COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Seems to fit the far right standard. Pray it all away.
I mean, it really depends on what it is you read.
Most of the coverage I've read has been fairly matter of fact and most articles featured extensive explanations of what the symptoms are and what to do if you where worried you had caught it and what the chances are, what to do if you'd recently travelled to infected areas etc... I'm talking; BBC News, Sky News, The Guardian, The Independent, The FT, Reuters etc... if you look for nonsense you'll find it, as you will with almost anything.
Idk about the media overseas, but here in the US, you definitely dont need to go looking for nonsense, its on every other channel, every other news report and every other internet search. It seems these days it can be pretty exhausting cutting through all the crap trying to find nuggets of truth.
 
The Seattle area now has 4 confirmed cases, one involving an unknown source of transmission and a high school now shut down.
The region is thought to be vulnerable due to many connections to the Asia/Pacific theater and to nearby Vancouver, BC. Oregon and California are also now reporting new cases. Seattle now appears to have test kits which can be processed locally. The CDC test kits have been a great disappointment in both reliability and availability.

Half hour press conference gives good idea of our situation.
 
The mortality rate for any given strain of a virus is an inherently uncertain number - esp. in the early stages of an epidemic/pandemic.

But 'official' figures can only report on confirmed cases - it is well understood that the 'real' number of infections is probably much, much higher. But you seem to be implying that this makes the reported mortality rate figures much higher than they really are, but fail to point out that the official figures are based only on confirmed cases and known deaths. If, as you suspect, there are actually far more cases of infection than have currently been confirmed (as is almost certainly the case), then that means there is very likely far more deaths that can be attributed to the virus as well, but you seem to ignore that second bit in favour of the hypothesis that the media would rather report a higher number because they like fear-mongering.

I would stick to the scientific literature on the subject. The mortality rate of the virus thus far from all known infections and related deaths is estimated to be around 2%, but that percentage varies significantly depending on age and pre-existing health conditions.

The problem is, the media in the US anyway, is reporting the number like it's a fact and also routinely fail to mention the mortality rate is 3.5% among known cases. Yesterday the news was leading with stories that revolved around "the coronavirus death rate continues to rise". While that's certainly true, they didn't explain the why behind it and never mentioned anything about unreported cases. The media seems to be selling the narrative that we mostly know who has the virus when, in fact, we probably only know a small percentage of it. While it's not "fake news", it's certainly sensationalized and conveniently omits parts of the overall story.

I do think the mortality rate is lower than what's being reported. I also think the Chinese figured are grossly underestimated to the tune of hundreds of thousands just due to the fact China is almost never upfront about anything. Known case though almost always seems to be among those who are very sick or at least sick enough that they feel like they need medical attention. My hunch is that there are people who are contracting CoV-19 that aren't sick enough to seek medical attention. I also believe that those not sick enough to seek medical attention probably wouldn't be at risk of dying from the disease or complications. I very well could be wrong in all of this though, I freely admit that, but given the information we currently know I'd rather err on the side of "it's not that bad yet" instead of erring on the side of "we're all going to die, let's panic."
 
I've found CNBC (the business channel) to be a reliable source of news and information for the US at the national level.
Given it's a Canadian channel, thus being more North American centric, this would tend to make sense, especially for someone living in the north of the US, where broadcast channels intermingle. Can't say I saw much CBS while I was in Texas.

Edit: huh. Thought CNBC was Canadian. I stand corrected.
 
Given it's a Canadian channel, thus being more North American centric, this would tend to make sense, especially for someone living in the north of the US, where broadcast channels intermingle. Can't say I saw much CBS while I was in Texas.
CNBC is Canadian? Never in my 58 years did I know of this new Canadian tv channel. Pretty sure it is a NBC affiliate. :lol:
 
I think this article paints a realistic picture of what the end game is likely to look like.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-end-game-look-000023845.html
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- Pandemics come and pandemics go.

In the grip of a new infection spreading around a planet with no natural immunity, it can feel like the sky is falling. Over the coming months, it’s likely that a significant share of the world’s population will experience some of the dread of the Covid-19 coronavirus that people in China have suffered over the past few months. Many will die.

Still, the likely end-point of this outbreak will see it settle down as an endemic disease — one of the suite of respiratory viruses like influenza and the common cold that travel around the world year after year, with most of us regarding them as little more than a nuisance.

The great unknown is what will happen along the way. Doing the sums can produce alarming figures. The best estimates so far suggest that Covid-19 kills about 1% of people it infects. That number may go up somewhat or fall significantly; either way it could add up to a dreadful toll.

If 60% of the world’s population is ultimately infected, as suggested by Gabriel Leung, chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, a 1% fatality rate would kill almost 50 million people — similar to the 1918 Spanish flu. If that falls to 0.1%, it could still be roughly 10 times more fatal than the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak, which killed several hundred thousand in its first year.

A better comparison might be the influenza pandemics that emerged from China in the 1950s and 1960s, according to Benjamin Cowie, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Melbourne — but the differences are still significant. While our health systems are far better than they were 50 years ago, the channels of infection are more open, too.

“We’re in a very different world now, our world is much more interconnected,” he said. “What happens in one place is much more likely to be on the other side of the world in 24 hours.”

Attempts to contain this infection in existing hot spots in Asia, the Middle East and Europe appear to be failing. If that’s the case, expect to see low-level movement restrictions spread elsewhere. Such measures don’t serve so much to eliminate as to slow down a highly contagious infection like Covid-19. Still, that will spread out the burden of sickness over a longer period, putting less pressure on the health system.

The biggest impact is likely to be on the young and old. Children are less able to carry out the basic hygiene and touch-avoidance measures that help slow infections, so school closures like those imposed in Hong Kong and now in Japan could crop up elsewhere.

Aged care homes may see even more serious restrictions. Covid-19 seems to particularly target the elderly and those with other existing conditions. One recent study of more than 72,000 cases in China found a fatality rate of 2.3% across all age groups, rising to 8% for people in their 70s and 15% for people above 80. Minimizing the risks to older people will probably put significant pressure on aged care facilities, especially if staff are infected themselves, or called away to look after children sent home from shuttered schools.

Fortunately, the most severe period of initial infection could soon be fading. Respiratory diseases flourish in the cold season and taper off as the weather warms up. That should cause infection rates to slow in the northern hemisphere, while continuing at a lower level in tropical regions and spiking in temperate parts of the southern hemisphere where winter will be setting in. When a new year rolls around, the bulk of the disease will shift back to the northern hemisphere, to begin the cycle again.

Subsequent Covid-19 seasons probably won’t be as serious. Those who survive viruses should be immune from reinfection (though there have been reports of people being diagnosed with Covid-19 for a second time), and as the share of survivors in the population rises, it gets harder for a disease to spread.

“Most influenza pandemics last two to three years,” said Peter White, a professor of virology at the University of New South Wales. “That’s how long it takes before herd immunity is built up.”

etc.
 
Consumer News & Business Channel
It is owned by the National Broadcasting Corporation (NBC), founded in 1926 by Radio Corporation of America (RCA), whose parent was General Electric (GE).

They boast a potential audience of over 92 million. For and by businessmen, they are scared spitless of Bernie Sanders.

Their regular broadcasting is during pre-business hours, business hours and after-hours.
Weekends its just commercials.
 
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I mean, it really depends on what it is you read.
Most of the coverage I've read has been fairly matter of fact and most articles featured extensive explanations of what the symptoms are and what to do if you where worried you had caught it and what the chances are, what to do if you'd recently travelled to infected areas etc... I'm talking; BBC News, Sky News, The Guardian, The Independent, The FT, Reuters etc... if you look for nonsense you'll find it, as you will with almost anything.
I'm unsure how Sky News is in the UK but here in Australia it's basically like Fox News:




I could go on, but for me any media owned by Rupert Murdoch should be discredited immediately.
 
We now have two new victims, one of whom has passed away. This looks to be the first coronavirus fatality in the US. Details to follow.
 
I could go on, but for me any media owned by Rupert Murdoch should be discredited immediately.

While that argument certainly has its merits I think it’s foolish to overlook the really very good work Sky News (UK) does. Its also easy to discredit almost any/all news network/org due to its owners.
 
Just an example of what our media is pedaling right now.

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Forgive the needless circle and arrow, I got it from someone who posted it on Facebook (I checked it too to make sure it wasn't photoshopped).
 
News:

- Any non-US citizen who has been to Iran in the last 14 days now is denied entry to the US.
- Level 4 travel restrictions are now in place with South Korea and Italy.
- The female who passed away in Washington state was over 50 and had underlying medical conditions. She had no known contact with China, so is a case of community transmission and under intense investigation.
 
News:

- Any non-US citizen who has been to Iran in the last 14 days now is denied entry to the US.
- Level 4 travel restrictions are now in place with South Korea and Italy.
- The female who passed away in Washington state was over 50 and had underlying medical conditions. She had no known contact with China, so is a case of community transmission and under intense investigation.

The actual death rate in the age groups looks much less scary, then what the media want to pump up their ratings with and social media are trying to farm clicks with:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

edit: more then 80% having only mild symptoms:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

To me it is basically an influenza virus that is extremely transmittable.
 
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Just an example of what our media is pedaling right now.

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Forgive the needless circle and arrow, I got it from someone who posted it on Facebook (I checked it too to make sure it wasn't photoshopped).

Now I understand a little bit better why the right is against CNN.

Quality journalism.

Actually, in my experience, Michael Smerconish is one of the most articulate, balanced voices in television commentary. The actual commentary accompanying that odd, I assume somewhat tongue-in-cheek "headline", is entirely reasonable & doesn't make any comparison between Bernie's progress & that of the coronavirus. Taking the still with the text out of context & circulating it on social media is kind of creating a "fake news" angle.
 
Actually, in my experience, Michael Smerconish is one of the most articulate, balanced voices in television commentary. The actual commentary accompanying that odd, I assume somewhat tongue-in-cheek "headline", is entirely reasonable & doesn't make any comparison between Bernie's progress & that of the coronavirus. Taking the still with the text out of context & circulating it on social media is kind of creating a "fake news" angle.

The link to the video of it is in my post. Essentially, it's a story with no real substance and talks about things most people already know and understand. The headline on it is the TV equivalent of click bait.
 
The link to the video of it is in my post. Essentially, it's a story with no real substance and talks about things most people already know and understand. The headline on it is the TV equivalent of click bait.

I think you're wrong. I didn't see the actual broadcast, I did watch the clip in your link. My guess is it was an intro that introduced two subjects: the spread of corona virus & the political implications of that with regard to Trump's presidency &, as a separate subject, the ascendency of Bernie Sanders & whether his momentum was unstoppable. Both those stories have plenty of substance. The headline was a (perhaps ill-advised) attempt to create a catchy headline, but the commentary itself doesn't sensationalize the issues at all. In the end, the headline probably only appeared on screen for 30 seconds - capturing it as a still & broadcasting it on social media attempts to sensationalize it.
 
I think you're wrong. I didn't see the actual broadcast, I did watch the clip in your link. My guess is it was an intro that introduced two subjects: the spread of corona virus & the political implications of that with regard to Trump's presidency &, as a separate subject, the ascendency of Bernie Sanders & whether his momentum was unstoppable. Both those stories have plenty of substance. The headline was a (perhaps ill-advised) attempt to create a catchy headline, but the commentary itself doesn't sensationalize the issues at all. In the end, the headline probably only appeared on screen for 30 seconds - capturing it as a still & broadcasting it on social media attempts to sensationalize it.

I didn't say the commentary sensationalized anything. I said the headline did. The actual commentary was of little substance since it pretty much said the exact same thing that's been being said for weeks now. Anyone paying attention knows Sanders has momentum and that people will blame Trump of CoV-19 ends up bad.

My post was to show the headline and how dumb it was. It's no real secret that CNN isn't pro-Sanders (not as bad as MSNBC) and the headline comes across as a poor attempt to compare Sanders and CoV-19.

Capturing a still is also really the only way to show it tok since I couldn't find the clip on YouTube and couldn't embed it. I figured providing a link in the post would allow for people to watch it if they wanted too.

I know nothing about the commentator in question either. I'd rather get a root canal than watch CNN or Fox News.
 
A state of emergency has been declared in Washington State by the Governor, Jay Inslee.

Ominously, it appears the fatality may have been a patient at a skilled nursing center, and was admitted to hospital together with a worker at the center. OMFG

Note, there is confusion about this story at this very early moment. It is not clear if the fatality was male or female, or if the victim was associated with different cases at the nursing center. This is a breaking story.
King County officials said that additionally, more than 50 people associated with LifeCare were ill with respiratory symptoms or hospitalized with pneumonia or other respiratory conditions of unknown cause and are being tested for COVID-19. Additional positive cases are expected.
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...rus-governor-declares-state-of-emergency.html

https://q13fox.com/2020/02/29/washi...declares-state-of-emergency-over-coronavirus/
 
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