Corvette C7

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wasn't talking about HP only, but performance in general.

In general I'm talking about the same thing, the issue is that the Z06 could be optioned out to the standard of a ZR1 minus the engine obviously. The power is usually what GM tends to bump up when touting a upper class version of a base model. The only recent Z/28 which is about 70 or whatever less in power than the ZL1, differs from what GM usually do.

With that in mind that is why I have to assume that power is the primary upgrade, that doesn't mean other things wont be done as well.

They might focus on something other than power. The Corvette has been trying to go world class and all that. The ZR1 was already world class in a straight line, but maybe a bit rougher around a track (ironically worse than the Z06 arguably) and in the interior. A high end C7 model might aim to solve these issues. Maybe it won't be a ZR1 at all, but something entirely different.

The ZR1 perfored better on tracks than certain AWD super cars, I don't understand how is supposedly did poor. Maybe if this were a GT500 conversation I could see your point... The Z06 and ZR1 could go in a corner and a straight the problem was engines response on the ZR1 compared to the older Z06 and why some of us have issue with the new one being supercharged. However, if this torque and even power curve is to be believed then this car should be comparable to the outgoing N/A if not better. And not have the same torque peak issues of the others. For the interior bit that's subjective to me.

Maybe then those cars are the only ones left to aim for.

Why? What does GM have to gain from trying to make a Vette that competes with Halo cars in the list shown by @Organ-Donor, when they can just keep dominating and refining the class they're in, Super Cars.

But this happened already in 2005. That Z06 was more powerful than the last ZR1 (though there was a bit of a time gap there), within 80 HP of Lamborghini, 100 behind the upcoming Ferrari V-12 (and 150 behind the existing flagship V-12), ahead of every Porsche that wasn't a V-10, equal with the Viper, and only 50 behind Ford's revived halo car. I think the C7 Z06 may be a little further up than the one in 2005, but in terms of HP only by a little bit.

And rightly so the C4 ZR1 was outdated the C5 Z06 was newer and should have had more power. As for that time frame the stage of Super Cars was different. You don't have a Nissan Super car that was international on the same page as well established groups, nor did you have McLaren, Lexus, Mercedes, etc doing this. The field is much larger in both Super car and Hyper car areas and the eras aren't so easily comparable.

 

[Exorcet]

In general I'm talking about the same thing, the issue is that the Z06 could be optioned out to the standard of a ZR1 minus the engine obviously. The power is usually what GM tends to bump up when touting a upper class version of a base model. The only recent Z/28 which is about 70 or whatever less in power than the ZL1, differs from what GM usually do.

With that in mind that is why I have to assume that power is the primary upgrade, that doesn't mean other things wont be done as well.

Well I can agree with all of that. I'm not saying that a ZR1 is imminent, but the Z06 does leave room above it. Whether GM wants to fill that and how is an open question.

The ZR1 perfored better on tracks than certain AWD super cars, I don't understand how is supposedly did poor. Maybe if this were a GT500 conversation I could see your point... The Z06 and ZR1 could go in a corner and a straight the problem was engines response on the ZR1 compared to the older Z06 and why some of us have issue with the new one being supercharged. However, if this torque and even power curve is to be believed then this car should be comparable to the outgoing N/A if not better. And not have the same torque peak issues of the others. For the interior bit that's subjective to me.

The ZR1 was quick but it wasn't favored for its feel through the corners. It's not that it did poorly, but that the handling was the favorite thing for journalists to talk about besides the interior. GM did address this as the car evolved though, which the Corvette did continuously in all forms.

Besides changing engine response the supercharger added quite a bit of weight and made the car front heavy. Those are two of the things I was worried about as well, but the C7 is probably better packaged and set up for this engine in any case.

The interior is subjective yes, but the general feeling toward it in reviews is an objective measure.

Why? What does GM have to gain from trying to make a Vette that competes with Halo cars in the list shown by @Organ-Donor, when they can just keep dominating and refining the class they're in, Super Cars.

Well if they take over two classes, that's more sales. They would also be the only large US manufacturer in that bracket which could help set them apart from their competitors in terms of perception. I don't really see why they wouldn't want to expand, they're a business. Sometimes it makes sense to sit where you are, but if you can grow you grow.

And rightly so the C4 ZR1 was outdated the C5 Z06 was newer and should have had more power. As for that time frame the stage of Super Cars was different. You don't have a Nissan Super car that was international on the same page as well established groups, nor did you have McLaren, Lexus, Mercedes, etc doing this. The field is much larger in both Super car and Hyper car areas and the eras aren't so easily comparable.

I don't really see the difference between eras except for how old the last ZR1 was at the time. The field is larger but the Z06 is still relatively high in performance for not much money. The car isn't tested yet so it's hard to pin down exactly how it steps up, but that HP chart posted would look pretty similar in 2005-2006. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made one back then. It would look much the same except there would be no McLaren to list besides the very old F1. Interestingly enough the F1 would be in second place behind a Ferrari and above a Porsche, just like the P1.

 

[Cale]

I don't think it's really an open question since GM has already said no ZR1.

 

[McLaren]

It's likely along the lines of the GT2 with Porsche; they're not going to just build because they're expected to. There has to be a market/reason to warrant the car.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well I can agree with all of that. I'm not saying that a ZR1 is imminent, but the Z06 does leave room above it. Whether GM wants to fill that and how is an open question.

Well I'd say theoretically there could always be room above any top car. Even the ZR1 could have had something. But much like what Porsche are doing the the GT2, I think GM are doing the same with the ZR1.

The ZR1 was quick but it wasn't favored for its feel through the corners. It's not that it did poorly, but that the handling was the favorite thing for journalists to talk about besides the interior. GM did address this as the car evolved though, which the Corvette did continuously in all forms.

Besides changing engine response the supercharger added quite a bit of weight and made the car front heavy. Those are two of the things I was worried about as well, but the C7 is probably better packaged and set up for this engine in any case.

The interior is subjective yes, but the general feeling toward it in reviews is an objective measure.

For the subjective part I'm placing it one what you and I think. I really don't care what car Journos think on the subject, must like I really don't care for film critic reviews.

I can understand where you've come from on the rest of it though. The Vette if not driven carefully or with confidence would bite you in the corner, if tamed though through the driver you'd be rewarded. Which was more of my point on that.

Well if they take over two classes, that's more sales. They would also be the only large US manufacturer in that bracket which could help set them apart from their competitors in terms of perception. I don't really see why they wouldn't want to expand, they're a business. Sometimes it makes sense to sit where you are, but if you can grow you grow.

The problem though as you've pointed out already is even if they could compete with Hyper/halo cars...they can't and attitude of those who buy those type of cars is why. It has to have a certain exotic tone to it that you wouldn't get in a "normal" super car and then the image of the brand you're buying from Chevy. Too many people will see it as still a Vette like so many did and claimed the the LFA (this changed I'd say as it came to its end) was still just a Lexus. Not giving credit to it being an engineered master piece. So why waste the effort to get attention from a crowd like that? Maybe you're right and they'll give it a try. I mean hell they put the SS on market here and it doesn't really have any competition.

I don't really see the difference between eras except for how old the last ZR1 was at the time. The field is larger but the Z06 is still relatively high in performance for not much money. The car isn't tested yet so it's hard to pin down exactly how it steps up, but that HP chart posted would look pretty similar in 2005-2006. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made one back then. It would look much the same except there would be no McLaren to list besides the very old F1. Interestingly enough the F1 would be in second place behind a Ferrari and above a Porsche, just like the P1.

My mistake I thought you were comparing the C5 or maybe I'm not understanding you correctly in this portion, again?

 

[Organ-Donor]

I don't think it's really an open question since GM has already said no ZR1.

As I agree and don't think a ZR1 will happen, GM wants all eyes on the Z06, even hinting at a future ZR1 possibility would be stupid and could effect Z06 sales. But anything could happen years down the C7 life cycle.

But like others have said they're not going to build one just because they're expected to. The Z06 is powerful enough and S/C now and seems like 650hp/torque is sufficient. Like I said before I'd like to see a lighter hardcore limited edition Z06 made.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I wonder if Pratt & Miller still owns the rights to 'RS' because that name would fit pretty well. Z06-RS or perhaps just even C7-RS, but instead of rally sport in traditional GM lore, it would stand for Racing-Street, hinting at a street version of the C7R.

 

[Organ-Donor]

"Z06.R" would be cool as a hardcore version, going along with the C7.R moniker.

...it would stand for Racing-Street, hinting at a street version of the C7R.

They already stated the Z06 was developed closely with the C7.R so they engineered them sharing a lot of the same functions so the Z06 being a reflection of a road going C7.R. They want that to be a main attraction of the Z06, how it shares its technology and R&D so closely with the race car. But a "Z06.R" could be an even more extreme hardcore version.

 

[Exorcet]

My mistake I thought you were comparing the C5 or maybe I'm not understanding you correctly in this portion, again?

No, I meant the C6. I skipped the C5 because there was no ZR1 C5.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, I meant the C6. I skipped the C5 because there was no ZR1 C5.

Okay then forget that portion, since for some reason I thought you were making a comparison to how there was a ZR1 then wasn't one. And possibly saying the same for this sequence again. Never mind though.

 

[JohnBM01]

I have been seeing a few more Corvette C7s on the road lately here around the Houston/Galveston area. I still think the car could have been styled a whole lot better, but you can't help but turn your head seeing these things on the road. I saw a C7 in a beautiful blue color. Kind of like a Sapphire Blue that I usually use in a lot of my online work. I guess it was Laguna Blue Tintcoat I saw it in, but it was a beautiful blue. This is still a head-turner even if you don't like it, sort of like it, or whatever.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I've decided the front is gorgeous, the back is exotic, and the side is....weird.

It looks crunched-up somehow. I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't quite work. The C6 was near-perfect in profile. I think it's a mass thing. The front looks very 'light' whereas the rear looks rather heavy. It needs more balance. I wonder if an FRC version might look better.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Just as with the C6, I cant look at the base model the same after seeing the widebody Z06. It looks so much meaner and makes the base look scrawny. My only gripe with the C7 is the lower part of the rear being black. I wish there was an option to have the entire rear paint color.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Just as with the C6, I cant look at the base model the same after seeing the widebody Z06. It looks so much meaner and makes the base look scrawny. My only gripe with the C7 is the lower part of the rear being black. I wish there was an option to have the entire rear paint color.

I was the same way the last base model that made sense to it's super car variant was the C5. Last gen and this gen, were like night and day between the two and made it seem like a base version was a poor mans toy that was arguably less significant than the SS to the ZL1 or Z/28

 

[Slash]

Well that didn't take long.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Just looks like a bodykitted C6.

If people want a C6, there's no shortage of them on the market. The entire point of the C7 design is to not be stuck in the past.

 

[TopherDL]

My sentiments as well, but it's their money I guess. I thought the C6 design was nice evolution, but the C7 (specifically the Z06) is by far my favorite. Very forward thinking.

 

[Slash]

Mostly everyone I have talked to say it's the sharpest looking Vette they've seen in a LONG time.

 

[Exorcet]

Just looks like a bodykitted C6.

If people want a C6, there's no shortage of them on the market. The entire point of the C7 design is to not be stuck in the past.

I'd rather be stuck in the past then look bad (IMO), and more than looks I'd want the better chassis. A C6 kit for the C7 makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I've seen a few C7s around, and they look fantastic. They look even better on the road and in action than they do sitting at a show.

 

[Slash]

I've seen a few C7s around, and they looks fantastic. They look even better on the road and in action than they do sitting at a show.

I fully agree. The first one I saw was the dark-ish blue one, and my jaw went to the floor. Man that thing stood out. I have also seen a yellow one on the lot and it's been getting a lot of attention by the public.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I fully agree. The first one I saw was the dark-ish blue one, and my jaw went to the floor. Man that thing stood out. I have also seen a yellow one on the lot and it's been getting a lot of attention by the public.

There's a white one around here, I've seen it twice on the same road. Wow.

 

[Slash]

I'm not crazy about GM, but man, they knocked this one out of the ballpark. If you haven't had the pleasure of seeing one on the street, you're missing out. It's insane. The fact that it's drawing a ton of attention from non car enthusiasts is pretty cool.

 

[VXR]

The only thing I'd change is that body colour bar on the roof before the rear window. Should be black to match the roof.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I've seen few on the streets. It does have a presence, but they really need to introduce a bread and butter model without all bells and whistles, and with a V6 to make Corvette ownership more appealing to masses.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I've seen few on the streets. It does have a presence, but they really need to introduce a bread and butter model without all bells and whistles, and with a V6 to make Corvette ownership more appealing to masses.

That's why Camaro's exist. If it isn't W&N or someone like him pushing V8s on us all it's you pushing V6s and I4s, you just can't win on GTP.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I've seen quite a lot now. I'm actually most surprised at how small they look. More compact looking than the C6 for sure.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Well that didn't take long.

That was a render that came out a long time ago. Also notice how the transmission/rear differential cooling vent "fang" is missing from where it was on the side of the taillights on the C7. Not sure how that functional vent is able to be blocked with the C6 rear.

 

[Azure Flare]

People that are afraid of change hate the C7's taillights. I think they're dead sexy.

 

[Zenith]

People that are afraid of change hate the C7's taillights. I think they're dead sexy.

Like a prostitute's eye-liner. I hate them because they're ugly.