COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Nobody here complain about lack of treatment.
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That will change now that your country is opening up again. Hopefully you will be more successful in keeping the virus out of nursery homes than we have been. Because that is the real issue here, rather than that dying patients are receiving palliative care instead of whatever treatment their relatives and random youtubers believe would have saved their lives.

I'm not Swede so you can go through the rest of Angry Foreigner sources https://www.angryforeigner.net/news/the-truth-about-swedens-corona-strategy-is-staggering
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If you don’t understand his sources, what makes you think he has any support for what he is saying? He is confusing two separate things: palliative care and ICU priorities when hospitals have met their maximum capacity. The hospitals have not met their maximum capacity so there shouldn’t be any prioritising done (if there are, then those hospitals are breaking the law and they will surely face consequences for it).

Full palliative care kicks in when a patient is so ill that they are not expected to recover. Treatment is then focused on dealing with the symptoms to make the patient as comfortable as possible.

These “whistleblowers” are showing examples of palliative care and pretending that they are examples of patients being denied treatment.

The documents about prioritising patients explicitly say that age is not a valid reason for denying a patient treatment, but instead the likelihood that a treatment will be beneficial should be considered. That means that an elderly patient who is fit and have a real chance to recover may be prioritised over a young patient who is in a fragile condition.

And those guidelines only kick in when the hospitals have met their maximum capacity (and even then as a last measure when all other measures have been taken).

I dare say that all hospitals around the world have similar guidelines on how to prioritise patients in the event that they have reached maximum capacity (whether it’s a plane crash, a pandemic or war). If they don’t have any guidelines, they leave it to the individual doctors to make these decisions on their own, which puts them in a very difficult ethical dilemma.

So all criticism is made up?
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No, just misinformed and deliberately distorted. Like most of the sources you manage to stumble upon. Some criticism is probably entirely fictional though.

No, because these matters are in competency of doctors and not politicians.
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In other words, they are hiding these documents from the public. The so called “whistleblower” documents your sources mention have been openly published from the beginning and were widely reported on by media when they were first published.

But you can see our statistics:

Czech Republic - Total cases/1M pop: 745 Deaths/1M pop: 25 Tests/1M pop: 26,783
Sweden - Total cases/1M pop: 2,438 Deaths/1M pop: 301 Tests/1M pop: 14,704
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I’m not denying that a lockdown is more efficient in the short term. Good luck keeping your country in lockdown for two years.

Do you at least know if you guys are achieving herd immunity?
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That depends on the kind of immunity that recovered patients get, and that’s not something we know yet. The primary goal of our strategy is not to achieve herd immunity though (even though that would be great), it’s to keep a balance between restrictions and a functioning society so that the measures can be sustained for a long period of time. A lockdown is likely more efficient in the short term, but unfortunately it can’t be maintained for very long, which is why more and more countries are now starting to lift their restrictions and seek a more balanced approach.

It is a failure that so many elderly people have died here. It’s not because they are refused treatment, but because we were unable to keep the virus away from our nursery homes. That has got to do with routines on local levels as well as a systematic flaw where many of those working in nursery homes have a weaker employment status (substitutes or employed “by the hour”), giving them less access to health benefits and giving them strong incentives to go to work even if they are not feeling well.
 
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That will change now that your country is opening up again. Hopefully you will be more successful in keeping the virus out of nursery homes than we have been. Because that is the real issue here, rather than that dying patients are receiving palliative care instead of whatever treatment their relatives and random youtubers believe would have saved their lives.
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Just wanted to point out that the correct term in English is "nursing homes". Nurseries are for small children ... or for growing flowers. Please feel free to correct my Swedish when warranted. ;)
 
There was a man in Florida who threw a public fit about not being let into a Publix without a mask, citing he has a right to buy groceries without being forced into terrorism & exclaiming afterward the employees are going to be mass arrested & executed for terrorism.

Sounds like Florida man, but I think Florida Man is usually dumb enough to do more than bark.
 
I mean you gotta do what you gotta do. *Shrug*

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I'm wondering why toilet paper companies haven't stepped up to fix this problem yet.
 
There's still a toilet paper shortage? The shelves at the Target by me have been pretty well stocked for the past couple of weeks.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Fry's has napkins? Or did somebody just drop the stickers on there?
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It appears it's owned by Kroger, so I'd imagine so. Mind you that's not the Fry's Electronics logo, in case that's what's throwing you.

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TexRex
It appears it's owned by Kroger, so I'd imagine so. Mind you that's not the Fry's Electronics logo, in case that's what's throwing you.

Edit: Tree'd.
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Things make sense now, though I guess an electronics store could sell napkins. in theory.
 
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Things make sense now, though I guess an electronic's store could sell napkins. in theory.
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Fry's Electronics sells toothpaste. I haven't seen napkins, but then I haven't looked. I saw toothpaste and said to myself, "Fry's Electronics sells toothpaste."
 
R1600Turbo
Fry's in AZ is a grocery store.

In my area, yes. No Target here.
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Do your stores still not have a limit per customer OR are they horrible at enforcing the limit OR are they just not receiving shipments?
 
Blitz24
Do your stores still not have a limit per customer OR are they horrible at enforcing the limit OR are they just not receiving shipments?
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Every store in my area has had empty shelves for toilet paper and paper towels since the initial hoarding. Some of them have a limit on water, others have since dropped that limit.
 
R1600Turbo
Every store in my area has had empty shelves for toilet paper and paper towels since the initial hoarding. Some of them have a limit on water, others have since dropped that limit.
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Almost sounds like they aren't getting in new shipments. We are having no issues with water or anything here.
 
Submerged
I had not seen this.

Oh. My. God.

That is the worse thing the newspapers could have done especially considering we got some good weather this coming weekend.
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I mean, in the states, we have the dimwits protesting and some of them in politics. However, majority of them are not in the media (probably). Guess it's different on the other side of the pond.
 
Blitz24
Almost sounds like they aren't getting in new shipments. We are having no issues with water or anything here.
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Water seems to be fine now but TP shelves still empty. There's a Walmart distribution hub in my town but the one store here has nothing.
 
Here's an article about one of the projects I've been apart of for about the past month.

https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaf...rk86WB-7nAzkuvdw6MkthHC6FsMfddDh1aLv2Rfulk75c

The University of Utah is working to do a random sampling of 10,000 residents in the four countries in and around the Salt Lake Valley. From this, they are going to take the data to develop a model and attempt to figure out what the true number of our COVID cases are. My part has been really small compared to what some of the experts and data scientists are doing. I'm really interested to see the results and I hope they can get the data relatively quickly.
 
Joey D
There's still a toilet paper shortage? The shelves at the Target by me have been pretty well stocked for the past couple of weeks.
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Yeah, we were lucky to find TP for our bunghole, the cheap stuff...
 
R1600Turbo
Water seems to be fine now but TP shelves still empty. There's a Walmart distribution hub in my town but the one store here has nothing.
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I can't believe this is still a problem this deep into this thing. I just came back from Publix and there is a little TP and a decent amount of paper towels. However Target last week was nearly full on both and there was about half full shelves at Walmart.
 
So we finally had a work meeting earlier in the week about the coronavirus and shutdown, etc.

It took a while for the big bosses to come up with a plan, but for good reason. We all have to make some sacrifices, some more than others, but not bad. Good news is that they worked out a plan to keep the company afloat without furloughs or layoffs, so that was very nice to hear.
 

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