COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Jezza819
I don't understand this. What political reasons would health care workers have for not getting vaccinated? They're antivaxxers? How can they complain about being losing members of their own profession to covid but don't want to help themselves by getting the vaccination?
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Why do people always jump to the antivaxxer conclusion when someone says they don't want a certain vaccine?
Blitz24
I know a handful who believe they don't need it. Someone who works as an assistant at a doctor's office my mother goes to told her he won't get the vaccine because he believes that vaccines can make you sterile (the flu vaccine would be an example; the MMR vaccine prevents two ailments which CAN cause sterility). Either way, he traveled back to Columbia to see his family and now he has COVID.
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I know 2 people that have had COVID that will not take the vaccine. Both of them are not antivaxxers.
 
VolkswagenX
Why do people always jump to the antivaxxer conclusion when someone says they don't want a certain vaccine?

I know 2 people that have had COVID that will not take the vaccine. Both of them are not antivaxxers.
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But if you're in the health care field why would you not want to take the vaccine?

But now I'm asking you a question personally. What do you want? You've been all over this forum criticizing measures and responses during this crisis. You don't want a vaccine.

What.....do......YOU......want?
 
Jezza819
But if you're in the health care field why would you not want to take the vaccine?

But now I'm asking you a question personally. What do you want? You've been all over this forum criticizing measures and responses during this crisis. You don't want a vaccine.

What.....do......YOU......want?
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Attention.

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McLaren
I read he's been in the hospital for the past week, but he's an old dude that's battled cancer & heart issues.
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And ex-wives. Dude's also been hawking plankton juice or something in infomercials made to look like talk shows for a number of years now.
 
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TenEightyOne
A difficult day for The Times... hot woman does something sciency.

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I doubt it’s difficult, that little gaff has likely increased traffic to said article which means more ad revenue. Without it that article would just be lost in the thousands of other “expert talks about COVID” articles.
 
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Jezza819
But if you're in the health care field why would you not want to take the vaccine?
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The number one reason I've heard cited where I work is that the vaccine hasn't had enough time to be trialed. While this is true, right now it poses our best chance at getting through the pandemic, and by and large the data is showing that the Pfizer vaccine is very safe (I'm not sure about Moderna). Some people have cited political reasons, while others have cited religious ones. I, thankfully, haven't heard any 5G Bill Gates theories so that's a plus.

I'd say by autumn the vaccine will likely be required in most healthcare systems, just like the flu shot is. If you refuse to get it, you'll probably lose your job, and rightfully so.
 
Joey D
I'd say by autumn the vaccine will likely be required in most healthcare systems, just like the flu shot is. If you refuse to get it, you'll probably lose your job, and rightfully so.
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As I understand it a majority of care home workers have dodged the jab too. Given that a large proportion of cases are showing up in these homes I wonder whether this should be a cause for concern.

(Declaration of interest: my sister-in-law who runs a number of care homes in Canada was injected with the vaccine last week. She hasn't reported any side effects so far.)
 
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UKMikey
As I understand it a majority of care home worker have dodged the jab too. Given that a large proportion of cases are showing up in these homes I wonder whether this should be a cause for concern.

(Declaration of interest: my sister-in-law who runs a number of care homes in Canada was injected with the vaccine last week. She hasn't reported any side effects so far.)
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Depends on the country, but I could see a lot of people protesting that they shouldn't be refused from a job because they refuse to vaccinate. (That being said, anti-vaxxers are not considered a protected class.)
 
Vaccination rates among public-facing staff (but not specific individuals for obvious reasons) at care facilities available to the public, liability expanded to the unvaccinated and employers' ability to terminate employment of those not vaccinated seems to me a good way to address much of the concern.

Edit: I don't think anyone should be forced to get vaccinated. Revocation of privileges is perfectly acceptable to me, though, as it doesn't actually involve prosecution for violation of a law that I'd oppose if it existed, and I reserve the right to refer to those refusing to get vaccinated as "anti-vaxxers" because they are indeed against vaccination even if they're not against all vaccination. I acknowledge that some individuals may take issue with such a label and I'm okay with that.

I want the vaccine. I intend to get it as soon as it's available to me, but I also intend to continue taking the precautions that I'm presently taking with regards to my potential exposure to the virus as well as the potential for me to expose others to the virus without my knowledge.
 
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Personally I think there's a public health interest involved with getting the most at-risk members of society vaccinated and that those that are choosing to opt out should be made absolutely aware of this.

I'd go further and say that people who are shielding elderly or vulnerable individuals should know who isn't vaccinated or has already survived the virus although I strongly suspect this'll play into the paranoia of the Great Reset crowd and associated Scamdemic wacky funsters.
 
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Scotland is expected to be put back into full lockdown tonight, and schools will be moved to entirely online for the remainer of the month, having already been moved to online only until 18th January.

This of course will not go down well with working parents, but cases are soaring across the whole of the UK at the moment - meanwhile, however, England is still sticking with it's 'tiers' arrangement and most schools went back as normal today, in spite of the PM making repeated references to 'tougher restrictions' on the horizon. As has been discussed in here already, why the delay?

I am expecting an email from work imminently, but it depends on what the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says in her emergency briefing which is coming up shortly. I fear that the university will be formally closed and that I'll have to work from home for several weeks, which is a depressing thought, but I spare a thought for my colleagues who will have home schooling to deal with at the same time, which I doubt is much fun for anyone...
 
UKMikey
As I understand it a majority of care home worker have dodged the jab too. Given that a large proportion of cases are showing up in these homes I wonder whether this should be a cause for concern.

(Declaration of interest: my sister-in-law who runs a number of care homes in Canada was injected with the vaccine last week. She hasn't reported any side effects so far.)
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I haven't seen much regarding care homes, but it wouldn't surprise me and yes it's very concerning.

Blitz24
Depends on the country, but I could see a lot of people protesting that they shouldn't be refused from a job because they refuse to vaccinate. (That being said, anti-vaxxers are not considered a protected class.)
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Every health system I've worked at has had people challenge the mandatory vaccinations and they never win it. Where I work now is a little different since it's technically a government job, but anyone who refuses to get a flu shot needs to wear full PPE at all times (mask, gloves, goggles, and gown) while they are working for the entire duration of flu season. If they're caught without it, they're terminated. As a condition of employment, you also have to be current on all your vaccinations and that's spelled out for you in the HR paperwork.

Honestly, it concerns me that anyone who works in healthcare would be against getting a vaccine, especially one as simple as the flu one, but we do. It's not only a huge patient safety risk, but it's also a risk to yourself as well.
 
It's peculiar that SARS-CoV-2 / CoViD-19 vaccines* are so suspect yet flu vaccines, of which new formulations are developed seasonally, are not. I'd expect the anti-vaxx crowd to not be so complacent and trusting of--

Scratch that. I don't expect anything of them but the stupidity that they consistently demonstrate.

*Which is it? Are we vaccinating against the virus or the disease the virus causes? Serious question.
 
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The vaccine rollout efficiency seems concerning. When are the rest of the plebs expected to be able to take it?

Asking for a fellow pleb
 
TexRex
It's peculiar that SARS-CoV-2 / CoViD-19 vaccines* are so suspect yet flu vaccines, of which new formulations are developed seasonally, are not. I'd expect the anti-vaxx crowd to not be so complacent and trusting of--

Scratch that. I don't expect anything of them but the stupidity that they consistently demonstrate.

*Which is it? Are we vaccinating against the virus or the disease the virus causes? Serious question.
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It happens, we just don't hear about it because the media has better things to do than tell you stories about how people think the flu vaccine is suspect. But there's always a handful of whack jobs who think that the flu vaccine is part of some grand mind control scheme by the government. I seem to think the Simpsons even played into it when Homer goes to that island where he's chased by a bubble and finds out that flu vaccines are given in the fall to make people want to go Xmas shopping (I'm remembering this right, right?)

We also get people that are convinced the flu shot gives them the flu. I've even heard nurses say this and it made me question their education.

ROAD_DOGG33J
The vaccine rollout efficiency seems concerning. When are the rest of the plebs expected to be able to take it?

Asking for a fellow pleb
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It depends on many things including your age and what conditions you might have. If you're young and reasonably healthy, at this very moment you can expect to get the vaccine in the next 2-4 years. Hopefully, the government gets off its ass and gets the drug stores on board because I can almost assure you if Walgreens and CVS are giving out vaccines you'll probably be able to get it this summer. Your state probably has a tracker if you look on your health department's website. Right now, based on my state's dashboard, there are 1.2 million people ahead of me and with less than 1,500 doses being given a day I don't like my odds.
 
Joey D
It happens, we just don't hear about it because the media has better things to do than tell you stories about how people think the flu vaccine is suspect. But there's always a handful of whack jobs who think that the flu vaccine is part of some grand mind control scheme by the government. I seem to think the Simpsons even played into it when Homer goes to that island where he's chased by a bubble and finds out that flu vaccines are given in the fall to make people want to go Xmas shopping (I'm remembering this right, right?)

We also get people that are convinced the flu shot gives them the flu. I've even heard nurses say this and it made me question their education.



It depends on many things including your age and what conditions you might have. If you're young and reasonably healthy, at this very moment you can expect to get the vaccine in the next 2-4 years. Hopefully, the government gets off its ass and gets the drug stores on board because I can almost assure you if Walgreens and CVS are giving out vaccines you'll probably be able to get it this summer. Your state probably has a tracker if you look on your health department's website. Right now, based on my state's dashboard, there are 1.2 million people ahead of me and with less than 1,500 doses being given a day I don't like my odds.
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Well I'm not wearing a mask for another 2-4 years so they better hurry it up. :lol:
 
R1600Turbo
Well I'm not wearing a mask for another 2-4 years so they better hurry it up. :lol:
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Where does the comma go? Oh no, there is no place for a comma. The only one who knows how to interpret this is the speaker.

I ain't standin' on one foot f'r nothin'.
 
daan
Conspiracy theorists are like "wah wah" right now.
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Constantly stamping their feet... luckily somebody opened their big muff* and highlighted the distortion.

Seriously, though... the footswitch didn't give it away? Not amongst non-English speakers, I guess.
(*Not literally)
 
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So England goes into full lockdown from midnight tonight.

Boris Johnson's reasoning for allowing children across the country to go back to school today is that 'every day is important to children's education', while then going on to add that "schools are a vector for spreading the virus". Seriously, what was he thinking? If he had announced this lockdown just 24 hours ago, it would have surely saved hundreds or even thousands of lives. As per usual, it's too little, too late.
 
Touring Mars
So England goes into full lockdown from midnight tonight.

Boris Johnson's reasoning for allowing children across the country to go back to school today is that 'every day is important to children's education', while then going on to add that "schools are a vector for spreading the virus". Seriously, what was he thinking? If he had announced this lockdown just 24 hours ago, it would have surely saved hundreds or even thousands of lives. As per usual, it's too little, too late.
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Forget 24hrs ago, imagine how different it could have been - would have been IMO - if the last lockdown had included schools, as many (admittedly mainly just randoms) were saying was needed. The trends at the start of term showed how it was going to go.

It beggars belief that schools being a vector wasn't considered worrying by at least some fraction of the medical advisors, even without considering the new variant.

Also, again without considering the new variant which wasn't anything like as prevalent before the last lockdown, the tier system was not adequate. Tier changes happened late (bartering with mayors), or early (cashgrab by mayors), and generally didn't follow the data with automatic tier changes, as I've moaned about before. Automatic, as in, if cases in an area rose or fell past some predefined cases per 100k thresholds then that would mean a tier change - no politics. Many changes to tier 3 happened only within a week or two of the Nov lockdown, so we can't know for sure if they were effective (and in some areas that did go to tier 3 then, tier 2 was already doing enough to bring rates down or hold them steady).

On a wing and a prayer.
 
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