COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

[CodeRedR51]

Local numbers for my area:

Meanwhile, state health officials said Sunday that Arizona now has 8,640 coronavirus cases and 362 known deaths, an increase of 276 cases and 14 deaths since Saturday’s released figures.

The Arizona Department of Health Services said more than 76% of the people who have died of coronavirus were ages 65 and older.

A majority of the deaths have come in Maricopa County (4,585) and Pima County (1,326).

https://www.pinalcentral.com/apache...cle_e4e48c32-e7d0-50d9-b225-38012787ea38.html

 

[strela]

Oddly all the medical staff in Russia who complain about COVID-19 issue retractions and then fall out of high windows.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...tal-window-after-coronavirus-complaint-a70176

I am more than sure that Russia have way better ways to shut someone rather than trow him from the second flor. On the other hand I can perfectly imagine a drunk person shouting and falling from a window... in Russia.
But I understand. They are Communist after all. And we all know that Communist eat children.

 

[Famine]

I am more than sure that Russia have way better ways to shut someone rather than trow him from the second flor. On the other hand I can perfectly imagine a drunk person shouting and falling from a window... in Russia.

Yes, it is entirely reasonable that three medics in three different incidents, got drunk and fell out of a high window shouting, after criticising Russia's response to COVID-19. It's definitely totally normal for Russians who criticise Russia - and their non-Russian friends and allies - to fall from high places while drunk.

 

[strela]

Yes, it is entirely reasonable that three medics in three different incidents, got drunk and fell out of a high window shouting, after criticising Russia's response to COVID-19. It's definitely totally normal for Russians who criticise Russia - and their non-Russian friends and allies - to fall from high places while drunk.

Now I get it why they immediately recovered him. So they can trow him properly next time.

 

[Milouse]

And when I click that link the page doesn't even exist anymore. They're trying to hide the truth!

It just worked for me.

 

[strela]

@Famine. Is this the second doctor that was trown out of the window?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...-from-hospital-window-amid-coronavirus-a70124

 

[Famine]

Now I get it why they immediately recovered him. So they can trow him properly next time.

Throw? He fell.

He's very lucky he didn't land on his back on those knives, or some bullets.

 

[strela]

Throw? He fell.

He's very lucky he didn't land on his back on those knives, or some bullets.

Could be. He was lucky enough that the he fell from the second floor and not from the 6th in the first place.

 

[PzR Slim]

Deaths in England and Wales for week ending 24.4.20 have been release by ONS.

 

[PzR Slim]

Stock up on Vitamin D I guess. You could argue the lockdown makes us less likely to get the sunlight we need and so makes us more susceptible!

 

[Famine]

Could be. He was lucky enough that the he fell from the second floor and not from the 6th in the first place.

Perhaps the rope broke, and he missed the subway tracks.

 

[PzR Slim]

UK peeps, what is everyone's thoughts on the contact tracing app that is being trialled? I was totally up for it a week ago but I keep seeing stories that make me doubt that. How do you tell if it's just paranoia these days?

 

[strela]

Perhaps the rope broke, and he missed the subway tracks.

Perhaps. I think we will never know the truth.. unless he recover and report it himself.
But you must understand that is really hard to believe someone would throw a person just because he made a video showing concern about being exposed to the virus because of the workplace, just because suspected of infecting others or because

opposing to repurposing another of the hospital’s buildings. Which has nothing to do with the government. Or am I missing something?​

 

[Touring Mars]

UK peeps, what is everyone's thoughts on the contact tracing app that is being trialled? I was totally up for it a week ago but I keep seeing stories that make me doubt that. How do you tell if it's just paranoia these days?

I've not really given it a lot of thought, but it seems overly reliant on people being honest and also on a high participation rate... which makes me wonder how much of it is going to be voluntary.

People are already expected to police themselves by self-isolating if they have any symptoms, but this seems to rely on people self-isolating if their phone tells them that someone they have been in contact with (and I don't know what that means precisely) who has developed symptoms... I can't see that working very well.

As for the privacy issues, that is another story - not overly concerned about it right now, but there is potential (perhaps a lot) for misuse. Given the people who are seemingly behind these apps - and what they do with people's data - doesn't exactly fill me with optimism.

 

[Famine]

Perhaps. I think we will never know the truth.. unless he recover and report it himself.

Before making another retraction video and then stabbing himself in the chest twice?

 

[strela]

Before making another retraction video and then stabbing himself in the chest twice?

You keep telling those jokes and I'm really trying to understand what you're trying to prove?
Let's go back a little bit..

Oddly all the medical staff in Russia who complain about COVID-19 issue retractions and then fall out of high windows.

Are you suggesting that only 3 people complained? Perhaps there are others that got thrown too but we don't know yet? That comment was so misleading and provocative.

after criticising Russia's response to COVID-19.

You said that like it's a fact while every single article of those three deads are pointing in another direction.

Maybe your first post was a joke like the last ones. Judging from your second post didn't look like. So now I wonder. Is this just a battle of who will win this debate. Because if that's the case I surrender. I don't want to fight nobody. But if you bring something substantial I am willing to continue.

 

[Famine]

You keep telling those jokes and I'm really trying to understand what you're trying to prove?

What jokes?

Russian dissidents really have died accidentally, or committed suicide, by falling from high windows and ledges, jumping in front of subway trains, stabbing themselves twice in the chest (both fatal stabs), suffering completely out of the blue heart attacks (some after ingesting poison, accidentally), and also been shot dead in random robberies gone wrong.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/britain-the-official-thread.248645/page-218#post-12243708
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/britain-the-official-thread.248645/page-218#post-12244441

The chap in question here - the third medic to have questioned Russia's COVID-19 response and then fallen out of a window - fell out of a window after recording a video retracting his criticisms.

Perhaps there are others that got thrown too but we don't know yet?

Thrown? No, they fell. These are all accidents.

 

[strela]

The chap in question here - the third medic to have questioned Russia's COVID-19 response and then fallen out of a window - fell out of a window after recording a video retracting his criticisms.

Those are the three cases.
1)The head of a Siberian hospital repurposed for coronavirus patients is in critical condition after she fell from the hospital building following a conference call with health officials, local media reportedSaturday.

Nepomnyashchaya was allegedly opposed to repurposing another of the hospital’s buildings to house 80 Covid-19 patients because of its shortage of protective gear and lack of proper training among staff, TVK cited an unnamed source as saying.​

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...from-hospital-for-coronavirus-patients-a70109

2)Unconfirmed reports citing her colleagues suggested that Lebedeva may have taken her own life after facing accusations of allowing a Covid-19 outbreak to spread among the cosmonaut training center’s medical staff. Lebedeva reportedly contracted Covid-19 from Star City colleagues she had helped hospitalize.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...-from-hospital-window-amid-coronavirus-a70124
3)A paramedic who complained about being forced to work despite contracting coronavirus is in critical condition after he fell from a hospital window in western Russia this weekend, local media reported​

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020...tal-window-after-coronavirus-complaint-a70176

Where is the part where they questioned Russia's COVID-19 response? Please illuminate me.​

 

[DesertPenguin]

Thrown? No, they fell. These are all accidents.

As far as we know/want to believe

 

[Joey D]

Thrown? No, they fell. These are all accidents.

There's an "In Soviet Russia" joke in there somewhere but I can't find it.

But ya, it doesn't take a big leap of faith to come to the conclusion that the Russian government is staging "accidents" for those who question its response to various events.

 

[PzR Slim]

International shortage.

 

[Famine]

Where is the part where they questioned Russia's COVID-19 response? Please illuminate me.

Nepomnyashchaya was allegedly opposed to repurposing another of the hospital’s buildings

News of Lebedeva’s death comes days after the chief doctor of a repurposed coronavirus hospital in Siberia fell from the hospital’s fifth-floor window following talks with health officials.

She opposed the state's response, and fell out of a window after a phone call with the state's representatives.

A paramedic who complained about being forced to work despite contracting coronavirus

He fell out of a window after making a video complaining that the state required him to work (as part of the state's coronavirus response) despite having coronavirus, then filmed another three days later to retract his complaint. His colleague who filmed the video is under investigation for "spreading fake news".

The middle one, Lebedeva, fell out of a window after she was apparently blamed for her actions (thus actions the state would not have taken) with regards to a COVID-19 outbreak at Russia cosmonaut training facility (a state-owned facility) in Star City.


But, like all the other incidents where people fall out of windows, off rooftops, in front of subway trains, get shot in bungled robberies, have mystery helicopter crashes with no cause, have heart attacks, and inflict numerous fatal stab wounds to themselves, after saying Russia isn't great, they are all accidents and suicides. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

 

[Joey D]

International shortage.

There are shortages depending on the country. In the US the federal government created the shortage by having FEMA just buy everything in sight and outbid (or force out) state governments and health systems from buying PPE. Masks aren't exactly difficult to make, it's just the feds feel the need to horde the stuff for some reason.

 

[Danoff]

it's just the feds feel the need to horde the stuff for some reason.

In case there's a pandemic.

 

[McLaren]

There are shortages depending on the country. In the US the federal government created the shortage by having FEMA just buy everything in sight and outbid (or force out) state governments and health systems from buying PPE. Masks aren't exactly difficult to make, it's just the feds feel the need to horde the stuff for some reason.

Question for you since you're an expert in that field.

With a lot of people discussing how hospitals aren't maxed out, there's enough ventilators, etc. etc. (whether these claims are true/false), if there is a shortage of PPE for hospitals, does that not continue to make the concern on over-loading hospitals an issue? Just because a hospital is down from 100% Covid patients admitted to 25%, if there is a lack of PPE, does the hospital still face a serious risk of being over-taxed just the same b/c the medical staff has to ration or go without PPE for any patient?

 

[Joey D]

Question for you since you're an expert in that field.

With a lot of people discussing how hospitals aren't maxed out, there's enough ventilators, etc. etc. (whether these claims are true/false), if there is a shortage of PPE for hospitals, does that not continue to make the concern on over-loading hospitals an issue? Just because a hospital is down from 100% Covid patients admitted to 25%, if there is a lack of PPE, does the hospital still face a serious risk of being over-taxed just the same?

Yes, absolutely. Without proper PPE, it reduces the number of patients that a hospital can safely treat. It also amplifies the cross-contamination probability that wouldn't exist otherwise and that causes its own set of problems (just imagine a flu outbreak ontop of a COVID outbreak). However, hospitals in some places are just forgoing the PPE and having staff reuse masks in between patients (or sometimes one for an entire 12 hours shift). The same goes for gowns and face shields too. I don't believe gloves are in short supply though, but I could be wrong.

Another big issue is that without PPE you turn staff into patients. I think I remember reading that something like 700 medical staff at Metro Detroit hospitals acquired COVID due to the lack of PPE. That immensely short staffs a hospital and puts a big load on health services.

Thankfully, several hospitals have the ability to collect and send out their uses PPE for sterilization and repackaging. It's not exactly cheap though and as you can imagine their services are in super high demand right now. We're lucky enough to have a company locally that can do it, but not every hospital is so fortunate.

Per FEMA, the reason they're buying up all the supplies is to redistribute them to places with the greatest need. While that makes sense on the surface, it does lead to other problems like creating a shortage in other areas of the country.

 

[strela]

She opposed the state's response, and fell out of a window after a phone call with the state's representatives.

She opposed to repurposing of a building during a meeting and that's like opposing the state's response? And that somehow leaded to an staged accident? This look like a KGB spy movie material.
I am aware that Russia may use some controversial methods. But then why would they just detain the leader of the Medical Workers Union who was publicly accusing the government of covering up the Covid situation?
1.https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/othe...denying-them-protective-equipment/ar-BB11tkoY
2.https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...doctor-who-exposed-flaws-in-covid19-response/

And there's another article that shows many important doctors speaking up to the current situation in Russia.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/30/...irus-hospitals-lockdown-anger-intl/index.html

So while I can agree with you that those accidents are weird I doubt that the cause is opposing the state response. In the end some will believe anything. Me included.

 

[Touring Mars]

Prof. Neil Ferguson, one of the UK's top epidemiologists and a key adviser to the UK government on the pandemic, has resigned after it has been reported that he has been flouting lockdown rules to go and visit his (married) lover...

...meanwhile, the Twittersphere explodes in righteous indignation, with predictable outrage over how this guy is 'responsible for the lockdown' with his 'bogus predictions' and that no-one should ever listen to a scientific adviser again...

Great.

Before making another retraction video and then stabbing himself in the chest twice?

I presume that if he warned of breathing difficulties, this isn't exactly what he meant...

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Wow, watch till the end for the cure.

 

[strela]

Wow, watch till the end for the cure.

Chloroquine was proposed as a treatment for SARS-CoV the same year. In 2003.