COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Japan’s Deputy Prime Minister, and Financial Minister, Taro Aso, has publicly stated that the WHO should be renamed the CHO, the Chinese Health Organization.
He claims that Taiwan has had the best response to COVID-19 precisely because they are not members of the WHO.
Can you believe this racist conspiracy theorist?? Jeez. The UN should send him to prison for 5 years for spreading fake news.
It’s no secret that Tedros, the Director General of the WHO, was aided in his campaign to become Director General. Even in China, they call him “Secretary Tedros”.
He claims that Taiwan has had the best response to COVID-19 precisely because they are not members of the WHO.
Can you believe this racist conspiracy theorist?? Jeez. The UN should send him to prison for 5 years for spreading fake news.
It’s no secret that Tedros, the Director General of the WHO, was aided in his campaign to become Director General. Even in China, they call him “Secretary Tedros”.
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Having more old people does not explain why they have daily casualties of around 800 for about a week now. It goes both ways, and while you are correct that the Italian population is a generally older population, it does represent how and where their government has been cutting budget.
So many people in my country don't understand why we pay a yearly fee for healthcare. Right now, I say thank goodness everyone in this country pays their share, it really shows that we have been able to prepare all hospitals for the infections to come, and why we have less casualties than our neighbors. Paying a personal "debt" gives everyone a fair chance of fighting this disease.
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100,000-240,000 deaths now expected in the United States. From news conference going on right now. I just turned it on moments ago, but it sounded like full implementation of working from home and forced quarantine should last through end of June. Feel free to correct what I think I heard. Worst case scenario is 2.5-3 million US deaths without intervention.
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Yes, those fine scientific minds are standing up there alongside Trump and speaking their minds openly and often. People are listening and responding in a reasonably competent and disciplined way. This is good.
But Trump himself is not our Scientist-in-Chief. He is our Commander-in-Chief. His job is not to create or deliver peer reviewed science, but to bark simple orders and have them obeyed. Equally, he is the poor, unlucky elected stiff out in front who is supposed to instill belief in victory, confidence in the future, the hope, effort and inspiration to do the job needed. In other words, he is Cheerleader-in-Chief. The people and soldiers in time of war are needed to rally around the Chief. Sadly, this particular Chief winds up doing and saying stuff to cheer people up and sometimes oversells his pitch. Back to work by Easter, my ass. Critics, pundits, naysayers, and others foreign and domestic who prioritize undermining the US Commander-in-Chief to fighting the enemy exist in every war. And they exist in this one. I have always tried to undermine the President in almost every war since Viet Nam. But I'm not doing it in this one.
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I just wanted to post that while this pandemic is ongoing, this thread on this forum has been my go-to source for all the latest updates regarding it. Reputable sources posted, real experiences from real people being shared from all over the world instead of just my little tiny slice of Earth that I live on, and mostly (if not 100% completely) civil discussion without any banter or slander towards anyone else. The media is doing their job so well at revving up the public's panic servos that you don't really know where to look to for neutral, fact-based information, but the members here have been posting all that I have been wanting and needing to know (apart from looking at the percentage map for my area). I've been reading this thread since a few pages back and just finally got the time to write a response.
Thanks to all who've been posting here; it's a nice and collected place to stay informed on this ongoing event. 👍
Thanks to all who've been posting here; it's a nice and collected place to stay informed on this ongoing event. 👍
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Apparently someone at my facility tested positive over the weekend and I'm pretty sure it's the guy from my department that tried to go on a cruise a few weeks ago but was unable to due to their shutdown. So he spent a week in San Diego and got sick right before he was to come back to work, so they told him to stay home. I haven't seen him in a few weeks so...
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I'm not certain the US can survive economically to be shut down through June. I mean that's essentially three more months of what we're doing right now and I just can't see that happening without a monthly $2 trillion stimulus, which would equate to over $8 trillion over the course of the shutdown, plus probably another massive stimulus sometime in August to get everything back on track. I have no idea where the money is coming from now and I really have no idea where something like $10-$12 trillion would come from.
I get we need to keep COVID-19 from spreading, but I think the powers that be need to come up with a better solution than "stay home and throw money at the issue." Hopefully, one of the drug trials they've been doing shows success, that way people can just catch the virus and treat it at home without needing critical care.
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I haven't read most of this thread and not sure if others have posted any accounts of direct experience with the virus, but this is my take...
I am all but 100% certain that I had it back in early/mid January. I generally only get sick every 3-4 years and when I do, it lasts 3 days max. But when I was hit with an illness in January, I didn't leave my bed for the first 5 days. Had a fever the first 3-4 days. And the worst cough I've ever experienced in my life. Felt like I was swallowing cactus pine needles with each inhale and exhale. Right when I would go a few hours without coughing, I would awaken in the middle of the night and have a 15-30 minute coughing episode that wouldn't stop. Was literally banging my fist against the wall behind my bed in anger from this ****ing thing that wouldn't go away.
The worst pain I've ever felt and I've experienced what it felt like to get hit with a baseball bat into my stomach 1000 times following a surgery leaving me with a 16" incision straight down the belly against the muscle fibers and without the fortune of pain meds for 7 days following surgery because narcotics would keep my GI system asleep.
This pain back in January from the cough was worse than that surgery. I wasn't suicidal but **** man, I wish someone would have been able to end my misery in a constructive way.
I am all but 100% certain that I had it back in early/mid January. I generally only get sick every 3-4 years and when I do, it lasts 3 days max. But when I was hit with an illness in January, I didn't leave my bed for the first 5 days. Had a fever the first 3-4 days. And the worst cough I've ever experienced in my life. Felt like I was swallowing cactus pine needles with each inhale and exhale. Right when I would go a few hours without coughing, I would awaken in the middle of the night and have a 15-30 minute coughing episode that wouldn't stop. Was literally banging my fist against the wall behind my bed in anger from this ****ing thing that wouldn't go away.
The worst pain I've ever felt and I've experienced what it felt like to get hit with a baseball bat into my stomach 1000 times following a surgery leaving me with a 16" incision straight down the belly against the muscle fibers and without the fortune of pain meds for 7 days following surgery because narcotics would keep my GI system asleep.
This pain back in January from the cough was worse than that surgery. I wasn't suicidal but **** man, I wish someone would have been able to end my misery in a constructive way.
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Update: NOT the guy from my department.
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How did you catch the virus? It must have been from a person who travelled to Wuhan.
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My location is Denver and I live with 3 other friends who all experienced the same thing. We all had identical experiences with the first person being infected in early November. He works as a cook so who knows. For reference, I'm a super healthy, fit male, late 30s. And tend to "work through" any time being sick, but what I went through nearly made me wish I was dead. Nothing to exaggerate here. I posted my account on reddit, and someone who traveled from China to Denver in early November experienced the same thing. The saving grace was that I was unemployed at the time.
I want to play devil's advocate and reason that I wasn't exposed to it, but everything points in that direction.
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I haven't been on this thread but I'm glad to see one here cause I'm hoping we can exchange some reliable info rather than the "stuff" I'm seeing from the mass media.
That being said, I will admit that I'm a bit confused here
. When looking at the number of cases that is being reported for the US, does anyone know how they are actually getting them? Are those based on number of tests that were administered regardless of result or are they based on actual confirmed cases? If they are in fact actual confirmed cases, I'm frankly in complete shock at how fast that thing is spreading in the US. At this rate, by this time tomorrow they will have over 250K cases 
...wasn't it just a little over a week ago that the US only had 40K, I just don't get it!!
That being said, I will admit that I'm a bit confused here
. When looking at the number of cases that is being reported for the US, does anyone know how they are actually getting them? Are those based on number of tests that were administered regardless of result or are they based on actual confirmed cases? If they are in fact actual confirmed cases, I'm frankly in complete shock at how fast that thing is spreading in the US. At this rate, by this time tomorrow they will have over 250K cases ...wasn't it just a little over a week ago that the US only had 40K, I just don't get it!!
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Regarding numbers, remember that this started in China back in November.I haven't been on this thread but I'm glad to see one here cause I'm hoping we can exchange some reliable info rather than the "stuff" I'm seeing from the mass media.
That being said, I will admit that I'm a bit confused here
According to this (https://www.statista.com/statistics/214813/number-of-visitors-to-the-us-from-china/), 3-3.5 million people travel to the US from China per year, or 300,000 per month. That monthly figure would be hire during Christmas/New Year's (presumably). Now multiply by the prevalence rate which I can't seem to find. Even at 0.1%, that's at least 3,000 people who entered the US each month since November who were carriers.
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Did you see a doctor? Sounds a little like mono.
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I'm one that's under the impression it was in the US before the January 21st outbreak in Washington. I think it was only discovered there because it hit that nursing home so hard. I'm even wondering if EVALI is somehow related to all this too since it primarily came from people who were vaping e-liquids that supposedly originated in China.
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A few pages back, myself and another user believed the same, though in my case, I easily traced the source directly to individuals from Wuhan. But Denver is one of the largest US hubs if I'm not mistaken (at least judging by your airport), so I wouldn't be surprised if the virus moved through there early on.
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It is the "Trump Paradox" in a nutshell. Go on the Fox New website & read the comments. They believe anything & everything that Trump says & discount anything & everything said that is critical of him as motivated by a vast Dim/ Deep State/Fake Media conspiracy. We will never be rid of this mindset, I believe it will live on even if Trump is defeated (due to voter fraud) in the next election.
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That's pretty remarkable and you're right. I think outside of Atlanta, Denver is the next busiest US airport. And the metro area's population is more dense compared to travel. How my roommate got it would likely only be traced to being a chef and service industry related. As I may have mentioned, another person from Denver posted yesterday on reddit that he was infected in November and I believe he was traveling from China to here.
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Earlier in the thread I mentioned 30 million unemployed last week, that was incorrect. I’ve done a bit of searching, and what I’m seeing indicated 3.3 million (not 30
) applied for unemployment in the US last week. It’s still a record number. This is also from last week.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/26/us-unemployment-rate-coronavirus-business
US Treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin has predicted unemployment in the US – close to record lows only last month – could reach 20%.
“This morning’s jobless claims confirm that the United States is in the thralls of a catastrophic unemployment crisis, the likes of which we haven’t seen since the Great Depression,” said Andrew Stettner, senior fellow at the Century Foundation thinktank. “This represents the single worst one-day piece of labor market news in America’s history.”
Across the US, laid-off workers have overwhelmed state labor departments with claims for unemployment benefits. In New York City, which now accounts for roughly 5% of global Covid-19 cases, there has been a 1000% increase in claims.
That’s from last Thursday, before these announcements for enforced Stay at Home measures until May or June. Those numbers are only going to go up, probably massively.
It’s not at all to take away from the seriousness of this coronavirus, but this is a big problem, the fallout of which could potentially be worse than the virus itself.
Thinking about it, I haven’t heard much about how other countries are handling the economic aspect of this crisis. How is Italy handling this?
In Canada there is financial compensation available from the federal government ($2000CAN for up to 4 months), as well as provincial employment insurance (not everyone, myself included, pays into that though). For the fed money, you have to apply and prove a loss of income (either 25% or 40% loss, I forget).
For any fellow Canadians, here’s the Canada.ca page regarding Covid-19 economic relief.
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html
The Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) is the link for those who have become unemployed due to Coronavirus and don’t qualify for employment insurance. Stiff penalties for trying to scam the system have already been announced, so no funny business (criminals, please don’t do crime...)
From my local newspaper, regarding Stay at Home measures in British Columbia. We just crossed over 1000 cases in the province. 1013 cases, 24 deaths, 507 full recoveries, 43k tested (population 4.7 million).
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/29...f-COVID-19-will-be-in-place-for-months#296054
During Tuesday’s daily press conference, Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said we are currently in the “first wave” of the virus in B.C., which is expected to last through to at least May.
“I do think it's more and more less likely that we're going to be able to get back to full normal life, which I miss a lot, before at least the summer and then we need to start preparing ourselves for the potential of a second wave in the fall,” she said.
“I haven't given up entirely the hope that we might get a reprieve during the summer as we do with influenza and some of the other respiratory viruses. Though, how much of a reprieve is yet to be seen.”
While there might be a slowdown of cases come summer, Dr. Henry says until a vaccine is developed, there will have to be some form of control measures in place for the foreseeable future.
“Realistically, we are going to be in some form of having to monitor and prevent transmission of this virus until we have a vaccine, or until enough of the population is immune to it that it's no longer infecting people, but we know that that is a very high number,” she said.
Health Minister Adrian Dix said there is “zero chance” that any of the orders that have been put in place, like limits on the size of gatherings and the banning of in-house dining at restaurants, will be lifted by the end of April, and there is “little to no” chance they'll be lifted in May.
“This is going to be a challenge for a long time,” Dix said.
Despite that, Dr. Henry said she doesn't think the province will need to be “this locked down ... for many, many months" into the future, but what that future looks like depends on people's actions today.
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Another thing that probably helped is that many of the cities in the U.S. are controlled by demogorgons...err democrats. Though yes those that did hang on his words were done a huge disservice.
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Coronavirus doctor who shook hands with Vladimir Putin tests positive for bug.
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/worl...-positive-for-bug/ar-BB1209gP?ocid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/worl...-positive-for-bug/ar-BB1209gP?ocid=spartandhp
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Just a relief for you guys.
We don't have only Bolsonaro and drug dealers here. The quarantine has been enforced by all 27 state governors (which controls the police forces) and the vast majority of mayors (if not all of them), not by street gangs roaming the streets... Bolsonaro is becoming more and more alone in his desire for a genocide (or geronticide) to call for himself. Even our Health Minister is coordinating the quarantine as a decent official, in spite of our stupid president, which publicly envys him like a brat boy. He is loosing political support in the states (including former political allies, that perceived his incompetence, I would say too late), our Congress just eats him everytime he tries to do anything, and our Supreme Court already leaked that any crazy move from him will not last 30 minutes.
One thing that probably is helping us pass through this is the fact that we have an established public healthcare system, although very underfunded, in the coordination for the pandemic efforts, designating punctual efforts and realocating resources, sharing data through the system between public and private hospitals and clinics (of course, if the situation don't go out of control in terms of contamination, surpassing our limited resources, etc).
Sure, it's too early and irresponsible to say that everything will be fine, since other historical problems can shift the balance here, like the lack of water treatment in all places, the housing problems, and unfortunately, anything can happen, but it has been two weeks already that quarantine efforts started to take place, gradually. One of my biggest fears is, with the rhetoric of our president, his supporters start challenging the quarantine (some political demonstrations already happened, curiously rich-car motorcades, claiming for workers to go back to work, wonder why...) and people starts to be more and more contaminated, being teased to go back to work. Our Congress already approved a public relief for individuals to stay home without working, since we have a massive problem with unenployment and job informality, but our fascistoid perv president and his Chicago-Boy Economy Minister are refusing to sign... for now. Today, only Bolsonaro supporters and some neoliberal pundits are flirting with reducing the quarantine, in name of "saving the economy".
Stay home and stay safe, whenever you are.
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