So you should have stated the facts as they were presented in your link, or skipped the link and told us what you were insinuating and that it was not according to the article but just using the data. Hence the backlash form me. It should of read: According to New York data 93% of deaths are over 50 years of age. If you could effectively quarantine them (before they died) you could have saved their lives. If those areas in the country (or world) behind the spread can do that with SD it'd be a win-win no doubt. The USA is not mandating to quarantine them but they have been warned to SD (including isolation) if they aren't essential workers (like my wife) or as some are doing, using the StayhomeStaysafe mentality.
You actually still don't seem to be taking my point, which is that statistically we can determine some demographics that will make up the bulk of the need in the healthcare system, and should focus on isolating those people instead of what we're doing.
At least he realizes thousands may (he says will) die, don't you?
They have. Of course I realize that.
We'll have to see if they're deaths/capita increases compared to the USA for your comparison.
I'm referring to actual data to-date.
We'll add the $10 million/person then, but now it's at $8.87 billion.
This is absurd. You can't assign a value to a human life like that. It's financial nonsense. I get that people try in wrongful death cases, but you can't apply that here.
Even though you state that Sweden is not in an economic depression
I didn't. I asked a question.
You seem to miss the point that dead people cost money too.
You seem to miss the point that unemployment, wrecked investment, and financial ruin cost lives too.
Good example to your schooling dilemma is in Sweden they're still going to schools (primary, others online), even some areas are making it illegal for kids to stay home if they are not sick.
I wouldn't support making it illegal to keep kids home right now.
It doesn't.
I think the experts are correct, mostly because I don't do pandemics or financial crises. I don't expect others to question my expertise in my trade so I'll give them the respect they deserve. Not to mention we are talking life or death situations. This s..t is real.
This is basically an appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy. I could certainly counter with authorities that support what I'm saying, it would be pointless. We'd get into a discussion about which authorities have greater authority, and end up comparing resumes. It's not constructive, and it serves no point. I'm discussing this in part to learn and in part to question. It's not instructive to just shut the discussion off and
believe what someone else wants me to.
I'll agree that the chances of spreading it is more if you show symptoms, that's obvious.
Not what I said. Not even remotely what I said... which is what leads you to head down this unhelpful alley...
It's not the school itself or the fact it's a gathering area that I'm talking about, it's sending any population into public to aid in spreading the virus. You do realize that just the number of students in the USA is 81.5 million in primary and secondary schools. Yes, children numbers are very low on testing positive and even lower on deaths. Comparing Connecticut's test data on confirmed cases ( ages 0 -19) out of those 81.5 million children over 10,000 will be infected. Nationwide 5 days ago 0 - 17 age cases were 593. Currently we (Ct) have only 68 cases and New York's 0 - 17 cases total 1928 people and we border New York on our total western border. New York alone has more than tripled the numbers of that age group, in a week. Don't forget 55 million students are under stay home orders (quarantine) including New York.
Yes. Children can get it. I believe I said that. But they don't get it nearly in proportion to the rest of the population based on their numbers. In other words, as I said early, an elementary school is not a great place for this virus to spread, because kids don't
catch it in proportion to their population footprint. Now before you start saying anything about asymptomatics or presymptomatics... keep in mind what I just said, which had nothing to do with symptoms. They don't
contract the virus at the rate that other demographics do.
According to CDC children do contract the virus, as has been stated here many times.......................
A graph I don't understand, maybe you do..??
FIGURE 1. COVID-19 cases in children* aged <18 years, by date reported to CDC (N = 2,549)† — United States, February 24–April 2, 2020
Figure didn't come through.
To what? To thinking that schools need to be closed? No not yet.
That is not a chart about schools at all, that's the total unemployment numbers, though it's now a lot more.
...because that's what I was responding to...
If that many school associated people were out of work I could better understand your issue with schooling.
What? Do you understand that people can't work when they have to take care of their kids all day? I burn a part of the week in vacation each day. That lack of vacation results in reduced spending in other areas, which results in layoffs. Me spending my vacation not working = layoffs.
it gets worse too. Because some people lose their jobs due to lack of childcare. Many parents end up facing the unenviable position of leaving their children in sub-standard care, or forgoing their jobs and filing for unemployment.
And a lot of people... a LOT of people... get elderly parents to step in and watch the kids. Which increases the risk to the elderly, because kids need a lot of... exposure. They need to go outside, they supplies shipped to your house, they drag you into public in a thousand ways.
Lunch programs for those that need it are still in effect as well.
Which is exposure to spread the virus that suddenly you seem to be cool with...
To go a bit further a lot of our day care centers are for health care workers children as well as other essential workers.
Mine is open right now. Never closed. I've kept my preschool kids home from their open preschool because I'm learning about the virus and minimizing my exposure to the greatest extent is my goal
for today. But there is going to come a time, very soon, where I'll have to consider sending them back. I'm taking into account the rate at which kids their age contract the virus in order to inform that decision. Will they bring it home? Will they get sick? How likely is that? These are pressing issues for me in the next few weeks.
This is not about me or my problems with this pandemic. This is about others and protecting them. Haven't you heard the nation yet.
You made it about you in order to encourage me to spread a social distancing message and somehow (as if it were possible) practice more social distancing myself. In order to keep your wife safe. And I'm saying that you can never trust others to protect you or your family. Their biology is not yours, their decisions are not yours. Take personal responsibility for your safety and the safety of your family.
And back to our regularly scheduled programming......racing.
This is the COVID-19 thread.
