COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Keef
Wright-Patt doesn't seem to think it's not a conspiracy theory.
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I respect the intelligence community. I respect their expertise and concerns. There may be extremely good grounds for concerns in several areas. But there is a protocol for dealing such concerns, and I respectfully submit this thread is not currently the place for them. If yours truly were to start spouting off on bioweapons in the coronavirus thread, I would expect to receive an infraction.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
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We already know China is not above population control. They're also not above ignoring law - they actively go out of their way to circumvent American employee protections and an example is right down the street here in Dayton. To your point, China's age demographics actually do pose a considerable economic problem in the coming decades, and their leadership seems willing to, eh, deal with it, considering their rather aggressive and utilitarian international policies over the past many years. They've already placed half of Africa into indentured servitude, stolen property from every country in the South China Sea, built crumbling cities with the debt of other nations for people who don't exist, etc. What's a few small workforce corrections to them?

EDIT: I guess I'll look for the the appropriate thread on the disease this thread is about.
 
My wife every now and then (last week) attends high level meetings with a certain Billionaire responsible (partially) for the operating system that helped launch the personal computer (yeah that's not a very obvious clue or anything). So when she told me of a conspiracy theory she heard that this 'individual' is responsible for the COVID-19 outbreak, I got a pretty good belly chuckle from that one. It complete neGates logic.. like people who wear their baseball cap with the 'Bill' pointed backwards.

I had an image of this 'famous billionaire' dressed up as Dr. Evil sitting in his underground lair with his pinky touching the corner of his mouth, made me laugh.
 
Aww, nurts...that 'not' isn't supposed to be there. Was originally going to say 'not merely' but changed it at the last second.
 
Touring Mars
Science: This virus may not be that bad for most people, but the elderly are definitely much more at risk than others...
UK Government: *inhales smoke* I know, let's get retired doctors to help out with this thing!!2!
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I mean it's better than the anti-science guy who's ineptitude caused a massive HIV outbreak in Indiana heading up our CoV-19 defense. I'd rather have doctors, even retired ones that are right in the age range that is currently experiencing the highest mortality rate.

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I hit up Wal-Mart today because I needed some formula for my little dude. They were completely sold out, like every single can of formula was gone from the shelves. They didn't have hand soap either nor did they have bath roomer cleaner that I needed. I asked of the stockers and they just laughed. They told me yesterday they had to have security break up numerous fights over water and toilet paper, which seemed weird. I get the toilet paper because being caught short is a terrible thing, but water? Do people think the water is going to suddenly stop working? Even if CoV-19 is spreadable through water, you could just boil tap water if need be.

Also, the price they were charging for water was absurd. Typically you get a case of water for like $3-$4, but they had raised the price to $10 for one case of Wal-Mart brand water. Like seriously? Gatorade was double the normal price too, as was Coke and Pepsi products. One 2L of Diet Coke was a whopping $2.99 when they're typical $.79.

This just reaffirmed my belief that there's a hysteria right now and I'm afraid it's going to get worse before it gets better. It won't be long before people resort to serious violence because someone bought the last case of water. No one should get shot for water or toilet paper.
 
Joey D
Also, the price they were charging for water was absurd. Typically you get a case of water for like $3-$4, but they had raised the price to $10 for one case of Wal-Mart brand water.
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I didn't even think to check prices of stuff I wasn't buying when I went shopping the other day, but your post makes me happy I just do those 5 gallon refillable jugs that cost less than $2 to fill (my apartment has crappy water).

Dennisch
Say what now? You can buy 2 liters for half the price of what we pay for half a liter?
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It's the same way here, 20oz (.59 liters) bottles are usually around $2.
 
Dennisch
Say what now? You can buy 2 liters for half the price of what we pay for half a liter?
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That's always been the funny thing about pop. 2l's are generally $.99 while a 20oz is a $1.50. Makes no sense.
 
Joey D
I mean it's better than the anti-science guy who's ineptitude caused a massive HIV outbreak in Indiana heading up our CoV-19 defense. I'd rather have doctors, even retired ones that are right in the age range that is currently experiencing the highest mortality rate.

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I hit up Wal-Mart today because I needed some formula for my little dude. They were completely sold out, like every single can of formula was gone from the shelves. They didn't have hand soap either nor did they have bath roomer cleaner that I needed. I asked of the stockers and they just laughed. They told me yesterday they had to have security break up numerous fights over water and toilet paper, which seemed weird. I get the toilet paper because being caught short is a terrible thing, but water? Do people think the water is going to suddenly stop working? Even if CoV-19 is spreadable through water, you could just boil tap water if need be.

Also, the price they were charging for water was absurd. Typically you get a case of water for like $3-$4, but they had raised the price to $10 for one case of Wal-Mart brand water. Like seriously? Gatorade was double the normal price too, as was Coke and Pepsi products. One 2L of Diet Coke was a whopping $2.99 when they're typical $.79.

This just reaffirmed my belief that there's a hysteria right now and I'm afraid it's going to get worse before it gets better. It won't be long before people resort to serious violence because someone bought the last case of water. No one should get shot for water or toilet paper.
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Go buy bleach it works wonders.
 
Coronavirus: just eight out of 1,600 doctors in poll say NHS is ready
Doctors raise concern over already high demand and lack of resources in health service

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-out-of-1600-doctors-in-poll-say-nhs-is-ready

More than 99% of 1,618 NHS medics questioned appear not to agree with the assurances given by Boris Johnson that the service will cope if it is hit by a surge in the number of people falling ill.

Doctors are worried that the NHS is already stretched and under heavy pressure, and especially that it has too few intensive care beds and that GP surgeries are struggling to meet patient demand.
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PeterJB
Saw a news headline that it's predicted that 10% of the UK will end up hospitalised and 70% infected. I'm don't even think that happened during the Black Death so I think not...
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The Black Death killed 25% of the population at a time when the vast majority of people lived in the countryside to support the farming economy, lived and died where they where born and commuting wasn't a thing.

Now most people live in cities. And commute, and work with other people, who have children, who go to school with other children. So no. You thinking not falls a bit short.
 
The UK Government has announced its 'action plan' in the event of a coronavirus outbreak.

Some new points that haven't been mentioned before - most of this is their 'worst-case scenario' plans:
- the worst-case scenario could see 20% of the population off sick at any one time...
- police would no longer investigate 'low-level' crime
- the army is on stand-by to keep public order
- non-essential operations and NHS treatment would be postponed

It is quite a relief, however, that the UK Government are basing their entire response plan around the current scientific evidence and advice.
 
Tired Tyres
The Black Death killed 25% of the population at a time when the vast majority of people lived in the countryside to support the farming economy, lived and died where they where born and commuting wasn't a thing.

Now most people live in cities. And commute, and work with other people, who have children, who go to school with other children. So no. You thinking not falls a bit short.
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Yeah, back when they had litterally no idea what an infection was. Most people thought god was smiting them for society acting too uncouth. The rest thought it was transmitted through smelling bad air. All waste was dumped in the streets, and people drank from the same water-flows that they dumped their sewage into.

The black death wouldnt stand a chance today. We know that because people still get infected with it every so often and its quelled almost immediately.
 
Aphelion
Yeah, back when they had litterally no idea what an infection was. Most people thought god was smiting them for society acting too uncouth. The rest thought it was transmitted through smelling bad air. All waste was dumped in the streets, and people drank from the same water-flows that they dumped their sewage into.

The black death wouldnt stand a chance today. We know that because people still get infected with it every so often and its quelled almost immediately.
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I was referring to the way these things spread. And no. Washing your hands with most available products isn't going to help.
 
Tired Tyres
Good luck with that biological soap with a virus.
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Washing your hands thoroughly with any soap will reduce the amount of virus on your hands - should you come into contact with an infected surface, for example. Soap will not deactivate the virus of course, but it can reduce the amount of it on your hands and therefore reduce the likelihood of uptake of the virus into your body from your hands.
 
Tired Tyres
Good luck with that biological soap with a virus.
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Soap doesn't kill a virus, it simply removes most of it from your skin. Alcohol-based hand sanitizer, assuming it's at least 60% alcohol makes microbes inert. None of it is 100% effective, but it's certainly better than not doing it at all. The problem is most people have no idea how to wash their hands. Go into any bathroom and you'll quickly see this. Simply putting a dab of soap on your hands and rubbing them together for a few seconds does very little. You need to wash both sides of your hands, between your fingers, and do it for at least 30 seconds. With hand sanitizer, you need to use enough of it (it varies by brand) and let it completely dry for it to have the maximum effect.

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I found this article pretty interesting as I read through my Google News Feed this morning. It goes along with my thought that the mortality rate for CoV-19 is lower than is being reported and gives reasons why. It also says what I was trying to say, but it's a more cohesive thought and better articulate than I put it.

https://www.cato.org/blog/misleading-arithmetic-covid-19-death-rates

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Trump is also calling for a better flu shot due to the CoV-19 outbreak. While he is a misguided here and how he said it is a bit boneheaded, his point is fairly valid. However, I get it's hard to predict what flu strain will be prevalent in a given year but I do think more research is needed to increase the accuracy. Also, assuming CoV-19 will mutate over time, research needs to start figuring out if we need to make a vaccine to combat against several strains of the virus.
 
Joey D
I found this article pretty interesting as I read through my Google News Feed this morning. It goes along with my thought that the mortality rate for CoV-19 is lower than is being reported and gives reasons why. It also says what I was trying to say, but it's a more cohesive thought and better articulate than I put it.

https://www.cato.org/blog/misleading-arithmetic-covid-19-death-rates
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There are a lot of reasons (and these are definitely some of them) to think that the death rates in the US will not be higher or equal to what is reported in China. Somehow we know about tons of flu cases that are not hospitalizations or severe. I'm not sure how we know that.... but it seems like we'd also know it about COVID-19.
 
4 new cases in Toronto Canada. Total cases is now 20. The last 4 seem to have been to Iran and Egypt.
 
Spain has recorded its first COVID-19 death today. However... the man actually died three weeks ago (before any cases of SARS-CoV-2 infections were recorded in Spain, and possibly even the whole of Europe) but post-mortem tests have shown that he died from the virus (I presume that means he tested positive and died from pneumonia, but I don't know exactly how they can be so sure...). Still, that might tells us something about the prospects for containing this virus...

Edit: there is also some evidence to suggest that the virus has been present in Italy for weeks before the first case was detected.
 
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The counts of cases and deaths is all over the place. I expect that the number of recorded case in the US will explode in the next week or so as the states are able to conduct testing themselves. I heard a report that as of the weekend, more people had been tested in Vancouver than the whole of the US.
 
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R1600Turbo
Bulk discount. Buy more, pay less.
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I mean, it might make sense if it flowed normal bulk rates. Ie, one 20oz is 1.50, two is 2.75 3 is 4 etc. But bulk rates dont generally go one 20oz for 1.50, two for 99 cents....
 
One nice thing about COVID-19 is that it's forcing companies to reconsider work-from-home programs. I'm hearing under-the-table reports of at least one large institution (which shall remain nameless for now) getting their feet moving on telework.

Telework was already taking off, it just got a giant shove in the right direction.
 
I can get just as much (if not more) accomplished working from home. In fact it almost seems like a good luck charm, I've closed some of my largest deals when I was working remotely,
 

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