it's still their main priority. They developed an entire new wheel with very precise feedback, as you know. Priorities shift. (I'm not saying to what extend, we can't know that)

Just because they developed a wheel, does not make it their priority. It's important, yes, but the fact remains that most people will play the game with a pad. Therefore, Kaz makes sure it handles well with it. Like I said, I'm not saying a pad is better, but people will infer whatever they like...

Irrelevant? That's your argument?
Do you have any idea how many people would buy a wheel of they had the money?

Yes, totally irrelevant in the context of your debate. As for people not having money - funny how they can afford a TV, PS3, and games for it... Sure, if everybody had money to burn, a lot more would have wheels and cockpits. However, a lot of people do have the money to cover the cost of a wheel, but choose not to for a number of reasons. Believe it or not, not everybody who buys Gran Turismo is bothered about replicating reality as closely as possible. It's still just a game.

@driftking18594, good for you. I stopped using the D-Pad a long time ago as well - right after the game supported Dual Shock and the analogue sticks. Your point is? It still doesn't change the fact that most people play the game with the pad. Unlike humpty dumpty above, I really don't care what the reasons for this are - playing the "if they had money" game is pathetic.

 

[skazz]

Good find.
You will be surprised how solid it is. I even have the standard version:

I can really recommend this although it is a bit pricey.

I've got the competitor product (Fanatec's Rennsport wheelstand) and I can also vouch for it.

The point about their design is that they have a big wide base on which the pedals are placed, and you are pressing down on that base with your feet. This, plus how wide the base is, ensures very good stability.

Of course you can make it wobble if you try hard enough, but for something which has to be strong, stable and light all at the same time it does a great job. I can easily lift mine in one hand, walk it over to the corner of the room when not using it: No effort required.

There are various threads about wheel stands in the controller forum. Anyone who is interested can find pictures and links there.

 

[arora]

You can't keep cars on track with the sixaxis? Puh'lease, cut the melodramatics eh? Of course you can - you just have no other way of articulating the fact that you prefer a wheel.

Not true, I prefer using a pad.

Kaz makes 100% sure that game plays well with the pad first (even down to the tap-tap-tap method of using the D-pad), because 95%+ of the people who buy the game will play it with the pad.

I hope that is true for the full version of gt5 but I don't think it's true of 5p.

So you've been playing PS racing games for over 10 years eh? Whooopee freakin' do! Do you want a prize or something?!

Nope, was simply stating that I've played lots of racing games on the ps and never felt so useless with the pad.

BTW refering to another one of you posts; I didn't realize I needed to defend myself for having an opinion on the mater of wheel vs controller. Are you always so hostile?

EDIT: I guess I'm not the only one you rub the wrong way eh?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3675891&postcount=1726

 

[humpus]

Unlike humpty dumpty above, I really don't care what the reasons for this are - playing the "if they had money" game is pathetic.

Aren't we in a big christmas spirit today

I'm not even going to bother replying to all the other pointless statements you just made.

I'm glad I bought a wheel, and I, like many others, truly enjoy myself with it.
I can't control the cars with the Dual Shock the way I can with the wheel.
I think PD has put a lot of effort into providing good support for all the available wheels, and I'm glad for that.

And for the record, I think you are pathetic.

 

[Wools]

I was on holiday with my parents when I was a lad the week Gran Turismo was released. Along with the game I brought the Analogue Controller, not the Duel Shock but the original Analogue Controller, and I’ve been using a Pad ever since.

I’ve always been a massive fan of Motorsport and by extension, a huge racing game enthusiast. However I’ve never been able to justify the huge expense that a good wheel commands and would never let such a big controller take over my living room or my life!

Although I know of the advantages of using one, I will only ever use a controller, it’s just too much.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

@ Tokyodrift, you use a DualShock to play GT5?

If so will you be downloading the demo?

If so, what region are you in?

And what is your PSN ID, that way we can all see if the pad is quicker than the wheel.

And I'm sure I saw in footage of the demo that the game registers what input method you use, maybe this will be displayed in the TT league.

When I first played GT i used the dual shock, then I bought a wheel, and once you get used to it it is really alot more satisfying.

I think you'll find that GT is designed to be as playable with a wheel as it is with a controller, anyway, who cares? I would never go back to using a controller simply because you don't drive a real car with a controller.

And I doubt if a company like Logitech would make GT branded wheels for a game that had only secondary support for it, to suggest so is just plain foolish.

 

[Hoodie1878]

In some ways I would rather use a wheel and be slower than use a controller (which I'm not). At least I feel alive.

I have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in real life, using a wheel makes the game tangible because of that. I have spent loads of time driving with controllers since the dawn of time but this generation is all about the FF wheel. PD have their own Physics department dedicated to the factors that contribute to the FEEL of your car, don't waste that time and effort. Watch the Tanner Faust video on PSN again if you want convincing of the instant real time information you get from the feedback.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

In the end, choose whichever is more comfortable. I choose the controller for comfort because I like to lie down and relax (but I wouldn't mind a wheel if my room were bigger).

 

[Bandit6]

I haven't played GT with a controller in ages, but I'm forced to currently because my new G25 hasn't shipped yet. Horrible times with the controller, accuracy is all over the place and trying to control over steer with a controller is a hair pulling experience.

 

[dakster]

I haven't played GT with a controller in ages, but I'm forced to currently because my new G25 hasn't shipped yet. Horrible times with the controller, accuracy is all over the place and trying to control over steer with a controller is a hair pulling experience.

Agreed. I struggle with the controller as well. Going into town this morning to pick up a DFGT. Might not make me a better driver ( as i'm rubbish anyway ) but i know i'll enjoy GT5p a lot more and hopefully improve 👍

 

[Fisterolfert]

In the setup menu in GT academy I can`t see the G25 as an option.
Isen`t it supported?

 

[Hoodie1878]

I
I’ve always been a massive fan of Motorsport and by extension, a huge racing game enthusiast. However I’ve never been able to justify the huge expense that a good wheel commands and would never let such a big controller take over my living room or my life!QUOTE]

Just don't go to a British Grand Prix one year, or miss the rally or touring cars event you had planned and get a wheel? That's what I did, there's always next year, it's worth it.

As a rule though, you can't really call yourself a huge racing game enthusiast if you haven't got a wheel or even want one.

It's like MASSIVE Liverpool/Man U/Chelsea fans that never go to the game! You're not one of them too are you?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I'm using the DS3 and am in the top 80 in America for the time trial demo. I ask myself, is it worth it to shuffle over 150 bucks for a wheel? It'd probably be a lot of fun, but it isn't in any way necessary. Not by any means.

 

[pLiDeX]

it isn't necessary, but it improves a lot the driving experience, i can't imagine to play a racing game without a wheel

 

[Vuduegg]

There is no possible way I could go back to playing GT with a controller and enjoy the game after using a G25 wheel for a couple of years now....even if that meant sacrificing the possibility of actually getting better laptimes, because for me, the sensation of driving is just as important as, if not more than, getting a faster laptime.

 

[Neal]

Amazon UK have got the DFGT for £49.99, I've posted this in other threads but it's such a good price I'm sure no one will mind!

edit...it's back up to £75, glad I got mine ordered in time but doubt I'll get it before Christmas