COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

[DesertPenguin]

the "prophets" told them about all this

You mean those gold plates with scripture on them that guy found?

the number of complete jackasses in the world is much, much higher than I initially thought.

It's not just COVID, it's Trump. There are the same number of stupid people, they just feel justified in speaking out now.

 

[Brett]

I know we've had some discussion around the secondary effects of COVID-19, the lockdown, and how the virus is generally weighing on people's minds. I haven't really seen a ton of scientific-based evidence of the effects until I came across this today:

Incidence of Stress Cardiomyopathy During the Coronavirus Disease 2019 Pandemic
(Cleveland Clinic)

For those that don't know what stress cardiomyopathy is, it's also called "broken heart syndrome" where the heart muscles become weak under severe physical or mental stress. Researchers through the Cleveland Clinic looked at 1914 patients and found a 7.8% increase in stress cardiomyopathy from February to May. The conclusion of the study is "these findings suggest that psychological, social, and economic stress related to the COVID-19 pandemic was associated with an increased incidence of stress cardiomyopathy."

I don't see where it talks about these patients dying and John Hopkins says the prognosis of cardiomyopathy is typically "excellent", so I assume they are all recovered or currently recovering from the cardiac episode.

My case of stress cardiomyopathy is generally treated with a 4730cc dose of 5-7% ethanol, repeated as necessary.

P.S. I totally buy in to the mental health problems that are coming out of this.

I have treated mine in a similar fashion. I also totally buy into the mental health problems. I was already struggling pre-Rona. The pandemic has not helped.

 

[Dennisch]

I have treated mine in a similar fashion. I also totally buy into the mental health problems. I was already struggling pre-Rona. The pandemic has not helped.

In the early days of Pandemia, the empty streets made my anxiety flare up a bit, not as it used to be but my mental health was noticeably different.

It was gone with a week or 2 but still, 'twas weird.

 

[BobK]

You'd think this is The Onion, but it's not:

Utah group organizes 'flash mobs' at grocery stores to oppose face masks


I did a bit of digging and apparently it's a group of really whacked out Mormons that started all this and think the "prophets" told them about all this. They essentially want to create a small government theocracy in Utah where Mormon values are considered "law".

I mean I know where I live, but honestly, where the hell do I live? If COVID-19 has taught me anything, it's that the number of complete jackasses in the world is much, much higher than I initially thought.

Someone needs to ask these flash mob people why are they trying to kill people.

 

[Biggles]

Meet Chuck Woolery Trump's upcoming appointment to head of the CDC:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...one-is-lying-about-the-coronavirus-2020-07-13

 

[Danoff]

I am very frustrated with how political reopening schools has become. Republicans are pushing for it because "reopen" and democrats are pushing against it seemingly because republicans are pushing for it.

Los Angeles and San Diego have announced online-only classes in the fall. This is a severe restriction that will greatly harm students and parents, the majority of that harm landing on the poorest families. I'd like to understand what Los Angeles and San Diego expect that they're getting for these announcements. Make no mistake, this is a profound failure. Of all of the balls to drop, after cases first started in CA on March 2, school was a terrible one to drop.

So this is based on science right? Not as far as I can tell.

 

[CodeRedR51]

unfortunately, for some people it could mean having to avoid infection for the foreseeable future.

I don't know about anyone else but I would rather be dead at that point...

 

[TheGeologist]

I am very frustrated with how political reopening schools has become. Republicans are pushing for it because "reopen" and democrats are pushing against it seemingly because republicans are pushing for it.

Los Angeles and San Diego have announced online-only classes in the fall. This is a severe restriction that will greatly harm students and parents, the majority of that harm landing on the poorest families. I'd like to understand what Los Angeles and San Diego expect that they're getting for these announcements. Make no mistake, this is a profound failure. Of all of the balls to drop, after cases first started in CA on March 2, school was a terrible one to drop.

So this is based on science right? Not as far as I can tell.

Why do you think this? I feel like schools could be an area of high transmission.

While most kids won't be at serious risk for coronavirus, their teachers and parents will be.

What is a school to do if multiple teachers contract coronavirus? Are enough substitutes available? Will the kids of those classes class have to quarantine for two weeks? What about all the other classes they miss in quarantine? What if that happens more than once to a group of students and they are forced to miss a lot of time? What if several teachers get sick and die? That could be quite traumatic for the students of those classes. Would the schools be able to fill all those vacancies?

 

[Dennisch]

If they can manage to keep the parents away from school property, and the teachers keep their distance from the kids (no hugs etc) school should be able to reopen. They did it here, it worked without rising numbers. Denmark showed a small spike in infections but that was gone soon.

But something tells me that freedom and rights will be envoked to piss all over the applied measures to have kids going back to school.

 

[VBR]

Mandatory face masks for everyone using UK shops or risk a £100 fine? 🤬 off!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Mandatory face masks for everyone using UK shops or risk a £100 fine? 🤬 off!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

How is face mask an attack on essential liberty??

 

[McLaren]

I love people who use a quote that was made in regard to a tax dispute.

WITTES: The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark?

WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

 

[Dennisch]

Man, I have a lot to bitch about when it comes to the politicians in the Hague, but how they've handled this outbreak is something I can only applaud for. Apart from a few special ones, everyone put their shoulders under it and made sure the 'intelligent' lock down would work. And because of that, we have virtually no restrictions anymore.

So weird.

 

[MaxAttack]

Man, I have a lot to bitch about when it comes to the politicians in the Hague, but how they've handled this outbreak is something I can only applaud for. Apart from a few special ones, everyone put their shoulders under it and made sure the 'intelligent' lock down would work. And because of that, we have virtually no restrictions anymore.

So weird.

If I hadn't had such a rural place to retreat to back here, I think I'd have decided to ride this out in Arnhem. From early on the Dutch response always seemed sensible and measured, and I never really saw panic buying at the shops, the occasional person with a decent stock of toilet paper, but nothing nuts.

The situation was so uncertain though and since I was leaving NL anyway, I'm still glad I managed to get out. Worth mentioning again how well Schiphol was handling things. I was only within 2m of someone else for a few minutes at the passport check, everything else had been adjusted.

I think you can put a fair amount of it down to your people, as well as your government. Everyone seemed to be acting pretty responsibly from the getgo.

I'm looking forward to coming back soon and smashing some Hertog Jan.

 

[Famine]

Mandatory face masks for everyone using UK shops or risk a £100 fine? 🤬 off!

Shops are private property and, as such, should be allowed to have their own rules. The government's remit stops at the threshold...

... so really they should be mandatory, and fines levied for breaking the rule, in public spaces.

 

[MaxAttack]

Another positive I can take away from the pandemic - with the hat, round sunglasses and facemask combo, I look pretty stylish. I'm willing to comply purely on the basis of a net gain to my sex appeal.

 

[GTP_Ingram]

Mandatory face masks for everyone using UK shops or risk a £100 fine? 🤬 off!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

There's a much more compelling reason to wear a mask in a shop during a pandemic than there is to pop on some clothes at any time. So does the legal obligation to obey some prudish paradigm about keeping your todger out of sight upset you too?

 

[Danoff]

Why do you think this? I feel like schools could be an area of high transmission.

So far the evidence suggests otherwise.

While most kids won't be at serious risk for coronavirus, their teachers and parents will be.

But not from the kids, at least that's what it looks like so far. Contact tracing isn't finding kids as a significant source, again based on what I know today.

What is a school to do if multiple teachers contract coronavirus? Are enough substitutes available?

Better shut down the school because we might not be able to hold school?

Will the kids of those classes class have to quarantine for two weeks?

Better shut down the school because we might not be able to hold school?

What if that happens more than once to a group of students and they are forced to miss a lot of time? What if several teachers get sick and die? That could be quite traumatic for the students of those classes. Would the schools be able to fill all those vacancies?

Better shut down the school because we might not be able to hold school? Teachers do die sometimes, they get into car accidents, they get sick, and the kids forge ahead.

But... kids can wear masks, and teachers can wear masks. My 7 year old goes to school every day right now, and wears a mask. So far her instructors are not dropping like flies.

 

[Joey D]

Mandatory face masks for everyone using UK shops or risk a £100 fine? 🤬 off!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin, presumably, would've understood rights, so he would've been in favour of masks. If you don't wear a mask out in public, you are potentially violating the rights of others. If you're asymptomatic and not wearing a mask, a simple cough could infect someone that becomes symptomatic. Once symptomatic, that person could very well die or have lifelong health problems due to something you did. That's violating that person's rights and makes you a criminal.

As for fines? As @Famine said, in a public space, absolutely. In a private space like a shop or restaurant, that should be up to the owners.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I don't think @VBR is gonna reply anymore. Look at his signature. "Personal attacks, misrepresentations, or other Logical Fallacies may equal no reply (& possibly a one way trip to my ignore list)."

He gets to make his own rules

 

[Dennisch]

Hertog Jan

Try Dommelsch.

 

[Dotini]

Here's a nifty mystery all are invited to solve:

July 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

Buenos Aires (AFP) - Argentina is trying to solve a medical mystery after 57 sailors were infected with the coronavirus after 35 days at sea, despite the entire crew testing negative before leaving port.

The Echizen Maru fishing trawler returned to port after some of its crew began exhibiting symptoms typical of COVID-19, the health ministry for the southern Tierra del Fuego province said Monday.

According to the ministry, 57 sailors, out of 61 crew members, were diagnosed with the virus after undergoing a new test.

However, all of the crew members had undergone 14 days of mandatory quarantine at a hotel in the city of Ushuaia. Prior to that, they had negative results, the ministry said in a statement.

Two of the other sailors have tested negative, and two others are awaiting test results, the province's emergency operations committee said.

Two sailors were hospitalized.

"It's hard to establish how this crew was infected, considering that for 35 days, they had no contact with dry land and that supplies were only brought in from the port of Ushuaia," said Alejandra Alfaro, the director of primary health care in Tierra del Fuego.

A team was examining "the chronology of symptoms in the crew to establish the chronology of contagion," she said.

The head of the infectious diseases department at Ushuaia Regional Hospital, Leandro Ballatore, said he believed this is a "case that escapes all description in publications, because an incubation period this long has not been described anywhere."

"We cannot yet explain how the symptoms appeared," said Ballatore.

The crew was placed in isolation on board the ship and returned to the port of Ushuaia.

Argentina exceeded 100,000 total cases on Sunday, and the death toll rose to 1,859. The majority of infections are in the Buenos Aires area.

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html

 

[Blitz24]

Here's a nifty mystery all are invited to solve:

July 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

Buenos Aires (AFP) - Argentina is trying to solve a medical mystery after 57 sailors were infected with the coronavirus after 35 days at sea, despite the entire crew testing negative before leaving port.

The Echizen Maru fishing trawler returned to port after some of its crew began exhibiting symptoms typical of COVID-19, the health ministry for the southern Tierra del Fuego province said Monday.

According to the ministry, 57 sailors, out of 61 crew members, were diagnosed with the virus after undergoing a new test.

However, all of the crew members had undergone 14 days of mandatory quarantine at a hotel in the city of Ushuaia. Prior to that, they had negative results, the ministry said in a statement.

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-argentine-sailors-infected-virus-35-days-sea-035702418.html

Virus may not show up on the initial test. Only rational explanation I can think of.

 

[McLaren]

More counties in Texas are requesting morgue trailers. The rate of death in Texas is reportedly increasing.

The rate of deaths in Texas has been accelerating. On July 10, the state surpassed 3,000 deaths — 24 days after 2,000 deaths were reported. It took 53 days to get from the first death to 1,000 deaths and 39 days to get from 1,000 to 2,000 deaths.

 

[Dotini]

Virus may not show up on the initial test. Only rational explanation I can think of.

Okay, so you're saying the virus must have come from within the sailors aboard the ship?

Other possible explanations:
It came from the land already hiding aboard the ship.
It came from the land in the supplies taken aboard.
It came from a fish in the sea.
It came from a bird in the sky.

 

[McLaren]

Okay, so you're saying the virus must have come from within the sailors aboard the ship?

Other possible explanations:
It came from the land already hiding aboard the ship.
It came from the land in the supplies taken aboard.
It came from a fish in the sea.
It came from a bird in the sky.

It's still a novel virus, so there may have been one person as Blitz said, with a long incubation period. Or maybe 1 person had a false negative? Or someone may not have been completely truthful in adhering to protocols?

 

[Joey D]

It came from the land in the supplies taken aboard.

It's likely this. The sailors did have contact by way of supplies. Also, I assume that the supplies came either via boat or helicopter, which means a loadmaster on one of those vessels could've passed the virus as well.

 

[Dotini]

It's still a novel virus, so there may have been one person as Blitz said, with a long incubation period. Or maybe 1 person had a false negative? Or someone may not have been completely truthful in adhering to protocols?

I found this comment below the yahoo article:

The reason why this virus seems to "baffle" scientists is obvious. The adjective "novel" in front of "coronavirus" is a nice way of saying this was a man-made biological weapon that got out, intentionally or unintentionally. No wonder we haven't seen anything quite like it in terms of its ability to spread and the diverse issues it's causing across multiple organ systems: lungs, heart, brain, hematologic. This acts novel cause it is novel. Wake up, this virus greatly disrupting your lives came from Chi Nah who ought to be brought up for crimes against humanity. The CCP knew exactly in December what was going on. They knew not to let their citizens travel across China but permitted them to spread the Wuhan Chinese virus all over the world. So, thank China next time you don your mask to fight Kung Flu

 

[McLaren]

I found this comment below the yahoo article:

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That commentator is an idiot on multiple levels. Leave that garbage back where you found it, please.

Edit* Found that comment. Dude's a racist Trump supporter. Explains it all.

 

[Dotini]

That commentator is an idiot on multiple levels. Leave that garbage back where you found it, please.

Edit* Found that comment. Dude's a racist Trump supporter. Explains it all.

Got it. I like your idea of false negative the best.