COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

[Touring Mars]

COVID might be a vascular disease.

A vascular viral infection that starts as a respiratory disease is according to the author "virtually unheard of" but apparently fits some of the facts.

A friend of mine suggested this about two weeks ago, and evidence appears to be growing that this could be the case.

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The infection rate will inevitably increase as social interactions (including workplaces) are ramped up again, but the question is whether testing, tracking and tracing can keep a lid on the infection rate and keep it within manageable bounds.

A lot is being made of the 'R' number, but it is nigh on impossible to know the R value accurately, and it is also not the only consideration. The raw number of people carrying the virus is also not known, but is just as important as any other metric... outbreaks across the globe started from just a handful of infected individuals - now every country in the world has thousands of infected people, many (if not the great majority of which) will never know that they were infected (and infectious).

The R number in the UK is now a lot lower than it was at the beginning of the outbreak, and yet the number of new cases each day is still around double that of when the lockdown was imposed; this is simply because of the sheer number of infectious people... each one is, on average, infecting fewer people (less than one, as opposed to around 3 or 4 each), but there is far more people to spread the virus now than there was... hence conditions are perfect for a second wave which, without maintaining efforts to limit the spread of the virus, could be alot worse than what we have already seen. That being the case, a second lockdown may have to be imposed very quickly - and it remains to be seen how well that will be received by an already weary general public.

 

[UKMikey]

These photos were taken on a seemingly packed Dorset beach where "baying crowds" encouraged people to jump 200ft off the local rock formation Durdle Door resulting in helicopter ambulances being called and the beach shut down to visitors.

I can't imagine what things are going to be like once the restrictions are relaxed next month.

https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/1...r-people-injured-jumping-off-top-durdle-door/
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/1...--arch-encouraged-baying-crowds-packed-beach/

 

[Dotini]

These photos were taken on a seemingly packed Dorset beach where "baying crowds" encouraged people to jump 200ft off the local rock formation Durdle Door resulting in helicopter ambulances being called and the beach shut down to visitors.

I can't imagine what things are going to be like once the restrictions are relaxed next month.

https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/1...r-people-injured-jumping-off-top-durdle-door/
https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/1...--arch-encouraged-baying-crowds-packed-beach/

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Do you mean to suggest that humans are obeying some urge to throw themselves off cliffs like lemmings?

 

[MaxAttack]

In fairness, I've been to Durdle Door multiple times, and I don't recall a time that someone didn't jump off it (not usually the very top), egged on by the swimmers below.

The implication that British beach-goers are any more reckless or a bigger pain in the neck due to the lockdown is incorrect. As a resident of a British seaside resort, I can tell you they are always exactly this dumb.

 

[Dotini]

COVID might be a vascular disease.

A vascular viral infection that starts as a respiratory disease is according to the author "virtually unheard of" but apparently fits some of the facts.

This could be the best news since Gutenburg invented his printing press 6 centuries ago, as it "Explains Everything". Wow science.

Coronavirus May Be a Blood Vessel Disease, Which Explains Everything
Many of the infection’s bizarre symptoms have one thing in common

Dana G Smith
May 28 · 8 min read

 

[UKMikey]

Do you mean to suggest that humans are obeying some urge to throw themselves off cliffs like lemmings?

Not really. Lemmings don't throw themselves off cliffs.

 

[Dotini]

Not really. Lemmings don't throw themselves off cliffs.

"Someone who blindly follows a crowd—maybe even toward catastrophe—is called a lemming. Over the past century, the myth has been invoked to express modern anxieties about how individuality could be submerged and destroyed by mass phenomena, such as political movements or consumer culture."

 

[Grand Prix]

The lemmings committing suicide myth was perpetrated by Walt Disney Studios in the 1958 nature documentary titled "White Wilderness." It would be pretty difficult for a species to survive if specimens just committed mass suicide all the time.

The fact that some people (not saying you do, Dotini) still believe in this myth is a delicious bit of irony.

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If COVID-19 is indeed a vascular disease, it sounds very much like FOXDIE from Metal Gear Solid.

 

[Dotini]

If COVID-19 is indeed a vascular disease, it sounds very much like FOXDIE from Metal Gear Solid.

Indeed, "FOXDIE was an engineered retrovirus developed by the DIA for the Pentagon."

At the moment, it convenient to say non-peer reviewed science is no better than ass-wipe, so COVID-19 is NOT a vascular disease. At this moment.

 

[gnomefromnome]

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/S...-in-COVID-19-with-27-new-cases-570908391.html

ANCHORAGE (KTUU) - The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services announced 27 new cases of COVID-19 in Alaska Sunday, the biggest spike in cases the state has seen since the pandemic began. This brings the state's total number of COVID-19 cases to 460.

this after a bunch of 0 to 2 cases per day before the 'reopening'

 

[Danoff]

Indeed, "FOXDIE was an engineered retrovirus developed by the DIA for the Pentagon."

At the moment, it convenient to say non-peer reviewed science is no better than ass-wipe, so COVID-19 is NOT a vascular disease. At this moment.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext

Here's the paper cited by the article I posted explaining that COVID-19 can infect engineered blood cells. So it's a little better than ass-wipe.

 

[Dotini]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext

Here's the paper cited by the article I posted explaining that COVID-19 can infect engineered blood cells. So it's a little better than ass-wipe.

Humpf. A one sheet letter to the editor? That's not even ass-wipe good. Three sheets, please.

 

[Danoff]

Humpf. A one sheet letter to the editor? That's not even ass-wipe good. Three sheets, please.

I'd much prefer that they send out important information as soon as possible than that they sit and polish their paper so that @Dotini can be impressed. This is what we have at the moment, feel free to be skeptical. I'd encourage you to bring that skepticism to other areas of knowledge.

 

[Joey D]

Humpf. A one sheet letter to the editor? That's not even ass-wipe good. Three sheets, please.

The Lancet is a legitimate medical journal and doesn't exactly publish hearsay. If you want to read another paper on regarding COVID being a potential cardiovascular disease, you can refer to the New England Medical Journal too:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2015432

The medical community as a whole is starting to accept that COVID-19 might be more cardiovascular-related than respiratory-related too. There needs to be more studying done, but it's not like it's an off the wall theory.

 

[Dotini]

I'd much prefer that they send out important information as soon as possible than that they sit and polish their paper so that @Dotini can be impressed. This is what we have at the moment, feel free to be skeptical. I'd encourage you to bring that skepticism to other areas of knowledge.

Over years the practice here at GTP Forums is to not accept non-peer reviewed science as established science, but to hold it aside as possibly interesting until better established by repeated experiment and peer review.

In view of the extreme gravity of the suggestion that coronavirus is disease of the vascular system, head to toe, I think caution and skepticism is required now.

 

[Danoff]

Over years the practice here at GTP Forums is to not accept non-peer reviewed science as established science, but to hold it aside as possibly interesting until better established by repeated experiment and peer review.

In view of the extreme gravity of the suggestion that coronavirus is disease of the vascular system, I think caution and skepticism is required now.

I see. So "hold it aside as possibly interesting" means calling it ass-wipe?

 

[Dotini]

I see. So "hold it aside as possibly interesting" means calling it ass-wipe?

It's mockery.
Over the past ten years, almost every time I have cited a pre-print science paper, I have been called out for it, and even mocked.

 

[Danoff]

It's mockery.
Over the past ten years, almost every time I have cited a pre-print science paper, I have been called out for it, and even mocked.

The problem is just not that simple. It's not sufficient to just say "this is pre-print, it is ass-wipe" or "this is not pre-print, it is golden". The peer review process does not change ass wipe to gold. Unfortunately determining what is credible requires a more thoughtful approach.

However, nobody is denying that a skeptical approach is warranted here. I just think you're demonstrating selective rigor.

 

[Dotini]

The problem is just not that simple. It's not sufficient to just say "this is pre-print, it is ass-wipe" or "this is not pre-print, it is golden". The peer review process does not change ass wipe to gold. Unfortunately determining what is credible requires a more thoughtful approach.

However, nobody is denying that a skeptical approach is warranted here. I just think you're demonstrating selective rigor.

More rigor is required for a potentially fatal disease everybody on the planet is coming down with. Less rigor is required when dealing with unproven space propulsion technology or life on Mars.

 

[Danoff]

More rigor is required for a potentially fatal disease everybody on the planet is coming down with. Less rigor is required when dealing with unproven space propulsion technology or life on Mars.

...to what...

More or less rigor is required to do.... what.... Much depends on the nature of the claim. For example, if I suggest that a theory exists which explains where half of the missing "normal" matter in the universe is, that theory, if it fits the facts, might require less rigor to suggest with any credibility on an internet forum than, for example, a theory which explains how time travel is possible. In one case, you have a circumstance where a theory is needed to fit unexplained facts, and in the other circumstance you're attempting to overturn a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

You in particular seem to really enjoy and latch on to theories which upend well established truths. These in particular require a great deal more rigor and evidence before they become credible, precisely because they upend well established truths.

 

[Dotini]

Another take on COVID-19 as a blood disease.


Supportive information here

 

[Famine]

non-peer reviewed science is no better than ass-wipe

Another take on COVID-19 as a blood disease.
[Youtube links]

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Joe Biden is that you?

 

[Dotini]

Yep, I'm willing to post and consider science material, not all peer reviewed, that rebuts my own argument. It is essential that I do so. Enough experience and evidence ought to change anybody's mind.

 

[Dennisch]

Amsterdam ****ing up 3 months of smart lockdown in one single day, because this cause was more important than national health.



dumb ****s.

 

[McLaren]

Wasn't @Famine pointing out the "weird" trend of Russians falling out of windows related to the virus? This article is from today, detailing a police colonel who was being treated.

A female police lieutenant colonel has fallen from a window on the fifth floor of a Moscow hospital treating coronavirus patients, Russian media reported.

The reports said the incident occurred at Moscow City Clinical Hospital No. 24 on the evening of May 30.

The woman, identified as 45-year-old Yulia B. by Komsomolsyaya Pravda, was described as a senior expert at the Forensic Center of the Interior Ministry.

The newspaper reported that the police lieutenant colonel died on the spot, but Russian media organization RBC said she survived the fall and was placed in an intensive-care unit.

Komsomolsyaya Pravda said the police colonel left her ward to go into the corridor, then "fell" from the fifth floor window, and landed on the grass below.

It was not immediately clear what exactly happened.

She had arrived at the hospital on May 23 after being diagnosed with the coronavirus.

The incident comes after three physicians in Russia fell out of windows amid mysterious circumstances during the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-pol...lls-from-moscow-hospital-window/30646886.html

 

[Dennisch]

"Vascular spasms cause uncoordinated muscle movement in Russian Covid victims, most likely caused by too much vodka in the blood."

The Kremlin, probably.

 

[Dotini]

"Vascular spasms cause uncoordinated muscle movement in Russian Covid victims, most likely caused by too much vodka in the blood."

The Kremlin, probably.

The aliens have assigned each nation it's own special virus, tailored to their tastes and weaknesses; vodka for the Russians, fries and hamburgers for Americans. /s

 

[Joey D]

More good news on the treatment/antibody/vaccine front:

First human trial of potential antibody treatment for Covid-19 begins

It's not clear if such a therapy will work against Covid-19, but when this treatment was used on cells in the lab, it blocked the ability of the virus to infect the cells, Skovronsky* said. The data is not yet published, but based on those results, scientists got the green light to take the next step and prepare it to be tried in patients.

*Dr. Dan Skovronsky, Eli Lilly's senior vice president and chief scientific officer

 

[Dotini]

Somewhat baffling results from coronavirus tests on new recruits at Fort Benning.
Also, Marines are getting hit hard at basic training.

COVID-19 prevention efforts at basic trainings are failing

Similarly to Fort Benning's outbreak, the Marine Corps experienced COVID-19 clusters among recruits who had previously all tested negative for the virus.

https://connectingvets.radio.com/articles/fort-benning-confirms-142-covid-19-cases-in-2-battalions

Properly, the aliens are targeting military assets. /s