COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Scotland is gradually lifting some lockdown restrictions today.

It means that my Dad can come over to visit my sister and nephew, but the new guidelines suggest that physical distancing is maintained and that all meetings so remain outdoors. Thankfully, she has a garden and is planning to invite my Dad over for some food.

The spanner in the works is my sister's dog. It sounds trivial, but it is something I am struggling to explain - my general point is, there isn't much point in sticking to physical distancing recommendations if you are going to let a dog roam free and physically interact with everyone.

This means that I am favour of putting the dog in its crate while either my Dad or Mum visit my sister's house, but this also raises problems (as the dog doesn't like being crated when it knows people are around).

I wondered what other people are planning to do if you have similar considerations... it has been difficult for everyone to stay isolated from family members for weeks and weeks, and so many people are looking forward to being able to invite friends and family over to their homes this weekend, albeit with physical distancing measures still in place.... but people with pets may have more of a problem with this, and argue (as I suspect my sister will) that it doesn't make any difference.
 
Touring Mars
The spanner in the works is my sister's dog.
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The CDC of the USA has advice about pets and pet interactions at the link below. Maybe the dog could be kept on a leash held by one of your sister’s “bubble” members.

EDIT: I’m very sympathetic to your plight. I’ve had many dogs, and they don’t like being locked up. However most (in my experience) will be happy if they are able to interact with a subset of the gathering. In this case, your sister’s bubble. Alternatively, you could put the crate outside and place dog plus sister inside it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/pets.html

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Interesting WSJ article about how COVID-19 deaths are counted. (Or are not counted.)

No wonder Belgium looks so bad. They may be one of the very few jurisdictions which are obtaining a true count. Look at the charts in the article which show the reported COVID deaths with deaths from all causes. Belgium has eliminated any unexplained gap between the COVID bump and the “all causes” bump.

https://apple.news/AMb4rtlXRRXKypUKp5JGQMQ

Here’s the direct link, which may be behind a paywall.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/most-countries-fail-to-capture-extent-of-covid-19-deaths-11590658200

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EDIT 2: Then there’s New Zealand where they are counting the late May death of a patient who was diagnosed with COVID-19 in mid April and subsequently recovered, as a COVID-19 death.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...ovid-19-in-new-zealand-for-sixth-day-in-a-row
 
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Touring Mars
Scotland is gradually lifting some lockdown restrictions today.

It means that my Dad can come over to visit my sister and nephew, but the new guidelines suggest that physical distancing is maintained and that all meetings so remain outdoors. Thankfully, she has a garden and is planning to invite my Dad over for some food.

The spanner in the works is my sister's dog. It sounds trivial, but it is something I am struggling to explain - my general point is, there isn't much point in sticking to physical distancing recommendations if you are going to let a dog roam free and physically interact with everyone.

This means that I am favour of putting the dog in its crate while either my Dad or Mum visit my sister's house, but this also raises problems (as the dog doesn't like being crated when it knows people are around).

I wondered what other people are planning to do if you have similar considerations... it has been difficult for everyone to stay isolated from family members for weeks and weeks, and so many people are looking forward to being able to invite friends and family over to their homes this weekend, albeit with physical distancing measures still in place.... but people with pets may have more of a problem with this, and argue (as I suspect my sister will) that it doesn't make any difference.
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That's a conundrum for sure; I know I wouldn't want to crate our Jack Russell with visitors over, she's far too friendly and it's always a worry to create a negative association with what's meant to be her own space (the crate)

In our case I'd say the whining might be more of an ordeal than the virus!

But in seriousness I'd say it depends on the dog, if you feel he/she can behave and keep their distance i.e stay with the owners and not go jumping at every kid, then you'd surely be fine to have the dog out, just try to keep on top of the cuddles situation I suppose.

And I can see your angle that you don't want to cause a fuss over the dog when people just want to see each other, but surely in times like these it's valid. If you have that concern I'd raise it, even if you might be called paranoid.
 
Touring Mars
Scotland is gradually lifting some lockdown restrictions today.

It means that my Dad can come over to visit my sister and nephew, but the new guidelines suggest that physical distancing is maintained and that all meetings so remain outdoors. Thankfully, she has a garden and is planning to invite my Dad over for some food.

The spanner in the works is my sister's dog. It sounds trivial, but it is something I am struggling to explain - my general point is, there isn't much point in sticking to physical distancing recommendations if you are going to let a dog roam free and physically interact with everyone.

This means that I am favour of putting the dog in its crate while either my Dad or Mum visit my sister's house, but this also raises problems (as the dog doesn't like being crated when it knows people are around).

I wondered what other people are planning to do if you have similar considerations... it has been difficult for everyone to stay isolated from family members for weeks and weeks, and so many people are looking forward to being able to invite friends and family over to their homes this weekend, albeit with physical distancing measures still in place.... but people with pets may have more of a problem with this, and argue (as I suspect my sister will) that it doesn't make any difference.
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I'm not attempting social distancing with house guests. Maybe for like a home repair I'd try it with masks, gloves, etc. But for house guests I just make sure that we're comfortable with what they've been doing and they're comfortable with what we've been doing. So our dog is not quarantined for house guests. We've not had anyone in our house who is in an obvious high risk category.

For that kind of circumstance it seems like most authorities are suggesting strict lockdown for all parties involved for a period prior to the visit.
 
If it were just me, I wouldn't be too bothered about social distancing from my sister and nephew - but it is my parents (Dad is 78 and has asthma, Mum is 75 and has a lowered immune system), so we need to take special care around them.

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Meanwhile, China has apparently ruled out that Wuhan 'wet' market at the source of the virus, as well as a nearby virus lab...

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-wet-market.html

(Reference article is a WSJ article that is paywalled)...

Instead, it is likely that the cases related to the Wuhan wet market were an early 'superspreader' event, but it is already the subject of much doubt that the virus originated there, since some early cases were known to be unconnected to the market.

China is, of course, keen to deflect the blame and counter US suspicions that the virus escaped from a Chinese research lab... and as tensions between China and the US hot up, don't be surprised if the Chinese start to point fingers at the US.
 
Danoff
I'm not attempting social distancing with house guests.
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Touring Mars
If it were just me, I wouldn't be too bothered about social distancing from my sister and nephew - but it is my parents (Dad is 78 and has asthma, Mum is 75 and has a lowered immune system), so we need to take special care around them.
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I hear you! I am also 78, so there's a serious risk factor.

Here are some of our practices. Our neighbors are of the same mindset.

We do not have guests inside our home, but we do hang out with trusted guests in our well-aired outdoor courtyard, keeping 3 or more meters apart typically. Bring your own glasses for drinks. No snack bowl sharing. No masks required. Nobody brings pets. The guests we have around live within a short walk, so if they want a bathroom, they can use their own.

This situation works well for us all, it's great to see our friends in person again. Same rules at their place.

Friends are returning from Florida to Massachusetts next month, but we will not have them in our courtyard until they've been back at least 2 weeks.

We did have a repair guy inside the home for our dishwasher. Masks required, windows open to let air through. 3 meter distances.
 
Danoff
I'm not attempting social distancing with house guests. Maybe for like a home repair I'd try it with masks, gloves, etc. But for house guests I just make sure that we're comfortable with what they've been doing and they're comfortable with what we've been doing. So our dog is not quarantined for house guests. We've not had anyone in our house who is in an obvious high risk category.
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If I'm honest, I'm a little surprised by this given other remarks you've made regarding your efforts to deal with the present situation. I'm not saying it's wrong; I'm just surprised.

We haven't had any company apart from our daughter since lockdown efforts began in earnest here. Our daughter comes over to clean periodically, for some extra cash, and usually stays for dinner, but she actually masks up when working and limits contact when not. She works regular hours at a supermarket, though, and she has little control over to whom she's exposed. Her efforts when she's here are hers to make and aren't expected by my wife and I.

The dogs are okay. Sage loves attention when she can get it but doesn't actively seek it out. The puppy is a little more rambunctious but is usually content to gnaw on my foot.

Okay, I lied. My mother in-law was over in...March? I think it was the end of March or into April. It was shortly before my wife's birthday and I don't recall when in relation to Easter other than it wasn't that weekend or even during a weekend at all.
 
TexRex
If I'm honest, I'm a little surprised by this given other remarks you've made regarding your efforts to deal with the present situation. I'm not saying it's wrong; I'm just surprised.

We haven't had any company apart from our daughter since lockdown efforts began in earnest here. Our daughter comes over to clean periodically, for some extra cash, and usually stays for dinner, but she actually masks up when working and limits contact when not. She works regular hours at a supermarket, though, and she has little control over to whom she's exposed. Her efforts when she's here are hers to make and aren't expected by my wife and I.

The dogs are okay. Sage loves attention when she can get it but doesn't actively seek it out. The puppy is a little more rambunctious but is usually content to gnaw on my foot.

Okay, I lied. My mother in-law was over in...March? I think it was the end of March or into April. It was shortly before my wife's birthday and I don't recall when in relation to Easter other than it wasn't that weekend or even during a weekend at all.
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It's just my sister and her husband who visit, and we have more exposure to coronavirus than they do.
 
In terms of curve flattening, I'm going to say mission accomplished (for now). Colorado (and the US) has a very steady rate of new COVID cases. My state is marching along around 200-400 new cases per day, and has been for quite a few weeks, with new case numbers falling slightly over that time. If we assume that the actual rate of infection is 10x that number, then we're moving through a few thousand people per day. That's a pretty "flat curve", although it would put us at reaching herd immunity about 3 years from now. So if anything it is too slow unless we're banking on a vaccine.

I think we're banking on a vaccine.
 
Danoff
....I think we're banking on a vaccine.
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I think that is what everyone is banking on. Was reading an article yesterday predicting timeline for herd immunity... and yeah it was sitting at 2-3 years for most places.

In NZ we have to have a vaccine, we flattened our curve so quickly that herd immunity would be a impossibility now ... I think our active cases are in single digits now ?
 
Having a certain number of COVID-19 cases doesn't mean it it flattening if it doesn't last for more than 14 days.

As we know that it takes 14-21 days before anyone, from any country, can breathe easily that the peak or the flattening part has passed and it goes down.

For me, I kinda expect after two weeks from now, maybe three, we will have a minor second peak after all the stuff we did previous.
 
Danoff
I think we're banking on a vaccine.
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A vaccine is imperative. My wife was reading an article yesterday on a study of cruise ship passengers which showed that 80% of those who tested positive were asymptomatic. If 80% of the people who have it have no idea they have it then a vaccine or routine testing for the whole population and self-isolation are the only way to get rid of it.
 
...Trump deciding to cut ties with WHO seems like one of the dumbest decisions I can think of, especially for the reasons he's been citing.

I mean, he's unhappy with China (or more correctly in this case, Chinese Communist Party) turning WHO into their lapdog but if the US leaves the organisation for good, wouldn't that mean the Chinese influence will only grow bigger in turn? Isn't that what his Trumpness's been complaining about in the first place?

Talk about being counterproductive.
 
Man that reads like a Simpsons episode. Something like it was the best of samples, it was the blurst of samples.
 
So, I'd been reading that Arizona, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, & Texas apparently have rising numbers. Hard to hear much of it on the news due to the protests, so I Googled for myself. If I'm reading this correctly, it looks like since re-opening, the numbers were slowly going up, then took a nose-dive for a while, and now have shot back up. Is this a temporary increase, or part of what was to be expected? The reported hospitalizations (which is what we've been told to focus on more than anything) seem to up and down a lot?

https://media.kvue.com/assets/KVUE/...5b4-719b-4859-aaa5-8e457ada02fb_1920x1080.png
https://media.kvue.com/assets/KVUE/...da0-0ba4-4c67-9ccb-495e085c84c9_1920x1080.png
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/h...exas/269-87aefe43-a064-4f4a-a489-b6cc4e948f63

*Added the 2 images as links since they're bigger than on the original article.
 

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