COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Not gonna be the first time this happens

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020...Km102qRp2qrKAYB86lPZjoW6LmE_CKP0WyNd-grOYkQ5s

I think both parties are at fault here. The defendant was clearly making poor decisions for herself and immediate constituents - no doubt. On the other hand, the state has no right whatsoever to force you to stay in your home. China did that with welding equipment, and now we're doing it with ankle bracelets. Also, we've seen lots of cases of people testing false positive for it, so for all we know there's a small chance this was all for nothing.
 
Ether
I think both parties are at fault here. The defendant was clearly making poor decisions for herself and immediate constituents - no doubt. On the other hand, the state has no right whatsoever to force you to stay in your home. China did that with welding equipment, and now we're doing it with ankle bracelets. Also, we've seen lots of cases of people testing false positive for it, so for all we know there's a small chance this was all for nothing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. In case of an emergency a Governor can issue a State order. In this case an order to self isolate in case you're find positive to Covid. She was charged because violate that same order multiple times. A judge than sentenced her to Domestic Detention for a week. Where's the problem?
 
strela
Correct me if I'm wrong. In case of an emergency a Governor can issue a State order. In this case an order to self isolate in case you're find positive to Covid. She was charged because violate that same order multiple times. A judge than sentenced her to Domestic Detention for a week. Where's the problem?
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You're correct...kind of. Us Pennsylvania's (which includes myself) were told from the beginning that this was not to be enforced unless you were a business that attempted to stay open. And according to Pa. Code Title 28 § 27.65 1-2, it would appear one cannot be detained for breaking quarantine. Now maybe the fact that a state of emergency was imposed somehow negates the former, but if so, I'm more or less attempting to highlight how much power the state claims it can have when these orders are in place. So yes, you may be correct. It's also worth noting my interpretation of the law could be or code could be wrong.
 
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Just a couple of days ago I've been discussing with some friends that, given that there are no worldwide standards for testing or determining the cause of death, the best way to analyse the impact of the virus would be to compare the total number of deaths for a certain period, and compare it to previous years.

Coincidentally, I just stumbled upon this post on reddit showing just that, for Netherlands.


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(Credit to the OP on reddit. More info on the data collected at the original post)



It would be interesting to have this kind of graphs for other countries (and keeping it updated throughout the whole year, of course, maybe along with a cumulative counting as well).
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Here is one for England and Wales from the ONS. The ONS data is a couple of weeks behind. It is published weekly however.
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Ether
it would appear one cannot be detained for breaking quarantine.
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Nobody is forced to stay at home during quarantine. You could still go out for groceries and do other essential things. But she was tested positive. So the normal rules didn't applied for her. I think.
 
Ether
Not gonna be the first time this happens

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020...Km102qRp2qrKAYB86lPZjoW6LmE_CKP0WyNd-grOYkQ5s

I think both parties are at fault here. The defendant was clearly making poor decisions for herself and immediate constituents - no doubt. On the other hand, the state has no right whatsoever to force you to stay in your home. China did that with welding equipment, and now we're doing it with ankle bracelets. Also, we've seen lots of cases of people testing false positive for it, so for all we know there's a small chance this was all for nothing.
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Are multiple people being forced to wear ankle bracelets or is it just this moron who went out after testing positive and potentially is the cause of 27 other people getting infected?
 
Ether
Not gonna be the first time this happens

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020...Km102qRp2qrKAYB86lPZjoW6LmE_CKP0WyNd-grOYkQ5s

I think both parties are at fault here. The defendant was clearly making poor decisions for herself and immediate constituents - no doubt. On the other hand, the state has no right whatsoever to force you to stay in your home. China did that with welding equipment, and now we're doing it with ankle bracelets. Also, we've seen lots of cases of people testing false positive for it, so for all we know there's a small chance this was all for nothing.
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Nope. It's already happened before. The problem is that the individual ignored health requests to not go out and take precautions. She decided she didn't have to and got other people sick. If anyone dies from this poor decision of hers, the families should have full right to pursue litigation.
 
McLaren
Are multiple people being forced to wear ankle bracelets or is it just this moron who went out after testing positive and potentially is the cause of 27 other people getting infected?
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The latter, obviously.

Blitz24
Nope. It's already happened before. The problem is that the individual ignored health requests to not go out and take precautions. She decided she didn't have to and got other people sick. If anyone dies from this poor decision of hers, the families should have full right to pursue litigation.
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I certainly agree she made the wrong decision, but families who may or may not have been affected will not be able to sue her for such. It would not hold up in court. There's no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt her actions where directly responsible for the death of another. Keep in mind I'm not trying to defend her decisions here at all. This is just a "does the punishment fit the crime" question. And maybe it totally does, but I'm not fond of the idea of a state limiting an individual's freedom in such a manner. (Maybe I'm just being too libertarian)
 
Ether
The latter, obviously.
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That's what I thought. There's a growing over-dramatization about these restrictions & your post is just another example.
On the other hand, the state has no right whatsoever to force you to stay in your home. China did that with welding equipment, and now we're doing it with ankle bracelets.
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Oh no, 1 woman (who tested positive, was asked to stay home, went out anyway, is linked to 27 other cases as a result) is being forced to stay home through ankle bracelet & now we're exactly like China who welded people in their homes.
 
We're at the dentist today and even though we are pretty much sitting in a cloud of alcohol, and they have a lot of precautionary measures in place, it still doesn't feel right to be here, when other places need to stay closed.
 
McLaren
That's what I thought. There's a growing over-dramatization about these restrictions & your post is just another example.

Oh no, 1 woman (who tested positive, was asked to stay home, went out anyway, is linked to 27 other cases [people who self quarantined as a result, no reported cases, let's be fair] as a result) is being forced to stay home through ankle bracelet & now we're exactly like China who welded people in their homes.
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I see your point, no need to mock my own.
 
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Monkeys are getting really hungry...

Coronavirus stay-at-home side effect?

Edit: looking closer, probably just a street stunt that turns badly, and not coronarelated.
 
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Touring Mars
Sounds like a good plan... but I personally think they should isolate immediately after testing and then trace...
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I think is good. You test a person. You monitoring him until you got the results and then in case positive you isolate the person being tested and all the others that got in contact. You than support those isolated.
That of course change if you test only people that show signs of contagious. But you need to test those that are not showing symptoms sooner or later when the numbers drops.
I think they use that method in Sud Korea with very good results. But I don't believe such methods will work with us. For it to work properly you need to trust your government in the first place.
 
McLaren
Your point was equivalating what justifiably happened to 1 (& only) person as the same as what happened unjustifiably to an entire population.
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And poorly so (on my end), I can see that. My point could have done without that comparison. The point was more or less directed at the state's power and whether the punishment fit the crime (which it certainly may, as I mentioned).
 
A man in France has been "post-tested" positive to Sars-Cov-2 as soon as the 27th of December.
He has been hospitalized for symptoms that would today match Covid-19. He then had a lung scanner, and two Flu test (in December and January). His samples has been retested since: both are positive to Covid-19.
His two sons got symptoms too, but not his wife. It's her who is suspected to have contracted the virus first, working next to Chinese sushi sellers.
 
Dennisch
We're at the dentist today and even though we are pretty much sitting in a cloud of alcohol, and they have a lot of precautionary measures in place, it still doesn't feel right to be here, when other places need to stay closed.
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It depends on purpose of visit, acute problem or just periodical appointment?... I had cracked teeth with some inflammation amid of the biggest corona panic right after lockdown order and I was really happy that my dentist was available.
 
novcze
It depends on purpose of visit, acute problem or just periodical appointment?... I had cracked teeth with some inflammation amid of the biggest corona panic right after lockdown order and I was really happy that my dentist was available.
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Periodical check up. Was planned for March but got moved to now due to the 'intelligent' lock down.
 
Dennisch
Periodical check up. Was planned for March but got moved to now due to the 'intelligent' lock down.
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My dentist closed the month of April during Alabama's initial quarantine period but they opened up May 1st. They emailed me a new set of guidelines including you can't just come straight into the office. You have to call from the parking lot saying your there and then they will let you in. They also said all magazine, books, and toys for kids have been removed from the waiting area. My next checkup is in June so I'll be interested to see how it goes.
 
Joey D
A month ago Putin said Russia had COVID-19 under control. Yesterday it recorded 10,000 new cases and 9,600 new cases on Saturday.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/04...covid-19-record-as-hospitals-struggle-to-cope

I guess Putin wants to trump Trump in ineffective leadership.
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Oddly all the medical staff in Russia who complain about COVID-19 issue retractions and then fall out of high windows.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...tal-window-after-coronavirus-complaint-a70176
 

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