COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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UKMikey
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Sorry to sully this thread with partisan politics again.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rvice-officers-quarantine-covid-b1722604.html
Perhaps the Donald hopes to infect the entire White House detail so there'll be no-one to drag him out of the Oval Office in January?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rvice-officers-quarantine-covid-b1722604.html
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Perhaps the Donald hopes to infect the entire White House detail so there'll be no-one to drag him out of the Oval Office in January?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that... but again, you need to move away from the (false) narrative that the impact of the virus can be measured in deaths alone. As has been pointed out repeatedly, death rates are currently dropping for a number of reasons, but there are many other impacts other than death to consider - but of course, death rates could easily start going in the wrong direction unless we are very careful in how we deal with COVID.
A better metric is the number of people currently in hospital with COVID-19 (a number that is not dependent on testing) and that's currently standing at ca. 13,700 (7-day average), compared to a peak earlier in the year of 19,500 - and a number of around 1,000 just two months ago. Over a certain point, the impacts on everybody could be severe... and we might expect to see a return to increasing excess deaths, as well as increasing disruption associated with COVID-related illness.
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My boss has it right now, but should be on the tail end of it. One of his two daughters had it about a month ago. We had another co-worker's mom test positive right after having lunch with her son. And we have been in the office since May. It has been a delightful time.
EDIT: It has also been great to have a Governor that has tried nothing and is all out of ideas on how to address not spreading COVID.
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All three west coast governors are recommending a 14 day quarantine of interstate travelers for nonessential purposes. I don't think Hawaii is going for this since their economy is mostly tourism and they are dying on the vine. There is talk that a Biden administration would impose a national lockdown, but I doubt that could happen.
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By the time Biden takes office, we should be on our way to being vaccinated or at least people in high-risk groups. Everyone who wants a vaccine probably won't get it until sometime next summer, but I can't see a lockdown going over well if a vaccine exists. If anything, Biden will probably step up vaccine distribution, testing, and contact tracing. Also, I'm not sure the president could legally impose a national lockdown, I don't think they have that authority and it would get challenged in the Supreme Court rather quick.
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Biden has already discounted that idea apparently anyways.
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I seriously doubt that contact tracing works at the level of cases that the US has. The manpower required would be extreme, and the lack of people quarantining or restricting movements would mean that the number of potential contacts would be massive. Also, what you're supposed to do with those contacts is notify them so that they can quarantine or get tested. We've seen how well Americans take to that.
Contact tracing works with low case numbers to prevent them spiraling out of control. I think that horse bolted some time ago.
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This is worrying for us down here in South Oz.
A large family with members working in high-risk medi-hotels, aged care, health care and a major prison has recorded three COVID-19 cases in one day, the worst SA cluster to date.
The cases are the first community transmission in the state since April 15.
Four others in the family are displaying symptoms, while hundreds of people in the northern suburbs have potentially been exposed to the virus. Scores of staff at Lyell McEwin Hospital, where one of the patients was tested, have also been told to quarantine.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/coro...k/news-story/a16f458d34b2d3f664806440b3d53a3e
With what happened in Victoria and how hard it was to get the situation back in control there I think it would be wise for our Chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier to lock Adelaide, or at the very least the northern suburbs, down now without hesitation. If they do this, without waiting for the horse to bolt, we might only be locked down for a couple of weeks. If they don't we only have to look at how long Victoria was locked down for to see what the effects are of being reactive rather than proactive.
And toilet paper has just been added to the shopping list
Edit: Already this cluster has grown to 17.
Edit2: Make that 20. I misread it and it's actually 17 new cases added to the previous 3.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...tralia-s-covid-19-outbreak-grows-to-20_161120
A large family with members working in high-risk medi-hotels, aged care, health care and a major prison has recorded three COVID-19 cases in one day, the worst SA cluster to date.
The cases are the first community transmission in the state since April 15.
Four others in the family are displaying symptoms, while hundreds of people in the northern suburbs have potentially been exposed to the virus. Scores of staff at Lyell McEwin Hospital, where one of the patients was tested, have also been told to quarantine.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/coro...k/news-story/a16f458d34b2d3f664806440b3d53a3e
With what happened in Victoria and how hard it was to get the situation back in control there I think it would be wise for our Chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier to lock Adelaide, or at the very least the northern suburbs, down now without hesitation. If they do this, without waiting for the horse to bolt, we might only be locked down for a couple of weeks. If they don't we only have to look at how long Victoria was locked down for to see what the effects are of being reactive rather than proactive.
And toilet paper has just been added to the shopping list
Edit: Already this cluster has grown to 17.
Edit2: Make that 20. I misread it and it's actually 17 new cases added to the previous 3.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...tralia-s-covid-19-outbreak-grows-to-20_161120
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I'm about to do the opposite, was about to head back to rural Victoria now that I'm done with uni. Sigh...Ffs, I'm about to move from rural Victoria to SA for work at the end of the week. Out of the frying pan into the fire, it sounds like.
Alarm bells are ringing in my head right now, cause I was hanging out with some mates on this weekend and one of them has family members that were in an area where there was a recent outbreak. He's waiting to get tested right now, but the rest of us haven't been able to because all of the testing clinics are absolutely packed. Might have to either self-isolate for a bit, or get up early in the morning and try to get myself tested.
Though on the flip side, it's great to see that people are willing to get tested.
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Sad indeed...
.. but this is what happens when people cannot accept facts and reason over their own (often woefully misguided) beliefs - no amount of reasoning or evidence will convince people like that, and it goes well beyond mere denial - it's a way of thinking that, sadly, is all too common.
From creationism to Trumpism, there is a common theme among a large swathe of people for whom evidence and reason count for nothing, and only that which is held to be true can be true... even when it is demonstrably false. Both also share the common attribute of wishing to be the ultimate arbiters of truth, even though in reality they do nothing to contribute to the truth - in fact, what they really do is the opposite of establishing truth... they seek to foment doubt and discredit the truth in favour of their own version of events.
This is a highly dangerous way of thinking at the best of times, but when someone like Trump is in charge, it is not hard to see why this is a problem facing US healthcare workers right now...
Unfortunately, as this nurse is describing, some people can't believe what is actually happening to them, because it contradicts everything they believe or, perhaps more accurately, have been led to believe by people who have no interest in the truth unless it suits them. And for as long as that remains the case, there will probably be many more people like those unfortunates that this nurse is encountering.
.. but this is what happens when people cannot accept facts and reason over their own (often woefully misguided) beliefs - no amount of reasoning or evidence will convince people like that, and it goes well beyond mere denial - it's a way of thinking that, sadly, is all too common.
From creationism to Trumpism, there is a common theme among a large swathe of people for whom evidence and reason count for nothing, and only that which is held to be true can be true... even when it is demonstrably false. Both also share the common attribute of wishing to be the ultimate arbiters of truth, even though in reality they do nothing to contribute to the truth - in fact, what they really do is the opposite of establishing truth... they seek to foment doubt and discredit the truth in favour of their own version of events.
This is a highly dangerous way of thinking at the best of times, but when someone like Trump is in charge, it is not hard to see why this is a problem facing US healthcare workers right now...
Unfortunately, as this nurse is describing, some people can't believe what is actually happening to them, because it contradicts everything they believe or, perhaps more accurately, have been led to believe by people who have no interest in the truth unless it suits them. And for as long as that remains the case, there will probably be many more people like those unfortunates that this nurse is encountering.
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I can certainly understand the exasperation and frustration. But no, they don't "deserve" it. Nobody deserves to suffer from Covid. But the unfortunate part is, the selfish acts of ignoring the realities and not wearing masks or adequately social distancing, means that hospitals in that area and others are now overwhelmed. This is exactly the scenario we've been trying to prevent from the outset. And a lot of people, regardless of their attitude, can not obtain the proper care as a result. And certainly not the care and experimental steroids or whatever brew the President received.
But it's clear that a lot of people, millions of people, need to be almost "deprogrammed". When you only receive your news from social media and sources with a crazy politicized slant, this is the result, as @Touring Mars suggested.
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Nobody deserves to suffer, but it's hard to have sympathy for people who have brought their suffering on themselves. Particularly when their actions have also put others at risk. No one deserves to die just because they drove drunk, but when they crash it's pretty easy to shrug your shoulders and say "well, we told you so".
I think there's absolutely deep societal problems that this is revealing that need to be addressed - namely, that the cult of individualism has gone too far to the point that people will actively injure their communities and those around them to avoid a minor inconvenience. But there's also personal responsibility, and societal flaws don't excuse grown adults from failing to use basic primary school biology to avoid killing themselves and those around them.
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The big problem is that, like drink drivers, the people who are most likely to suffer from their actions are not the perpetrators.
There is around a 2% chance you'll die from and a 2% chance you'll suffer life-changing physical losses from COVID-19 (well... it's actually nearer to 1%, simply because of the number of undetected cases; we'll never know for sure without blanket testing). Unchecked, you'll pass it on to six other people on average, each of whom has the same chances - higher mortality if they're older, higher risk of long-term injury if younger - which means roughly a 25% chance (or, again on the basis of undetecteds, 12%) you'll kill or seriously injure someone else.
If the idiots only killed themselves, that's worth an "Oh no. Anyway". But they don't, they kill other people.
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The Scottish first minister is set to announce new restrictions for some parts of Scotland today, with Glasgow (Scotland's largest city) expected to go to the highest level of restrictions soon.
This leaves me with something of a dilemma. If, as is widely expected, Glasgow is effectively locked down by the end of this week, do I up sticks and return to my Mum's place in Edinburgh, and stay there until after the New Year i.e. so I can spend the holidays with my family (such as we are allowed to, anyway), or do I stay in Glasgow (which will allow me to keep going to work every day) and hope that the restrictions are lifted in time to allow me to travel home nearer to Christmas?
I was planning to self-isolate for at least a week before returning to my Mum's house because she is in a vulnerable category, so I wouldn't be rushing through anyway, but I may be running the risk of not being able to go through to my Mum's over the Xmas period, and could end up spending the Xmas holidays alone* (well, most of my workmates are going to be stuck in Glasgow too...)
This leaves me with something of a dilemma. If, as is widely expected, Glasgow is effectively locked down by the end of this week, do I up sticks and return to my Mum's place in Edinburgh, and stay there until after the New Year i.e. so I can spend the holidays with my family (such as we are allowed to, anyway), or do I stay in Glasgow (which will allow me to keep going to work every day) and hope that the restrictions are lifted in time to allow me to travel home nearer to Christmas?
I was planning to self-isolate for at least a week before returning to my Mum's house because she is in a vulnerable category, so I wouldn't be rushing through anyway, but I may be running the risk of not being able to go through to my Mum's over the Xmas period, and could end up spending the Xmas holidays alone* (well, most of my workmates are going to be stuck in Glasgow too...)
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Yes and no.
All of the stuff I have to do (teaching/marking etc.) can be done online, so technically I can work from home if I have to.
All of the stuff I want to do (experiments, meeting workmates etc.) will still be allowed under the new restrictions, because my work will stay open.
In other words, I could work from home, but I would prefer not to. I also get a lot more work done when I'm actually in work for some odd reason - I guess there's just too many distractions at home...
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My position would be if you can do it safely, go to your mums. If you don't feel that's possible, stay in Glasgow. I think after the year we've had family is what you need. I still live at home so I'm lucky, but if I was in your shoes I'd want to see my mum for Xmas.
You know the situation better than me though mate so I'm sure you'll make the right decision for you
You know the situation better than me though mate so I'm sure you'll make the right decision for you
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