COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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MaxAttack
You've reminded me - the Lymington-Yarmouth ferry was first to go, no services at all.

Since, in my experience, Yarmouth is just a ferry terminal and nothing else, I'd actually forgotten the place existed. They have probably embraced a sort of apocalypse cult ever since the great iron whales stopped coming in...
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I know a couple of guys from the island who can no longer work due to the Yarmouth ferry being suspended.

The lack PPE in the UK has resulted in local FB groups popping up to organise, make and deliver much sought after PPE items for local hospitals etc. They simply can't make enough to keep up with demand. Hospitals and care homes are screaming out for them. Anyone with a domestic sewing machine with basic sewing skills are encouraged make scrub bags, headbands for masks, whilst the more experienced are actually making scrubs. I kid you not, most of these items are being made from donated cotton pillow cases and bed sheets.

Here's a post to one of the FB groups from a marketing officer for our local health care provider...
what is the recommended donation for 14 scrubs. We donated for bags. We would really appreciate scrubs for our other team who are working in a COVID isolation unit.
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PzR Slim
How did the US end up like this.

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Some sort of shutdown is necessary, but he does have a point. It's like people just think its a choice between people's lives and money and it really isn't. If someone where to say that we need to make sure we keep the lockdown in place too long to where it destroys the economy, some people will try to accuse you of choosing money over lives and it really isn't that simple.
 
Meanwhile, in London, people gather for a now weekly ritual to 'Clap for Carers'... part of a general show of support for the NHS, a key cornerstone of which is to practice social distancing in order to help 'protect the NHS' by breaking transmission chains.

 
Touring Mars
Meanwhile, in London, people gather for a now weekly ritual to 'Clap for Carers'... part of a general show of support for the NHS, a key cornerstone of which is to practice social distancing in order to help 'protect the NHS' by breaking transmission chains.

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And to top it off Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Cressida Dick, was in attendance. You couldn't make it up. One nurse at St Thomas's Hospital said: "Expect more weeks of torture, more casualties because of this"

 
fortbo
Some sort of shutdown is necessary, but he does have a point. It's like people just think its a choice between people's lives and money and it really isn't. If someone where to say that we need to make sure we keep the lockdown in place too long to where it destroys the economy, some people will try to accuse you of choosing money over lives and it really isn't that simple.
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Imagine a scenario where people come to hospital for help just to find no resources available for their treatment. Would people start to riot?
When troubled I am asking myself... What would I do if they told me there's no bed for my daughter? How would I explain it to my wife?
 
strela
Imagine a scenario where people come to hospital for help just to find no resources available for their treatment. Would people start to riot?
When troubled I am asking myself... What would I do if they told me there's no bed for my daughter? How would I explain it to my wife?
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In most of the US though we are nowhere near that point but we are getting closer and closer to an economic crisis. How would you explain to your family that you cannot afford to pay for basic needs? You have to look at what is actually happening right now.
 
I want to find out about the experiences of some of you on this forum. So to that end, I've put together this list of questions, and answered it for myself.

Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 1 week
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 2 days
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 1 month
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 1 month (grocery store)
- Entered any building other than your home - 1 month (grocery store)
- Shaken someone's hand - 1.5 months
- Driven a car - 2 days
- Gotten takeout - 2 days (see driven car above)
- How many people live in your house - 5



strela
Imagine a scenario where people come to hospital for help just to find no resources available for their treatment. Would people start to riot?
When troubled I am asking myself... What would I do if they told me there's no bed for my daughter? How would I explain it to my wife?
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Setting aside that this is just not where the US is right now, it's the other way around. You'd explain to your daughter why there is no bed for your wife. Or more likely, you'd explain to your wife or daughter why there is no bed for their grandparent.
 
ryzno
We had families having to do that everyday well before COVID-19.
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How does that even an argument? Yes, we've had people having to do that well before COVID-19, but there is and will the a much larger amount of them having to deal with this due to what is happening right now. How is that okay? Using that logic, we could say people were dying of other medical conditions well before COVID-19 so I guess we can say that it isn't an issue, but we both know that isn't the case.
 
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PzR Slim
Dr Phil. I don't know the other guy, that was just one of many tweets I could have picked showing the footage.
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I get it, it's a strawman. Swimming pool drownings aren't contagious. Motor vehicle collisions aren't contagious.

It being a strawman doesn't make the point any less valid. Locking so much down for an extended period of time is going to cost lives. The effect won't be immediate like a swimming pool drowning or motor vehicle collision. Actually, it's a bit more like smoking. Thing is...the economic impact isn't felt only by multinational conglomerates, but by very nearly everyone.

I'm all for flattening the curve, but not to the extent that people are crushed beneath it.
 
Hokkaido, Japan opened up too soon and is now having to lock down and declare another state of emergency.

once seen as something of a success story - a region that worked to contain, trace and isolate the virus - leading to a huge drop in numbers. But Hokkaido is in the spotlight again as it struggles to deal with a second wave of infections.

https://t.co/OsoRjPRPjq
 
fortbo
In most of the US though we are nowhere near that point but we are getting closer and closer to an economic crisis. How would you explain to your family that you cannot afford to pay for basic needs? You have to look at what is actually happening right now.
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Could it be because there's a lockdown? If everyone followed the lockdowns and common sense there would be no crisis to begin with.
Danoff
Setting aside that this is just not where the US is right now, it's the other way around. You'd explain to your daughter why there is no bed for your wife. Or more likely, you'd explain to your wife or daughter why there is no bed for their grandparent.
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Could it be because there's a lockdown? It can happen to anyone the problem doesn't change.
 
Sander 001
Hokkaido, Japan opened up too soon and is now having to lock down and declare another state of emergency.

once seen as something of a success story - a region that worked to contain, trace and isolate the virus - leading to a huge drop in numbers. But Hokkaido is in the spotlight again as it struggles to deal with a second wave of infections.

https://t.co/OsoRjPRPjq
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I think this is the reality of reducing lockdown measures. A second wave will occur. A practical goal is to try to mitigate that 2nd wave with the least costly distancing measures so that it doesn't overrun healthcare facilities.

We need to be realistic about our intentions here, and there seems to be absolutely no agreement on this point. What is the goal? Is it to keep people from catching COVID-19 until there is a vaccine? Is it to prevent healthcare facilities from being overrun? Is it to maintain economic stability? Because these goals are each defensible and are achieved in very different ways.

So far we have sacrificed economic stability for the 2nd goal - preventing healthcare facilities from being overrun. At the moment, it seems like that is going to be successful - which would mean opening things back up in a measured sense with the goal being to prevent healthcare facilities from being overrun, but not actually preventing the virus from spreading. In fact, if the goal is simply to prevent healthcare facilities from being overrun, you actually need the virus to spread, but to spread at a rate your healthcare facilities can cope with.

If the goal is to prevent people from catching the virus until a vaccine is available, I think we've botched that horribly in the US. We should not only have been more aggressive earlier, but also we'd need contact tracing rolled out super aggressively, and we'd need to be pushing on a vaccine harder than we are (I mean injecting healthy presumably vaccinated volunteers with live virus). We should be doing that last one anyway.

We need a clear goal. And that we don't have one is a failure of leadership.
 
I like it @Danoff

Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 4 weeks (Gas Engineer)
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 2 days
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 6 days
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 6 days (supermarket)
- Entered any building other than your home - 6 days (parents house)
- Shaken someone's hand - 5 weeks
- Driven a car - 6 days
- Gotten takeout - 5 weeks
- How many people live in your house - 3
 
PzR Slim
How did the US end up like this.

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Why does anyone listen to "Dr" Phil anyways? He's not even a real doctor, is he? I seem to recall he can't legally give a medical opinion since he's not licensed or something.

Danoff
Social Distancing
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 4 weeks (maintenance)
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - Today
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - Today
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 5 days (grocery store)
- Entered any building other than your home - Today
- Shaken someone's hand - 2 months or so
- Driven a car - Today. We do family drives every Sat and Sun too since we aren't going to the park, aquarium, etc.
- Gotten takeout - I don't know, probably not since January. Takeout in SLC is insanely expensive and they're mostly chains.
- How many people live in your house - 3 (or maybe 2.5).

Thankfully daycare is still open for my little dude even though there are only a handful of kids that still go there, so I still take him every morning. I know there are several people who think I shouldn't, but trying to work from home, be on conference calls, etc. with a little dude running around is a bit tough. Plus I can't give him the attention he deserves and attempt to work at the same time, nor can I properly do pre-school lessons with him. So when he goes to daycare he gets a bunch of learning in and several hours of playtime, most of which is outside.

Also, our daycare is an at-home one and the owner said she probably couldn't stay in business if she closed. She's incredible and I don't want to lose her, so I feel like supporting her during this whole thing is important. We send her cleaning supplies almost weekly too because I know she disinfects everything frequently and I don't want her to run out of stuff. Adding $40-$50 worth of stuff each week is worth it to me.
 
@Danoff

Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 5 weeks
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 4 days
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 4 weeks
- Entered a public facing commercial building - 3 weeks (hospital - not sure if commercial, but public and with lots of people around)
- Entered any building other than your home - 5 days (empty courthouse)
- Shaken someone's hand - 5 weeks
- Driven a car - 5 days
- Gotten takeout - 6 days just now
- How many people live in your house - 3
 
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Danoff
I want to find out about the experiences of some of you on this forum.
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That will be fun.

Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your apartment. - don't remember
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 2.5 hours ago (work)
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 2.5 hours ago (work)
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 1 day
- Entered any building other than your home - today (work)
- Shaken someone's hand - 1 month
- Driven a car - 2.5 hours ago (work)
- Gotten takeout - today (lunch delivered to work)
- How many people live in your apartment - 2

I wasn't influenced by any anti-virus measures, so I work as usual ... but I used social distancing as excuse to 'move' my colleague from the lab to another available room :lol:
 
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@Danoff I'm seeing an increasing number of posts and comments along the lines of 'why didn't we stop this when we had the chance?'... not only do I not believe that was possible, but it also leaves open the question of what comes next.

You are right to say that there isn't a clear message or even a clear goal - and I think you are right about what we should be aiming for... but even then, it is difficult to say such things without somebody pouncing on your comments and denouncing you as a Nazi or a terrible human being for even thinking that part of the solution involves people getting the virus.

To be clear, it is not the 'aim' to get people infected... but, if the same number of people are ultimately going to be infected in the long run, then the best approach is to spread those infections out over time but, crucially, not stopping it altogether. This is the bit some people don't get or disagree with it - that "crushing the virus" (i.e. bringing the virus back into containment) has the paradoxical effect of seeing not enough people getting infected, thus leaving the population defenceless against future waves - given that there could be 3-4 waves prior to any vaccine or treatment being available, the 'crushing' strategy may end up not only not working, but actually making things worse.

That said, there is currently sketchy evidence that having had the virus confers protection and, more disturbingly, that there are several strains of the virus already, with many more possibly on the way. If the herd immunity strategy doesn't work, and vaccines are only partially effective, then it may come down to treatment. And if that isn't forthcoming, then the crushing strategy may be the only way forward - with dire consequences for the economy, civil liberties etc. I personally think that treatments and vaccines will be available and effective, but not for at least a year. In the meantime, we can only hope that our natural defences (i.e. herd immunity) starts to play a part too.

Danoff
I want to find out about the experiences of some of you on this forum. So to that end, I've put together this list of questions, and answered it for myself.
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Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 5 weeks
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 1 day
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 1 week (grocery store)
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 1 day (local grocery store with social distancing)
- Entered any building other than your home - 1 day (grocery store/surgery)
- Shaken someone's hand - 1.5 months
- Driven a car - N/A
- Gotten takeout - 2 months
- How many people live in your house - 2
 
Danoff
I want to find out about the experiences of some of you on this forum. So to that end, I've put together this list of questions, and answered it for myself.
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Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - Yesterday. Girlfriend's sister has been staying with her mom since pre-Spring Break, but both come over nearly daily. If you do not count that since we are essentially quarantining together, then it has been over a month.
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - Yesterday. Girlfriend's sister and mom. Not counting that, I also spoke to the lawn care people yesterday when they came by.
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - About a week. My mom handed me some stuff through the front door that we were not able to get with our grocery delivery.
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - Wednesday? Our office is in a bank, but we enter through the back door and do not see the public. Prior to other occurrences with the office? It has been over about two weeks to pick up takeout that was not delivered directly to the car.
- Entered any building other than your home - Wednesday
- Shaken someone's hand - Over a month?
- Driven a car - Wednesday
- Gotten takeout - Tuesday
- How many people live in your house - Two
 
Danoff
I want to find out about the experiences of some of you on this forum. So to that end, I've put together this list of questions, and answered it for myself.
Click to expand...

Social Distancing
Questionnaire
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How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 5 weeks
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 1 day
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 4 weeks
- Entered a public facing commercial building (such as a grocery store or bank) - 1 day (grocery store)
- Entered any building other than your home - 1 day (grocery store)
- Shaken someone's hand - more than 2 months
- Driven a car - 1 day
- Gotten takeout - 1 week, but that was delivered
- How many people live in your house - 4
 
Touring Mars
That said, there is currently sketchy evidence that having had the virus confers protection and, more disturbingly, that there are several strains of the virus already, with many more possibly on the way. If the herd immunity strategy doesn't work, and vaccines are only partially effective, then it may come down to treatment. And if that isn't forthcoming, then the crushing strategy may be the only way forward - with dire consequences for the economy, civil liberties etc. I personally think that treatments and vaccines will be available and effective, but not for at least a year. In the meantime, we can only hope that our natural defences (i.e. herd immunity) starts to play a part too.
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The last time I checked, few days ago, South Korea had reported 91 cases of someone becoming infected for a second time. I also read that a British University (Possibly Oxford) are hopeful of having a vaccine ready by September, which would be amazing. However, if you are right, and I've seen the articles too, about new strains then we could be in for a very long and difficult ride.
 
How long has it been since you've:
- Had someone who doesn't live in your home inside your home. - 14th February (2 months 4 days)
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home. - 7th March (1 month 11 days)
- Spoken in-person to someone who doesn't live inside your home within 6 feet with no PPE - 7th March (1 month, 11 days)
- Entered a public facing commercial building - 9th April (8 days)
- Entered any building other than your home - 9th April (8 days)
- Shaken someone's hand - 7th March (1 month 11 days)
- Driven a car - Summer 2019 (8 months 7 days)
- Gotten takeout (delivery?) - Never
- How many people live in your house - Just me
 
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