COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Welp, I went into the office exactly one day before San Francisco locked down again (CA red-tier status) for non-essential office workers. I was absolutely not comfortable with going in, so I'm not mad about it.
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Incidentally, happy birthday, COVID-19!
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I read that covid may have been circulating in Italy as early as September. Happy belated birthday.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...ovid-19-pandemic-europe-date-antibodies-study
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...ovid-19-pandemic-europe-date-antibodies-study
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...And we’ve been locked down for 6 days. Most likely linking to another 8. All non-essential businesses are shut. Masks are mandatory. Announcement was an hour ago and stores are already selling out of food, toilet paper was all gone days ago.
Personally quite happy with the swiftness of the governments reaction. If we can stop it quick enough we may be able to see our families for Christmas. If we mess around, we could end up locked down for months like Victoria, or much worse, with major death tolls like other countries.
Personally quite happy with the swiftness of the governments reaction. If we can stop it quick enough we may be able to see our families for Christmas. If we mess around, we could end up locked down for months like Victoria, or much worse, with major death tolls like other countries.
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Looks like Moderna's vaccine candidate is pretty promising.
Moderna’s Vaccine Efficacy Readout
While being reasonably safe, it also doesn't need sub-zero refrigeration which will be huge for countries that aren't nearly as developed as the western world.
Moderna’s Vaccine Efficacy Readout
While being reasonably safe, it also doesn't need sub-zero refrigeration which will be huge for countries that aren't nearly as developed as the western world.
Dotini
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Actually, lockdowns are illegal, at least in the US. No matter how urgently required or earnestly enjoined by governors. At the end of the day they will not be enforced by police officers and county deputies. I am locking down voluntarily, for the good of myself and my neighbors.
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https://www.americanbar.org/news/ab...l-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/
When I read the executive order by Abbott for Texas, it outlined that the order carried the weight of law.
Therefore, I don't believe your claim at all & will wait until another member elaborates or corrects me.
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Dotini
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You should probably believe in your governor and take what he says seriously. You and everyone else who scoffs lockdown are a danger to one and all.
But - at the end of the day - we have a constitution and bill of rights. Dunno about your local cops. But here officers and sheriffs will not enforce every jot and tittle of lockdown as adumbrated by our genius governor Inslee. And they say so.
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Joey D
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Lockdowns may or may not be legal and ever experts on Constitutional Law disagree. Really, it's largely going to be up to the states to determine if a lockdown is appropriate and what can and cannot be open. If someone feels a right is being violated, then they can challenge it in court. Most states seem to understand this too which is why you see weird things still open while other things closed. For example, when we had our stay at home order here in Utah, gun stores could remain open because our government saw it as a 2nd Amendment violation to close them. It's also why the government couldn't tell people who were protesting police brutality to go home, since that would be denying a 1st Amendment right.
There's also precedence from the Supreme Court regarding lockdowns in health emergencies too as @McLaren pointed out. Another such case is Jacobson v. Massachusetts dating back to 1905.
Also, on what planet do you think @McLaren is against lockdowns? He was just pointing out your incorrect statement.
If you're questioning that, then you should refer to @Touring Mars message in post number one of this thread that says don't spread misinformation or unverified claims.
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I reckon the legality of lockdowns is somewhat moot if a) enough people ignore the law and b) there is not enough resources or will to enforce the law rigorously.
Containing the virus without a vaccine can be done in different ways, ranging from draconian laws that are fully enforced and backed up with severe punishment to relying on the co-operation of the people. The latter requires the co-operation of a competent government, and public and private services. We need mass testing, we need effective track and trace, but most of all, we need people to do what is required to contain the virus - and we either do it by choice, or we are forced to do it.
Unfortunately, public co-operation is all too easily undermined by those who seek to spread disinformation, people who either don't understand or don't accept the risks, and people who deliberately downplay the risks because it benefits them to do so.
Free nations were always going to face the fact that laws and enforcement of those laws is not the principle route they can take to keep the virus under control, but rather it is convincing people of the need to follow guidance (as well as new/temporary laws) that is the main weapon at our disposal.
This being the case, it is not surprising that the US in particular is struggling, and it doesn't help to have leaders (at various levels, but esp. the President himself) continually downplay the risks and actively encourage people to ignore guidance on how to avoid transmission.
What I find hard to fathom, however, is just how much of a problem is it for so many people to accept even the most simple guidance, supposedly in the name of respecting their rights... ironically, the more people who ignore a polite request (for example, that people should wear masks), the more likely it becomes that such requests will eventually become legal requirements. But when that is a virtual impossibility, then you will inevitably end up in the worst of all outcomes, which is uncontrolled transmission, and the maximum possible excess death numbers.
Containing the virus without a vaccine can be done in different ways, ranging from draconian laws that are fully enforced and backed up with severe punishment to relying on the co-operation of the people. The latter requires the co-operation of a competent government, and public and private services. We need mass testing, we need effective track and trace, but most of all, we need people to do what is required to contain the virus - and we either do it by choice, or we are forced to do it.
Unfortunately, public co-operation is all too easily undermined by those who seek to spread disinformation, people who either don't understand or don't accept the risks, and people who deliberately downplay the risks because it benefits them to do so.
Free nations were always going to face the fact that laws and enforcement of those laws is not the principle route they can take to keep the virus under control, but rather it is convincing people of the need to follow guidance (as well as new/temporary laws) that is the main weapon at our disposal.
This being the case, it is not surprising that the US in particular is struggling, and it doesn't help to have leaders (at various levels, but esp. the President himself) continually downplay the risks and actively encourage people to ignore guidance on how to avoid transmission.
What I find hard to fathom, however, is just how much of a problem is it for so many people to accept even the most simple guidance, supposedly in the name of respecting their rights... ironically, the more people who ignore a polite request (for example, that people should wear masks), the more likely it becomes that such requests will eventually become legal requirements. But when that is a virtual impossibility, then you will inevitably end up in the worst of all outcomes, which is uncontrolled transmission, and the maximum possible excess death numbers.
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With Cuomo starting to apply more restrictions again and hinting at lockdowns, and the local news reporting on recent COVID highs in New York I decided to do some digging into the data provided per NY DOH (https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/). There's some interesting observations to be made. For one thing the recent increase here in positive cases seems to be proportional to some degree with the massively increased test rates statewide, with the present positives seemingly in line with summer rates and well below proportionality at peak. This would indicate to some degree that further locking down the state as whole would likely not be necessary unless there was a sharp increase and that stricter measures may be best applied for places of individual spikes. Something that I also wonder would be if the proportionality of positive rates from peak could be applied to the number of tests being done now and if that would indicate that the total positives from peak were much higher than what was observed, which would make present rates less cause for panic. That being said when filtering through individual counties it's different. Albany has seen it's highest positives in one day so far in the past week but it's within the proportional increase. What is cause for concern though as is the case with a lot of places outside the NYC metropolitan area is that when the first wave hit there was not a spike in cases in these places, which leaves cause to wonder if a sharper increase could be seen in these areas going into the winter since it can be inferred that the virus wasn't spreading as much in these areas relative to NYC. Either case if you live in the states I recommend seeing if your DOH has the data or finding a place where the data is available, as it's important to know what the present state of your area is and it's essential to use this data when it comes to deciding what risks are deemed acceptable.
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Glad I got a 12 pack of double roll TP the other day. Racks were pretty empty at the time. Should last me a while so I can ride out the hoarders taking everything again for absolutely no reason.
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I ordered a pack on Amazon on monday since the Costco I was at was empty and I didn't feel like driving around. I just checked again today and most of the packs now show as temporarily out of stock.
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By pure accident, the last time my wife went to BJ's, she thought we needed more TP. But it was actually paper towels we were short of. (It's a standing joke that we're always either overstocked of one and running short of the other or vice versa). Needless to say, we still had plenty of TP. At this point, we probably have a 6 month supply. And I probably feel more relieved about that than I should.
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We'll (Victoria) be watching with interest as the outbreak is very similar. Hotel quarantine with staff taking it home to family and the spread from there.
It will be interesting to see if the harder up front restrictions nips it in the bud much quicker than the more scaled restrictions we endured. Hopefully for you guys it works will and you have minimum hardship to endure compared to some Victorians.
On a personal front I wasn't affected to badly as I'm regional but work in Melbourne. My work was considered essential so just worked through the whole thing and surprisingly with around 250 people at my workplace nobody caught Covid.
My worst experience of the whole scenario was the checkpoint on the highway going home which after two days we just circumnavigated anyway. That and some of the local shops being closed was the only negatives on a personal front.
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What?
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