Corvette C7

[20832]

No because your link basically is quoting what was quoted in that thread, the actual motor trend article which talks about the C7 ZR1 being mid engine (if one were to even come out). It also talks about the C8 being standard mid engine if I remember correctly. I mean it's fine to think that but there is an entire thread already about it and people are going to tell you to go their too.

Well, like I said, I haven't seen the thread

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well, like I said, I haven't seen the thread

That's why I linked it to you in the quote

 

[Exorcet]

2,000lbs? It wouldn't be a Corvette anymore; the Daytona Prototype alone doesn't even weigh that less.

Maybe not 2000 lbs exactly, but closer to that than 4000 lbs. Most race cars have weight regulations anyway. Even down to 2,500 lbs or so, you might have to give up a few things compared to the standard car, or expect a price hike, but for the former I'd willingly pay without an issue.

You could probably cut down the price a bit more by giving up power, but I don't know if that would be popular. HP is cheaper than extreme weight loss and in some cases a better marketing tool.

 

[McLaren]

Maybe not 2000 lbs exactly, but closer to that than 4000 lbs. Most race cars have weight regulations anyway. Even down to 2,500 lbs or so, you might have to give up a few things compared to the standard car, or expect a price hike, but for the former I'd willingly pay without an issue.

You could probably cut down the price a bit more by giving up power, but I don't know if that would be popular. HP is cheaper than extreme weight loss and in some cases a better marketing tool.

You're giving up far, far more than a "few things" to push the weight down to 2,500lbs. Even with weight regulations, how much of a C6 ZR1 is gone for Pratt & Miller to get the C6R down to 2,745lbs?

It's simply not going to be feasible without the car just becoming the equivalent of a Z/28; a car best left alone on the track that can just barely get you home at the end of the day.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You're giving up far, far more than a "few things" to push the weight down to 2,500lbs. Even with weight regulations, how much of a C6 ZR1 is gone for Pratt & Miller to get the C6R down to 2,745lbs?

It's simply not going to be feasible without the car just becoming the equivalent of a Z/28; a car best left alone on the track that can just barely get you home at the end of the day.

Do you have the stats to use the C7 since it is a bit more relevant I can't find them. Also on the Z/28, look how much the price goes up from that to the SS or even the next tier Camaro (ZL1)

 

[McLaren]

According to Pratt & Miller, the new Z06 & C7R follow the same trend behind the ZR1 & the C6R. They'll share the same frames except now the Z06 & C7R frames are built in the same plant. The new Z06 weighs in at 3,524lbs. and whilst Pratt & Miller haven't released the C7R's weight, Autocar UK said it expected to tip in at 1,245kg or 2,744lbs. to continue meeting weight regulations, so I assume that's with P&M having to put weight back on the car to meet it. So, I'm guessing a 2,500lbs. Corvette at the end of the day would end up looking like the C7R unrestricted seeing as you need to rip out 1,000lbs. of the current Z06 to get that desired weight.

 

[Exorcet]

You're giving up far, far more than a "few things" to push the weight down to 2,500lbs. Even with weight regulations, how much of a C6 ZR1 is gone for Pratt & Miller to get the C6R down to 2,745lbs?

Well keeping with the current materials used in the road car is going to push the weight up. Auto industry materials usually don't put a huge amount of value on weight. The older GT1 class cars were hitting 2500 lbs if I remember. Sub 3000 lbs isnt' unheard of for road cars, even if it's rare. Both the stripped out Saleen S7 and the streetable McLaren F1 were under 2800.

Safety and emissions regulations become a bigger and bigger issue though, and that tends to push weight up along with consumer demands for more technology to be stuffed into cars.

It's simply not going to be feasible without the car just becoming the equivalent of a Z/28; a car best left alone on the track that can just barely get you home at the end of the day.

That's the easiest way of doing it, though it would be fine in my opinion. Especially if this is going to be a performance version in a lineup of other models.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well keeping with the current materials used in the road car is going to push the weight up. Auto industry materials usually don't put a huge amount of value on weight. The older GT1 class cars were hitting 2500 lbs if I remember. Sub 3000 lbs isnt' unheard of for road cars, even if it's rare. Both the stripped out Saleen S7 and the streetable McLaren F1 were under 2800.

Safety and emissions regulations become a bigger and bigger issue though, and that tends to push weight up along with consumer demands for more technology to be stuffed into cars.


That's the easiest way of doing it, though it would be fine in my opinion. Especially if this is going to be a performance version in a lineup of other models.

Those cars did that while being highly expensive though and using exotic materials of every fashion. Hell the F1 used gold foil to heat shield, this is GM we're talking about.

I guess I can understand a carbon track edition option that has no radio and other amenities but most people aren't going to want that.

 

[Azure Flare]

For as long as the Corvette has existed, there have always been rumors about a mid-engine one.

I will NEVER believe for a second that there will ever be a mid-engine Corvette.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For as long as the Corvette has existed, there have always been rumors about a mid-engine one.

I will NEVER believe for a second that there will ever be a mid-engine Corvette.

Okay...calm down there Azure it's going to be okay.

 

[McLaren]

Well keeping with the current materials used in the road car is going to push the weight up. Auto industry materials usually don't put a huge amount of value on weight. The older GT1 class cars were hitting 2500 lbs if I remember. Sub 3000 lbs isnt' unheard of for road cars, even if it's rare. Both the stripped out Saleen S7 and the streetable McLaren F1 were under 2800.

Safety and emissions regulations become a bigger and bigger issue though, and that tends to push weight up along with consumer demands for more technology to be stuffed into cars.

You're talking about a stripped out version of an already extremely lightweight supercar & a car where they had to have the audio system custom manufactured because they were so obsessed over weight. I don't see Chevrolet going that far, esp. with the way regulations are now compared to 10 & 20 years ago.

That's the easiest way of doing it, though it would be fine in my opinion. Especially if this is going to be a performance version in a lineup of other models.

The problem is the Z/28 at the end of the engineering still only got rid of 300lbs. off the ZL1.

A ZL1 however, weighs 4,120lbs., which is only 200lbs. more than a regular SS. So, the track-oriented Z/28 really shaved off 100lbs. off a regular SS. Granted the engineers at GM had a heavy car to start with compared to a Corvette platform, it still has to be noted that included the deletion of A/C, thinner glass, removing sound deadening, light battery, no radio, & so forth. That's a lot of features that are already considered just standard equipment that people will want & only 100lbs. gone off the standard SS. There's no way a current Z06 could be made street legal without being in a notoriously niche market to shave even 400-500lbs.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

He could just get the C6 Z06 Carbon and be happy with the 3150 curb weight, or hope for a C7 version like it, but I'm pretty sure they're doing the same carbon styling like they did on the ZR1.

 

[Exorcet]

You're talking about a stripped out version of an already extremely lightweight supercar & a car where they had to have the audio system custom manufactured because they were so obsessed over weight. I don't see Chevrolet going that far, esp. with the way regulations are now compared to 10 & 20 years ago.

I think that's fair to say, but I also think that part of the weight issue is just down to interest rather than purely technological limitations. No one except the higher end auto makers tend to play with the best materials. Though this may end up changing in the future. Project's like Ford's lightweight Fusion should be applicable to performance as well as economy. Hopefully as manufacturer interest picks up, they get better at working with light weight material and the market for it expands, lowering cost. Right now the aerospace industry sees the best (and most expensive) material, but it can allow you to do some neat stuff:

http://www.thundermustang.com/about-tm/
A WWII scaled fighter replica, lighter than the Z06.

The problem is the Z/28 at the end of the engineering still only got rid of 300lbs. off the ZL1.

When I said easy, I was comparing it to keeping the car full of standard equipment while dropping the weight. I agree that you'd never hit below 3000 lbs without changing structural material.

For reference, Katech was able to drop around half as much weight from the C6 Z06 according to C/D:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/katech-corvette-z06-clubsport-specialty-file

A ZL1 however, weighs 4,120lbs., which is only 200lbs. more than a regular SS. So, the track-oriented Z/28 really shaved off 100lbs. off a regular SS. Granted the engineers at GM had a heavy car to start with compared to a Corvette platform, it still has to be noted that included the deletion of A/C, thinner glass, removing sound deadening, light battery, no radio, & so forth. That's a lot of features that are already considered just standard equipment that people will want & only 100lbs. gone off the standard SS. There's no way a current Z06 could be made street legal without being in a notoriously niche market to shave even 400-500lbs.

I'm not sure about comparing the SS. It's less powerful and going to see less stress, which is probably part of the reason it's lighter. If there was less focus on power, you could cut the power and try to save even more weight, but that's not very popular. It also gets more difficult with tighter vehicle regulations, but there aren't many examples to explore, again going back to manufacturers being uninterested in light weight vehicles.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So Katech did what GM did later on with the Carbon version...which I already said seems to be more of what you'd like than what is currently in store.

 

[Organ-Donor]

I guess I can understand a carbon track edition option that has no radio and other amenities but most people aren't going to want that.

I agree but would still like to see a small limited edition run, as there would be some buyers. But the large majority will want all the amenities. Hell I even think the new to Z06 auto tranny will be VERY popular, and the vert as well. The Z06 now pleases the old school Z06 roots buyer with the manual gearbox (the s/c still pisses some off), and then adds a new more casual buyer with the vert + auto tranny. These options will help the Z sell very well.

 

[Exorcet]

So Katech did what GM did later on with the Carbon version...which I already said seems to be more of what you'd like than what is currently in store.

To be honest, the Katech and Carbon are pretty average in my opinion. 3000+ lbs is a heavy car. You would need to design the car with the new target weight in mind to get what I'm really looking for.

 

[Organ-Donor]

To be honest, the Katech and Carbon are pretty average in my opinion. 3000+ lbs is a heavy car. You would need to design the car with the new target weight in mind to get what I'm really looking for.

One of the Z06's selling points is a very fast track capable car that can beat cars costing twice & three times as much around a track. When you use much lighter weight materials that drives the cost way up, it negates the low price selling point. Start pulling out amenities to save weight on top of that then you have an expensive loud car that's bare bones interior wise which would drive the majority of buyers away when they could get for example a Porsche 991 Turbo S, or another car for around that price or more. That goes against everything the Z06/Corvette is about...fast car, low cost.

And I disagree, 3000 lbs isn't a heavy car. Look at the weight of mid-high level exotics, even the McLaren 650s tips 3000 lbs and that's considered very light.

 

[Exorcet]

One of the Z06's selling points is a very fast track capable car that can beat cars costing twice as much around a track. When you use much lighter weight materials that drives the cost way up, it negates the low price selling point. Start pulling out amenities to save weight on top of that then you have an expensive loud car that's bare bones interior wise which would drive the majority of buyers away when they could get for example a Porsche 911 Turbo or another car around the price.

A 911 Turbo would be nothing compared to a light weight Corvette. If they brought the weight down to 2,500 lbs, you'd be competing with the McLaren P1, with only a LS7, let alone the current C7's 650 HP. If that cost $300,000 so be it. It would handily undercut the price of performance competitors. The people wanting the 911 fighter could stick with the more rounded models.

If you wanted a light weight car closer to the regular model's price, it would probably take some sacrifices. You might not develop a higher performance engine and just use the base engine for the entire range. The extra price on performance models would go solely to weight reduction and perhaps suspension/aero.

And I disagree, 3000 lbs isn't a heavy car. Look at the weight of mid-high level exotics, even the McLaren 650s tips 3000 lbs and that's considered very light.

Yes it is considered light, but that doesn't change the fact that it's hundreds of pounds heavier than other road going cars. Granted, a lot of it comes down to industry regulations which are pushing cars in that direction, but why they are heavy doesn't change the fact that they're heavy.

 

[YSSMAN]

In case you missed it, the 8L90E is going into the Corvette for 2015, making the Corvette good for 29 MPG on the highway according to the EPA.

They also say this 8L90E automatic shifts as quick as Porsche's PDK system, which, well, I'll believe when I see it. Still, GM has a lot riding on this new transmission, and hopefully it does well in their flagship model. If it can go toe-to-toe with that new ZF gearbox that everyone is babbling about, GM deserves all the positive press that they can get.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

Z06 pricing is out

very reasonable for the base price but Z07 and the carbon is a must have

"1YZ07 Corvette Z06 Coupe -- $78,000.00 MSRP
..........................Destination... $995.00

1YZ67 Corvette Z06 Conv ----$83,000.00 MSRP
..........................Destination ...$995.00


2LZ Z06 Equipment Group 1YZ07/1YZ67 --$3,270.00
3LZ Z06 Preferred Equipment Group 1YZ07/1YZ67 --$8,650.00

Z07 - Performance Package
includes:
(J57) 4-wheel antilock, 4-wheel disc, carbon ceramic brakes,
(FE7) Z07 suspension with Magnetic Selective Ride Control,
(XFM) front P285/30ZR19 and rear P335/25ZR20 Michelin Pilot
Super Sport Cup 2 summer-only run flat tires,
and level 3 Aero Package
(splitter end plates and clear adjustable wicker bill) ----$7,995.00
Requires CFZ or CFV

CFZ - Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package
includes Carbon Flash-painted splitter and rockers,
and more aggressive rear spoiler ---------$2,995.00

CFV - Carbon Fiber Ground Effects Package
includes visible Carbon Fiber splitter and rockers,
and more aggressive rear spoiler --------$3,995.00"

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I did not expect it to be cheaper than the ZR-1. That is an absolute bargain.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

With that pricing, they might possibly be under $100k even with dealers marking them up. Well, the Z07 packaged ones might not, but the regular ones very well could be.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

With that pricing, they might possibly be under $100k even with dealers marking them up. Well, the Z07 packaged ones might not, but the regular ones very well could be.

I wouldnt figure in the mark up BS as it wont last forever and is throwing money away. but yea the first 6 months or whatever you are looking at 10-20K on these I would imagine

but I added it all up you can get a 3LT Z07 with the carbon stuff for 99,635. I assume the 8 speed is extra and what we have here is the MT. but regardless you can be all in loaded for under 100K.. thats a hell of a value

just for value perspective the sticker on my NISMO was $65,145 more.. as it came with a $13K exhaust option..so this Z06 is priced pretty damn well if you ask me

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I wouldnt figure in the mark up BS as it wont last forever and is throwing money away. but yea the first 6 months or whatever you are looking at 10-20K on these I would imagine

but I added it all up you can get a 3LT Z07 with the carbon stuff for 99,635. I assume the 8 speed is extra and what we have here is the MT. but regardless you can be all in loaded for under 100K.. thats a hell of a value

just for value perspective the sticker on my NISMO was $65,145 more.. as it came with a $13K exhaust option..so this Z06 is priced pretty damn well if you ask me

That alone makes the price cheap as hell since it will probably be compared to the NISMO and a few other top model sports cars (as it usually is). I was honestly thinking that the Z06 would start around $100k- not be $100k for a Z07 packaged Z06!

 

[MCNAGTROC]

I did too. I thought we would be at 120K for everything. while I think the Z07 is must have for the CC brakes and Cup tires alone ( really those as its good for at least 2 secs on track) 78K for 650hp is hard to beat..no one say the hellcat as thats a straight line car only. this car will be in the mid 7:teens on the nurburgring

 

[Blackbird.]

Goddamn if only I could afford it...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ah and one of my concern from months ago has been confirmed and @blackbird was right as well on the only thing we agreed with back then. The cost.

Now I await to see if it performs by in larger better than the ZR1, if not then my point will still have been served which is why buy a car like the ZR1 only to be disappointed when GM brings out a supposedly more fuel efficient and slight more powerful, yet cheaper variant in next gen form. If I was a ZR1 owner right now I'd be a little disappointed at what I'm seeing and wonder why I could get the car I currently own for 20-40k less just a different skin.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

It's been said that a Z06 mule set the record at the Milford Proving Grounds test track, so it's likely that the production version went even faster. I can see why you said that considering that the C7 be faster while also being cheaper to buy. For me, it's fine, but then again, I'm too poor to buy either of them.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's been said that a Z06 mule set the record at the Milford Proving Grounds test track, so it's likely that the production version went even faster. I can see why you said that considering that the C7 be faster while also being cheaper to buy. For me, it's fine, but then again, I'm too poor to buy either of them.

Well being faster in one instance doesn't tell me much, I mean I await the Ring time and hope than Jan is the one driving again. I await the times of various other tracks as well and hope Pobst does the usual testing for C&D (?) so the times and overall comparison can be stacked up to one another. It's fine if you're a rich collector, but if you're a rich guy expecting to have the fastest Corvette and not expecting something to dethrone it and be cheaper only a couple years later...

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Jan is a hell of a driver. I hope that the Z06 runs at least a 7:15, but it would be cool if runs a sub 7:10 at the ring. I want to see the numbers there and at VIR. I really want to see what the Z06 does there.